I know that redeem camp in lagos ibadan express road has paid accomodation for
people that want to stay and pray. I spoke to them on phone and i was told
they have a conference and so there will be no accomodation.
So can any one help me with another such camp in nigeria and the rates?
thanks

if u are a lady u can come to camp in my room.bt jst make sure u leave behind all ur hometown loaded problems b4 u come.

If you want to see God face to face.

Go to the nearest Catholic Church and ask for Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament.

italo: If you want to see God face to face.

Go to the nearest Catholic Church and ask for Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament.

What's that?

What is what?

italo: What is what?

Jesus in the blessed sacrament

superior1:

Jesus in the blessed sacrament

Jesus' actual body and blood under the appearance of bread and wine.

Do you have any beneficial information for the OP?

italo:

Jesus' actual body and blood under the appearance of bread and wine.

Do you have any beneficial information for the OP?

Actual as in real body and blood? Does it have tissues or muscles etc?

superior1:

Actual as in real body and blood? Does it have tissues or muscles etc?

For that, you must ask Jesus. It was he who said "this is my body"..."this is my blood."

It was also he who said "my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink."

And when God says something...IT IS!

italo:

For that, you must ask Jesus. It was he who said "this is my body"..."this is my blood."

It was also he who said "my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink."

And when God says something...IT IS!

But It was Pope Innocent 3 that brought the real blood and flesh theory, wasn't he?

italo: If you want to see God face to face.

Go to the nearest Catholic Church and ask for Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament.

Na wa for nonsense o.

superior1:

But It was Pope Innocent 3 that brought the real blood and flesh theory, wasn't he?

It was Jesus as I have shown above.

Also, see what the early church fathers say. They all lived centuries before Pope Innocent III was born.

"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110).

"For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh." Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110-165).

"[T]he bread over which thanks have been given is the body of their Lord, and the cup His blood..." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:18,4 (c. A.D. 200).

"He acknowledged the cup (which is a part of the creation) as his own blood, from which he bedews our blood; and the bread (also a part of creation) he affirmed to be his own body, from which he gives increase to our bodies." Irenaeus, Against Heresies.

"Having learn these things, and been fully assured that the seeming bread is not bread, though sensible to taste, but the Body of Christ; and that the seeming wine is not wine, though the taste will have it so, but the Blood of Christ; and that of this David sung of old, saying, And bread strengtheneth man's heart, to make his face to shine with oil, 'strengthen thou thine heart,' by partaking thereof as spiritual, and "make the face of thy soul to shine."" Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, XXII:8 (c. A.D. 350).

"For as to what we say concerning the reality of Christ's nature within us, unless we have been taught by Him, our words are foolish and impious. For He says Himself, My flesh is meat indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He that eateth My flesh and drinketh My blood abideth in Me, and I in him. As to the verity of the flesh and blood there is no room left for doubt. For now both from the declaration of the Lord Himself and our own faith, it is verily flesh and verily blood. And these when eaten and drunk, bring it to pass that both we are in Christ and Christ in us. Is not this true? Yet they who affirm that Christ Jesus is not truly God are welcome to find it false. He therefore Himself is in us through the flesh and we in Him, whilst together with Him our own selves are in God." Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, 8:14 (inter A.D. 356-359).

"Let us then in everything believe God, and gainsay Him in nothing, though what is said seem to be contrary to our thoughts and senses, but let His word be of higher authority than both reasonings and sight. Thus let us do in the mysteries also, not looking at the things set before us, but keeping in mind His sayings. For His word cannot deceive, but our senses are easily beguiled. That hath never failed, but this in most things goeth wrong. Since then the word saith, 'This is my body,' let us both be persuaded and believe, and look at it with the eyes of the mind. For Christ hath given nothing sensible, but though in things sensible yet all to be perceived by the mind. So also in baptism, the gift is bestowed by a sensible thing, that is, by water; but that which is done is perceived by the mind, the birth, I mean, and the renewal. For if thou hadst been incorporeal, He would have delivered thee the incorporeal gifts bare; but because the soul hath been locked up in a body, He delivers thee the things that the mind perceives, in things sensible. How many now say, I would wish to see His form, the mark, His clothes, His shoes. Lo! Thou seest Him, Thou touchest Him, thou eatest Him. And thou indeed desirest to see His clothes, but He giveth Himself to thee not to see only, but also to touch and eat and receive within thee." John Chrysostom, Gospel of Matthew, Homily 82 (A.D. 370).

"You will see the Levites bringing the loaves and a cup of wine, and placing them on the table. So long as the prayers and invocations have not yet been made, it is mere bread and a mere cup. But when the great and wonderous prayers have been recited, then the bread becomes the body and the cup the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ...When the great prayers and holy supplications are sent up, the Word descends on the bread and the cup, and it becomes His body." Athanasius, Sermon to the Newly Baptized, PG 26, 1325 (ante A.D. 373).

