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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by macof(m): 10:30pm On Nov 28, 2018
want2knowben:


One tribe in Ancient Israel was recorded as not being able to say 'sh'. I did not say that all Yoruba cannot say 'sh'. Read my post again.

God doesn't need linguists to reveal hidden matters! He is quite happy with 'babes', stutterers and those looked down on. That's his MO! grin
lmao. funny how the hebrew word for catastrophe is "shoah" (שואה) a clear usage of the "sh" sound.
rather than make ridiculous claims, why not post a semitic linguists report on hebrew language not having the feature you say. Because so far you have no sources

lmao God has nothing to do with linguistics and history. leave religion out of those..its apparent that you are one of those whose brain has been fried by foreign religions.
Another example of the destructive nature of these religions in africa

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 4:52am On Nov 30, 2018
macof:
lmao.

If you believe you are Hebrew you will find what you will use to hold on to that belief, similarly if you believe you are Chinese, you will find what to hold on to

All those things you listed are not peculiar to yoruba and Hebrews
1. most old cultures of the world circumcise and expect virginity on wedding day
2. The core principle of the new Yam Festival is to mark the beginning of a new agricultural year, different from the principle of the Hebrew first fruit
3. Yoruba can say "Sh".. There are names like Shola, words like Ìṣe (Act) Ìṣẹ́(work)
4. Hebrew culture isn't specific on how many days it takes to name a child, and the culture certainly doesn't require an elaborate celebration unlike the Yoruba culture


Prince O. Jejeloba? Never heard of him... Is he a linguist? And what institution did he publish under?

1. said 'proof of virginity'. There is a particular method to that done by the Yoruba like the OT Hebrews.
2. Not supposed to eat of the new yam until the feast has been done. Mirrors the first-fruit.
3. Address your number 3 earlier.
4. 8 days naming ceremony for Hebrews, same for Yoruba.

Why you arguing points I didn't make? grin grin

Did I add that Omi Ayelala is a mirror of the 'Bitter Water' administered by the OT priests to establish guilt or innocence? Did I mention that when you insert vowels into pre 585 BCE Paleo-Hebrew you get perfect Yoruba words that match the accounts in today's Bible? Too many coincidences to make the Claim untrue.
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 5:09am On Nov 30, 2018
macof:
lmao. funny how the hebrew word for catastrophe is "shoah" (שואה) a clear usage of the "sh" sound.
rather than make ridiculous claims, why not post a semitic linguists report on hebrew language not having the feature you say. Because so far you have no sources

lmao God has nothing to do with linguistics and history. leave religion out of those..its apparent that you are one of those whose brain has been fried by foreign religions.
Another example of the destructive nature of these religions in africa

Ever wondered what informed the need for 'Yoruba Ajumolo'? Clue: A good number of Yoruba dialects. An Egba man will read what an Ijesha man wrote and understand it clearly.

A part of the Yoruba people have a speech defect that makes them unable to say 'sh', like the OT Ephraimites. Doesn't mean you will eradicate the 'sh' sound from the Hebrew or Yoruba language especially since the majority don't have the speech defect.

You mean the same linguists who included Arabic as a Semitic language but classified similar Yoruba as Niger-Congo? Besides, this is the same attitude killing academia and development in Nigeria; the requirement that one must be queue up behind the dead and tired ones!

....and Eisu Odaara (Jesus the miracle worker) is not foreign to the Yoruba people! Our ancestors knew him but many didn't believe him or accept him. The real Judaism that Christianity and Islam came out from is a Yoruba religion. Esu/Eshu/Yesu/Yeshua/Yesua/Eisu/Eyisu/Isu/Jesus are all variations of the same name.

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by ImperialYoruba: 5:07am On Dec 01, 2018
PrecisionFx:


Are there cultures Yoruba share with people in Mecca?

Yes, plenty
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by macof(m): 1:17pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben:


1. said 'proof of virginity'. There is a particular method to that done by the Yoruba like the OT Hebrews.
2. Not supposed to eat of the new yam until the feast has been done. Mirrors the first-fruit.
3. Address your number 3 earlier.
4. 8 days naming ceremony for Hebrews, same for Yoruba.

Why you arguing points I didn't make? grin grin

5. Did I add that Omi Ayelala is a mirror of the 'Bitter Water' administered by the OT priests to establish guilt or innocence?
6. Did I mention that when you insert vowels into pre 585 BCE Paleo-Hebrew you get perfect Yoruba words that match the accounts in today's Bible?
7. Too many coincidences to make the Claim untrue.


Like i have said, anybody who wants to be anything than what he really is will look for something and find something.
if you wanted to be Chinese, you will find Chinese connection , if you wanted to be native american you will find a connection

1. provide evidence that the same method of proving virginity is used only by the hebrews and Yoruba and no other people
2. i already made clear that the reason for new yam festivals in west africa (not just yorubaland) is different from the idea of first fruits.
Let me explain more.
New yam festivals are purely a celebration of a succesful harvest, in many towns this signifies the beginning of the year as the ifa festival signifies the beginning of the year in Ile-ife.
first fruits are however a lot more than mere harvest celebrations but payments to the priests and sacrifice to the isreali deity, the first fruit has no calendar significance and is not an elaborate celebration, it is a sacrificial event.

but because you want to be hebrew so bad, you see connection where there is none, assuming you wanted to be chinese you would talk about the Mid-Autumn festival which is also an harvest festival that takes place around the same time as new yam festivals in west africa.


