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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by adeboolusegun(m): 1:41pm On Aug 05, 2013
Thank you very much for this issue shared. Nigerians are not deaf,we re aware of this situation all over the country and yet we continue to die in silent. Imagin the on going strike in the country and yet the government pretended as if its minor and they back all ears. For the job providers who tink age is a factor for employment,if i may ask,how old are when u finished your 1st degree(d@s if u even go @ll)? Pls this issue has to be address and ensure all d plans to achieve the termination shlould be executed.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by Rasdagama: 1:45pm On Aug 05, 2013
ecolime: The system is really messed up. I believe we will get there one day.


Surely get there.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by Oruche456(m): 2:01pm On Aug 05, 2013
BrutusOj: Hmmmm,ur on point.But,if u can't beat them,Join them in d age cheat.I have 3 difrent birth certificates.One for bank jobs,One for uniform jobs(Military n paramilitary) and the other for civil service jobs.Thanks to N.E.C.O for not exposing ma real age
wot abt ur primary sch cert
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by bishopjoe02(m): 3:18pm On Aug 05, 2013
Izon-tubo:


You're correct bro.....but just how do we go about it......

If you ask me...I'd say REVOLUTION!!!!.......

cheesy

let write a letter to the minister of labour, which will be sign by millions of jobbers in Nigeria...will can also used the power of social media to spread this message to the whole of Nigeria.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by bishopjoe02(m): 3:22pm On Aug 05, 2013
alpha conde:

So you want to float association of united jobless nigerians

It can also be the biggest political party in africa

HAHAHAHAHAH...no buddy..i just want an alliance, but an association wont be bad....wat do u think
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by bishopjoe02(m): 3:30pm On Aug 05, 2013
AjanleKoko:

It might be more informative if you showed us a constitutional provision that prevents any employer from discriminating against any job-seeking Nigerian on the basis of age. Else, there is no point to your argument.

i try my best...why not continue the research from here

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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by adconline(m): 3:38pm On Aug 05, 2013
lagerwhenindoubt: The Truth is a lot of us made big mistakes early in Life for which we are paying the consequences.

The period in your life when you make the most of it is between 20-30 years old, after that you finish the race between 35-50 years old, from that point you prepare for retirement and God-willing, you party-hard, go on holidays and prepare your will because God can be a party-pooper at that age. grin grin

Most (Majorly Most) people play with their lives at a time when they should be learning, growing and making the best of their time preparing for the future. you can see it in our youths today. making mistakes that will be costly in the near future, they will come to nairaland then and complain
What did you accomplish at 21? What was ur greatest accomplishment at 25?

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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 4:07pm On Aug 05, 2013
adconline:
What did you accomplish at 21? What was ur greatest accomplishment at 25?

Nothing.. went to Uni very late (21) I don't think i have made any great accomplishments in life asides having 2 kids that i plan to train to play soccer grin i have a close friend though, he is just 36 and a Group CFO of a leading employer in Nigeria.. now that is an accomplishment for a young man .. ohh almost forgot. I am also an employer of labor in 2 SMEs, f'course you are aware that there are government/non-government agencies that can fund (have funded) your ideas smiley Ask Deji Alli of ARM how unemployment did not deter him from getting his ideas funded
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by NosaHenry(m): 5:01pm On Aug 05, 2013
i feel that employers are at liberty to employ whoever they want to employ. even when you stop them from advertising the age requirement in the papers, they can still use it secretly during the selection process.
My advise is that you should just work hard towards been self employed. you cannot beat the system.

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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by ogaju007(m): 5:21pm On Aug 05, 2013
This shows how backward Nigeria is in terms of Human Resources legislation. What has age got to do with your ability to perform? this kind of discrimination does not support nor help the poor. how about people that could only afford to go to uni after 30? Later some people will be comparing Nigeria to UK and US? hmmm i rest my case.

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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by PHIPEX(m): 5:49pm On Aug 05, 2013
The earlier this issue is settled by the court and prohibited the better for Nigerian youths. Months ago I was invited by KPMG for an aptitude test only to be turned back at their gate because according to them they just realised that am a year older than their cut-off age. Even though am out of the group of unemployed youths but many people are still constantly frustrated for reasons that are not of their making. Now ASUU is still making matters worse for our undergraduates tomorrow they will tell you our graduates are unemployable.

These are the kinds of bills those senators who couldn't sponsor a single bill in 2 yrs should catch in and make impact in our lives.

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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by ceeethru(m): 6:03pm On Aug 05, 2013
the question is that is our democracy precision?
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by smartjyke(m): 6:13pm On Aug 05, 2013
WOW !!!!!!!!!
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by 1forall: 6:15pm On Aug 05, 2013
Nosa-Henry:
i feel that employers are at liberty to employ whoever they want to employ. even when you stop them from advertising the age requirement in the papers, they can still use it secretly during the selection process.
My advise is that you should just work hard towards been self employed. you cannot beat the system.

