idnoble135:
lol, i think its because what you believe does not align what you believe. Am i wrong?

No , because he preaches false doctrine .

Do you call the trash in this video Christianity ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyACodY0hek

frosbel:

No , because he preaches false doctrine .

Do you call the trash in this video Christianity ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyACodY0hek

explain what the video is about, i cant watch the video.

*sighs* Another joker with a stupid OP.
@Ben are u a xtian? if yes what church.
I don't want to waste my time with senseless post. my submission is that u're either a very ignorant xtian or u are out to deliberately confused & misinform brethren.

the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but spiritual.

if somebody carries your name [or destiny] and nails it to a tree, maybe its your gibberish prayer that will break your bondage, you never know.

you are not aware of what people do behind your back!

what kind of intellectual argument do you want to get into with someone who has that type of mindset?



of course its not mandatory, but neither do you have to knock what you dont agree with.

it all depends.

Tgirl4real:


Sir, there is no gift of the Spirit that is for personal edification. Gifts of the Spirit are for the edification of the church.

My dear sister when I made the statement, I actually was refering to this scripture:

1 Corinthians 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

DrummaBoy:

My dear sister when I made the statement, I actually was refering to this scripture:

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Of course, I know that scripture will come up, but you need to look at the entire chapter, even from chapter 12 to get it in context. There's a msg Paul was passing accross there, i.e. pursue that which is for the common good and not personal edification.

Moreover, like every gifts of the Spirit, tongues should come as the Spirit leads, but I bet you if I ask you to speak in tongues now, you will repeat the same thing you have been speaking since, which goes to show that what you speak has been learnt overtime and it's no longer inspired and can be equal to gibberish.

You also need to look at the history and purpose of tongues. Tongues is a sign to unbels.

Sir, just as you studied tithe, look into this issue again. I pray God enlightens you.

benalvino: One of the "Tenets" of the Pentecostal movement is the belief in the infilling of the "Holy Spirit" with the evidence of "Speaking in Tongues" or an "Unknown Tongue". There own interpretation of this is the Spirit of God ... "The Holy Ghost" ... is speaking through them. and if the holy spirit is speaking through them how do they know what they are praying to God? they usual pray in tongues(gibberish) in Nigeria and preach in normal English or known tongue(language)

like in the youtube video hisblud posted... They will further explain that sometimes they do not know what they are saying and the those present do not know what is being said. Many times they will rely on an interpreter to explain what has been said. The Bible speaks of no such thing! Many of these believers are deceived and are not speaking in any tongue .. let alone an unknown tongue. Those who are present may become confused for all they here are sounds of "gibbering" and "jabbering". Those who sincerely believe in "speaking in tongues" believe that this is necessary for an individual to be completely saved to the "uttermost". All this "seeking" for the "Holy Ghost" takes place after being baptized in accordance with (Acts 2:38) .. in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins. (1 Cor 14)

I: The Bible Speaks of an Unknown Tongue. (1 Cor 14:2)

A. Even then it is unknown (the language) to the individual being spoken to.

1. The speaker at times understands what he is saying but those he is speaking to .. do not. ... His understanding in unfruitful.

2. As a result, he speaks to God and he alone is edified (through understanding) ... To those present it is meaningless ... because his language is "unknown" to them.

a. What good has he done for the those he is speaking to?

b. What good had he done for himself? (1 Cor 14:4) ... (PURPOSE OF PREACHING!)

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II. We Know That By "Tongue" ... Paul Has Reference To Words That Can Be Understood. (1 Cor 14:9) (1 Cor 14:14,15)

A: "Unknown Tongue" here refers to an "Unknown Language" ... to those who are listening.

1. If Paul would be praying in an "unknown tongue" ... those listening would find his pray to be meaningless ... What good would this accomplish?

B: If I were to speak in another language ... those of you who do not know that language .. would not benefit from what I had to say. (INTERPRETERS WOULD HAVE TO BE USED.)

1. If the "song leader" were to lead in songs .. in another language .. those who do not know the language .. could not be edified. (You would not understand the words.)

C: We need to determine that in praying .. in preaching .. in singing .. in teaching .. we need to do all things in "Spirit and Understanding".

1. We are not to "edify" ourselves .. but we are to "edify" one another in "Spirit and in Truth."

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III. When Paul Speaks of "Unknown Tongues" .. He is Speaking of "Unknown Languages". (Glossa .. Noun.) (1 Cor 4:16-19)

A: Some here .. possibly speak two or more languages .. We could very well converse with one another in two or more languages ... We have learned them!