“ Seeing, too, that all flesh is nourished by what is moist (for without this combination our earthly part would not continue to live), just as we support by food which is firm and solid the solid part of our body, in like manner we supplement the moist part from the kindred element; and this, when within us, by its faculty of being transmitted, is changed to blood, and especially if through the wine it receives the faculty of being transmuted into heat. Since, then, that God-containing flesh partook for its substance and support of this particular nourishment also, and since the God who was manifested infused Himself into perishable humanity for this purpose, viz. that by this communion with Deity mankind might at the same time be deified, for this end it is that, by dispensation of His grace, He disseminates Himself in every believer through that flesh, whose substance comes from bread and wine, blending Himself with the bodies of believers, to secure that, by this union with the immortal, man, too, may be a sharer in incorruption. He gives these gifts by virtue of the benediction through which He trans-elements the natural quality of these visible things to that immortal thing." Gregory of Nyssa, The Great Catechism, 37 (post A.D. 383).

"Perhaps you will say, 'I see something else, how is it that you assert that I receive the Body of Christ?' And this is the point which remains for us to prove. And what evidence shall we make use of? Let us prove that this is not what nature made, but what the blessing consecrated, and the power of blessing is greater than that of nature, because by blessing nature itself is changed...The Lord Jesus Himself proclaims: 'This is My Body.' Before the blessing of the heavenly words another nature is spoken of, after the consecration the Body is signified. He Himself speaks of His Blood. Before the consecration it has another name, after it is called Blood. And you say, Amen, that is, It is true. Let the heart within confess what the mouth utters, let the soul feel what the voice speaks." Ambrose, On the Mysteries, 9:50 (A.D. 390-391).
"'And was carried in His Own Hands: ‘how carried in His Own Hands'? Because when He commended His Own Body and Blood, He took into His Hands that which the faithful know; and in a manner carried Himself, when He said, 'This is My Body.'" Augustine, On the Psalms, 33:1,10 (A.D. 392-418).

"Dearly-beloved, utter this confession with all your heart and reject the wicked lies of heretics, that your fasting and almsgiving may not be polluted by any contagion with error: for then is our offering of the sacrifice clean and oar gifts of mercy holy, when those who perform them understand that which they do. For when the Lord says, "unless ye have eaten the flesh of the Son of Man, and drunk His blood, ye will not have life in you,' you ought so to be partakers at the Holy Table, as to have no doubt whatever concerning the reality of Christ's Body and Blood. For that is taken in the mouth which is believed in Faith, and it is vain for them to respond Amend who dispute that which is taken." Pope Leo the Great, Sermon, 91:3 (ante A.D. 461).

"The body which is born of the holy Virgin is in truth body united with divinity, not that the body which was received up into the heavens descends, but that the bread itself and the wine are changed into God's body and blood. But if you enquire how this happens, it is enough for you to learn that it was through the Holy Spirit, just as the Lord took on Himself flesh that subsisted in Him and was born of the holy Mother of God through the Spirit. And we know nothing further save that the Word of God is true and energizes and is omnipotent, but the manner of this cannot be searched out. But one can put it well thus, that just as in nature the bread by the eating and the wine and the water by the drinking are changed into the body and blood of the eater and drinker, and do not become a different body from the former one, so the bread of the table and the wine and water are supernaturally changed by the invocation and presence of the Holy Spirit into the body and blood of Christ, and are not two but one and the same.” John of Damascus, Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, 4:13 (A.D. 743).

“Wherefore to those who partake worthily with faith, it is for the remission of sins and for life everlasting and for the safeguarding of soul and body; but to those who partake unworthily without faith, it is for chastisement and punishment, just as also the death of the Lord became to those who believe life and incorruption for the enjoyment of eternal blessedness, while to those who do not believe and to the murderers of the Lord it is for everlasting chastisement and punishment. The bread and the wine are not merely figures of the body and blood of Christ (God forbid!) but the deified body of the Lord itself: for the Lord has said, 'This is My body,' not, this is a figure of My body: and 'My blood,' not, a figure of My blood. And on a previous occasion He had said to the Jews, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, ye have no life in you. For My flesh is meat indeed and My blood is drink indeed. And again, He that eateth Me, shall live." John of Damascus, Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, 4:13 (A.D. 743).

@Italo, you got me cracking up with your copy and paste, but that is not the issue.

You said they did not take eucharist until innocent 3 and innocent 3 didn't make this announcement until 1215. Does that mean from the Apostles to Boniface 3 until Innocent 3, the church has been living in error of this real body and blood doctrine for more than a millennium?

superior1: @Italo, you got me cracking up with your copy and paste, but that is not the issue.

