Maria-Goretti:
...so kneeling before that of crucified jesus is also not acceptable by you?

naijadeyhia:

Wow what a lopsided response. Why then did Jesus begin his response with the words "ON THE CONTRARY"? This shows a refutation of the statement from the woman in the crowd

ochongonoko:
Smh.. That means to say the THOUSAND names listed in the bible which THEIR TIME OR PLACE of birth was mentioned are God or Jesus?. What are you even talking about?. Did the bible list the PLACE of birth of every name in it?. Smh

naijadeyhia:

Wow what a lopsided response. Why then did Jesus begin his response with the words "ON THE CONTRARY"? This shows a refutation of the statement from the woman in the crowd

Maria-Goretti:
On the contrary/ rather simply means ''indicating one's preference in a particular matter.

The matter he was dicussing has nothing to do with the what the woman exclaimed. So, instead of diversing, he steered the wheel back to the matter he was on using that too...

C'mon.

naijadeyhia: [b]"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats..." (1st Timothy 4:1-3). It's not difficult at all to EXPOSE the demonic Catholic faith if a person is simply willing to believe the Bible over Catholic tradition--but that's the BIG PROBLEM ... Jesus said in Matthew 15:9, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." The Bible teaches that Peter had a wife (Matthew 8:14). Yet, Catholic priests are wrongfully denied the God-given privilege to marry. The results have been tragic.

It's almost impossible to convince a Catholic that all of their priests, archbishops, cardinals, and even the Popes are heretics. I can tell you with great certain my friend--they are all LIARS! How can I be so bold as to say such a thing? It's simply because I have in my hand the eternal, inspired, inerrant, infallible, preserved, Words of God. Most Catholics DON'T genuinely believe the Bible. Rather, they have sold their souls to a bunch of religious charlatans (priests) who commit blasphemy by claiming to have the power to forgive your sins.

Even the self-righteous hypocritical Pharisees knew better than to be so arrogant as to claim the power to forgive someone's sin ... "And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying ... Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" Woe unto the Catholic Church, for it is a prisonhouse of religion. Romans 10:3,4 proclaims, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."[/b]

naijadeyhia: [b]In the Catholic Catechism (part 3) you'll read the following words of blasphemy...

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."[70] The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

That is what Catholic men teach; but it's not what God says, “THOU SHALT NOT BOW DOWN THYSELF TO THEM.”

First of all, not bowing to a graven image is the 2nd command, not the first. The evil men who wrote the preceding Catholic Catechism deceitfully split the 10th commandment into two to make up for the missing 2nd commandment. Why are there two commandments telling us not to covet? It seems mighty strange don't you think? It's obvious what the Devil has done here. You can't just eliminate the 2nd Commandment!

Secondly, the quoted passage I have given you from the Catholic Catechism is blasphemy. God clearly warns us in Exodus 20:4-5 NOT to make unto ourselves ANY graven images.

Catholics attempt to justify their idolatry by comparing what they do to the brazen serpent in the Wilderness in Moses' time. The children of Israel had murmured (complained) so much that God decided to judge them with fiery serpents. 16,000 Israelites had already died and Moses pleaded with the Lord to spare Israel. God told Moses to fabricate a serpent made of brass, to hold it up before the Jews, and tell them to look unto the serpent to live. That serpent symbolized Jesus Christ, Who became as sin to save us.

This is why we read in John 3:14-15, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." Carefully notice that the brazen serpent was God's idea, not Moses. God never told us ANYWHERE in the Word of God to make a statue of anyone nor anything. The Israelites were instructed to “look” to the serpent (which pictured Christ) so they could live. The people were NOT instructed to bow, honor, nor pray to the brazen serpent (statue).

It is sinful for Catholics to attempt to justify their idolatry by taking the incident of the brazen serpent out of context. The entire focus of the brazen serpent is to LOOK TO JESUS TO LIVE. Isaiah 45:22, " Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." It is a sin to look to Mary.