If there was a law against it then it would be illegal for them to do so, hence anyone who feels discriminated against on that basis would have recourse to the law.

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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by Nobody: 6:40pm On Aug 05, 2013
AjanleKoko:

It might be more informative if you showed us a constitutional provision that prevents any employer from discriminating against any job-seeking Nigerian on the basis of age. Else, there is no point to your argument.

Thought I was the only one who didn't agree with him.
OP that was not the intention of the legislature. Discrimination based on age has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Section 42.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by Nobody: 6:53pm On Aug 05, 2013
BetaThings: No use arguing this matter if human beings will interview you
If government says no age limit, then people will still screen out older people at interviews
Afterall there is no requirement to disclose score sheet
Without putting age, it can be guessed from some dates on the CV

What if It's aim is to give the younger and fresh graduates a chance?
Let's look at it this way, a 32 year old graduate who was previously employed and has work experience and a 24 year old fresh graduate who has no work experience apply for the same job which does not 'discriminate' based on age. The 32 year old graduate has a greater chance of being picked. Where the firm now has a restriction on age, there is a higher chance of those graduates having the same qualifications or around the same qualifications.


I still don't agree with the poster though!
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by bishopjoe02(m): 8:24pm On Aug 05, 2013
poshdiva:

What if It's aim is to give the younger and fresh graduates a chance?
Let's look at it this way, a 32 year old graduate who was previously employed and has work experience and a 24 year old fresh graduate who has no work experience apply for the same job which does not 'discriminate' based on age. The 32 year old graduate has a greater chance of being picked. Where the firm now has a restriction on age, there is a higher chance of those graduates having the same qualifications or around the same qualifications.


I still don't agree with the poster though!
fresh and younger graduate? It seems u are still in school, majority of Nigeria, graduate between the age of 24-26, due to some economy reasöns, like Jamb, ASUU etc, plus the compulsory one year service, for those that have a spill-over (extension) d story is different, with these factors, how many Nigerians do u think will meet the age requirement set by most firms.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by free2ryhme: 8:31pm On Aug 05, 2013
bishopjoe02: It is a usual practice by recruiting organizations to specify age requirements as part of their eligibility criteria. In most vacancies the maximum age for entry level applicants is usually pegged at 27/28 and in some ridiculous circumstances 24/25. After consulting the 1999 Constitution I discovered that this practice is unconstitutional as it is a form of discrimination.
Section 42 subsection 2 states that “No citizen of Nigeria shall be subjected to any disability or deprivation merely by reason of the circumstances of his birth”. Ladies and gentlemen your date of birth and hence your age is a circumstance of birth so also is your sex and ethnicity. Employers have been getting away with this constitutional violation because nobody has challenged the practice rather people go about doctoring their ages so as to meet up with these ridiculous age requirements.

The following are the only jobs that the constitution has placed age restrictions and these jobs are mostly electoral office positions;
1) President ; must be 40 years old...section 131 subsection 2b
2) Vice president; same as that of the president... section 142 subsection 2
3) Senator; must be 35 years old...section 65 subsection 1a
4) House of representative; must be 30 years old... section 65 subsection 1b
5) Governor ; must be 35 years old...section 177 subsection 1b
6) &nbspeputy Governor; ; same as that of the Governor... section 187 subsection 2
7) Members of the house of assembly; must be 30 years old... section 106 subsection 1b

Other jobs include state commissioners and special advisers to governors (which have the same requirements as those of members of the house of assemble) and ministers and special advisers to the president of the federation (which have the same requirements as those of the House of Representatives).

Ladies and gentlemen, taking into account our erratic educational system with its numerous strikes, most students especially those in federal and state higher institutions end up graduating in their mid twenties and when you then factor in the one year NYSC and the waiting period of prospecting for jobs (which could range from months to years) you will notice that a significant number of graduates would have exceeded the maximum age limits placed by prospective employers.

Dear naija jobbers, the wind of change is blowing and we should not just sit and watch our rights been trampled upon and I think now is the time to act. In developed countries you will be prosecuted if you dare place age requirements for any job vacancy.

I do not want to lie about my age because it is not a crime and I shouldn’t be made to suffer for it.

God bless you all.


http://bishopjoe..com/2013/08/age-requirement-is-unconstitutional.html


This is Nigeria ...
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by bishopjoe02(m): 9:00pm On Aug 05, 2013
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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by seangy4konji: 10:31pm On Aug 05, 2013
and i find soo teeee i no seee ooo after 4 years...I don go back to yahoo yahoo...wetin man go do>?if u get job,try do am well ooo...no b small tin.

