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|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by googi: 4:59pm On Dec 26, 2018|
I do not want to incite hatred against those that conquered Africa but we refused to learn that Bible and Koran stories are domination tools as a blueprint for the rest of the world to follow.
Any deviation from it is "uncivilized", so African with our huge complex fall in line and model our culture according to theirs.
This discussion, fight or argument between Egypt and Hebrew is embarrassing to say the least. It is not about the DNA, the first language, culture and people that come from Africa but the other way round.
The atrocities committed against the natives from Americas, Asia and Africa to enforce these have faded in the minds and brains of the victims. No wonder they cry against China for persecuting foreign religions which ironically can never measure up to their lynching and collateral damages still perpetrated as smart bombs today.
So what is new about their new elected leaderships voted for by over 80% of their highly religious RAS lot?
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lx3as(m): 6:17pm On Dec 26, 2018|
Also in marriage, the Yorubas and people in Canaan, the Hebrew, shared the same marriage tradition, Genesis 28. Jacob was given Leah instead of Rachael.
Even up till now some traditional marriages still take place in the night and fake wife to be is still presented by the woman's family for the husband to pick his real wife from. In the ancient time, one could actually be given another woman since the husband would go in to the woman at night in the dark, according to some oral tradition in my family.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 8:36pm On Dec 26, 2018|
When the hebrews escaped from Egypt they were speaking kemitic egyptian but in Canaan they lost that language to a semitic tongue. We are speaking kemitic egyptian today and we got it from egyptians not hebrews. When the Egyptian empire fell, the Egyptians trekked down here
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 4:00am On Dec 27, 2018|
I never said , Oduduwa and followers were not migrants but clearly state that Ugbo were the first set of migrants with no kingly status but council of leaders, spiritualists, Herbalists,warriors etc from which one is appointed as head, even if there is sensationalism by different writers to present ILEIFE as very organized which was not true before the arrival of the new people who were educated in the ancient scientific knowledge. And at the arrival of Ooni, (a title existed before Yoruba land in Nigeria) ,through descending via Ora Hill in today's Yoruba Land in Nigeria) . These new people settled down in the midst of the older settlement and a Priest-King emerged.
And on the language, what I am saying is that their language were related and prototype even if there were modification via accents. The Oyo was a later formed kingdom,
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 4:16am On Dec 27, 2018|
1. If you claim we speak Kemitic, why is Orun(Sun) not in Kemitic lexicon but presence in both Yoruba and early Hebrew? And Yoruba of today still held strongly to many Hebrew words
2. Why is ba not in Kemitic lexicon but appeared in both Yoruba and Early Hebrew?
3.Why is Yoruba sculpture classified as Middle East. origin?
4. Why is the Ooni sculpture holding a ram's horn and not present in Kemitic world?
5. Why is Opa Oranmiyan not Kemitic hieroglyphs but Early Hebrew alphabet called Resh/Reish and Yod/Yud?
6. Have you read that Bantu parted away from Yoruba over 87,000 years ago on genetic study?
Bro, it s not about being distinct from rest Africans but Who were the ancestors of the Yorubas which has always been the puzzle. Lastly verify my question very well with evidence nd not opinion to counter them all.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 4:41am On Dec 27, 2018|
The greatest misdeed of many of us is simply classification of all, the new slogans of white people. So ,it is unfair to lump people who desire to rule over others for selfish reason and religious reasons and those who want to guide the world through their knowledge of one God,which is by a choice. Clearly, if you don't now this, the tradition of rituals, Masha, Ameyn etc are all Yorubas. It is unfortunate that the Assyrians and Persians are the one teaching us our history and reconstruction of our language..This is where we've missed it .
Contrary to your believe, the Hebrew at no point fought for selfish reason nor the Yorubas but survival of the fittest. And before such fight is embarked upon, Ephod — IFA is consulted . And as at today, the Hebrew don't control the world but the Assyrians, Romans, Persians. In fact, the hebrew hid their religious knowledge until Jesus directed the Hebrew to preach the knowledge of one God. Kindly verify before you condemn everyone. Do you know the Hebrews were the most killed and oppressed ethnic Race? Do you also know Britain is an Assyrian kingdom? Kindly do research on it
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lawani: 11:05am On Dec 27, 2018|
Olu317:but it is clear enough that ancient hebrew is kemitic egyptian, the sun is aten in kemitic egyptian. Since hebrews lived in Egypt 400 years they acquired that language. A pharaoh was named Akhenaten just thesame way people bear akinogun or akinosun nowadays
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 1:27pm On Dec 30, 2018|
lawani:I don't think so nor do I agree to such insinuation because the language do look alike but the early Hebrew developed differently with a different God who wasn't a man nor related to any man. The same way Yoruba's Almighty God is and was seen as not a man in any form.