The Catholics can devilishly call their idolatry "Respectful Veneration" if they want to, but it's a direct violation of the 2nd Commandment (which they don't have in Catholicism). Anything can be justified if one is willing to twist the truth far enough. The FACT of the matter is that neither Jesus, nor any of the Apostles, elevated Mary in any capacity. Yet Catholics have created a monstrosity of adoration toward Mary, refusing to obey the Scriptures. Jesus Christ is magnified in the Word of God, not Mary. A standard Rosary contains 53 Hail Marys. It is sinful idolatry[/b]

naijadeyhia: [size=15pt][b]The Catholic Church is Cursed![/size]

Galatians 1:9, “As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

Acts 10:43 simply states, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” This is the simple Gospel, i.e., Good News of Christ crucified and risen. The Bible declares that all men are guilty sinners, guilty of breaking God's Laws (Romans 3:19-23), and that there is a penalty for those sins, which is death (Romans 6:23). But thanks be to God, in His wondrous love, God sent His only begotten Son into the world to pay for our sins. Jesus paid a debt that He did not owe, because we owed a debt we could not pay. The Gospel is simply that we are sinners in need of a Savior, Who is Christ Jesus, the God-man, the Son of God.

Now the Catholic religion comes along and says something entirely different. The Vatican teaches that it's not enough to simply trust upon the Lord for salvation. They also require their followers to join the Catholic Church. Then the Vatican requires it's members to be water baptized and partake of holy mass and perform a total of seven sacraments in order to be saved. These sacraments are not optional in Catholicism; but are mandatory for salvation within their religion. Catholics are also required to do good works, help the unfortunate, recite the Rosary and live a good life to get to Heaven. If a Catholic sins, they are required to confess their sins to a Catholic priest in a confessional booth to absolve any mortal sins, to avoid going to Hell. Catholics believe that a person who commits suicide automatically goes to Hell because they can't ask the priest to forgive them. How absurd! Ladies and gentleman, that is all a false gospel which the Catholic Church teaches.

In fact, it is no church at all. There is only one true church and its the New Testament church which Jesus started, which is composed of only born-again believers. The true church is not found in a building made with hands; but in the heart of every born-again believer. Jesus said, “Ye must be born again” (John 3:7).

In Galatians 1:9 the Apostle Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, plainly states that anyone who teaches a gospel different than the one taught in the Scriptures is CURSED! This means every Catholic priest is CURSED! The Pope is CURSED! Those who teach Mormonism, Buddhism, Baha'i Faith, Scientology, Seventh-Day Adventism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Judaism, Hinduism and Islam are CURSED! All of these religions teach a false gospel, a false plan of salvation. Jesus proclaimed that the only way to God the Father is through Himself, i.e., through the Lamb of God Who shed His blood to pay for our sins and redeem us back to God (John 14:6). Amen!

The popular public opinion today is that no one has a right to criticize someone else's beliefs. Whatever happened to free speech? I have every right to criticize your beliefs, and you mine. Now I don't have a right to be mean or unkind to you, but you're going to accuse me of that anyway because I'm criticizing your beliefs. This is the nature of a free-speech society. People get upset. It is not unkind to criticize someone's beliefs or opinions. Only in a truly free society is it safe to be unpopular.

So I say to you, the Catholic Church is demonic, of the Devil and straight-out-of-the-pits-of-Hell. Luke 11:44,52, “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them... for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.” Jesus ripped and scathed the religious hypocrites of His time, whom we still have with us today in larger numbers. Jesus said they are like open graves, traps, waiting for their next victim. The Lord accused them of corrupting the gospel to prevent people from getting saved. The gospel of the Catholic Church is a perverted gospel of death, a trap door leading into Hell, a cursed teaching.