What gets me cracking up is this strange idea that it is wrong for only Catholics to copy from a source that has the same views as them. Tell me who doesnt do this. Everytime I asked you a question and you posted a Bible verse, what were you doing? "Copy and paste." And I never complain. Why are you so judgemental without adequately looking inwards?

superior1:
You said they did not take eucharist until innocent 3 and innocent 3 didn't make this announcement until 1215. Does that mean from the Apostles to Boniface 3 until Innocent 3, the church has been living in error of this real body and blood doctrine for more than a millennium?

Before we move forward, kindly show me where I said the bold.

italo:

What gets me cracking up is this strange idea that it is wrong for only Catholics to copy from a source that has the same views as them. Tell me who doesnt do this. Everytime I asked you a question and you posted a Bible verse, what were you doing? "Copy and paste." And I never complain. Why are you so judgemental without adequately looking inwards?



Before we move forward, kindly show me where I said the bold.

Na, I am not judgemental on that. I just find the length of the articles you pasted funny.
Away from that, that was the summary I made from the first article in your posting.

If that is not what you meant then say so, because I will want you to point out when the theory of real flesh and blood became catholic practice.

superior1:
Na, I am not judgemental on that. I just find the length of the articles you pasted funny.

Oh. Now it is the length. When I give you the link to read for yourself, you dislike it. Now I post it out for you here, you still dont like it. How can you be pleased?

I wanted you to see how the early church fathers through the early centuries believed in the real presence...long before Pope Innocent III was born. Since you asked if it was him who started it.

superior1:
Away from that, that was the summary I made from the first article in your posting.

If that is not what you meant then say so, because I will want you to point out when the theory of real flesh and blood became catholic practice.

What part of my thread actually led you to thinking that I said we didnt take the Eucharist until Pope Innocent III? It was you who said it...then you accused me of saying it. What is wrong with you?

I want to be sure that you are actually reading my posts and not just waiting to ask sarcastic and ridiculous questions regardless of what I say.

So which part was so difficult that you ended up misconstruing it?

Quote the words!

italo:

Oh. Now it is the length. When I give you the link to read for yourself, you dislike it. Now I post it out for you here, you still dont like it. How can you be pleased?

I wanted you to see how the early church fathers through the early centuries believed in the real presence...long before Pope Innocent III was born. Since you asked if it was him who started it.


What part of my thread actually led you to thinking that I said we didnt take the Eucharist until Pope Innocent III? It was you who said it...then you accused me of saying it. What is wrong with you?

I want to be sure that you are actually reading my posts and not just waiting to ask sarcastic and ridiculous questions regardless of what I say.

So which part was so difficult that you ended up misconstruing it?

Quote the words!

Typical Italo question evading tactics.

italo:
"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again."

Make this simple and answer the question, if not Innocent 3, who invented real blood theory as a doctrine?
If you can't answer this, then we must agree you have very little knowledge of Catholism.

Mountain of fire. Or u wait the program in RCCG is for a week after that u can go. Aside that going to mountain won't be a bad one. We have a lot of dem outside Lagos with accommodation

emal22: I know that redeem camp in lagos ibadan express road has paid accomodation for
people that want to stay and pray. I spoke to them on phone and i was told
they have a conference and so there will be no accomodation.
So can any one help me with another such camp in nigeria and the rates?
thanks

If you love the serenity of the north,my advice is to come to ALONE WITH GOD CAMP along gwagwalada road,Abuja.Accommodation is cheap and affordable single rooms goes for a thousand and hostels is 500.They also have a nice restaurant.Stay blessed.

superior1:

Typical Italo question evading tactics.


Make this simple and answer the question, if not Innocent 3, who invented real blood theory as a doctrine?
If you can't answer this, then we must agree you have very little knowledge of Catholism.

I have answered this question. If you do not see it, it is further proof that you are not reading and digesting my posts. You only intend to ask sarcastic and irrelevant questions.

I refuse to answer it again. If that means to you that I know very little or even nothing of Catholicism, fine.

I'm not in a contest to become the most knowledgeable Catholic...especially if you are the one judging the award.

emal22: I know that redeem camp in lagos ibadan express road has paid accomodation for
people that want to stay and pray. I spoke to them on phone and i was told
they have a conference and so there will be no accomodation.
So can any one help me with another such camp in nigeria and the rates?
thanks

Go to MFM prayer city. There are various accommodation. A good place with 24 hours going on.

@Superior1 and all,

By the way, I hope you went to Church. I hope you are experiencing the joy of the resurrection this Sunday.

