benalvino:

Goshen you are a wise guy... Maybe you haven't looked into this issue... But tgirl and I can discuss it with you.

benalvino:

I am a christian... I dont have to go to church to be a christian... Jesus says come to me, he didn't say go to that church. If you can build up faith and trust in God at your room then its ok.

Am not ignorant... When you people read Corinthians you stop at just one verse and flush the rest... So what Paul was saying became something else. Read my post I did the explaination of that verse for you... Its for you to pick up bible and reason with what I just said.

noblefada:
Again you show ur ignorance, all the early Apostle had churches in-fact peoples houses were used has churches, even our Lord wrote to churches in Rev 2. the reason I asked 4 ur church is for me to know who I'm dealing with.
I don't want to join issues with u on a subject that is very clear but just because of brethren that might read this, pls kindly explain the ffg scripture
Mar 16:15-17 KJV 15: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

benalvino: One of the "Tenets" of the Pentecostal movement is the belief in the infilling of the "Holy Spirit" with the evidence of "Speaking in Tongues" or an "Unknown Tongue". There own interpretation of this is the Spirit of God ... "The Holy Ghost" ... is speaking through them. and if the holy spirit is speaking through them how do they know what they are praying to God? they usual pray in tongues(gibberish) in Nigeria and preach in normal English or known tongue(language)

like in the youtube video hisblud posted... They will further explain that sometimes they do not know what they are saying and the those present do not know what is being said. Many times they will rely on an interpreter to explain what has been said. The Bible speaks of no such thing! Many of these believers are deceived and are not speaking in any tongue .. let alone an unknown tongue. Those who are present may become confused for all they here are sounds of "gibbering" and "jabbering". Those who sincerely believe in "speaking in tongues" believe that this is necessary for an individual to be completely saved to the "uttermost". All this "seeking" for the "Holy Ghost" takes place after being baptized in accordance with (Acts 2:38) .. in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins. (1 Cor 14)

I: The Bible Speaks of an Unknown Tongue. (1 Cor 14:2)

A. Even then it is unknown (the language) to the individual being spoken to.

1. The speaker at times understands what he is saying but those he is speaking to .. do not. ... His understanding in unfruitful.

2. As a result, he speaks to God and he alone is edified (through understanding) ... To those present it is meaningless ... because his language is "unknown" to them.

a. What good has he done for the those he is speaking to?

b. What good had he done for himself? (1 Cor 14:4) ... (PURPOSE OF PREACHING!)

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II. We Know That By "Tongue" ... Paul Has Reference To Words That Can Be Understood. (1 Cor 14:9) (1 Cor 14:14,15)

A: "Unknown Tongue" here refers to an "Unknown Language" ... to those who are listening.

1. If Paul would be praying in an "unknown tongue" ... those listening would find his pray to be meaningless ... What good would this accomplish?

B: If I were to speak in another language ... those of you who do not know that language .. would not benefit from what I had to say. (INTERPRETERS WOULD HAVE TO BE USED.)

1. If the "song leader" were to lead in songs .. in another language .. those who do not know the language .. could not be edified. (You would not understand the words.)

C: We need to determine that in praying .. in preaching .. in singing .. in teaching .. we need to do all things in "Spirit and Understanding".

1. We are not to "edify" ourselves .. but we are to "edify" one another in "Spirit and in Truth."

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III. When Paul Speaks of "Unknown Tongues" .. He is Speaking of "Unknown Languages". (Glossa .. Noun.) (1 Cor 4:16-19)

A: Some here .. possibly speak two or more languages .. We could very well converse with one another in two or more languages ... We have learned them!

1. What about the rest of the congregation .. are we edifying them? NO! .. Is it right NO!

B: I try very hard to speak with words that all may understand what is being said.

1. When words come up that are difficult to pronounce .. I make every effort to speak correctly .. many times with an explanation.

2. I want everyone to hear and by hearing .. understand. ... I want men .. women .. boys .. girls to know what the Bible says .. It could change their lives.