Oh, listen my friend, if religion could save you and me, then Jesus wouldn't have had to bleed and die for our sins. Religion wants to fit us with glasses; but Jesus wants to open our eyes. You don't need the Catholic Church to go to Heaven, you just need Jesus. You don't need ANY religion or church to get to Heaven, you just need Jesus. You don't need good works to get to Heaven, you just need Jesus. You don't need water baptism to get to Heaven, you just need Jesus. You don't need to stop living in sin to go to Heaven, you just need Jesus. When Jesus saves you, then He'll do a work in your heart that'll cause you to want to stop living in sin; but all you need to be saved is Jesus. You don't need to keep the seven sacraments to get to Heaven, you just need Jesus. You don't have to confess your sins to a priest to be forgiven, you just need Jesus. JESUS! JESUS! JESUS![/b]

spongebuny:

The Protestant Failure to go to the Source Error, Keeps Them in Error:
When discussing the teachings of the Catholic Church, Protestants will invariably espouse what they have heard from other Protestants, while at the same time failing to go to the source of Catholic teaching, the Catholic Church itself, in order to find the truth of what it really teaches.
If you were going to buy a Ford, would you go to a Chevrolet dealer to ask his advice about the Ford? What would he tell you? No, an intelligent person would go to the source, the Ford dealer.
Why then, do Protestants not go to the Catholic Church to find the truth of Catholic teaching?
Ignorance of the Catholic Church is ignorance of Christ, since the Catholic Church is His body.

naijadeyhia:


On the Contrary simply is a correction from an error. It is an opposition to something and nothing more. Let me site an example. "I am acting contrary to popular opinion" This means I am doing the very opposite. What Jesus said was the very opposite of what the woman in the crowd wanted people to think. She never distracted anyone, Jesus only corrected her by telling her the truth which was in opposition to her belief

naijadeyhia: [b]In the Catholic Catechism (part 3) you'll read the following words of blasphemy...

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."[70] The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

That is what Catholic men teach; but it's not what God says, “THOU SHALT NOT BOW DOWN THYSELF TO THEM.”

First of all, not bowing to a graven image is the 2nd command, not the first. The evil men who wrote the preceding Catholic Catechism deceitfully split the 10th commandment into two to make up for the missing 2nd commandment. Why are there two commandments telling us not to covet? It seems mighty strange don't you think? It's obvious what the Devil has done here. You can't just eliminate the 2nd Commandment!

Secondly, the quoted passage I have given you from the Catholic Catechism is blasphemy. God clearly warns us in Exodus 20:4-5 NOT to make unto ourselves ANY graven images.

Catholics attempt to justify their idolatry by comparing what they do to the brazen serpent in the Wilderness in Moses' time. The children of Israel had murmured (complained) so much that God decided to judge them with fiery serpents. 16,000 Israelites had already died and Moses pleaded with the Lord to spare Israel. God told Moses to fabricate a serpent made of brass, to hold it up before the Jews, and tell them to look unto the serpent to live. That serpent symbolized Jesus Christ, Who became as sin to save us.

This is why we read in John 3:14-15, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." Carefully notice that the brazen serpent was God's idea, not Moses. God never told us ANYWHERE in the Word of God to make a statue of anyone nor anything. The Israelites were instructed to “look” to the serpent (which pictured Christ) so they could live. The people were NOT instructed to bow, honor, nor pray to the brazen serpent (statue).

It is sinful for Catholics to attempt to justify their idolatry by taking the incident of the brazen serpent out of context. The entire focus of the brazen serpent is to LOOK TO JESUS TO LIVE. Isaiah 45:22, " Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." It is a sin to look to Mary.

The Catholics can devilishly call their idolatry "Respectful Veneration" if they want to, but it's a direct violation of the 2nd Commandment (which they don't have in Catholicism). Anything can be justified if one is willing to twist the truth far enough. The FACT of the matter is that neither Jesus, nor any of the Apostles, elevated Mary in any capacity. Yet Catholics have created a monstrosity of adoration toward Mary, refusing to obey the Scriptures. Jesus Christ is magnified in the Word of God, not Mary. A standard Rosary contains 53 Hail Marys. It is sinful idolatry[/b]

naijadeyhia:


Hahaha hehehe read your own mediocre copy and paste material. If i need to know more about God i will go to God i will go to His Holy Spirit and not to some church simply because even the church draws inspiration from the Spirit of God. Catholic teachings indeed. Thank God you call it catholic teachings and not Gods teachings. Hold fast to your catholic teachings and i will do same to mine. The fire of God will try all and then we shall see.

