Jehovah's Witnesses are just Unique and different. True religion indeed!

rezzy:

yes, why wont i believe you? But the percentage is so low, exremely low.

You are just a prophet of doom. I have not even started telling you but you have already decided that they are few.

Well, let me leave you to your envy.

All Catholic priests are sinners.

Only you is without sin.

Happy?

italo:

You are just a prophet of doom.

Na witch dey no witch. Anyway, same to you.

italo: I have not even started telling you but you have already decided that they are few.

Well, let me leave you to your envy.

why should i be envious of people that dont have anything to offer?

italo: All Catholic priests are sinners.

Only you is without sin.

Happy?

You have said so with your mouth. Itsokay. Thank you.

All you penticos sayin stayin faithful to a Church teaching wont lead one to Heaven..Do you guys have any idea that there are 7 sacraments observe by the catholic church which includes Baptism,Holy communion,Penance,Confirmation,Annoiting of the sick,Holy order and Holy matrimony and observin this sacraments is like a path way to making Heaven...so,seriously these days i get tired of these penticos folks..i remain a catholic because attending a mass is just so different from any of these penticos service..im just so proud to be a catholic

delejames: All you penticos sayin stayin faithful to a Church teaching wont lead one to Heaven..Do you guys have any idea that there are 7 sacraments observe by the catholic church which includes Baptism,Holy communion,Penance,Confirmation,Annoiting of the sick,Holy order and Holy matrimony and observin this sacraments is like a path way to making Heaven...so,seriously these days i get tired of these penticos folks..i remain a catholic because attending a mass is just so different from any of these penticos service..im just so proud to be a catholic

Yes, the best one can be as far as christianity is concerned is to be Catholic.

Sal C: Yes, the best one can be as far as christianity is concerned is to be Catholic.

The irony of this statement is that most catholic beliefs and practises are unbiblical false man made doctrines and you catholics know this.

italo:

It is a lie. No Catholic will pretend or tell you that the Catholic Church is perfect. The Church is only led by the perfect Holy Spirit.

And..to clarify: we dont believe in "churches." We believe there is only one Church.

I beg you, quit the hating...for the good of your soul.

Na wa ooh. ''U dnt believe in Churches, u only believe in one Church''.
Interestn, so u mean God is not evident in other churches..only in d Catholic Church?.
Did God not use diff people 2 proclaim His word. I.e Moses,Paul,Ezekiel etc. Why should God only be in ur church....He is nt a One-way GOD

U indeed av a shallow way of thinking.
U beta beg God for 4giveness...cos u r bin SEELF-RIGHTEOUS. nd its a SIN.

[quote author=uzoexcel]

You have the Bible, the internet and so many other thnz to clear ur misgivings.Listen and listen carefully before i flog u with cane,lol.

The first half of the Hail Mary is contained in Luke 1. The Hail Mary is broken up into two parts: “Who Mary is” (no 1-5) and “Our prayer to Mary.” (no 5-6) Below the Hail Mary is examined line by line:

1)HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE (Luke 1:28): The Angel Gabriel greets Mary with very respectful greeting used for royalty. The text doesn’t say “Mary” after Hail but it is implied. Gabriel then proclaims Mary full of Grace (full of God’s own life and love).

2)THE LORD IS WITH YOU (Luke 1:28): This is word for word. The Angel Gabriel said that the Lord is with Mary, she is full of his Grace, his own life.
3) BLESSED ARE YOU AMONGST WOMEN (Luke 1:41): Elizabeth is filled with the Holy Spirit; she is inspired by the 3rd person of the Blessed Trinity to proclaim that Mary is the most blessed among all women.

4) AND BLESSED IS THY FRUIT OF THY WOMB JESUS (Luke 1:42):Elizabeth still inspired by the Holy Spirit proclaims that the fruit of Mary’s womb, the developing Jesus, is blessed. The text doesn’t say “Jesus” after womb, but it is implied, the fruit of her womb is Jesus.

5) HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD (Luke 1:43..And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?):Mary is full of God’s grace; this would make her holy. Mary is the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ who is the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity. Since Jesus is God this makes her the mother of God. She is the mother of the God-Man Jesus, not the mother of the Trinity.