4. i would like to see a detailed account of Jewish naming ceremony with its source being a renowned Rabbi stating it must be 8 days after birth.
Because as far as i know, hebrew traditions have always left naming a baby to be free choice of the parents, babies can be named the day they are born with no ceremony at all...its not even a part of hebrew traditions

5. Omi Ayelal is for crimes different crimes, hebrew bitter water is specifically for women accused of adultery. the process of making Omi ayelala is also diferent from that of the Bitter water.

6. any evidence?

7. good thing you called it 'coincidence'. because that is just what they are. Have you tried looking for such coincidences in other people? Have you tried yoruba connection with the japanese, or yoruba connection with egypt, or yoruba connection with germans?
You will find many, especially when you are willing to twisting some facts a little towards your argument

What you lack however is evidence
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by macof(m): 1:49pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben:


Ever wondered what informed the need for 'Yoruba Ajumolo'? Clue: A good number of Yoruba dialects. An Egba man will read what an Ijesha man wrote and understand it clearly.

A part of the Yoruba people have a speech defect that makes them unable to say 'sh', like the OT Ephraimites. Doesn't mean you will eradicate the 'sh' sound from the Hebrew or Yoruba language especially since the majority don't have the speech defect.
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Lmao.. this one is just a joke of a post.

That is not a speech defect but dialect. But this is just hiarious. So the Ibadan people who say 'si' when Oyo say 'shi' is a result of Ibadan being descended from Ephramites? grin grin grin grin oh jeez, are you sure you went to school at all?
Do you know how many subgroups have dialects that eliminate certain sounds that exist in the high/standard dialect of the language?
So you mean to tell me now that each yoruba subgroups descended from a different hebrew clan, and Ibadan's ancestors were Ehphramites because they have a 's' 'sh' factor? grin grin grin

Ah! yoruba, we still have a long way to go, too much of our people are too uneducated and moronic, its a disappointment


You mean the same linguists who included Arabic as a Semitic language but classified similar Yoruba as Niger-Congo? Besides, this is the same attitude killing academia and development in Nigeria; the requirement that one must be queue up behind the dead and tired ones!

....and Eisu Odaara (Jesus the miracle worker) is not foreign to the Yoruba people! Our ancestors knew him but many didn't believe him or accept him. The real Judaism that Christianity and Islam came out from is a Yoruba religion. Esu/Eshu/Yesu/Yeshua/Yesua/Eisu/Eyisu/Isu/Jesus are all variations of the same name.

Is arabic not a semitic language, sharing the most similarities with hebrew, aramaic, amharic and maltese?
Is yoruba not a niger-congo language, sharing the most similarities with other Volta-niger languages like Igbo, Edo and Gbe languages(Fon, Ewe)?

Esu is now your Jesus grin i thought you christians said Esu is your Satan
Its wonderful how you think Esu is jesus but you wouldn't get initiated into Esu cult
You still run away from involvement in Isese...very wondeful
You still worship jesus but will never worship Esu grin

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 2:28pm On Dec 01, 2018
macof:


Lmao.. this one is just a joke of a post.

That is not a speech defect but dialect. But this is just hiarious. So the Ibadan people who say 'si' when Oyo say 'shi' is a result of Ibadan being descended from Ephramites? grin grin grin grin oh jeez, are you sure you went to school at all?
Do you know how many subgroups have dialects that eliminate certain sounds that exist in the high/standard dialect of the language?
So you mean to tell me now that each yoruba subgroups descended from a different hebrew clan, and Ibadan's ancestors were Ehphramites because they have a 's' 'sh' factor? grin grin grin

Ah! yoruba, we still have a long way to go, too much of our people are too uneducated and moronic, its a disappointment

If it was a dialect issue, then they would have no problems pronouncing it. Even Arabic has several dialects, and it is not unusual that a family/tribe/community will have a dialect slightly different from the others.


Is arabic not a semitic language, sharing the most similarities with hebrew, aramaic, amharic and maltese?
Is yoruba not a niger-congo language, sharing the most similarities with other Volta-niger languages like Igbo, Edo and Gbe languages(Fon, Ewe)?

The very languages that are Semitic/semitic related were grouped separately in a very fine attempt to remove the real Israelites far from their identity.

You will note that the Yoruba refer to the English language as Geesi, when in fact they had erroneously thought English was the language of the gospel (Ge'ez/ Amharic) that their ancestors knew that had been brought back to them once again. The Yoruba kept moving away from war and religious persecution until they found a place free from persecution to settle in.

Can you explain to me why on earth Yoruba is the only language that you can use to successfully and correctly translate Paleo-Hebrew?


Esu is now your Jesus grin i thought you christians said Esu is your Satan
Its wonderful how you think Esu is jesus but you wouldn't get initiated into Esu cult
You still run away from involvement in Isese...very wondeful
You still worship jesus but will never worship Esu grin

Like every other Orisha in Yorubaland, Esu Odaara was an hero, especially as he did worked 'opopolopo ara'. The majority didn't accept him to be the Son of God that he said he was. Orisha worship is ancestral worship. Idol worship in Yoruba land is ancestral worship gone horribly wrong. Jesus (Eisu/Yeshua) never asked to be cast as an idol, never mind a palm-oil drinking one! He taught them about spiritual worship.

These things were already prophesied. The nations would work together to erase the name of Israel of the surface of the earth. Israel would forget who they were. They would be scattered to the corners of the earth. God would bring them back to him.

There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. Oju wa lo ma se!