Maria-Goretti:

My dear, we are still saying the same thing...
Ok, tell me, how come about that exclamation from the woman? Did she just see Jesus and exclaimed that?

Luke 11:28
''But Jesus answered, ''RATHER, how happy are those who hear the word of God and obey it (Goodnews bible version).


Dictionary meaning of ''contrary and rather''
CONTRARY.....
1. OpPOSITE IN NATURE, DIRECTION, OR MEANING
2. (OF 2 STATEMENTS, BELEIFS, ETC) OPPOSED TO ONE ANOTHER.


RATHER...
1. Indicating one's preference in a particular matter.
2. To a certain or significant extent or degree
3. On the contrary
4. More precisely
5. Instead of; as oppossed to.

naijadeyhia:


Hahaha hehehe read your own mediocre copy and paste material. If i need to know more about God i will go to God i will go to His Holy Spirit and not to some church simply because even the church draws inspiration from the Spirit of God. Catholic teachings indeed. Thank God you call it catholic teachings and not Gods teachings. Hold fast to your catholic teachings and i will do same to mine. The fire of God will try all and then we shall see.

CAMEROONPRIDE: God is Catholic, maybe that's why u hate and envy us so much . Our teachings come straight from God.deal with it

spongebuny: The Error of the Protestant Lie:
"But as for the cowardly and unbelieving, and abominable and murderers, and fornicators and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their portion shall be in the pool that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Revelation 21:8, ignored by all liars. See Rev 21:27 also.

It is a foregone conclusion that Jesus Christ founded only one Church.

1) Why then, do Protestants ignore this fact and continue to splinter the Body of Christ?

2) There is no Protestant who can trace his or her church back any farther than the Protestant revolt of the early 16th century.
Where is the verse which authorized them to break from the true Church in the first place?

3) No Protestant can show that their church was founded by Jesus Christ, yet Scripture says there is only one Church, the one founded by GOD (Psalms 127:1, Matthew 16:18).

4) They deny that the Catholic Church is the Church which Jesus Christ founded, yet they cannot name the Church which He did found in its stead. Isn't it strange that Scripture has said that GOD's Church will last forever (Isaiah 2:2,59:21, Matthew 28:20, Ephesians 3:21), and yet Protestants refuse to name it? If Scripture can be believed at all, why then do they refuse to name GOD's one and only Church?

5) They cannot name the person who founded the Catholic Church while at the same time they deny that it was Jesus Christ. That is strange also, since every Church on earth was founded by a person with a name. Every single one of the tens of thousands of Protestant sects can be traced back to a human person with a name, as its founder. Why is it that Protestants refuse to name the founder of the Catholic Church?
Isn't that the epitome of arrogance as I touched upon in a previous segment?

6) Why do Protestants spread the lie that the Catholic Church apostatized soon after the last Apostle died, and therefore the Church of today is not the one that Jesus Christ founded?
This lie flies in the face of Matthew 16:18, as Protestants must then have to admit that the 'gates of hell' did indeed prevail, that the Bible was in error, and that all of the verses I have previously listed that promise the perpetuality of Christ's Church must be in error as well. This so-called "great apostasy" lie is then magnified a hundredfold since no Protestant can produce genuine historical documents which record such a "monumental, universe shaking event". Every writer who was alive at the time had to have witnessed that supposed "profound event", and those who have lived ever since (up until the time that the lie was invented by Protestantism), did not write about it either. What with the "greatest event since the crucifixion" at hand, why didn't they? It is because it never happened, that's why. Simply put, "No lie is of the truth", 1John 2:21, so therefore no lie can be proven.
Scripture does say that people within Christ's Church will apostatize, but not the Church itself. For you see, it is impossible, since Christ is the Head, and the Church is His Body.
How could the Body of Christ rebel against, and leave His Head? They are inseparable forever.

"Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." Ephesians 5:22-23
Okay Protestants, explain those verses? Is Christ really the Savior of His Body, or did He desert it as Protestantism would have us believe? Is Holy Scripture in error yet again according to Protestant false charges?
Are we to believe the Protestant lie, or the truth of the Word of GOD?
Do you recall the story of the wheat and the chaff, where the weeds will co-exist with the righteous up until the very end, and then they will be separated out and burned (Matthew 13:24-30)?

"For, in the first place, when you assemble as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you; and I partly believe it, for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized." 1Corinthians 11:18-19.
From those two verses we have a perfect example of the apostasy of individuals within the Church, those who cause divisions and factions. Now from what I have shown in many places in this writing, just who is the cause of divisions and factions? It is none other than Protestantism. Protestantism has already created over 36,000 divisions and factions, and which number is still increasing unceasingly every week to this very day.
Who are the 'genuine among you'?
They are the faithful of the one and only Church that Jesus Christ founded and which is still with us after almost 2000 years of persecution. Read Acts 5:38-39 for the reason why this longevity.
For those who continue to spread the lie of the so-called, and non-existent, "great apostasy", please re-read Revelation 21:8, and endeavor to explain Ephesians 5:23-24?

7) How many verses have I shown in this writing that Protestants ignore? Isn't it a lie to say that you follow Scripture literally to the word, and yet ignore so many Scriptural verses?

Why do Protestants take the whole Bible literally except for John chapter 6, which they call symbolic? One chapter in the whole Bible is symbolic? How can that be true?

9) How can Protestants say that Sola Scriptura has been in use from day one, when for over 1400 years almost no one had a Bible, and even if they did, the great majority of the masses were illiterate anyhow?

10) Since Protestants believe that "all Scripture is inspired (2Tim 3:16)", then why aren't the gospels of Peter, Philip, Nicodemus, Bartholomew, Andrew, Thomas, etc, in their Bible?

11) Where in Holy Scripture did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith is to be solely based on a book? How about the same question except for using the Apostles instead of Jesus?

12) Why do Protestants say it is the Bible which is the pillar and foundation of truth when the Bible clearly says it is the Church (1Tim 3:15)? Please give me the name of that Church?

13) Why do Protestants reject Apostolic Tradition when the Bible clearly says, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold the teachings that you have learned, whether by word or by letter of ours."
2Thessalonians 2:15, yet another verse ignored, and taught against by Protestantism.

14) Why do Protestants deny that the Bible came from the Catholic Church when they cannot name a truthful and provable alternate source, and where there are literally hundreds of genuine historical documents which prove them to be wrong in their denial?

15) Protestants deny that Peter was given primacy in Matthew 16:18. Nothing in Scripture is done without a purpose. For what purpose then, did Jesus change Simon's name to Peter?

16) Why do Protestants deny that the Papacy is Scriptural, when in fact, it is very Scriptural?

17) Why is it that Protestants can never supply genuine historical documents to "prove" their false charges? Is it because the lie can never be proven, but the truth can be?
It is simple, if you have no truth, then you have no proof.
Catholics can, and do, supply genuine historical documents to prove what they teach.
Why then do Protestants refuse to read them? Romans 1:18, 2:8

18) Why do Protestants deny the unbroken line of succession of Popes down through the centuries from St. Peter to the present Pope, when the Catholic Church has given free access for anyone to research genuine historical documents to prove it to be true, but Protestants refuse to read them? Anyone can go to a secular encyclopedia and see the same succession of Popes.

19) Why do Protestants deny that the Catholic Church has existed from the first century, when hundreds of genuine historical documents, written by scores of Holy men and women, are freely available to prove them wrong in their denial? However, Protestants simply refuse to read them. As explained earlier, Protestants teach that history ended with Acts 28:30 and did not begin again until Luther came along.

"But there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known."
Luke 12:2

"Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers (includes those who lie and reject the truth), and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous (those who follow the teaching of Christ through His one Church) will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." Matthew 13:40-43

"Do all things without grumbling or questioning, that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation,
among whom youshineaslightsintheworld."
Philippians 2:14-15

superior1:

Including collecting and praying to dead bones?

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