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IV. "LISTEN TO IT!" (1 Cor 14:21,22)

A: What is the purpose of Tongues? (EXPLAIN) ... Remember this!!!!

1. (1 Cor 14:27,28) ... did you understand that? (DEAF INTERPRETATION)

B: The "Unknown Tongue" is a "language" unknown to the "unlearned listeners!"

1. If there be one who speaks in an unknown tongue .. there should be with him an interpreter ...so that all could hear and understand!

2. If no one is there who can interpret ... Paul says .. "... let him keep silence in the church..."

a. There is no profit for him to speak ... for anyone but maybe oneself .. as each one should speak alone with God.

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V. Let's Go Back To Our Text. .. (Acts 2:1-4)

A. Who had the "power" to speak in "Unknown Languages?" .. (Hetero Glossos) which means ... "Strange Tongues". .... Only the 12 Apostles ...

1. The Lord promised to them and them alone .. the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit."

2. One of the "resulting" signs was that they were able to speak in "Strange Tongues" (Hetero Glossos)

a. Which is "Unknown Languages" ... they were each able to speak in a "tongue" (Glossa) they had not learned .

b. Every man could "understand" in his own language (Acts 2:6-.

1. This was not "gibberish" .. it was the tongue in which they were born.

2. A "tongue" that the Apostles had not been taught.

B: Cornelius and his household received the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit". ... Why?

1. To show that the Gentiles had been accepted of God too ... and they spoke in "tongues" (Glossa). (Acts 10:46)

C: Then those on whom the Apostles laid their hands on received the "Holy Spirit" ... and they too spoke with strange tongues (Hetero Glossos). (Acts 19:1-7).

D: Were there others? ... The Bible is silent .. no further record anywhere!

1. Why did these men receive limited power of the 'Holy Spirit"?

2. To have the ability to go into foreign nations .. preach the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ ... without need of an interpreter.

E. How long did it last? ... Until the New Testament could be written and given to the world.

F. Paul preached that the time would come .. tongues and miraculous gifts would cease. (1 Cor 13:9,10)

a. (Jam 1:25) .. "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."

b. I submit to you that this ... Bible ... is perfect.

G. There are no "miraculous tongues" .. being spoken today. There is no need o such .. This word of God is truth .. for God is true. (John 3:33)

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VI: What About Those Who Claim To Speak In "Unknown Tongues" Today?

A. In their :zeal" .. they over look several important "facts".

1. The "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" ... (Speaking in Tongues) ... has not been promised to them.

a. It was promised to the Apostles ... ONLY. (Acts 1:4,5)

2. Since only the Apostles could "lay their hands" on others so that they might receive the "Laying on Hands Measure" of the "Holy Spirit" ... since all the Apostles are dead .. no one could have that measure today.

3. "Speaking in Tongues" always had reference to "Speaking in Strange Languages". (Hetero Glossos)

4. "Speaking in Tongues" was for the benefit of unbelievers .. never was it intended for believers.

a. Today it is practiced in churches for the benefit of believers as a "prayer language "and an evidence of the "Holy Spirit".

b. Where is the authority? .... surely not in the Bible!

5. If the "claimants" do not know what they are saying .. those who hear do not know what is being said ... how could they expect God to be worshipped acceptably?

a. This was not the way of the first century worship or practice.

6. Those who claim to speak in "tongues" .. are not able to speak like the Apostles did on the day of Pentecost ... they have no "miraculous" gifts.

7. God does not speak directly to man today ... If anyone teaches this ... he is a false teacher and the truth is not in him.

a. "Satan" is a sly "Old Fox" ... "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walking about, seeking who he may devour." (1 Pet 5:


Many people have been deceived because they have not studied their Bibles. If one would only study .. diligently .. with an honest heart .. a searching mind .. they would be able to see the truth of the Gospel. Satan is alive and well and rejoicing in their unbelief. (2 Tim 2:15) Let me leave you with these words of wisdom ... "Do not depend on others to teach you what you need to learn for yourself. If you put your faith in man .. man will deceive you. Just because a preacher tells you .. that does not make it right."