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Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by ogaju007(m): 10:59pm On Aug 05, 2013
poshdiva:

What if It's aim is to give the younger and fresh graduates a chance?
Let's look at it this way, a 32 year old graduate who was previously employed and has work experience and a 24 year old fresh graduate who has no work experience apply for the same job which does not 'discriminate' based on age. The 32 year old graduate has a greater chance of being picked. Where the firm now has a restriction on age, there is a higher chance of those graduates having the same qualifications or around the same qualifications. I still don't agree with the poster though!

Seems you dont get the gist... its about age discrimination... a 55 year old man/woman might be a fresh graduate.... however it will be wrong for him to be turned down for an entry level job cause of his age.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by Nobody: 11:04pm On Aug 05, 2013
As much as this is a very vital issue that needs to be addressed by our society, we also need to understand and make sure that these young graduates get proper education/experience before saying you were discriminated because of your Age, imagine a situation where a 25years old already has his Masters/Phd i dont think such person would have an issue getting a good paying JOB, Except he is looking for one that would pay him more than what he/she expect because of his educational standards, meanwhile there are lot of young citizens who skips some vital classes during their Secondary school period thereby making them graduate from the University Earlier than expected without having a solid and mature insight about how an adult should relate/react in certain situation, like respecting those around your work areas, imagine a 27years old managing a company where other employees are older than him/her..do you think there would be any form of respect for age...in such environment, with maturity they say comes with experience/understanding
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by ogaju007(m): 11:15pm On Aug 05, 2013
@eddiebruk: i do agree with your views in terms of the society and the respect but we need to understand its not just about working in Nigeria for a Nigerian company. the world is becoming a global village and any company in nigeria would aspire to be part of this village. I have 2 scenarios... 1: if a 23 year old white expatriate comes to nigeria, will the same elders respect him? i bet the answer is yes... we need to change our work culture and ethics to understand your boss is simply your boss end of.

Scenario 2: Employment in Nigeria sometimes goes in an anti clockwise direction quite understandably because of the same society. A masters holder with no work experience in the western world will have 2 problems (a) over-qualified for roles (b) no matching experience for qualification criteria.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by samseen02(m): 11:16pm On Aug 05, 2013
ecolime: The system is really messed up. I believe we will get there one day.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by Nobody: 11:56pm On Aug 05, 2013
ogaju007: @eddiebruk: i do agree with your views in terms of the society and the respect but we need to understand its not just about working in Nigeria for a Nigerian company. the world is becoming a global village and any company in nigeria would aspire to be part of this village. I have 2 scenarios... 1: if a 23 year old white expatriate comes to nigeria, will the same elders respect him? i bet the answer is yes... we need to change our work culture and ethics to understand your boss is simply your boss end of.

Scenario 2: Employment in Nigeria sometimes goes in an anti clockwise direction quite understandably because of the same society. A masters holder with no work experience in the western world will have 2 problems (a) over-qualified for roles (b) no matching experience for qualification criteria.

In this sense i would put that on our low level of educational standards, if you go outside Nigeria you will find out that our Nigerian Certificates are practically useless and has no value, because we lack proper educational standards, the only credible university in Nigeria is AUN (American University of Nigeria) they are they only university with an Internationally recognized Degree...many nations have gone past the stage of education Nigeria is adopting right now, the world has gone past where handouts, copying notes during lectures, and teaching a Information Technology student in the University and he only gets to see what the inner part of a computer looks like in his 3rd year, Nigeria Lacks so many things in our Educational aspects, Medicine as it is is very wide yet Nigeria still covers it in one course, whereas other countries are splitting it into Surgeries, Opticians, Dentistry, Physicians, and other aspect of medicine, yet Nigeria will want to teach you all in one there by lacking specificity in one, take example someone studying information Technology and after his Universities he now wants to work in the IT industry what kind of Specialist/Professional Job will Nigeria provide for him, when truly the IT industry is very wide..? this is where he now has to do another one year of professional studies on a particular information technology course to help him focus on one Area of the IT world...this is what the Foreigners do to beat our system of education, they get professional with
what they study and not just for exams sake.

A Nigerian Graduate will tell you he is a mechanical Engineer...? how can you call yourself a mechanical engineer, what mechanical Machine can he handle..?

Why a foreigner who services the engine of an airplane will call himself a mechanic with specificity on planes, a Nigerian will call himself a Mechanical Engineer with no basic training/professionalism on mechanical engines
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by LondonCool(m): 12:36am On Aug 06, 2013
lagerwhenindoubt: There are valid reasons for placing limits on job eligibility based on AGE. it is mostly a HR decision but there are some guiding principles

1: In a competitive work-place, you expect the young employees to aspire to positions at the Top-Level. It is a career incentive and a people-centric HR strategy. This way you maximize your human capital to an age range where the employee can dis-engaged and enter similar high-placed positions in other endeavors. You cannot have that much of a career plan at Age 30-40 applying for an entry-level job.