6) PRAY FOR US SINNERS, NOW AND THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH (James 5:16...Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects) : St. James tells Christians to pray for one another. All the baptized are members of the body of Christ (1Cor 12:12-14), therefore it is right to pray for other members of the body. James goes on to say that the prayers of the righteous have great power. What human (other then Jesus) is more righteous then the Blessed Mother? Though she is in heaven she still hears the prayers of her children on Earth and intercedes for them.
***Any Catholic here thatz more enlightened can add to the above. I think it will enlighten everyone here and clear doubts from some people.We can open a thread on this topic if possible
http://blessedjp2.com/totus-tuus/where-is-the-hail-mary-in-the-bible/

FOLYKAZE: I dont have any business anymore. I went to church because of the chick I eyed in my street....when I found out that she is not accepting my proposal, I leave the church.

Hot christian chicks are out there.......I got myself one.....mission accomplised........soldier retreat from church

Its your type christian ladies fast and pray to avoid

Pastor Kun:

The irony of this statement is that most catholic beliefs and practises are unbiblical false man made doctrines and you catholics know this.

Irony ke.

If at all know why the bible was compiled you won't write the above.

Sola Scriptura is not biblical.

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Pastor Kun:
The irony of this statement is that most catholic beliefs and practises are unbiblical false man made doctrines and you catholics know this.

What do you mean by "unbiblical?"

And which Catholic belief falls in that category?

Dainty-tee:

Na wa ooh. ''U dnt believe in Churches, u only believe in one Church''.
Interestn, so u mean God is not evident in other churches..only in d Catholic Church?.
Did God not use diff people 2 proclaim His word. I.e Moses,Paul,Ezekiel etc. Why should God only be in ur church....He is nt a One-way GOD

U indeed av a shallow way of thinking.
U beta beg God for 4giveness...cos u r bin SEELF-RIGHTEOUS. nd its a SIN.

I dont know how you people decide to make up your own statement and start arguing against it. You are the one who said God is only in the Catholic Church, not me.

God is indeed everywhere e.g schools, homes, barrack, fellowships etc. God is even with all people e.g Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists etc...but that does not make all these people and/or places the ONE Church that Jesus founded.

Sorry if it hurts you...but there is only one Church that was founded by Christ 2000 years ago.

italo:

I dont know how you people decide to make up your own statement and start arguing against it. You are the one who said God is only in the Catholic Church, not me.

God is indeed everywhere e.g schools, homes, barrack, fellowships etc. God is even with all people e.g Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists etc...but that does not make all these people and/or places the ONE Church that Jesus founded.

Sorry if it hurts you...but there is only one Church that was founded by Christ 2000 years ago.

there is only one church. the rest are ministries

italo:

I dont know how you people decide to make up your own statement and start arguing against it. You are the one who said God is only in the Catholic Church, not me.

God is indeed everywhere e.g schools, homes, barrack, fellowships etc. God is even with all people e.g Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists etc...but that does not make all these people and/or places the ONE Church that Jesus founded.

Sorry if it hurts you...but there is only one Church that was founded by Christ 2000 years ago.

Unfortunately the church founded bt christ was not into idol or Mary worship as is done in the RCC today. It's also a fallacy that the RCC is two thousand years old or was started by the apostles. The rcc as an institution did not metaphorse until the fourth century AD and by then it had been polluted with a lot of false doctrines such as trinity and the deification of Mary to appease the fantasies of pagan converts. It also remains a fact that there were at least six churches founded by the apostles that survive to this day namely Greek orthodox, syrian, Coptic, ethopian that pre dated the RCC so stop lying to give the impression that the RCC was the first established church. The luck that the RCc had was that it was able to ride on the back of the roman empire to spread across europe to become the dominant denomination today.

italo:

I dont know how you people decide to make up your own statement and start arguing against it. You are the one who said God is only in the Catholic Church, not me.

God is indeed everywhere e.g schools, homes, barrack, fellowships etc. God is even with all people e.g Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists etc...but that does not make all these people and/or places the ONE Church that Jesus founded.

Sorry if it hurts you...but there is only one Church that was founded by Christ 2000 years ago.

Unfortunately the church founded bt christ was not into idol or Mary worship as is done in the RCC today. It's also a fallacy that the RCC is two thousand years old or was started by the apostles. The rcc as an institution did not metaphorse until the fourth century AD and by then it had been polluted with a lot of false doctrines such as trinity and the deification of Mary to appease the fantasies of pagan converts. It also remains a fact that there were at least six churches founded by the apostles that survive to this day namely Greek orthodox, syrian, Coptic, ethopian that pre dated the RCC so stop lying to give the impression that the RCC was the first established church. The luck that the RCc had was that it was able to ride on the back of the roman empire to spread across europe to become the dominant denomination today.