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 3:22pm On Dec 01, 2018
macof:


Like i have said, anybody who wants to be anything than what he really is will look for something and find something.
if you wanted to be Chinese, you will find Chinese connection , if you wanted to be native american you will find a connection

1. provide evidence that the same method of proving virginity is used only by the hebrews and Yoruba and no other people
2. i already made clear that the reason for new yam festivals in west africa (not just yorubaland) is different from the idea of first fruits.
Let me explain more.
New yam festivals are purely a celebration of a succesful harvest, in many towns this signifies the beginning of the year as the ifa festival signifies the beginning of the year in Ile-ife.
first fruits are however a lot more than mere harvest celebrations but payments to the priests and sacrifice to the isreali deity, the first fruit has no calendar significance and is not an elaborate celebration, it is a sacrificial event.

but because you want to be hebrew so bad, you see connection where there is none, assuming you wanted to be chinese you would talk about the Mid-Autumn festival which is also an harvest festival that takes place around the same time as new yam festivals in west africa.


4. i would like to see a detailed account of Jewish naming ceremony with its source being a renowned Rabbi stating it must be 8 days after birth.
Because as far as i know, hebrew traditions have always left naming a baby to be free choice of the parents, babies can be named the day they are born with no ceremony at all...its not even a part of hebrew traditions

5. Omi Ayelal is for crimes different crimes, hebrew bitter water is specifically for women accused of adultery. the process of making Omi ayelala is also diferent from that of the Bitter water.

6. any evidence?

7. good thing you called it 'coincidence'. because that is just what they are. Have you tried looking for such coincidences in other people? Have you tried yoruba connection with the japanese, or yoruba connection with egypt, or yoruba connection with germans?
You will find many, especially when you are willing to twisting some facts a little towards your argument

What you lack however is evidence

For a people who have lost connection to their roots and identity mainly to devastation of war and displacement, 'mirrors' of the originals will do for them, where they are unable to accurately replicate the originals.

Terah, Abraham, Isaac, Esau, Jacob are all in Yoruba oral traditions and we hear them being talked about everyday but we never make the connections because we are used to 'anglicised' biblical terms and names. Example is when Yoruba say, 'Akehinde gbe'gbon', they are are referencing 'Esau and Jacob'. Prince Jejelola restores the meaning of the name 'Jacob' by inserting letters into the Paleo-Hebrew consonants to give 'oYa-aKWobi' (capitals are the PALEO root), i.e the 'one who surpasses/overtakes the firstborn'. 'kw' is the same as 'q' sound, so you have yaqov, yaqov, yaqoob, yakob, jacobi, and Jacob, as variations and translations of the name. God knew what he was doing when he let them write Paleo unvowelised; it was for the purpose of accurate identification of the real sons of OYaaKWoBi in these end times.

You are educated; pls, do your own research. What I know did not fall on my laps. I yearned, I researched, I doubted, I believed, I learned, and still continue to do so. (I have also recommended an author. Grab a copy of his book on restored Hebrew names; you will be convinced beyond reasonable doubt).
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by PrecisionFx(m): 3:35pm On Dec 01, 2018
ImperialYoruba:


Yes, plenty

Like Islam?

Pls list dem
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by macof(m): 4:30pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben:


For a people who have lost connection to their roots and identity mainly to devastation of war and displacement, 'mirrors' of the originals will do for them, where they are unable to accurately replicate the originals.

Terah, Abraham, Isaac, Esau, Jacob are all in Yoruba oral traditions and we hear them being talked about everyday but we never make the connections because we are used to 'anglicised' biblical terms and names. Example is when Yoruba say, 'Akehinde gbe'gbon', they are are referencing 'Esau and Jacob'. Prince Jejelola restores the meaning of the name 'Jacob' by inserting letters into the Paleo-Hebrew consonants to give 'oYa-aKWobi' (capitals are the PALEO root), i.e the 'one who surpasses/overtakes the firstborn'. 'kw' is the same as 'q' sound, so you have yaqov, yaqov, yaqoob, yakob, jacobi, and Jacob, as variations and translations of the name. God knew what he was doing when he let them write Paleo unvowelised; it was for the purpose of accurate identification of the real sons of OYaaKWoBi in these end times.

You are educated; pls, do your own research. What I know did not fall on my laps. I yearned, I researched, I doubted, I believed, I learned, and still continue to do so. (I have also recommended an author. Grab a copy of his book on restored Hebrew names; you will be convinced beyond reasonable doubt).

So yoruba came from israel but forgot , but somehow traditionalists dont know this, it takes a christian who knows nothing of yoruba traditions to find this out grin grin grin
Like i said your religion has fried your brain

cheesy Grand master of yoruba oral traditions who runs away from the same traditions to christianity, oya tell me what are the yoruba names of Terah, Abraham, Isaac etc that you mentioned... also Oyakwobi is not yoruba as the language doesn't have instances of 'kw' , and even if i correct that to Oyakobi, it doesnt have any meaning in yoruba, so throw that 'one who surpasses the first born' translation out to the trash
Its interesting as Jacob actually is originally ya-qu-ub-el which means 'may El protect' having nothing to do with 'one who surpasses the first born'
The same name is recorded earlier still, in c. 1800 BC, in cuneiform inscriptions (spelled ya-ah-qu-ub-el, ya-qu-ub-el).[4] The suggestion that the personal name may be shortened from this compound name, which would translate to "may El protect", originates with Bright (1960).[5] The Septuagint renders the name Ιακωβος, whence Latin Jacobus, English Jacob.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob#Etymology


Is this prince of yours a linguist? does he have an academic background in comparative linguistics or he's just another uneducated unemployed clown?
What method did he use to ascertain what letters can be used to produce an accurate reconstruction/reverse transliteration? and can this same example be used in other names, or we follow a different style with each new name?