2: In most organizations (especially Financial Institutions), you are a Manager after 8-10 years work experience .. that is like 25-35 years of age. You cannot have a 35-40 year old man working under you and expect to drive him as you do other in-experienced hands under you. He may flare-up and start asking you how old you are, or can't you at least respect his grey hairs. such terse workplace situations are to be avoided. It is sad, but the economy does not favor older persons in place of younger ones especially when work demands you look up to one young brash manager.

3: Health Insurance is also a factor, Young means less likely to have ailments that affect us as we get older say from 30+ and above. It is a period where you can still instill some healthy habits and pay less on BUPA and other Health insurance schemes.


There are no valid reasons for placing job limits on people based on their age. That is utter ignorance and amounts to age discrimination. It will just take one person, one victim and/or one HR professional to stand up and be counted to take on this unlawful practice that has been masquerading itself in Nigeria's HR environment as good practice in the law courts very soon.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by bamto(m): 7:59am On Aug 06, 2013
bishopjoe02: It is a usual practice by recruiting organizations to specify age requirements as part of their eligibility criteria. In most vacancies the maximum age for entry level applicants is usually pegged at 27/28 and in some ridiculous circumstances 24/25. After consulting the 1999 Constitution I discovered that this practice is unconstitutional as it is a form of discrimination.
Section 42 subsection 2 states that “No citizen of Nigeria shall be subjected to any disability or deprivation merely by reason of the circumstances of his birth”. Ladies and gentlemen your date of birth and hence your age is a circumstance of birth so also is your sex and ethnicity. Employers have been getting away with this constitutional violation because nobody has challenged the practice rather people go about doctoring their ages so as to meet up with these ridiculous age requirements.

The following are the only jobs that the constitution has placed age restrictions and these jobs are mostly electoral office positions;
1) President ; must be 40 years old...section 131 subsection 2b
2) Vice president; same as that of the president... section 142 subsection 2
3) Senator; must be 35 years old...section 65 subsection 1a
4) House of representative; must be 30 years old... section 65 subsection 1b
5) Governor ; must be 35 years old...section 177 subsection 1b
6) &nbspeputy Governor; ; same as that of the Governor... section 187 subsection 2
7) Members of the house of assembly; must be 30 years old... section 106 subsection 1b

Other jobs include state commissioners and special advisers to governors (which have the same requirements as those of members of the house of assemble) and ministers and special advisers to the president of the federation (which have the same requirements as those of the House of Representatives).

Ladies and gentlemen, taking into account our erratic educational system with its numerous strikes, most students especially those in federal and state higher institutions end up graduating in their mid twenties and when you then factor in the one year NYSC and the waiting period of prospecting for jobs (which could range from months to years) you will notice that a significant number of graduates would have exceeded the maximum age limits placed by prospective employers.

Dear naija jobbers, the wind of change is blowing and we should not just sit and watch our rights been trampled upon and I think now is the time to act. In developed countries you will be prosecuted if you dare place age requirements for any job vacancy.

I do not want to lie about my age because it is not a crime and I shouldn’t be made to suffer for it.

God bless you all.


http://bishopjoe..com/2013/08/age-requirement-is-unconstitutional.html

The interpretation you gave this provision is incorrect. Please, check with a correct lawyer, and try again.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by cosify: 3:02pm On Aug 06, 2013
Personally, it is d Nigeria factor that worsens employment situation for graduates.Everything in Nigeria is very difficult to achieve.From securing admission to a higher institution to having hitch-free studies to call-up for National Service to d National Service itself and to d need for working experience by employers. Oh God,have mercy on your children.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by oladayo042: 4:10pm On Aug 06, 2013
Go to change.org and start a petition. If it can get enough signatures, I'm sure it will get some (online) attention.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by tete7000(m): 4:41pm On Aug 06, 2013
When you are born is a circumstance of birth but when you graduate is more than circumstance of birth. For the case to be enforceable in law court the constitution must be explicit about age. My thinking on this issue
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by NOLONGTIN1(m): 5:34pm On Aug 06, 2013
Not only age(date of birth), Religion, Marital status and state of origin are all illegal because they can be used to discriminating against any group of people.

But in Nigeria, all these are stated in our CVs. Even though these things don't/can't determine how well an applicant will perform on the Job.

I was thinking about this kind of topic yesterday after reading books about CV and job interviews. I was made to believe that you have a right to reject/report if an employer ask any of these 'illegal' questions, but of course it was an American book.
Re: Age Requirement Is Unconstitutional by bishopjoe02(m): 6:55am On Aug 07, 2013
bamto:

The interpretation you gave this provision is incorrect. Please, check with a correct lawyer, and try again.
i think, im right, but i wil do as u say anyway

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