And Akhenetan's meaning may not necessarily mean the same as the early Hebrews or Yoruba's Akinogun or Akinitan because cognate of such is called False Cognate, being the reason that they sound alike but different in meaning. In fact , Aki/Akim is an old Semitic name which is said to mean ,‘hero' and not only related to Egyptians or Kemitic meaning.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by googi: 3:01am On Jan 02|
Do you think the Hebrew pay attention or care one bit about Yoruba reorientation into Hebrew or Arabs for that matter.
They just see Yoruba and Igbo fighting of who is more Jewish as wannabes because of their success.
In the case of the piety you attributed to Hebrew, neither the Africans in Israel or Palestine would agree with you. Not even people like the wife of Tony Blair in Europe and America.
Indeed, it is such piety in the face of their attrocities that keep Africans down.
Do you know the capital of "organ transplant"
market locally known as rituals in Nigeria?
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 9:53pm On Jan 02|
First, Yes, because we alI know the Israelis care about seeking out the darkskin Hebrews before being reoriented and assimilated into the larger family of the Abraham Race as it has been written in, ‘ Isaiah 11:11 (The Israel Bible) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord will set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people, that shall remain from Ashur, and from Mitzrayim, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.'
But the Yoruba won't accept such assimilation unless the Israelis accept the information as regard part of the linguistic, Ifa-Ephod,etc before the unification of the Race. I know this because the modern day Israelis are looking for the opportunity to really verify any inscription in Africa or anywhere else which is inspired by Early-Hebrew related alphabets or writing.
If you remember vividly, the Ibo stock of Eastern Nigeria were visited not too long ago because some scholars of Ibos and other sympathisers claimed that Ibos were descendants of Eri or Nri,which has been properly identified as Eri by Hebrew linguists. Unfortunately, the Hebrew linguists found no Semitic or early Hebrew inscription in INSIBIDI writing nor in Iboland,even with the so called sign of David was rendered as no good evidence to proof their claim.
The most interesting aspect of this research is that the dna was not the basis for the visitation by the Israelis researchers but inscription of early Hebrews if they, ‘part of the lost tribe of Israel really existed in Eastern Nigeria but yet to be found. Perhaps, Ibos will make a good case if they have such within their grip.
On Yoruba case, this is what was said of Opa Oranmiyan by Ayinla Ogun whom you probably know as the Reverend Samuel Johnson, the author of the seminal The History of the Yorubas , described the curious arrangement:
“The nails are arranged in such an ordered manner as to render them significant. First, there are 61 in a straight line from the bottom upwards at interval of about 2 inches on either side in midline; and next, at about a distance of 4 inches on either side of this, and from the same level on top, two parallel lines of 31 of the midline. Then in the space between these three rows of parallel lines, and about the level where they converge, is found the most conspicuous of the carvings...”
The Opa was carved of granite gneiss. That’s the first mystery. Obviously Oranmiyan and other yoruba ancestors had technological knowledge before they could carve the structure out of granite. Infact, the European explorers who examined the Opa were of the opinion that it could have been made in the first millennium C. E.
Unlike Egyptian obelisk, the Yoruba obelisk Oranmiyan lacks a pyramidion – the g electrum at the top of an Egyptian pyramid it has a unique design. Dennett in 1910 “Near the centre of the pillar a horn and axe are carved. Above these figures forty-five c headed nails in three rows had been drive the stone, on one side of it ten, and on the other side is eight, while below twenty of these curious still remain.”
Johnson however writes:
… it tapers to a point, and has upon one face several spike nails driven into it, and carvings as of ancient characters. The nail arranged in such an ordered manner as to them significant. First, there are 61 in a straight line from the bottom upwards at intervals of 2 inches in midline; and next, at about a distance of 4 inches on either side of this, and from same level on top, two parallel lines of 31 each running downwards and curving bel meet those of the midline. Then in the between these three rows of parallel line about the level where they converge, is found most conspicuous of the carvings.