Pastor Kun:

Unfortunately the church founded bt christ was not into idol or Mary worship as is done in the RCC today. It's also a fallacy that the RCC is two thousand years old or was started by the apostles. The rcc as an institution did not metaphorse until the fourth century AD and by then it had been polluted with a lot of false doctrines such as trinity and the deification of Mary to appease the fantasies of pagan converts. It also remains a fact that there were at least six churches founded by the apostles that survive to this day namely Greek orthodox, syrian, Coptic, ethopian that pre dated the RCC so stop lying to give the impression that the RCC was the first established church. The luck that the RCc had was that it was able to ride on the back of the roman empire to spread across europe to become the dominant denomination today.

Tell us when all these Churches were founded with reliable source.

Then, we'll see which pre-dates which.

JUST SAW THIS ON FB n THOUGHT I SHOULD SHARE.


Should Catholics Go to Non-Denominational Bible Studies?

Every day, Catholics are invited by coworkers, neighbors, and even family members to "ecumenical" Bible studies. Should they go? Certainly all of us would benefit from more study of Scripture, but as someone who has been a part of a number of Protestant Bible studies—I’ve even taught them—I discourage Catholics from attending them because of the foundational premises and principles in operation at these studies.

Protestants are delighted to have Catholics attend their Bible studies, but it is often not because they want to hear and discuss the Catholic perspective on Scritpure. Instead, they see it as an opportunity to bring them to the "true Gospel"—to evangelize them, to get them saved. In many cases, though certainly not all, the non-denominational Bible study is the Trojan Horse that infiltrates the Catholic’s mind and succeeds in drawing him away from the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church—to join a Protestant group. Most of us have a family member or friend who has been affected in this way.

An unwary Catholic who steps into the Protestant Bible study usually does so with no intention of leaving the Catholic Church. They just want to study the Bible. The Catholic usually has a hard time finding a good and welcoming Bible study in Catholic circles—but this is changing.

First, while the Bible study may call itself "non-denominational," Catholics and Orthodox are not usually included under this umbrella. While they may be invited, you’ll rarely find them in leadership.

Protestants think of themselves as people of the Book, not hampered by human tradition. They think of Catholics as, at best, followers of traditions for whom the Bible is secondary. That is a huge misconception: Protestants are also people of tradition. No one reads the Bible objectively. People who claim to "just read the Bible" really read it through the eyes of a tradition they’ve already accepted, whether that be Fundamentalist, Calvinist, Pentecostal, Baptist or one of many others. Everyone depends upon tradition, but not everyone recognizes it.

"Bible Christians," based on their tradition, study the Bible with these premises:

There is no binding authority but the Bible alone.
There is no official binding interpretation or interpreter.
The Bible is perspicuous (i.e., easy to understand) and can be interpreted and understood by anyone.
An individual can and should read the Bible and interpret it for himself.

Catholics, based on their Tradition, study the Bible with different premises:

The authority of the apostles and the Church preceded the Bible, and the Tradition of the Church is an equally infallible authority (2 Thess. 2:15; CCC 80–83). The Bible is part of the apostolic Tradition.
The authoritative interpretation of the Bible is the prerogative of the Catholic Church (1 Tim. 3:15; Matt. 18:17; CCC 85-88).
The Bible is not always easy to understand (2 Pet. 3:15-16) and needs to be understood within its historical and contextual framework and interpreted within the community to which it belongs.
Individuals can and should read the Bible and interpret it for themselves—but within the framework of the Church’s authoritative teaching and not based on their own private interpretation (2 Pet 1:20-21).

These basic differences place the Catholic and Protestant worlds apart even though they are opening the pages of the same book and accepting it as an authoritative revelation from God. The Catholic position is biblical and has been espoused from the first days of the Church. The Protestant position is unbiblical and is of recent origin. The Catholic is in full continuity with historical Christianity; Protestants are in discontinuity.

Catholics attending a non-denominational Bible study need to be aware of these differences and be ready not only to filter out false conclusions but also to guard themselves against the false underlying assumptions (e.g., that everything has to be found and proven explicitly in the Bible).

