MostHigh:

Spot on

Goshen is constantly propelled by demons on this site

Each one appealing and polishing to his vanity

Lawlessness is their Bread

are you an enemy of Christ's work on the cross or what?

Goshen360:

I really wanna deal with you today.

Therein lies the problem with you and your friend. You want to be seen to 'win' the debate. This is not a matter of 'I'm right, you're wrong'. Your doctrine will send people to hell.
Your arrogance will not let you see light.
It is well

flourishG: are you an enemy of Christ's work on the cross or what?

Do you say anything substantial? Or do you just kiss shdemidemi's proverbial?

JesusisLord85:

So what does 'grace' say exactly?
Because this 'new law' that you advocate came out of a brief encounter on the road to Damascus. I wonder just how much God said to Paul that caused you to think of a fluffy new set of laws by which all you need to do is acknowledge God exists and that qualifies you to enter the Kingdom.

See, if one truly believes God exists, he will use all his strength to please God. What pleases him? When we obey his commandments.

I have told you what Grace says in my teachings but you guy blew up everything in your fight against me. I no know wetin I do una sef. You just said you are not saying one can receive God's righteousness by keeping the law. What then are we saying here? The law I advocate is the LAW OF CHRIST, THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT. The law UNTO THEMSELVES for the gentiles.

Okay, lemme take it one by one with you.

Answer the question shdemidemi asked you. In Romans 7:2, what is it that BINDs a woman to her husband. Just answer simple question and we deal with this issue.

Goshen360:

The Law says DO THIS and GOD does that. Grace says DO this BECAUSE God had already DONE THAT. What is it that is not clear in my teachings?

Goshen, I agreed already.

JesusisLord85:

Therein lies the problem with you and your friend. You want to be seen to 'win' the debate. This is not a matter of 'I'm right, you're wrong'. Your doctrine will send people to hell.
Your arrogance will not let you see light.
It is well

You don't have to accept my doctrine sir. We are REASONING SCRIPTURES TOGHETHER and everyone is reading. I don't teach to win argument. It means nothing to me. You teach and I test. I teach,others and you test what I teach by searching and comparing scriptures.

Now, I just taught a message that we are NOT made rightous by obeying the law of Moses and you just agreed to the and on the other hand, you turned your back and say I'm teaching wrong things. What is wrong in it when you just agreed?

Goshen360:

Yes bro. The Law keeps in bondage and grace sets free. The law is the POWER that sin operates on\with. Take the power of sin away, then sin shall not have dominion or power over you\us or the church. Glory to God!

In other words Yashau and the apostles were in bondage

Only paul the judaIZER IS FREE

See your reasoning.

Lawlessness.

Ihedinobi:

Goshen, I agreed already.

Okay, if you agree to that. Then I asked, what does the Law say about tithing? Did it say tithe BECAUSE GOD HAD ALREADY GIVEN\BLESSED YOU or it says tithe SO THAT GOD CAN BLESS YOU? What does the law say?

MostHigh:

In other words Yashau and the apostles were in bondage

Only paul the judaIZER IS FREE

See your reasoning.

Lawlessness.

That's why Christ came young man. To set you free from the POWER OF SIN - The law. So you can be free to serve God in Spirit and in truth. The Law was in place UNTIL CHRIST SHOULD COME...AFTER Christ had come and given us the SPirit, WE NO LONGER NEED THE LAW TO GUIDE US - THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW GUIDES US.

Goshen360:

You don't have to accept my doctrine sir. We are REASONING SCRIPTURES TOGHETHER and everyone is reading. I don't teach to win argument. It means nothing to me. You teach and I test. I teach,others and you test what I teach by searching and comparing scriptures.

Now, I just taught a message that we are NOT made rightous by obeying the law of Moses and you just agreed to the and on the other hand, you turned your back and say I'm teaching wrong things. What is wrong in it when you just agreed?

I will put your errors down to a lack of verbal reasoning skills

Goshen360:


and rolling on the floor! So the context of Galatians Epistle is ^ the highlighted in RED Just answer simple question o, don't go copy and paste because I really wanna deal with you today.

Don't laugh brother, this guy needs the Word.

I no blame you sha, me sef laugh

I know I am missing...I will catch up soon.

JesusisLord85:

I will put your errors down to a lack of verbal reasoning skills

Okay, I await that.

shdemidemi:

Don't laugh brother, this guy needs the Word.

I no blame you sha, me sef laugh

You know when Paul said, some people want to teach the law to Christians BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW SAYS. He, Paul repeated same thing in Romans 7:1. (I am talking to THOSE WHO KNOW THE LAW) I bet my life, that guy will NEVER answer that question in Romans 7:2 because he knows that is an exposure of his errors and heresies. Honestly, it is ONLY a man like Paul who KNOWS the law that can destroy the law in and out. We teachers of Grace have dine and wine with the law and we understand it bondage to THOSE IT WAS GIVEN TO. How can you explain cut off your hands when it makes you sin? Some people will say that is NOT a literal meaning or translation. What then does it mean if not what it means\says?