Fatunbi, commenting on the Oranmiyan obelisk writes, “There is the image of a trident made iron spikes on the obelisk,” but Williams and their 1998 article do not pay much attention to the nail design on the obelisk, they just write one side of the staff are some faded carving in explicably there are some nails driven into it and it is glaring that there are discrepancies in observations of Dennett and Johnson Oranmiyan obelisk. The total numbers of nails seen on Oranmiyan obelisk by both of them do not tally apart from fact that where Dennett sees “horn and Johnson sees “ancient characters”- Resh Yod. The fact that one sees horn and axe the other sees “ancient characters” does mean that the characters engraved on the Opa Oranmiyan are not hieroglyphs – but Resh and Yod. Commenting on one of the characteristics of hieroglyph writings Siculus writes:
“Now it is found that the forms of their take the shape of animals of every kind, the members of the human body, a implements and especially carpenters’ tool their writing does not express the int concept by means of syllables joined to another, but by means of the significance objects which have been copied and figurative meaning which has been improve upon the memory by practice. “
I am sure you know the yorubas were not Egyptians as some people thought on this forum because unlike Egyptian obelisk, the Yoruba obelisk of Oranmiyan lacks a pyramidion – the g electrum at the top of an Egyptian pyramid has a unique design Dennett in 1910.
Slideboom in 2011 notes that around 300 the ancient Egyptians had ways to write numbers. They made one vertical line for on vertical lines for two, and so on up to nin ten, the Egyptians made a U-shaped mark 100, the Egyptians drew a coil of rope, a 1000 they drew a lotus flower. They used as to show 10,000. In the Oranyan obelisk, the shaped for ten and the double U-shaped for twenty are not shown while Resh and Y shown on the obelisk.
I am sure you know that the Semitic - Hebrew were the one known with ‘Resh and Yod' in the early years because the alphabets were discovered in 1905.
Secondly, the Yorubas have not fought over being identified as Hebrews with Ibos at any time because our history and tradition aren't linked together as some people always think on this forum.
Thirdly,kindly pay no attention to whatever any one think or say either in Europe or Tony Blair's wife as such opinion dies a natural because archaeological, historical account point to the Black Jews as being Real . Beside the old testament made mentioned of these things and the commandment was to bring these people back as part of the Israelis,who had been dispersed or migrated to different part of the world before and after 500BC
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 6:05pm On Jan 03|
You vowelise not the root word but the root consonants, and that is what you did in your example. Paleo Hebrew is all consonants (represented by hieroglyphics), and so was arabic until the 8th Century.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 6:25pm On Jan 03|
If 'Ile-ife' and 'life' have any correlation, 'Life' would be from 'Ile-Ife' as the the Yoruba language is some 1500 years older than English.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 8:02pm On Jan 03|
Interesting! Vowelising the Paleo Hebrew consonant root for 'Jacob' yields 'oYaaKWoBi' which when 'iparoje' (contraction) is applied will be shortened as 'Yakobi' giving us how the modern 'Jacobi' came about. I believe his 'akosejaye' gave birth to his name; Rebecah went to 'enquire of the Lord' about the babies struggling in her womb and was told what would happen. Jacob living true to his name took the birthright clean off the 'akobi' (Esau), making him one 'who surpassed/overtook the firstborn' (oYaaKWoBi).
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 9:20pm On Jan 03|
Dem try o! They've kept the search alive all this while ....
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 9:43pm On Jan 03|
If you haven't already posted this, I would really love to know your thoughts on the 'Yoruba - Arab', as most scholarly work available only tend to do it the other way round. I actually think 'ancient' Arabic is a Yoruba dialect (investigations continuing on this) possibly hijacked somewhere along the line, just like 'modern Hebrew'. I already know the Old Testament is written in Yoruba's ancient script a.k.a Paleo Hebrew.
Happy New Year!
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 12:36am On Jan 04|
They know more than they are letting on.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by Olu317(m): 8:26pm On Jan 05|
I don't nor did I vowelize early Hebrew oooo but use root word and translated meaning by western researchers that I used to match Yoruba words. So, it is different from your pattern. This also lead to my assertion
Plainly, the man Jacob(aqeb) was not the first child that came out of first among the twin but an Usurper when deceived his father through his mother when the blessing was placed on him wrongly ; He that overthrew the first to be recognised as the first.This changed between Esau and Akob-Aqeb. Although the word akobakob-Aqeb-Yakob stuck in a reversal way of saying it,according to early Hebrew linguists. This however didn't change the status of other first Born in the history of Ivri(Ibri)-Hebrew .
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 4:53am On Jan 06|
Ole ni larubawa, olosha! . They are not original. Yoruba is the authentic Arab. Anyother race of people calling itself Arab is a mimick of the original, Yoruba!
Check this out...if I tell you the connection between Yoruba and Arab ehhn, you go sh.it for your trouser by time Im done.