1. What about the rest of the congregation .. are we edifying them? NO! .. Is it right NO!

B: I try very hard to speak with words that all may understand what is being said.

1. When words come up that are difficult to pronounce .. I make every effort to speak correctly .. many times with an explanation.

2. I want everyone to hear and by hearing .. understand. ... I want men .. women .. boys .. girls to know what the Bible says .. It could change their lives.

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IV. "LISTEN TO IT!" (1 Cor 14:21,22)

A: What is the purpose of Tongues? (EXPLAIN) ... Remember this!!!!

1. (1 Cor 14:27,28) ... did you understand that? (DEAF INTERPRETATION)

B: The "Unknown Tongue" is a "language" unknown to the "unlearned listeners!"

1. If there be one who speaks in an unknown tongue .. there should be with him an interpreter ...so that all could hear and understand!

2. If no one is there who can interpret ... Paul says .. "... let him keep silence in the church..."

a. There is no profit for him to speak ... for anyone but maybe oneself .. as each one should speak alone with God.

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V. Let's Go Back To Our Text. .. (Acts 2:1-4)

A. Who had the "power" to speak in "Unknown Languages?" .. (Hetero Glossos) which means ... "Strange Tongues". .... Only the 12 Apostles ...

1. The Lord promised to them and them alone .. the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit."

2. One of the "resulting" signs was that they were able to speak in "Strange Tongues" (Hetero Glossos)

a. Which is "Unknown Languages" ... they were each able to speak in a "tongue" (Glossa) they had not learned .

b. Every man could "understand" in his own language (Acts 2:6-.

1. This was not "gibberish" .. it was the tongue in which they were born.

2. A "tongue" that the Apostles had not been taught.

B: Cornelius and his household received the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit". ... Why?

1. To show that the Gentiles had been accepted of God too ... and they spoke in "tongues" (Glossa). (Acts 10:46)

C: Then those on whom the Apostles laid their hands on received the "Holy Spirit" ... and they too spoke with strange tongues (Hetero Glossos). (Acts 19:1-7).

D: Were there others? ... The Bible is silent .. no further record anywhere!

1. Why did these men receive limited power of the 'Holy Spirit"?

2. To have the ability to go into foreign nations .. preach the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ ... without need of an interpreter.

E. How long did it last? ... Until the New Testament could be written and given to the world.

F. Paul preached that the time would come .. tongues and miraculous gifts would cease. (1 Cor 13:9,10)

a. (Jam 1:25) .. "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."

b. I submit to you that this ... Bible ... is perfect.

G. There are no "miraculous tongues" .. being spoken today. There is no need o such .. This word of God is truth .. for God is true. (John 3:33)

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VI: What About Those Who Claim To Speak In "Unknown Tongues" Today?

A. In their :zeal" .. they over look several important "facts".

1. The "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" ... (Speaking in Tongues) ... has not been promised to them.

a. It was promised to the Apostles ... ONLY. (Acts 1:4,5)

2. Since only the Apostles could "lay their hands" on others so that they might receive the "Laying on Hands Measure" of the "Holy Spirit" ... since all the Apostles are dead .. no one could have that measure today.

3. "Speaking in Tongues" always had reference to "Speaking in Strange Languages". (Hetero Glossos)

4. "Speaking in Tongues" was for the benefit of unbelievers .. never was it intended for believers.

a. Today it is practiced in churches for the benefit of believers as a "prayer language "and an evidence of the "Holy Spirit".

b. Where is the authority? .... surely not in the Bible!

5. If the "claimants" do not know what they are saying .. those who hear do not know what is being said ... how could they expect God to be worshipped acceptably?

a. This was not the way of the first century worship or practice.

6. Those who claim to speak in "tongues" .. are not able to speak like the Apostles did on the day of Pentecost ... they have no "miraculous" gifts.

7. God does not speak directly to man today ... If anyone teaches this ... he is a false teacher and the truth is not in him.

a. "Satan" is a sly "Old Fox" ... "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walking about, seeking who he may devour." (1 Pet 5:


Many people have been deceived because they have not studied their Bibles. If one would only study .. diligently .. with an honest heart .. a searching mind .. they would be able to see the truth of the Gospel. Satan is alive and well and rejoicing in their unbelief. (2 Tim 2:15) Let me leave you with these words of wisdom ... "Do not depend on others to teach you what you need to learn for yourself. If you put your faith in man .. man will deceive you. Just because a preacher tells you .. that does not make it right."

(Gal 1: ... "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, Let him be accursed."