I have seen a copy of his book, i see he is sponsored by mfm(mountain of fire) a church known to be an enemy of the yoruba identity, with their constant attacks against yoruba traditions and any respect for ancestry. Many are mad few are roaming grin

if you want to learn yoruba history and origins, seek actual historians...one of the leading yoruba historians today is Prof. Banji Akintoye
there are many professors of history in yorubaland who might not have published books but have journals that you can get for a small fee
Even linguists and geneticists can be of contribution to the field...Get books or academic articles of african languages and Dna analysis in Africa
You can get some of these things online in pdf format, some universities allow some materials out , if you need further help you can ask a student or a professor to get you access to more materials

Scholarship is not easy, you dont just let some nonsense jobless guy feed you nonsense...was his book reviewed by an academic team yet? or endorsed by any university?

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 5:21pm On Dec 01, 2018
macof:


So yoruba came from israel but forgot , but somehow traditionalists dont know this, it takes a christian who knows nothing of yoruba traditions to find this out grin grin grin
Like i said your religion has fried your brain

cheesy Grand master of yoruba oral traditions who runs away from the same traditions to christianity, oya tell me what are the yoruba names of Terah, Abraham, Isaac etc that you mentioned... also Oyakwobi is not yoruba as the language doesn't have instances of 'kw' , and even if i correct that to Oyakobi, it doesnt have any meaning in yoruba, so throw that 'one who surpasses the first born' translation out to the trash
Its interesting as Jacob actually is originally ya-qu-ub-el which means 'may El protect' having nothing to do with 'one who surpasses the first born'



Is this prince of yours a linguist? does he have an academic background in comparative linguistics or he's just another uneducated unemployed clown?
What method did he use to ascertain what letters can be used to produce an accurate reconstruction/reverse transliteration? and can this same example be used in other names, or we follow a different style with each new name?

I have seen a copy of his book, i see he is sponsored by mfm(mountain of fire) a church known to be an enemy of the yoruba identity, with their constant attacks against yoruba traditions and any respect for ancestry. Many are mad few are roaming grin

if you want to learn yoruba history and origins, seek actual historians...one of the leading yoruba historians today is Prof. Banji Akintoye
there are many professors of history in yorubaland who might not have published books but have journals that you can get for a small fee
Even linguists and geneticists can be of contribution to the field...Get books or academic articles of african languages and Dna analysis in Africa
You can get some of these things online in pdf format, some universities allow some materials out , if you need further help you can ask a student or a professor to get you access to more materials

Scholarship is not easy, you dont just let some nonsense jobless guy feed you nonsense...was his book reviewed by an academic team yet? or endorsed by any university?




YaQuBuEl is not the Paleo root for Jacob. The Yoruba you write today is an evolved form, so minor differences in lettering should be expected. Besides, 'iparoje' (contraction) features heavily in the Yoruba language, where consonants and vowels are omitted in speech or in writing. If you compared King James's English at the time of the original translation of the KJV Bible to today's English, you would see how the language evolved. (Missed adding to the original post that Jacob, true to his name, took Esau's birthright. O gba Egbon lowo Esau', as seen in the Yoruba saying A'kehinde gb'egbon. ) You would readily embrace anything and everything western while you reject your own culture, tradition and identity.

Jejelola's work confirmed my own prior findings and suspicions, and his work of translating the Torah Paleo text continues. In saner climes, he'll be cherished for his findings and assisted to complete his work, even if he were a 10 yr old. In Nigeria and with minds like yours, he has to queue behind dead and tired people for his work to be given any recognisance.

Carry on believing in your Professors, Bro! grin grin grin Any of them proved God yet? Or translated the Torah yet? Jesus was never a Professor, and neither were many Yoruba heroes of old! That said, other Professors support the claim that Yorubas are descendants of Jacob. All knowledge and wisdom is not written.

The Nigeria of today is a boiling pot of descendants of the biblical Israelites, Arabs, Egyptians and many of the tribes around them, living together like they did in biblical times. You may belong to one of those assimilated by the Yorubas.

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by macof(m): 5:25pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben:


If it was a dialect issue, then they would have no problems pronouncing it. Even Arabic has several dialects, and it is not unusual that a family/tribe/community will have a dialect slightly different from the others.




The very languages that are Semitic/semitic related were grouped separately in a very fine attempt to remove the real Israelites far from their identity.

You will note that the Yoruba refer to the English language as Geesi, when in fact they had erroneously thought English was the language of the gospel (Ge'ez/ Amharic) that their ancestors knew that had been brought back to them once again. The Yoruba kept moving away from war and religious persecution until they found a place free from persecution to settle in.

Can you explain to me why on earth Yoruba is the only language that you can use to successfully and correctly translate Paleo-Hebrew?




Like every other Orisha in Yorubaland, Esu Odaara was an hero, especially as he did worked 'opopolopo ara'. The majority didn't accept him to be the Son of God that he said he was. Orisha worship is ancestral worship. Idol worship in Yoruba land is ancestral worship gone horribly wrong. Jesus (Eisu/Yeshua) never asked to be cast as an idol, never mind a palm-oil drinking one! He taught them about spiritual worship.

These things were already prophesied. The nations would work together to erase the name of Israel of the surface of the earth. Israel would forget who they were. They would be scattered to the corners of the earth. God would bring them back to him.

