Goshen360:

That's Paul who KNOWS the law in and out telling you that deep mysteries. And what Paul taught was what Christ revealed to him. The one who gives the law knows how to terminate the law and the lope holes therein. Go and learn the law very well before you trying to teach the law.

Goshen360: @ MostHigh and JesusisLord85,

It is my heart desire to take Moses out of you as a brother in Christ AND replace with Christ + His finished works. That's my aim. You people are upholding Mosaic too long, we look unto Jesus our mediator but the law condemns. I want to take away Judaism (religion of the law) out of you and present\replace with the reality of Christ. The law POINTS to Christ and NOW that Christ have come, what are you people still looking back. Make una no go turn to pillar of salt

shdemidemi:

See bro, the bible says the law is spiritual, it is from God. There is nothing wrong with the law on its own, but the law must be applied on man. But man has a problem, he was born a sinner. His eyes, his hand, his ears, his nose, infact all his body members were made to admire and crave for sinful things. It is not the fault of man cos he inherited the nature of sin from the first man.

Remember the law is good but man is not. The law + the sin nature in man= death. We both agree the law can not make me righteous, it can only track me down whenever my sinful members do what they know how to do best.

My eyes can like to see things, it is not the fault of my eyes, it was made that way. My hand likes to feel things, it was made that way. Christ took the law away, paid the wages of my sin which is death that I may live. He imputed righteousness in me, what a friend we have in him.

MostHigh:

Hocus pocus talk.

Magicians dust.

Take me out from where to where?

Just as you have been trying to take Paul and Yashua Ibn Joseph out of Moses as well

But guess what.

Its written already in the holy writ for all to see, they were LAWFULL to the END

AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT

Lawless man like yourself.

ckkris: Please Sir, kindly change this USERNAME. You know its not proper for a human being that suffers malaria to bear or use this loftiest of all titles. Thanks.

shdemidemi: For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

I will help our brother out with Romans 7:2

The question from Chapter 6:1 was shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

The analogy of marriage was used by the apostle to further buttress his point-

The woman in the analogy represents a believer

Her first husband is the sin nature

The law of her first husband represents the law of Moses

The woman must obey the law of her husband as a principle of marriage

She is bound to the laws of this first husband as long as the husband is alive.

Christ became sin, he died as the first husband

The woman is now free to marry another husband

The new husband is the risen Christ

The woman cannot live with the new husband as if she were living with the old husband because the new husband has his own laws

The new law is the law of God different from the law of condemnation , sin and death.

Goshen360:

I have told you what Grace says in my teachings but you guy blew up everything in your fight against me. I no know wetin I do una sef. You just said you are not saying one can receive God's righteousness by keeping the law. What then are we saying here? The law I advocate is the LAW OF CHRIST, THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT. The law UNTO THEMSELVES for the gentiles.

Okay, lemme take it one by one with you.

Answer the question shdemidemi asked you. In Romans 7:2, what is it that BINDs a woman to her husband. Just answer simple question and we deal with this issue.

shdemidemi: For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

I will help our brother out with Romans 7:2

The question from Chapter 6:1 was shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

The analogy of marriage was used by the apostle to further buttress his point-

The woman in the analogy represents a believer

Her first husband is the sin nature

The law of her first husband represents the law of Moses

The woman must obey the law of her husband as a principle of marriage

She is bound to the laws of this first husband as long as the husband is alive.

Christ became sin, he died as the first husband

The woman is now free to marry another husband

The new husband is the risen Christ

The woman cannot live with the new husband as if she were living with the old husband because the new husband has his own laws

The new law is the law of God different from the law of condemnation , sin and death.

MostHigh:

This law of Yashua you speak Where can one obtain it to read?

Goshen360: @ Bidam, Ayomivic & utah,

I will take time out to respond fully\intensively to all your worries and questions.

Zikkyy:

you are going to Sokoto to look for something that should be inside your shokoto. Your waka Just dey start

Bidam: Pls do, we eagerly await your response,because it seems you are telling every one here that moral laws are abolished.

shdemidemi: For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

I will help our brother out with Romans 7:2

The question from Chapter 6:1 was shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

The analogy of marriage was used by the apostle to further buttress his point-

The woman in the analogy represents a believer

Her first husband is the sin nature

The law of her first husband represents the law of Moses

The woman must obey the law of her husband as a principle of marriage

She is bound to the laws of this first husband as long as the husband is alive.

Christ became sin, he died as the first husband

The woman is now free to marry another husband

The new husband is the risen Christ

The woman cannot live with the new husband as if she were living with the old husband because the new husband has his own laws

The new law is the law of God different from the law of condemnation , sin and death.