There's nothing like the holy spirit talking to yours or any of the christianism liars's tongue. It is all shenanigans and lies

Tgirl4real:

Of course, I know that scripture will come up, but you need to look at the entire chapter, even from chapter 12 to get it in context. There's a msg Paul was passing accross there, i.e. pursue that which is for the common good and personal edification.

Moreover, like every gifts of the Spirit, tongues should come as the Spirit leads, but I bet you if I ask you to speak in tongues now, you will repeat the same thing you have been speaking since, which goes to show that what you speak has been learnt overtime and it's no longer inspired and can be equal to gibberish.

You also need to look at the history and purpose of tongues. Tongues is a sign to unbels.

Sir, just as you studied tithe, look into this issue again. I pray God enlightens you.

OK.

When you have time, or even now, will you show me what you mean? The traditional understanding is that tongues edify. I would like to know your take on it comprehensively.

DrummaBoy:

OK.

When you have time, or even now, will you show me what you mean? The traditional understanding is that tongues edify. I would like to know your take on it comprehensively.

Wow!

I wont be able to do that right away. I promise to look for a good article that addresses the topic and I will send it to you.

You are in naija right?

aurenflani:

There's nothing like the holy spirit talking to yours or any of the christianism liars's tongue. It is all shenanigans and lies

You didn't have to quote all that...

Tgirl4real:

You didn't have to quote all that...

hello?

Tgirl4real:


Wow!

I wont be able to do that right away. I promise to look for a good article that addresses the topic and I will send it to you.

You are in naija right?

Nigeria all the way!!!

I live and work in Ibadan. That brown roof city.

DrummaBoy:

Nigeria all the way!!!

I live and work in Ibadan. That brown roof city.

Kool. Omo Eko lemi o.

Will buzz you anyhow. Lol

BTW, Goshen has a thread on this, but I think he shares the same view with you.

idnoble135:
hello?

Hi?

Tgirl4real:

Hi?

i previously asked a question and got no reply. You didnt want to answer it?

idnoble135:
i previously asked a question and got no reply. You didnt want to answer it?

Ohh!

I must have skipped it. I will flip through again and reply

Tgirl4real:

Ohh!

I must have skipped it. I will flip through again and reply

Tgirl4real:

Ohh!

I must have skipped it. I will flip through again and reply

Tgirl4real:

Kool. Omo Eko lemi o.

Will buzz you anyhow. Lol

BTW, Goshen has a thread on this, but I think he shares the same view with you.

Tgirl4real, you need the baptism of Holy Spirit. Can I lay Apostolic hands on you?

Goshen360:

Tgirl4real, you need the baptism of Holy Spirit. Can I lay Apostolic hands on you?

I am baptised already, thank you.

Tgirl4real:

I am baptised already, thank you.

Water baptism or Holy Ghost baptism?

idnoble135:
some one liked my post and thats why am here again.
You still wont get me to argue. You earlier stated that you dont believe in speaking in tongues and now some what agree with alexeo. Are you confused?
My advice to you is, get a copy of all kenneth Haggin's books on prayer and the Holy Spirit. If that does not help you, contact me again, i have myriad of books i can recommend for you that contains abundant biblical evidences.
But me? I wont argue with you. Thank you!

Guy I dont believe in speaking in tongues in terms of shakanaka santaya... I believe in speaking in tongues in terms of igbo French yuroba Hausa. That is what the bible teach not the non sense people do in church today.

Don't you get it... All the place bible talks about tongues it use for communicating with other people. Today the gibberish they speak in church is used for only prayers... People who speak don't know what they are telling God. So tell me how do you know what you are asking God if you don't know what you are praying?

Why didn't Jesus pray in his heavenly language instead of Greek?

DrummaBoy: ^ To being Kenneth Hagin into this discuss is to do disservice to the discussion. That man's teaching, with many like him, have been proven to be unblical.

Let us limit ourselves to scriptures.

I believe in speaking tongues. I do myself. It build up one's faith and edifies the inner man. Through it we give thanks tO God well. We also pray mysteries to God - the Spirit helping us.

What builds up your faith is accepting Christ and read the bible... Speaking in tongues like the gibberish doesn't build your faith.

noblefada: *sighs* Another joker with a stupid OP.
@Ben are u a xtian? if yes what church.
I don't want to waste my time with senseless post. my submission is that u're either a very ignorant xtian or u are out to deliberately confused & misinform brethren.

I am a christian... I dont have to go to church to be a christian... Jesus says come to me, he didn't say go to that church. If you can build up faith and trust in God at your room then its ok.