Goshen360:

You don't have to accept my doctrine sir. We are REASONING SCRIPTURES TOGHETHER and everyone is reading. I don't teach to win argument. It means nothing to me. You teach and I test. I teach,others and you test what I teach by searching and comparing scriptures.

Now, I just taught a message that we are NOT made rightous by obeying the law of Moses and you just agreed to the and on the other hand, you turned your back and say I'm teaching wrong things. What is wrong in it when you just agreed?

Are you truly confused

Or is this all a front for something else?

Did Christ not obey the LAW?

MostHigh:

Are you truly confused

Or is this all a front for something else?

Did Christ not obey the LAW?

When Christ obeyed the law. He never broke ONE? Do you want me show you the LAW Christ broke?

Goshen360:

I have told you what Grace says in my teachings but you guy blew up everything in your fight against me. I no know wetin I do una sef. You just said you are not saying one can receive God's righteousness by keeping the law. What then are we saying here? The law I advocate is the LAW OF CHRIST, THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT. The law UNTO THEMSELVES for the gentiles.

Okay, lemme take it one by one with you.

Answer the question shdemidemi asked you. In Romans 7:2, what is it that BINDs a woman to her husband. Just answer simple question and we deal with this issue.

Oh this wicked generation. Anyway I will respond since you asked so nicely, your brothers approach is rather abrasive.
Anyway. Paul told you "for I speak to them that know the law". You arrogant men, you don't know the law and yet you want to come and bring this passage to me. demidemi did you not learn your lesson on Acts 10, and you want more?

I gave you the background before, and I hoped you would turn aside and understand.

Romans 7: Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God"

You misunderstood revelation because you do not understand the difference between present tense and past tense. This time, you err because you do not know when Paul uses the singular.

Given the background, you know that this is talking about a wife that was in adultery. Israel was married to God, but according to the law, was then in adultery. So let me rephrase. If the husband (Christ) dies, she is loosed from the law (of adultery), for she is then free to remarry. Do not take this to mean that she is now free to steal, kill and destroy and still make heaven. How can a passage concerning a marriage (and adultery) be used to say the law in general is done away with. I am laughing at this point.

And understand this, the new covenant, God remarrying Israel, and placing his law in their hearts, is it not the same laws to govern marriage? This is just a renewed contract.

Be blessed and have a wonderful sabbath.

Shalom

Goshen360:

When Christ obeyed the law. He never broke ONE? Do you want me show you the LAW Christ broke?

Why do you ask questions like this. This is not blackberry messenger, you think we enjoy the dialogue? Give us your example and let me laugh myself to sleep

Goshen360:

Okay, if you agree to that. Then I asked, what does the Law say about tithing? Did it say tithe BECAUSE GOD HAD ALREADY GIVEN\BLESSED YOU or it says tithe SO THAT GOD CAN BLESS YOU? What does the law say?

The point of the question is...?

Goshen360:

When Christ obeyed the law. He never broke ONE? Do you want me show you the LAW Christ broke?

By all means, do.

Goshen360:

That's why Christ came young man. To set you free from the POWER OF SIN - The law. So you can be free to serve God in Spirit and in truth. The Law was in place UNTIL CHRIST SHOULD COME...AFTER Christ had come and given us the SPirit, WE NO LONGER NEED THE LAW TO GUIDE US - THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW GUIDES US.

ok that's why he came

what about his purpose?

what about that.

JesusisLord85:

Why do you ask questions like this. This is not blackberry messenger, you think we enjoy the dialogue? Give us your example and let me laugh myself to sleep

Hahahahahahaha! I go laugh you die tonight. Okay, let start with #1.

The law says Stone whoever is caught in adultery to death. When the woman was caught in the very act. What did Christ do and what IS THE MEANING OF THAT MESSAGE OF CHRIST since Christ is the GRACE living under the dispensation of the LAW at that time. Abeg no run this and by the way, we are taking it step by step, that you long epistle to little answer is wearing us out. Simple question, what does the it says BINDS a woman to her husband, you are writing long epistle. A typical way of dubious people.

Ihedinobi:

By all means, do.

Brother you goad Goshen to more damnation

The man is actually clueless of his constant blaspheming

Here he runs to prove Yashua is a sinner, e wan fall more people hand

Goshen na your own hand you dey fall so.

You can be exactly as the master is but not GREATER.

JesusisLord85:

Oh this wicked generation. Anyway I will respond since you asked so nicely, your brothers approach is rather abrasive.
Anyway. Paul told you "for I speak to them that know the law". You arrogant men, you don't know the law and yet you want to come and bring this passage to me. demidemi did you not learn your lesson on Acts 10, and you want more?

I gave you the background before, and I hoped you would turn aside and understand.

Romans 7: Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God"

You misunderstood revelation because you do not understand the difference between present tense and past tense. This time, you err because you do not know when Paul uses the singular.

Given the background, you know that this is talking about a wife that was in adultery. Israel was married to God, but according to the law, was then in adultery. So let me rephrase. If the husband (Christ) dies, she is loosed from the law (of adultery), for she is then free to remarry. Do not take this to mean that she is now free to steal, kill and destroy and still make heaven. How can a passage concerning a marriage (and adultery) be used to say the law in general is done away with. I am laughing at this point.