Catholics who are unaware often begin to adopt a Protestant mentality without knowing they are doing so, gradually learning to suspect the Catholic Church and trying to prove everything from the Bible.

Let’s Take Just One Example: Baptism

But what difference do these premises make? Let’s take the example of 1 Peter 3:18-21:

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Notice the words in italics. What does it say? To Catholics it makes perfect sense because Christians have always taught (until the Reformation) that baptism is essential for salvation. As Catholics, we can draw from a wealth of other biblical and patristic passages that consistently and continuously teach a seamless garment of doctrine—the constant teaching of the Church, of all Christians.

A few examples:

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

This has always been understood to mean water baptism, until descendants of the Reformation denied it and came up with new interpretations, such as that the water refers to the water in the womb, the word of God, or even a synonym for the Spirit (as in "water, even the Spirit". There is no consensus among Protestants.

Other examples are Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16. The first says, "And Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’"

The second one says, "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name."

These verses agree with the words of Jesus, Titus 3:5, and the rest of the New Testament about the necessity and importance of baptism. But many Evangelicals will offer in reply a list of verses that say salvation is by faith (e.g., John 3:16) and argue that since he can find twenty-five verses that say salvation is by faith, it can’t be by baptism.

Can we cut two verses out of the Bible because we find ten others that seem to contradict? Heavens, no! We have to find a way to explain and accept both and harmonize them into a cogent theology. That is what Catholics have been doing well for two millenia.

One of the great reliefs for me as a Catholic was to read the Bible without having to set aside verses that didn’t agree with my preconceived assumptions. Catholics do not have this problem.

A Figure of a Figure? Go Figure.

Now, back to 1 Peter 3:18-21. Protestant commentaries on Scripture admit it is one of the most difficult passages of the Bible to interpret. Here is a quote from my book Crossing the Tiber:

In his recent anti-Catholic book The Gospel according to Rome, James McCarthy says that "when Peter says that ‘baptism now saves you,’ he is speaking of the typological, or symbolic, significance of baptism. . . . It [the word figure] tells us that what follows, ‘baptism now saves you,’ is a figurative illustration that complements the symbolism of a preceding figure" (331-332). It seems he is saying that baptism is a figure of a figure instead of the fulfillment of a figure. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature offers a different and more straightforward interpretation: "Baptism, which is a fulfillment (of the type), now saves you, i.e., the saving of Noah from the flood is a . . . ‘foreshadowing’ and baptism corresponds to it [fulfills it]" (75). McCarthy does go on to say: "This verse is part of one of the most difficult passages in the New Testament to interpret. Nevertheless, this much is clear: it does not support the Roman Catholic doctrine" (331-332). (Crossing the Tiber, p. 130, note 56)

The Catholic interpretation explains the passage quite comfortably without twisting the text from its clear meaning, accepting the literal meaning of the text, and complementing the rest of New Testament teaching. It is difficult for McCarthy to interpret because he comes to the passage with a handicap: his Fundamentalist preconceptions.

Catholics: Seen but Not Heard

Baptism is just one example, and we have only scratched the surface. Other examples of passages that are difficult for Evangelicals—and where unwary Catholics attending a non-denominational Bible study can be misled—are John 20:23, Colossians 1:24, James 2:24, Matthew 16:18-19, and John 5:28-29.

Catholics often find non-denominational Bible studies appealing because of the warm, serious, loving, and family-like environment. Being used to reverence and quiet devotion, Catholics find the welcoming and chatty nature of these gatherings refreshing and new. But there is such a thing as an ecumenical Bible study that doesn’t allow knowledgeable Catholics to participate in leadership or where the Catholic perspective is not equally presented and discussed with respect. In a truly ecumenical Bible study, the Catholic interpretation and teaching is not treated as substandard or heretical.

Also, the Catholic Church is not a "denomination" (which means "to take a new name"; it is the Church. Those who are in schism, who break away or subsist apart from it are denominations or sects. The Church is not. It is the Church.

There’s still a long way to go to get Catholics to the point of scriptural study that Protestants have achieved. But it is happening, and you can help. For more information, see my article "Starting a Parish Bible Study" at www.catholicconvert.com.

-Catholic Answers-

italo:

I dont know how you people decide to make up your own statement and start arguing against it. You are the one who said God is only in the Catholic Church, not me.