There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. Oju wa lo ma se!


smh.

you obviously dont have any form of research collating experience, i'm sure you didnt go to school if this is what come up with
but you know what, christianity has already done enough damage to the yoruba nation, there is nothing i will say or no questions i will ask to try to get you to question your stance that will be of any good...because for you this is about connecting to the people who you believe are the chosen people of your god

There is no traditionalist or academician can take you people seriously, its only fellow poorly educated christians so what is already bad enough cannot get worse

I'll just leave this here,
Genetic, linguistic and cultural evidence are all unanimously on the same page that Yoruba are a native west african people sharing a common origin with her neighbors

the mission your church gave you can not make anything worse than it already is

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by macof(m): 5:37pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben:


YaQuBuEl is not the Paleo root for Jacob. The Yoruba you write today is an evolved form, so minor differences in lettering should be expected. Besides, 'iparoje' (contraction) features heavily in the Yoruba language, where consonants and vowels are omitted in speech or in writing. If you compared King James's English at the time of the original translation of the KJV Bible to today's English, you would see how the language evolved. (Missed adding to the original post that Jacob, true to his name, took Esau's birthright. O gba Egbon lowo Esau', as seen in the Yoruba saying A'kehinde gb'egbon. ) You would readily embrace anything and everything western while you reject your own culture, tradition and identity.

Jejelola's work confirmed my own prior findings and suspicions, and his work of translating the Torah Paleo text continues. In saner climes, he'll be cherished for his findings and assisted to complete his work, even if he were a 10 yr old. In Nigeria and with minds like yours, he has to queue behind dead and tired people for his work to be given any recognisance.

Carry on believing in your Professors, Bro! grin grin grin Any of them proved God yet? Or translated the Torah yet? Jesus was never a Professor, and neither were many Yoruba heroes of old! That said, other Professors support the claim that Yorubas are descendants of Jacob. All knowledge and wisdom is not written.

The Nigeria of today is a boiling pot of descendants of the biblical Israelites, Arabs, Egyptians and many of the tribes around them, living together like they did in biblical times. You may belong to one of those assimilated by the Yorubas.

I will choose not to waste further time in a back and forth because i believe all my earlier posts were substantial enough on this topic but that bolded part is just hilarious grin grin grin really? i embrace everything western and reject my traditions and identity grin grin grin says the guy who not only is ignorant of yoruba traditions but worships an imported god and wants to be hebrew so bad he doesnt mind tarnishing and ridiculing his ancestors
How did the knowledge of hebrews get to you? was it not the western powers who thought it would be to their benefit to convert you to their religion, which you follow all so gleefully. If these western powers never converted you would you be christian?
lmao now hebrew is your identity grin grin lost soul ...but hebrew is not yoruba identity

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 5:38pm On Dec 01, 2018
So yoruba came from israel but forgot , but somehow traditionalists dont know this, it takes a christian who knows nothing of yoruba traditions to find this out grin grin grin
Like i said your religion has fried your brain

The current Ooni of Ife (Kabiyesi Enitan Ogunwusi)acknowledges that Christianity and Islam came out of our traditional religion. There is a video of him making the acknowledgement, and in the same video he mentions that the first person to create congregatory style of worship is a gentleman by the name 'Ogun Osoosi'. My own further research led me to the root word for Church. I found 'Circe'. Now, I can assure you that 'Circe' is an European rendering of 'Soosi' which later became Church, and is still used in other European languages. Where have you been? ����

Heard that Greek 'myth' of Zeus abducting a black woman by the name Europa from Africa, with whom he created the first civilisation with? No?

Homework : Say the word 'Yoruba' 10 times. Now say the word 'Europa' 10 times (say it like an European). Now say each word one after the other until you get the point I am trying to make! grin grin grin grin I know you are brainy!

The Yoruba, by whatever name they may have been known by in ancient times, have been around for a veeeeeeeeeery long time, and Britain knows this!
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 5:48pm On Dec 01, 2018
Contd from my previous post.....

Again, on the Yoruba having been around a looooooong time, When the Yoruba say 'a kii bo'gi bo'pe ki igba irunmole o ma gbe'ni', they are referencing the 200 defecting angels that descended into Mt Hermon in the beginnings of time. You know the status of that site today who controls it? There is history in what people think are mere/evil 'incantations'. In fact in many of the Old sayings, you will find words that are present in Modern Hebrew, and scenarios that connect you back to the Hebrew roots.
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by macof(m): 6:54pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben:


The current Ooni of Ife (Kabiyesi Enitan Ogunwusi)acknowledges that Christianity and Islam came out of our traditional religion. There is a video of him making the acknowledgement, and in the same video he mentions that the first person to create congregatory style of worship is a gentleman by the name 'Ogun Osoosi'. My own further research led me to the root word for Church. I found 'Circe'. Now, I can assure you that 'Circe' is an European rendering of 'Soosi' which later became Church, and is still used in other European languages. Where have you been? ����

Heard that Greek 'myth' of Hercules abducting a black woman by the name Europa from Africa, with whom he created the first civilisation with? No?


Homework : Say the word 'Yoruba' 10 times. Now say the word 'Europa' 10 times (say it like an European). Now say each word one after the other until you get the point I am trying to make! grin grin grin grin I know you are brainy!

The Yoruba, by whatever name they may have been known by in ancient times, have been around for a veeeeeeeeeery long time, and Britain knows this!
lmao Ooni ogunwusi who has had a hard time coming to terms with his traditional duties which normally stand in contrast with his christian beliefs? same ogunwusi with no traditional background? same ogunwusi who said tower of babel and garden of eden are in Ife?