You must not know who Yoruba is.
Yoruba, the most Superior race on earth!
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by jupiterx(m): 11:55am On Jan 06|
ImperialYoruba:Mind blown bros, mind blown
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by KingSango(m): 2:10pm On Jan 06|
It's the woolly haired African all over the planet that is the sons of God. Other straight haired, Caucasians, Asians and Indians came from recent man mixing with animal to form human hybrid.
Yoruba is not the original only one of the root bloodlines that ruled over the African. Africa is the birth place of the African, all our sacred knowledge and traditions are contained by societies in Africa ruled by royal families. Oduduwa came from the East as did many Africans when the Nile civilization crumbled. 12th century it's Mamluks ruling in Egypt and Middle East. These were sodomite soldiers raised as Christians are like the Islamic were intolerant to African philosophy which Prince Oduduwa taught.
Filter out the bias towards Yoruba or any Nigerian ethnic group or religious thought because alot has changed in these many centuries.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 3:03pm On Jan 06|
If my sister was still single, this single post alone is enough for me to give her to you as wife.
You are the best!
Macof, come and learn from people who truly know Yoruba. Is not every person born as Yoruba that know Yoruba. This guy, bluke, know Yoruba. . You think because you are born in Ife you know Yoruba. Mttchheew...i pity you.
Yoruba, the most Superior race on earth!
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 3:05pm On Jan 06|
Yoruba, the most Superior race on earth!
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 5:48pm On Jan 06|
Do the Yorubas who presently live in Western Nigeria have a different
origin from other Negroes ? Certain evolutionary developments have been
observed in Yorubas which are not taking place in other black Africans.
These developments include mutations in genes controlling mannose, and
hair formation and patterning (Keratin cluster near 17q12 and FLD6). Apart
from this, it had long been noticed that the Yorubas have the highest incidence
of dizygotic twins among all the people of the earth (2). As if these were not
enough, Yorubas suffer from a peculiar type of sickle cell trait, different from
the type of sickle cell trait that affects other native Africans (3).
If type of abnormal hemoglobin may be regarded as a proof of the diversity
of mankind, the following information is revealing
There is another striking observation:
Apart from the Western parts of Nigeria
(where Yorubas now reside) hemoglobin C is
also widespread in areas where, according
to local legends, Yorubas once visited. The
Ga people of Ghana, for example, speak a
language which is virtually Yoruba and claim
that they and the Ewe people migrated from
the Yoruba region of Nigeria in the 13th
century (4). Hemoglobin C is very rampant
among the Ga and Ewe people of Ghana and
Togo, but is absent in other Ghanaians.
Hemoglobin C also occurs in Sierra Leone,
a place many liberated Yoruba slaves made
their home in the 1800s (5).
Yorubas have always been a puzzle
among the people of Africa. The first
European explorers who encountered the
Yoruba were perplexed, most notably the
American Baptist Missionary William H.
Clarke. Compared to other African natives
Yorubas were markedly urban, living in
walled cities containing tens of thousands of
inhabitants. At the dawn of the 20th century
the European archaeologist Leo Frobenius
excavated some interesting bronze busts at
Ile Ife, the sacred city of the Yorubas.
Are Yorubas indeed a new branch of the
Negro evolutionary tree or a totally different
species? Undoubtedly, there is a need to
study the Yorubas by scientists to resolve a
riddle in the evolution of the human race.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 6:26pm On Jan 06|
need your input on this pls
ancient hebrew writtings and full pronouciation.
255. “E L KW N H” (elkanah) in ìpìnle Aba-òóré
“ELú KWó Ni Há” meaning “lord brought us
“ELú KWú Ni Há” meaning “lord did own us”
256. “K N H” (hanah) in ìpìnle Aba-òóré (ancient
“Ká àNúu Ha” meaning “have mercy forth”, “be
gracious forth”.257. “F N N H” (peninnah) in ìpìnle Aba-òóré
“Pín-in Ní ìNí Há” meaning “shared as a
possession forth”, precious/lovely procession.
258. “Ṣ L H” (shiloh) in ìpìnle Aba-òóré (ancient
“aṢe eLú Há” meaning “one who is lord forth”,
“aṢe Lée Há” meaning “one it is made for forth”,
“aṢe ọLá Há” meaning “we did make wealth
259. “H KH H N” (priest) in ìpìnle Aba-òóré
“Hìí iKHo HọNi” meaning “this representative of
“Hìí iKHo Ho Nií” meaning “this representative
of one who owns”.260. “Ṣ M W E L” (samuel) in ìpìnle Aba-òóré
“aṢáà Múu Wá Èí eLú” meaning “we did brought
him from the lord”.