(Gal 1: ... "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, Let him be accursed."

MrBible: Speaking in tongues ended with the apostles and only those they laid their hands on then. The tongues of today are from the deceiver satan.

benalvino:

But is that not it is? When someone do kapasantaya kimoshangala he is speaking gibberish... Not supported in the bible simple

benalvino:
Why will God want you to speak santayakana when he understand English and igbo... Why does God want you to speak language you dont know and can't even tell the words that comes put from your mouth.

benalvino:

That is exactly what I did. Speaking in tongues mean speaking in Japanese French igbo Yoruba... If you do not understand it... It is unknown to you.

When people pray In tongues kikikikakakasantaya kimokolobangara is gibberish man... Even Jesus did not pray like this.

Paul states that if you speak unknown tongue you did not share your understanding with the church but to only you and God..

because if the people can't understand you... You are talking to your self. God understand everything so you are talking to God as well. You should learn to take bible verse in context. He says if you must speak in an unknown tongue someone should interprete it. Simple.

Notice he is not talking about prayers but ministering to people...

COOLDUN:


I am a christian who loves and believe in God almighty alone. I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and personal Savior. I also believe that i am a sinner who is living by the special grace of God almighty.

I support what you said 100%, i have traveled world wide and worshiped in many churches in the western countries and see how these people worship in truth and spirit. Though no one is free from sin, but the white people are more honest than the African Christians.

I don't believe that anyone living now can speak in tongues, speaking in tongue does never mean to repeat gibberish all in the name of speaking in tongues. The disciples of Christ were true born again and were not Christians but real children of God. They had the gift of speaking in tongues because of their movements around the world then. It gave them the opportunity to send their messages to the people whom they could not speak their languages then. When they were in a high spirit they would speak in tongues immediately they finish their preaching and speaking in tongues, the holy spirit would leave them , those people who heard their different languages would rush them to inquire from them whether they were from their places but the disciples would not be able to respond to them again, by then their message had been passed.

It was one of the miracles that won the disciples and Christ many converts, but today in just few minutes in prayers pastors and Christians would start speaking the same thing you hear from another pastors. Orobo scater, yakerrri, yamaha , suzuki , samadonki, oroborororororo, kirimamamamamam, yakarrrrrraaaa. Arrant nonsense, any language you speak, while speaking in tongues that was not heard by any memeber of the church or people around you then is a big FAKE.

They said it is heaven language, agreed but it must be heard by someone around you, whom you don't know his/her language before. You cannot speak the language and interpret it at the same time, then what is the need?

I don't go to church for any one but to worship my God, no one living will ever convince me that he/she can speak in tongues. You can talk your trash while praying or preaching to me but to believe you is optional to me.

I repeat again, no one speaks in real tongue nowadays. Take my words or leave it.

frosbel:


Kenneth Hagin is a false teacher and false prophet.

We should refer to the bible to resolve any issues we have and not MEN who in many cases teach contrary to Christ.

ARES: Speaking in tongues indeed, how about this
Lord Jesus Christ, thank you for waking me up today, may ur name be blessed and praised forever. Guide me through the day and grant me favour and grace.....
Now how hard was that.....

Goshen360: The subject of 'SPEAKING' and 'PRAYING' in tongues is as clear as a day light. Paul NEVER taught AGAINST praying in tongues BUT HE CORRECTED THE ABUSE OF TONGUES.

Just like se.x is not wrong in his correction to the Corinthian church,but se.x with wrong person or unnatural is what abuses se.x and makes it wrong. Hence, Paul wrote to correct WRONG se.xual activities. The same is subject of tongues, not praying in tongues that Paul said WAS WRONG but how it was practiced. This is what goes on in our Pentecostal churches where people just ALL speak or pray in tongues WITHOUT interpretation. THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG NOT THE PRAYING IN TONGUE ITSELF.