God is indeed everywhere e.g schools, homes, barrack, fellowships etc. God is even with all people e.g Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists etc...but that does not make all these people and/or places the ONE Church that Jesus founded.

Sorry if it hurts you...but there is only one Church that was founded by Christ 2000 years ago.

''If u say dat there is Only One
Church dt was founded by Christ 2,000 years ago''.
Who den founded other Churches?. E.g Anglican,Deeper Life, Celestian etc.
Are these not Holy Spirit filled churches?

There is a difference btw sayn Catholic Church was d FIRST FOUNDED CHURCH nd Catholic Church was d ONLY FOUNDED CHURCH BY CHRIST JESUS.

DO AV A RE-THINK....U NID IT BADLY.

Dainty-tee:

''If u say dat there is Only One
Church dt was founded by Christ 2,000 years ago''.
Who den founded other Churches?. E.g Anglican,Deeper Life, Celestian etc.

Anglican Church: King Henry VIII

Deeper Life: Kumuyi

Christ Embassy: Chris Oyakhilome

Living Faith: David Oyedepo

Frosbel Church: Frosbel.

Etc...

Dainty-tee:

Are these not Holy Spirit filled churches?

I dont consider them as "churches." At best I call them Ecclesial Communities.

I dont know whether they are filled with the Holy Spirit or not...but I know that the Holy Spirit can work through them or any other medium. Afterall, the Holy Spirit spoke through Caiaphas the High Priest. It doesnt mean he was the Church or part of it.

Also some of them could also be houses of the devil. We have heard how some pastors use evil powers to bamboozle people. It is not we that accuse; it is they that tell us.

Dainty-tee:

There is a difference btw sayn Catholic Church was d FIRST FOUNDED CHURCH nd Catholic Church was d ONLY FOUNDED CHURCH BY CHRIST JESUS.

DO AV A RE-THINK....U NID IT BADLY.

Jesus founded only one Church, brother. You think he founded millions. I think its you who needs a rethink.

@ Pastor Kun, the problem with you is that you just say whatever you like without evidence.

When you lied that all those Churches were older than the Catholic Church, I told you to give us the dates they were all established...you ran away for days.

Only to show up with another wishful thinking.

If I ask for evidence now, we wont see you here until you can cook up another lie.

"PASTOR!"

italo: @ Pastor Kun, the problem with you is that you just say whatever you like without evidence.

When you lied that all those Churches were older than the Catholic Church, I told you to give us the dates they were all established...you ran away for days.

Only to show up with another wishful thinking.

If I ask for evidence now, we wont see you here until you can cook up another lie.

"PASTOR!"

Bros I already listed the names of the churches. If you are in doubt, google is your friend. Don't be so lazy that I have to do your research for you. The RCC is only one of the six surviving churches supposedly established by the apostles even though the RCC as it is today as been poisoned by centuries of false doctrines.

Pastor Kun:

Bros I already listed the names of the churches. If you are in doubt, google is your friend. Don't be so lazy that I have to do your research for you. The RCC is only one of the six surviving churches supposedly established by the apostles even though the RCC as it is today as been poisoned by centuries of false doctrines.

I cant find any reputable source that comes close to agreeing with your position.

Even Wikipedia says The Coptic and Armenian Church split from the Catholic Church in the 5th century...all the others remained until the schism.

Where do you get your lies from?

Show us.

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italo:


Where do you get your lies from?

Show us.

LOL!!

PLS DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN USE MY TECNO Q1 AS A MODEM TO BROWSE ON MY LAPTOP? IS IT POSSIBLE?

every mallam wt his own kettle

Would u put away ill mannered assumptions and allow the Victim speak!

Did I complain of them running short of sermons or running short of 'Credible' sermons?

What are u on about then?

I Jumped ship cos I never got 'credible teachings', i was apparentely wishing to be a better xtian and getting teachings that either went haywire or confusing was never going to help my course.

Ask questions next time u're about quoting what u're not certain of!

There is nothing that should make a man abandon his church except if the preaching is not biblical and the pastor is occultic. Apart from that, no reason.why?every church has its own lapses. I have seen people changing churches like clothes.the same complaint that made them leave the first church made them leave the new one. Once the pastor is a child of God with God's spirit and a message that will take me to heaven, I don't mind even if the church building is tent