God bless you.

emal22: I know that redeem camp in lagos ibadan express road has paid accomodation for
people that want to stay and pray. I spoke to them on phone and i was told
they have a conference and so there will be no accomodation.
So can any one help me with another such camp in nigeria and the rates?
thanks

Go to MFM prayer city just about 10 minutes drive from RCCG. RCCG is having their annual convention in the next one week. MFM city various accommodations ranging from N400 to 3000( not sure of present rate). A good place with 24 hours going on.

italo:

I have answered this question. If you do not see it, it is further proof that you are not reading and digesting my posts. You only intend to ask sarcastic and irrelevant questions.

I refuse to answer it again. If that means to you that I know very little or even nothing of Catholicism, fine.

I'm not in a contest to become the most knowledgeable Catholic...especially if you are the one judging the award.

Lol@ sarcastic and irrelevant questions. Guess we can leave this topic for now

italo: @Superior1 and all,

By the way, I hope you went to Church. I hope you are experiencing the joy of the resurrection this Sunday.

God bless you.

Thanks Bro, it was a great service today. God bless you in abundance too. Do have a great week!

superior1:

Thanks Bro, it was a great service today. God bless you in abundance too. Do have a great week!

sorry if this sounds harsh, it seems you and italo are playing the game of the blind pursuing the blind, you claimed pope innocent invented the body and blood theory, italo proved you wrong by bringing out christian writtings as old as 110AD and yet you claimed it was italo who said that pope innocent invented the theory.
Who is playing with who? Are your kids playing with your NL account?

italo: @Superior1 and all,

By the way, I hope you went to Church. I hope you are experiencing the joy of the resurrection this Sunday.

God bless you.

Wonderful liturgy! But one of the shortest Eucharisti celebrations I've attended so far.

God bless you too.

Ubenedictus: sorry if this sounds harsh, it seems you and italo are playing the game of the blind pursuing the blind, you claimed pope innocent invented the body and blood theory, italo proved you wrong by bringing out christian writtings as old as 110AD and yet you claimed it was italo who said that pope innocent invented the theory.
Who is playing with who? Are your kids playing with your NL account?

And you are the one with sight?. Myself and Italo have got a little history and you jumping in without that understanding makes you appear too hurry to make full sense.

The writings Italo showed if true are all talking of why real blood theory should have existed, showing it wasn't in operation for a time. And you thinking I do not know what am talking about is again a folly on your part. I can give you link to when the real blood theory was ratified as a Catholic doctrine and it was linked to Innocent 3.

Besides the Biblical verse Italo posted do not talk of real blood theory (it was a position we both did not agree on).

So Mr., watch before leaping. I will be opening a thread on this and you can come with your hard facts and great inSIGHTS

superior1:

And you are the one with sight?. Myself and Italo have got a little history and you jumping in without that understanding makes you appear too hurry to make full sense.

i bet you guys have lot of history but that isn't an excuse to play hide and seek on nl.

The writings Italo showed if true are all talking of why real blood theory should have existed, showing it wasn't in operation for a time. And you thinking I do not know what am talking about is again a folly on your part. I can give you link to when the real blood theory was ratified as a Catholic doctrine and it was linked to Innocent 3.

sorry my dear, read italo's post again, those quotes show conclusively that when those writtings were made that "theory" was already in effect.

Besides the Biblical verse Italo posted do not talk of real blood theory (it was a position we both did not agree on).

So Mr., watch before leaping. I will be opening a thread on this and you can come with your hard facts and great inSIGHTS

no problem.

Ubenedictus: i bet you guys have lot of history but that isn't an excuse to play hide and seek on nl.

sorry my dear, read italo's post again, those quotes show conclusively that when those writtings were made that "theory" was already in effect.

no problem.

That is why I told you to look before leaping. What constitutes hide and seek? Which of NL rules forbade it?. And what happens if I show you from his post and other Catholic source the year that theory became a doctrine?

Sal C: Wonderful liturgy! But one of the shortest Eucharisti celebrations I've attended so far.

God bless you too.

Where is that? In Nigeria?

I have always 'bragged' about St Dominic's Yaba having the shortest Sunday masses in Nigeria (1hr-1hr 15mins). Lol...

superior1:
The writings Italo showed if true are all talking of why real blood theory should have existed, showing it wasn't in operation for a time. And you thinking I do not know what am talking about is again a folly on your part. I can give you link to when the real blood theory was ratified as a Catholic doctrine and it was linked to Innocent 3.

No! The writings show that the early Church fathers believed in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

Let me quickly teach you one small thing about Catholic doctrine. That a doctrine is officially defined today does not mean today is when the Church started believing that thing. That is why I gave you those early writings to show that the Church has always believed in the real presence since the beginning. I'd still like to read from your link. I'm sure it will corroborate what I have said.

superior1:
Besides the Biblical verse Italo posted do not talk of real blood theory (it was a position we both did not agree on).

For us Catholics, it is not a mere "theory". Jesus said "this is my body...this is my blood." And we believe it as a fact.