Sane people will take that seriously only if the etymology of Osoosi relates with church. 'church' etymologically means 'what belongs to the Lord' from greek 'kuriakon'. 'Osoosi' could mean 'guardian of the water bird' (who happens to be associated a lot with birds) or 'guardian on the left', it could also simply be a shortened form of a compound name but whatever the case it would be taken seriously when people are provided with the relation in etymology. how did kuriakon become osoosi
And i thought you said yorubas are hebrews? hebrews do not use any form of the word 'church', their place of worship is synagogue and hebrews have no business with a church

One problem with you lost and confused souls is that you never stick to one argument, you never drive one point through to fruition but quickly reach a wall and turn to pick up another claim and point of argument, then that one gets out of reach and you pick another one leaving nothing but a mess behind you

@bold, Zeus, Phoenicia, semitic woman not Hercules, Africa, black woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(consort_of_Zeus)

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 7:00pm On Dec 01, 2018
macof:


I will choose not to waste further time in a back and forth because i believe all my earlier posts were substantial enough on this topic but that bolded part is just hilarious grin grin grin really? i embrace everything western and reject my traditions and identity grin grin grin says the guy who not only is ignorant of yoruba traditions but worships an imported god and wants to be hebrew so bad he doesnt mind tarnishing and ridiculing his ancestors
How did the knowledge of hebrews get to you? was it not the western powers who thought it would be to their benefit to convert you to their religion, which you follow all so gleefully. If these western powers never converted you would you be christian?
lmao now hebrew is your identity grin grin lost soul ...but hebrew is not yoruba identity

Did you miss the bit where I told you Jesus/Yeshua/Eisu/Eshu is not foreign to the Yoruba? I acknowledge that Christianity and Islam are from the Yoruba religion. Or do you just like arguing for the sake of it? Or are you just angry that YeHoWah who is the owner of all languages bypassed you and all your Professors to give the accurate decoding of Paleo-Hebrew to a non-professor? wink wink wink Learning requires openmindedness, my 'lost' brother.

I am proud to be an oYOiRUaBAoore(of the Hii-aBa-ooRe translated as Hebrew by the English), called by Oba Adeda Aseda Ameda to be set apart!
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 7:15pm On Dec 01, 2018
Hercules was written in error. I corrected before I saw your correction. Thanks.
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 7:37pm On Dec 01, 2018
macof:

lmao Ooni ogunwusi who has had a hard time coming to terms with his traditional duties which normally stand in contrast with his christian beliefs? same ogunwusi with no traditional background? same ogunwusi who said tower of babel and garden of eden are in Ife?

Yes, he did acknowledge both religions are from the Yoruba traditional 'religion'. On your allegation of his Babel and Ife claim, I will do my own research.


Sane people will take that seriously only if the etymology of Osoosi relates with church. 'church' etymologically means 'what belongs to the Lord' from greek 'kuriakon'. 'Osoosi' could mean 'guardian of the water bird' (who happens to be associated a lot with birds) or 'guardian on the left', it could also simply be a shortened form of a compound name but whatever the case it would be taken seriously when people are provided with the relation in etymology. how did kuriakon become osoosi
And i thought you said yorubas are hebrews? hebrews do not use any form of the word 'church', their place of worship is synagogue and hebrews have no business with a church

My 'sane' Professor, so Kuriakon became Circe or became Church? I will look into it, Sir.

One problem with you lost and confused souls is that you never stick to one argument, you never drive one point through to fruition but quickly reach a wall and turn to pick up another claim and point of argument, then that one gets out of reach and you pick another one leaving nothing but a mess behind you.

....... The point you came back to make? Mr Kofeso, you haven't said anything worth learning from or researching in the bit above.

@ bold, Zeus, Phoenicia, semitic woman not Hercules, Africa, black woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(consort_of_Zeus)


Herculed/Zeus error corrected prior'to your post, Sir. Thank you.
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 9:47pm On Dec 01, 2018
macof:
lmao. funny how the hebrew word for catastrophe is "shoah" (שואה) a clear usage of the "sh" sound.
rather than make ridiculous claims, why not post a semitic linguists report on hebrew language not having the feature you say.......

You do realise that Modern Hebrew is a mishmash of Ancient Hebrew words mostly with 'guessed' vowels +Yiddish + loans from Arabic, Greek and other languages. The correct Ancient Hebrew words are straight up Yoruba words, and many others have their vowels and consonants incorrectly placed, which when you correctly place them yield Yoruba words.

Don't learn Ancient Hebrew (Ancient Yoruba) from the Yiddish speakers (Ashkenazi / Khazarian 'Jews' of European origin), their professors included! cool


('Khazarian' added in edit).
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by MetaPhysical: 11:18pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben,
Thanks for your several input. Personally I believe research into Yoruba origin and past must be done via a multi-faceted approach. The oral, written, artwork, spirituality, esoteric cults, religion, cuisine, language, priesthood, kingship, articles of statehood, philosophies like Omoluabi, proverbs and folklores, genetic and immune system, clothing and styling, war and weapons, and so on and so forth....are interesting points that can be inspected. Some of them are outside the scope of what any empirical research or scholarship can discover. For instance if we submit our priesthood to academy to explain they will miss the target because the concept of offering, which is at the root of priesthood, is an esoteric knowledge derived through power of inspiration and contact with nature....it is consistent with faith but inconsistent with the process of logical learning in academy. Therefore, I should forewarn you that you will encounter a heavy push back here from academically planted pre-suppositions that many contributors are incapable of shedding. Do not lock down into a back and forth argument. Just share what you are inspired with and what you know. There are many of us here that have been enlightened through an alternate way of reviewing Yoruba origin, and we will support you. There are many ways, each to his/her own.