And understand this, the new covenant, God remarrying Israel, and placing his law in their hearts, is it not the same laws to govern marriage? This is just a renewed contract.

Be blessed and have a wonderful sabbath.
Shalom

1. I never knew you are a JEW o. Chei, Sabbath ke?

2. God remarrying Israel? So where does the church belong? Concubines?

3. It is very clear you don't understand nothing about romans 7. What nonsense you wrote up there? Did he say LAW of ADULTERY? You're really messing yourself up now. The scripture simply says LAW NOT Law of Adultery? What school did you attend?

Goshen360:

Hahahahahahaha! I go laugh you die tonight. Okay, let start with #1.

The law says Stone whoever is caught in adultery to death. When the woman was caught in the very act. What did Christ do and what IS THE MEANING OF THAT MESSAGE OF CHRIST since Christ is the GRACE living under the dispensation of the LAW at that time.

Did Christ obeyed that law of stone her to death? ^ Or he broke that law?

MostHigh:

Brother you goad Goshen to more damnation

The man is actually clueless of his constant blaspheming

Here he runs to prove Yashua is a sinner, e wan fall more people hand

Goshen na your own hand you dey fall so.

You can be exactly as the master is but not GREATER.

It is obvious you're clueless of what I'm saying and where I'm going. Did I say Christ was a sinner? Was Christ the one that was caught in Adultery? Sin is transgression of the law. It was the woman that broke the EXISTING LAW OF WHEN CAUGHT IN ADULTERY. There is NO EXISTING law of that talked about what Christ did - that's the lopehole of the law right there. So Christ is NOT breaking any existing law BY NOT ALLOWING HER TO BE STONED TO DEATH.

^ He that gave the law KNOW THE LOPEHOLES OR LIMITATIONS OF THE LAW AND ALSO KNOWS HOW TO TERMINATE THE LAW!

Goshen360:

Hahahahahahaha! I go laugh you die tonight. Okay, let start with #1.

The law says Stone whoever is caught in adultery to death. When the woman was caught in the very act. What did Christ do and what IS THE MEANING OF THAT MESSAGE OF CHRIST since Christ is the GRACE living under the dispensation of the LAW at that time. Abeg no run this and by the way, we are taking it step by step, that you long epistle to little answer is wearing us out. Simple question, what does the it says BINDS a woman to her husband, you are writing long epistle. A typical way of dubious people.

Goshen AND CO NO KILL ME WITH LAUGH OOO

nA ONLY TO STONE PERSON UNA SABI

I mean what the .......

MostHigh:

Goshen AND CO NO KILL ME WITH LAUGH OOO

nA ONLY TO STONE PERSON UNA SABI

I mean what the .......

Do you want more laws that Christ violated and the reasons he did that?

Goshen360:

It is obvious you're clueless of what I'm saying and where I'm going. Did I say Christ was a sinner? Was Christ the one that was caught in Adultery? Sin is transgression of the law. It was the woman that broke the EXISTING LAW OF WHEN CAUGHT IN ADULTERY. There is NO EXISTING law of that talked about what Christ did - that's the lopehole of the law right there. So Christ is NOT breaking any existing law BY NOT ALLOWING HER TO BE STONED TO DEATH.

^ He that gave the law KNOW THE LOPEHOLES OR LIMITATIONS OF THE LAW AND ALSO KNOWS HOW TO TERMINATE THE LAW!

@Goshen360:

When Christ obeyed the law. He never broke ONE? Do you want me show you the LAW Christ broke?

Are not those your words

Yashua is now a politician abi?

Loopholes, Limitations termination...

You are just lawless

A lawless Blasphemer

Goshen360:

Do you want more laws that Christ violated and the reasons he did that?

Do you know what violation means?

Why are you trying to Slander the master

Goshen you cannot be greater than the master

HERE COME GOSHEN CONDEMNING YASHUA OF SIN SOMETHING THE PHARASEES COULDNT ACHIEVE

Goshen the Lawless one he that is greater than elohem

MostHigh:

@Goshen360:

When Christ obeyed the law. He never broke ONE? Do you want me show you the LAW Christ broke?

Are not those your words

Yashua is now a politician abi?

Loopholes, Limitations termination...

You are just lawless

A lawless Blasphemer

You are empty head of scriptures! Nothing you have to say. I said I can show you more mosaic that Christ broke.

Do you know why he did NOT sin by breaking those law? ....sin is the transgression of the LAW BUT Christ broke law of Moses and yet, he sinned NOT. You haven't heard anything yet from me because you don't know the law you claim to know.

@ MostHigh and JesusisLord85,

It is my heart desire to take Moses out of you as a brother in Christ AND replace with Christ + His finished works. That's my aim. You people are upholding Mosaic too long, we look unto Jesus our mediator but the law condemns. I want to take away Judaism (religion of the law) out of you and present\replace with the reality of Christ. The law POINTS to Christ and NOW that Christ have come, what are you people still looking back. Make una no go turn to pillar of salt