261. “Ṣ A W L” (saul) in ìpìnle Aba-òóré (ancient
“Ṣì-Á Wá e Lo ” meaning “did come making
262. “D W Y D” (david) in ìpìnle abo -òóré
“oDù ìWá o Ya e Dá” meaning “cherished
secret/place of existence of overflowing
human”, becomes loved by many people.
“oDù ìWá e Dá” meaning “cherished secret/place
of existence of human”.“oDù ì-V(f)-e e Dá” meaning “cherished
secret/place of enlargement (existence of
“enlargement” is same as “existence of
263. “Y Ṣ Y” (jesse) in ìpìnle abo -òóré (ancient
“o Ya/o Je Ṣe àYè” meaning “This/I possess life ”,
“I enjoy life”.
o Je Ṣe àYè silencing the striken words gives Je s e
o Ya and o Je are noun reffers to the object that
overflow; while o Ya and o Je are verbs which
means “it overflows”.
264. “Ṣ L M H” (solomon) in ìpìnle abo -òóré
(ancient Hebrew)“Ṣe ọLá ìMo Há” meaning “did reigns in
“did enjoy richness of knowledge forth”,
“did demonstrate wealth of knowledge forth”.
Another name given to “aṢe-ọLá ìMo Há” by the
God of his father is
“èYí e Dá Yọ oDù - o YaHá” meaning “this one
comes from cherished secret of - God”.
When fragmented with Y being silenced;
“~e Dá ~ oDù - o ~aHá” this comes out as “e Dá -
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 6:38pm On Jan 06|
Studies continue but discoveries have been made, many of which is preserved as a body of knowledge for historical accounts, but cannot and must not become applications with which to shock and reverse the hands of the civilization clock which replaced and superseded Yoruba in human history.
Soil has peculiar identities as well. Many of the viruses and diseases that man suffer has attribute to soil type. For instance, tomatoes grow around the world and is same color. It does not grow year round. So for us in Nigeria when tomatoe is out of season in our soil we should also cut it out of our diet for that period. We do not have this understanding of bio-rhythym between body and soil....but we understand perfectly the principle of commerce and income. So traders who hoarded tomatoes will bring them out and put in the supply chain, some will even import them from other places that have supply. So we consume into our body a nutrient that is out of harmony with our nature (the soil) and this end introducing imbalance. This is how allergies and sickness and food poisoning lead to impurities in bloodstream and disease.
This is just one example, there are many many others.
So the blood type and its footprint can be traced to a true match (an origin) in soil type and nativity.
We know if you do dna testing for a family of 10 and you find an outlier, then that outlier cannot be said to be a freak accident caused by the mother's poor diet during pregnancy or the cosmetics she used or whether she wore silk underwear instead of cotton while carrying the baby in her....no, no, no....that would be unacceptable. The outlier's blood gene must be located...it does not belong with the other nine.
So why are people trying to force and squeeze Yoruba into membership of a Niger-Congo dna, inspite of scientific evidence that its gene belong elsewhere?
Its a bias!
We will defeat them with our own biases.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by bluke(m): 6:40pm On Jan 06|
274. “Y R W Ṣ L M” (jerusalem) in ìpìnle Aba-
òóré (ancient Hebrew).
“o Yọ ìRo Wá ìṢe ọLá ìMo ” meaning “source of
plea for us to have a reign/richess of
knowlegde”, “source of counsels/teachings of
reign/richess of knowlegde”.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by lx3as(m): 6:49pm On Jan 06|
These translations are simply central Yoruba dialect of Ife, Ekiti, Ijesa and to some extent, igbomina
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by KingSango(m): 7:07pm On Jan 06|
Having pride is one thing and proof is another.
Ego can't enter Orun.
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 7:23pm On Jan 06|
Jews and Christians say the gates of paradise are guarded by Gabriel and Michael. Muslims say by Jabril and Mikail.
The "el" and "il" at the end are distractions caused by difference in tongue, discard them. You will be left with "Gab" or "Jab"; and "Micha" or "Mika". Correct?
Do you know who these people are? If i tell you who they are you will sh.it in your trousers.
Yoruba, the most Superior race on earth!
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by KingSango(m): 7:31pm On Jan 06|
Yorubas are Africans?
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 7:38pm On Jan 06|
Who said they are not?
|Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by KingSango(m): 7:46pm On Jan 06|
Yorubas represent the African race they are not the African race.
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