Keep up the good work! grin

I'm following you by the way.

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by MetaPhysical: 11:28pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben:


You do realise that Modern Hebrew is a mishmash of Ancient Hebrew words mostly with 'guessed' vowels +Yiddish + loans from Arabic, Greek and other languages. The correct Ancient Hebrew words are straight up Yoruba words, and many others have their vowels and consonants incorrectly placed, which when you correctly place them yield Yoruba words.

Don't learn Ancient Hebrew (Ancient Yoruba) from the Yiddish speakers (Ashkenazi 'Jews' of European origin), their professors included! cool


You take any ancient Hebrew root word and vowelize it, it magically turns into Yoruba...right there in your face. The truth is self-bearing, it does not to be sold to people. We have gone through this exercise here many many many times. People are hardened to what was taught them, and are afraid of opening their conscience to fly beyond the limits of the mind. We must sympathize with them, not force or deny their fears. grin

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by OlaoChi: 11:29pm On Dec 01, 2018
MetaPhysical:
want2knowben,
Thanks for your several input. Personally I believe research into Yoruba origin and past must be done via a multi-faceted approach. The oral, written, artwork, spirituality, esoteric cults, religion, cuisine, language, priesthood, kingship, articles of statehood, philosophies like Omoluabi, proverbs and folklores, genetic and immune system, clothing and styling, war and weapons, and so on and so forth....are interesting points that can be inspected. Some of them are outside the scope of what any empirical research or scholarship can discover. For instance if we submit our priesthood to academy to explain they will miss the target because the concept of offering, which is at the root of priesthood, is an esoteric knowledge derived through power of inspiration and contact with nature.... it is consistent with faith but inconsistent with the process of logical learning in academy . Therefore, I should forewarn you that you will encounter a heavy push back here from academically planted pre-suppositions that many contributors are incapable of shedding. Do not lock down into a back and forth argument. Just share what you are inspired with and what you know. There are many of us here that have been enlightened through an alternate way of reviewing Yoruba origin, and we will support you. There are many ways, each to his/her own.

Keep up the good work! grin

I'm following you by the way.

Its funny how you people constantly expose yourselves as frauds but still bold enough to deny it when it's so clear

you describe yourself as one whose idea of history is based on faith rather than logical learning.
Pure nonsense

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by OlaoChi: 11:36pm On Dec 01, 2018
macof:


Like i have said, anybody who wants to be anything than what he really is will look for something and find something.
if you wanted to be Chinese, you will find Chinese connection , if you wanted to be native american you will find a connection

1. provide evidence that the same method of proving virginity is used only by the hebrews and Yoruba and no other people
2. i already made clear that the reason for new yam festivals in west africa (not just yorubaland) is different from the idea of first fruits.
Let me explain more.
New yam festivals are purely a celebration of a succesful harvest, in many towns this signifies the beginning of the year as the ifa festival signifies the beginning of the year in Ile-ife.
first fruits are however a lot more than mere harvest celebrations but payments to the priests and sacrifice to the isreali deity, the first fruit has no calendar significance and is not an elaborate celebration, it is a sacrificial event.

but because you want to be hebrew so bad, you see connection where there is none, assuming you wanted to be chinese you would talk about the Mid-Autumn festival which is also an harvest festival that takes place around the same time as new yam festivals in west africa.


4. i would like to see a detailed account of Jewish naming ceremony with its source being a renowned Rabbi stating it must be 8 days after birth.
Because as far as i know, hebrew traditions have always left naming a baby to be free choice of the parents, babies can be named the day they are born with no ceremony at all...its not even a part of hebrew traditions

5. Omi Ayelal is for crimes different crimes, hebrew bitter water is specifically for women accused of adultery. the process of making Omi ayelala is also diferent from that of the Bitter water.

6. any evidence?

7. good thing you called it 'coincidence'. because that is just what they are. Have you tried looking for such coincidences in other people? Have you tried yoruba connection with the japanese, or yoruba connection with egypt, or yoruba connection with germans?
You will find many, especially when you are willing to twisting some facts a little towards your argument

What you lack however is evidence

Watch how they ignore questions and run away from proving their claims.

Its all faith based
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by MetaPhysical: 11:40pm On Dec 01, 2018
want2knowben,
Please post a link to Jejeola's work. I'd love to read what he has.
Thanks.

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by 0balufonlll: 7:16am On Dec 02, 2018
Ogun Osoosi was a war, hunting and security personage in the primordial times that picked sides with Obatala in the Ife civil war.

Osoosi = eni ti o so osi (to keep vigil against nonsense/dirt/evil/bad luck).

While Ogun Osoosi picked Obatala's team, the Ogun Laadin & Ogun Olakariaye (Lakaaye) picked sides with Oduduwa. If you had been here, you would see his place in the temple is between the two doors leading into the main temple which we now prefer to call a palace anyway.


The Ooni in these past years has been caught up with carrying his office into Christianity but he met a brick-wall and adopted another approach - a kind of syncretism but the one that takes out the core of Yoruba religion and fits Christianity and Islam into the resultant voids. The Ooni wanted to be able to bind Christianity to Yoruba religion in order for him to keep people from attacking him when he does his church things. Ife people saw through the charade and they have reined him in. Kabiyesi is learning on the job of his office and getting better at it by the year. So it will be best you ignore many religion/history related claims he made years ago.