WOW!!!! WONDERFULL!!! SHOCKING!!!! MY MOUTH HAS TORN(IYANNU )

shdemidemi: My brother, I am not defining sin from law of Moses. Apart from the law, God has created every man with a conscience to know right from wrong, encouraging se.xual immorality is obeying the demands of our flesh. I will leave it at that bro, I hope you understand what I mean.

Goshen360:

I have asked similar question on the saints and sinner thread. Please give me\us JUST ONE scripture THAT SAYS the laws given to Moses was divided into MORAL, CEREMONIALS ETC.

I will still explain by my promise, finding quality time. Thanks.

MostHigh:

You should change your name to show me show me.

MostHigh:

So why did your master not just teach ONLY from conscience to conscience

wHY DID HE HAVE TO REFERENCE THE WRITTIN WORD AT ALL?


You can be exactly as the master is but not greater.

Lawlessness is Death.

Goshen360: @ Bidam, Ayomivic & utah,

I will take time out to respond fully\intensively to all your worries and questions.

Bidam: Pls do, we eagerly await your response,because it seems you are telling every one here that moral laws are abolished.

Ayomivic: @ goshen360, let me first sumarize what i understood by your teaching. You said we are not saved by observing the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. Is that correct?

And we understand faith to be believing in what we have not seen but heard . If this meaning of faith is correct, are you saying that if someone is a theif but he believes that Jesus died for him on cross, he believes in resurrection , are you saying that God would not punishe him for being a theif?

Are you saying that all the law include ten commandments should not be taken serious?

uteh: @Goshen, pls i will like you to ask a question. Yes we are saved by grace thru faith, so what do we do with d commandments of Jesus? As given in Matt 22:37-40. Are we to ignore his sermons on d mountain -Matt 5-7. Remember b4 he started he said in Matt 5:17 dat he didnt come to destroy d law but to fulfill it. Also John 15:10,12, and also 1 John 3:22-24. If we are saved by grace do we ignore d commandments of Jesus? Would obeying his commandments mean you are walking by law and not by grace obtained thru faith?

Bidam: I actually quoted the Pauline letters which you love to quote so much as per fulfilling the law,which wan con be error for this matter again? Ok,here are the scriptures once again.

we do not nullify the Law through faith, “on the contrary, we uphold the Law”( Romans3:31)

What law is paul referring to here?

Romans 8:4

New International Version (NIV)

4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

And this was my interpretation of the scripture above in blue "Those who have been made righteous by faith and have thus received the holy Spirit are now able to fulfill the requirements of the Law" or do you have a contrary opinion? please share in line with this scripture so i could be edified.
I also went ahead to capture the Law a christian should fulfill,which Paul was talking about by quoting these verses of scripture in Romans 13:8-10.

Romans 13:8-10

New International Version (NIV)


8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law..

So we are [b]commanded to love one another as love is the fulfillment of the LAW .Please show me where i teach error abeg

Goshen360: ....
That being said, I challenged many people on this forum in the past including Olaadegbu, Frosbel, Enigma, Ihedinobi, Image123, Bidam, Alwaystrue, and some others to produce just ONE single scriptures that tells us that the entire 613 lawS of God given to Moses was divided into CEREMONIAL, MORAL etc. There's NONE OF THEM THAT CAN PRODUCE ONE SCRIPTURE TO MY CHALLENGE. Anyway, THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT MADE SUCH DISTINCTIONS. When the reference to THE LAW is made in the NT, it is reference to the WHOLE and NOT some being giving a special preference.....

Enigma: Bawo ni, Goshen.

Just waking up, really.

I'm not sure I know that frosbel's thread you are referring to; he has too many anyway ...... In any case, I will search for it.

Yes, the point is this: I have never said that the law (Old Testament) applies to Christians. On the other hand, I will argue that some of the very same laws and rules of the Old Testament apply to Christians** ---- even under the New Testament. This is what Paul and the other apostles taught.

This is also reflected in the point I made to you about your example with Constitutions. Go and take Nigeria's current Constitution (1999) and see how much and what percentage of it is exactly the same as the old Constitution (1979) --- and even previous Constitutions, granted to a lesser extent!

Sometimes when people talk about "grace" without balancing scriptures properly, they eventually give a false impression of the true doctrine of grace and what Jesus Christ and the apostles taught. You too have to be careful about that!

** PS I notice that another thing that people have been missing in all this discussion of "law" and "grace" is how the Lord Jesus Christ Himself explained or "re-interpreted" some of the Old Testament rules and laws; the key point being that He showed the true intent and purport of those rules and laws. Well, that true intent and purport remains till today ---- even under the era of "grace". Again, when you study and understand this, you will be more cautious in your approach, at least I hope so!

Enigma: ^^^ You dis guy, I "propheSIZE" say you go become "pastor" one day!