Am not ignorant... When you people read Corinthians you stop at just one verse and flush the rest... So what Paul was saying became something else. Read my post I did the explaination of that verse for you... Its for you to pick up bible and reason with what I just said.

DrummaBoy:

OK.

When you have time, or even now, will you show me what you mean? The traditional understanding is that tongues edify. I would like to know your take on it comprehensively.

Bros I know you and we can reason this... Open your bible and read my original post again.

How can a gift of the tongue will be talked in the manner Paul did?
He says anyone who speak in and unknown language is not greater than those who prophesies. You see how he was more focused on the gift of prophesies? Read and understand.

Goshen360:

Tgirl4real, you need the baptism of Holy Spirit. Can I lay Apostolic hands on you?

Goshen you are a wise guy... Maybe you haven't looked into this issue... But tgirl and I can discuss it with you.

Benalvinho, i understand your plight. And i think i do have the answer to your questions, but i just dont have time to sit and start typing... Its seems a herculean task for me. But brother, you have alot to learn. Do you have a mentor who you can meet one on one?

Tgirl4real:

Of course, I know that scripture will come up, but you need to look at the entire chapter, even from chapter 12 to get it in context. There's a msg Paul was passing accross there, i.e. pursue that which is for the common good and personal edification.

Moreover, like every gifts of the Spirit, tongues should come as the Spirit leads, but I bet you if I ask you to speak in tongues now, you will repeat the same thing you have been speaking since, which goes to show that what you speak has been learnt overtime and it's no longer inspired and can be equal to gibberish.

You also need to look at the history and purpose of tongues. Tongues is a sign to unbels.

Sir, just as you studied tithe, look into this issue again. I pray God enlightens you.

Bible defines tongue as languages... If someone speak in an unknown language he speaks to him self and God. Because only God and him understand what he is saying... Paul is saying they should not speak if someone can't interprete what they are saying.

idnoble135: Benalvinho, i understand your plight. And i think i do have the answer to your questions, but i just dont have time to sit and start typing... Its seems a herculean task for me. But brother, you have alot to learn. Do you have a mentor who you can meet one on one?

Bros dont you think its better go clear my doubt now?
I dont see why you can't type... 20 to 30 mins for you to show me the wonders or educate me is not bad

4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified

The bold explain it.

If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. (1 Cor 14:27-28)


Question is do you have interpreters for those who speak gibberish aka kakayankaya in church?

Time is a factor here. Its a sunday, remember?
Btw, there is a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues. That gives you understanding that there are two levels of tongues.
The first level is the tongues that edifies only the believer. 1 cor 14:2, 4. The believes prays to God and at such "speaketh mysteries" to God and NO MAN understands him. 1 cor 14:2. Now thats tongues as a praying language, just for the believer.
The other kind of tongues is the one that edifies the church. This tongue is specially inspired by the Holy Spirit("as the Spirit gave utterance" Acts 2:4). It is uttered in christian gatherings and at such requires interpretation 1 cor 14:27. The tongues here is a real earthly language. It could be language from any country and tribe but its not often known by the church, hence the need for an interpretation. 1 cor 14:27
I really need to go. Seek your bible or your mentor. I dont want to comment by explaining scripture. May God give you clarity about His Word. Amen.

idnoble135: Time is a factor here. Its a sunday, remember?
Btw, there is a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues. That gives you understanding that there are two levels of tongues.
The first level is the tongues that edifies only the believer. 1 cor 14:2, 4. The believes prays to God and at such "speaketh mysteries" to God and NO MAN understands him. 1 cor 14:2. Now thats tongues as a praying language, just for the believer.
The other kind of tongues is the one that edifies the church. This tongue is specially inspired by the Holy Spirit("as the Spirit gave utterance" Acts 2:4). It is uttered in christian gatherings and at such requires interpretation 1 cor 14:27. The tongues here is a real earthly language. It could be language from any country and tribe but its not often known by the church, hence the need for an interpretation. 1 cor 14:27
I really need to go. Seek your bible or your mentor. I dont want to comment by explaining scripture. May God give you clarity about His Word. Amen.

Bible never talks about praying in tongues. I dont know why Paul will be saying someone should interprete prayers if that is the case. There is no 2 level.

benalvino:

Bible never talks about praying in tongues. I dont know why Paul will be saying someone should interprete prayers if that is the case. There is no 2 level.

i knew you would argue. Did you open the verses i gave? Did you confirm from 1 cor 14:2 and found out that the word pray is missing?
Blind argument! Wont reply you again! Enjoy your christian life the way you want it!