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 3:02pm On Dec 02, 2018
0balufonlll:
Ogun Osoosi was a war, hunting and security personage in the primordial times that picked sides with Obatala in the Ife civil war.

Osoosi = eni ti o so osi (to keep vigil against nonsense/dirt/evil/bad luck).

While Ogun Osoosi picked Obatala's team, the Ogun Laadin & Ogun Olakariaye (Lakaaye) picked sides with Oduduwa. If you had been here, you would see his place in the temple is between the two doors leading into the main temple which we now prefer to call a palace anyway.


The Ooni in these past years has been caught up with carrying his office into Christianity but he met a brick-wall and adopted another approach - a kind of syncretism but the one that takes out the core of Yoruba religion and fits Christianity and Islam into the resultant voids. The Ooni wanted to be able to bind Christianity to Yoruba religion in order for him to keep people from attacking him when he does his church things. Ife people saw through the charade and they have reined him in. Kabiyesi is learning on the job of his office and getting better at it by the year. So it will be best you ignore many religion/history related claims he made years ago.

I made the link between 'Osoosi' and 'Circe' and 'Church', was mine and not the Oonirisa's.

I agree with his claim that Christianity and Islam came from the Yoruba religion (which is the true Judaism, not Judaism as the world knows it today). That you can translate the Torah correctly by vowelising the consonants to yield Yoruba words, that match the accounts of the Bible and even yield additional information that was missed in KJV translation (because they didn't understand Yoruba/Hebrew enough) is proof enough. No other unfabricated living language is able to do thate.

We had a system of writing and more before the Oyinbos came. Cameroon has discovered it's own ancient writing script. Paleo-Hebrew is the Yoruba's ancient script. It is also called the Samaritan script. Ancient Hebrew was never dead and the ten tribes of Israel never left earth; the world lied because they had an agenda.

The identity of the Israelites, the Arabs and the Egyptians were stolen. The world will continue to subjugate them until they return to God's true path. They need to know their true identity to rightfully take back their place on earth.

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 3:06pm On Dec 02, 2018
MetaPhysical:
want2knowben,
Please post a link to Jejeola's work. I'd love to read what he has.
Thanks.

I will post shortly.
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 3:10pm On Dec 02, 2018
OlaoChi:


Watch how they ignore questions and run away from proving their claims.

Its all faith based

You go investigate the claims, if you suspect them to be false.

That you can translate the Torah correctly by vowelising the consonants to yield Yoruba words, that match the accounts of the Bible and even yield additional information that was missed in KJV translation (because they didn't understand Yoruba/Hebrew enough) is proof enough. No other unfabricated living language is able to do that. Paleo-Hebrew is the Yoruba's ancient script. It is also called the Samaritan script. The people who own the language are the same people who have the traditions and customs.

If that does not convince you, try your hand at vowelising the Torah to yield your language of choice and bring it back here to share with us!

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Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 3:18pm On Dec 02, 2018
OlaoChi:


Its funny how you people constantly expose yourselves as frauds but still bold enough to deny it when it's so clear

you describe yourself as one whose idea of history is based on faith rather than logical learning.
Pure nonsense

...... and you ignore this part of his post:

Thanks for your several input. Personally I believe research into Yoruba origin and past must be done via a multi-faceted approach. The oral, written, artwork, spirituality, esoteric cults, religion, cuisine, language, priesthood, kingship, articles of statehood, philosophies like Omoluabi, proverbs and folklores, genetic and immune system, clothing and styling, war and weapons, and so on and so forth....are interesting points that can be inspected. Some of them are outside the scope of what any empirical research or scholarship can discover.
Re: Who Are These Yorubas? by want2knowben: 4:19pm On Dec 02, 2018
MetaPhysical:
want2knowben,
Thanks for your several input. Personally I believe research into Yoruba origin and past must be done via a multi-faceted approach. The oral, written, artwork, spirituality, esoteric cults, religion, cuisine, language, priesthood, kingship, articles of statehood, philosophies like Omoluabi, proverbs and folklores, genetic and immune system, clothing and styling, war and weapons, and so on and so forth....are interesting points that can be inspected. Some of them are outside the scope of what any empirical research or scholarship can discover. For instance if we submit our priesthood to academy to explain they will miss the target because the concept of offering, which is at the root of priesthood, is an esoteric knowledge derived through power of inspiration and contact with nature....it is consistent with faith but inconsistent with the process of logical learning in academy. Therefore, I should forewarn you that you will encounter a heavy push back here from academically planted pre-suppositions that many contributors are incapable of shedding. Do not lock down into a back and forth argument. Just share what you are inspired with and what you know. There are many of us here that have been enlightened through an alternate way of reviewing Yoruba origin, and we will support you. There are many ways, each to his/her own.

Keep up the good work! grin

I'm following you by the way.

Thanks. My intentions are to share what I know or I am researching and that's why I didn't follow arguments I identified as blind. It is such a shame that many of our educated people limit their learning to what their 'Professors' say/found. This is why there is hardly any innovation coming out of Nigerian academic institutions. They have become places to learn what is obsolete in today's society. Scholarly academic works (home and abroad) keep showing there are links between the Yoruba and the Ancient Hebrews but only a Non-academic decided to go outside the boundaries, and he found the supposedly dead language of the Ancient Hebrews was still well alive spoken by the Yorubas.

Mama Sikira the Hairdresser and Biodun the Tailor keep inventing new hair and dress Styles every few months but we fail to teach and encourage genius and invention in our schools. Even the Slaves found time to invent 'technology'. Everyone young or old, educated or not has the ability and right to be able to think outside the box.

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