Alwaystrue:

Thanks...Some pastors work in the ministry full time. Infact that was the expectation of Jesus Christ for the disciples and even Paul said he had a right not to work.

Paul decided to work so no man will make his glorying void. He decided to let go of the right of I Cor. 9:13-14. It was becaus of the same way we have people throwing a fit now untop of a tenth that He penned the below, people were actually examining him:

I Corinthians 9:3-4,6,15
3 Mine answer to them that do EXAMINE ME is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, HAVE NOT WE POWER to forbear working?
15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

What is going on on NL is just history repeating itself. Just take time to study and you will understand that this is not new. Paul experience alot.


The Jerusalem believers who already had the heart of giving sold their property and all and brought it to the feet of the disciples for sharing to everyone, even though some people still grumbled that they still did not get (Acts 6:1). They were giving their 100% and put in a place for all to take, If some were asked to try it here, they we quote scriptures that he that does not work should not eat. It is just so funny.

If giving a tenth to the ministers can be such a challenge and can cause this level of quibbling, we then know the hearts of man. It is so easy to know a person with regards to how he acts when money matters are discussed.


It is one thing not to tithe and another to say tithe is abolished. It is either you believe it is right or you believe it is abolished.
It is just amusing seeing people swing to what favours them.....one minute believe tithe and another call it sin, abolished etc. That is the hypocrisy and unstability of it. They are double-minded.
Our giving is beyond a tenth because there are so many people to give to as listed above there.

The true givers will give to all or pray for grace to give to all with joy and happiness.

Bidam:

As for ALL who don't go to church anymore because of tithe and other doctrines, who spend hours lazying on the internet thinking this is Church, you need to understand that biblical separation is one thing, but refusing to participate in any local assembly because you alone understand true godliness can be an indication of spiritual pride, self-deception, and a recipe for trouble.

May the Lord guide US as WE seek to attain Biblical balance and remain true to Him. Amen!!

Alwaystrue:

Thanks...Some pastors work in the ministry full time. Infact that was the expectation of Jesus Christ for the disciples and even Paul said he had a right not to work.

Paul decided to work so no man will make his glorying void. He decided to let go of the right of I Cor. 9:13-14. It was becaus of the same way we have people throwing a fit now untop of a tenth that He penned the below, people were actually examining him:

I Corinthians 9:3-4,6,15
3 Mine answer to them that do EXAMINE ME is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, HAVE NOT WE POWER to forbear working?
15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

What is going on on NL is just history repeating itself. Just take time to study and you will understand that this is not new. Paul experience alot.

The Jerusalem believers who already had the heart of giving sold their property and all and brought it to the feet of the disciples for sharing to everyone, even though some people still grumbled that they still did not get (Acts 6:1). They were giving their 100% and put in a place for all to take, If some were asked to try it here, they we quote scriptures that he that does not work should not eat. It is just so funny.

If giving a tenth to the ministers can be such a challenge and can cause this level of quibbling, we then know the hearts of man. It is so easy to know a person with regards to how he acts when money matters are discussed.

It is one thing not to tithe and another to say tithe is abolished. It is either you believe it is right or you believe it is abolished.
It is just amusing seeing people swing to what favours them.....one minute believe tithe and another call it sin, abolished etc. That is the hypocrisy and unstability of it. They are double-minded.
Our giving is beyond a tenth because there are so many people to give to as listed above there.

The true givers will give to all or pray for grace to give to all with joy and happiness.

shachris:

That means the real gospel we should be preaching is that of giving and not tithing, since tithing, according to you is a very small part of giving. But personally, i would rather give to the poor directly, out of my own free will, with a cheerful heart, because i see many of them around me; than to give to a pastor to help me and share to the poor.

Alwaystrue:

Thanks...Some pastors work in the ministry full time. [/b]Infact that was the expectation of Jesus Christ for the disciples and even Paul said he had a right not to work.

Paul decided to work so no man will make his glorying void. He decided to let go of the right of I Cor. 9:13-14. It was becaus of the same way we have people throwing a fit now untop of a tenth that He penned the below, people were actually examining him:

[b]I Corinthians 9:3-4,6,15
3 Mine answer to them that do EXAMINE ME is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, HAVE NOT WE POWER to forbear working?
15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

What is going on on NL is just history repeating itself. Just take time to study and you will understand that this is not new. Paul experience alot.


The Jerusalem believers who already had the heart of giving sold their property and all and brought it to the feet of the disciples for sharing to everyone, even though some people still grumbled that they still did not get (Acts 6:1). They were giving their 100% and put in a place for all to take, If some were asked to try it here, they we quote scriptures that he that does not work should not eat. It is just so funny.

If giving a tenth to the ministers can be such a challenge and can cause this level of quibbling, we then know the hearts of man. It is so easy to know a person with regards to how he acts when money matters are discussed.


It is one thing not to tithe and another to say tithe is abolished. It is either you believe it is right or you believe it is abolished.
It is just amusing seeing people swing to what favours them.....one minute believe tithe and another call it sin, abolished etc. That is the hypocrisy and unstability of it. They are double-minded.
Our giving is beyond a tenth because there are so many people to give to as listed above there.

The true givers will give to all or pray for grace to give to all with joy and happiness.

oludebby90: Well written,am so in support @op...everybody shud do according to hs faith n belief n nt try confusing odas.

Alwaystrue:



If giving a tenth to the ministers can be such a challenge and can cause this level of quibbling, we then know the hearts of man. It is so easy to know a person with regards to how he acts when money matters are discussed.

hardbody: Paul the apostle said with his own hands he eked out a living and provided both for himself and those around him who were in need. Your pastors fool you with all the talk about tithing and as usual play on your fears by telling you about devourer, etc etc. meanwhile the guy and his wife are living large on your sweat, driving the best cars and at times owning a jet, building schools and when opportunity calls for it, they fork your wives and daughters and tell you not to judge or not to touch God's annointed (as if you wimps are not annointed too). Infact these days they fly your daughters abroad and teach them a level of grace beyond comprehension and you guys sit down here and continue to talk about tithe this and tithe that.

I am not falling mugu to any person that believes he can harrass me into giving him my hard earned money. The Bible said we should with our own hands work out what we will eat, if pastor or Man of God is not going to work, I swear he will starve. Shi Shi, i no go give am.

mbulela:
There is a profound truth in this.

mbulela:
You actually think giving a tenth of your increase shows where your heart lies?
It simply shows that you are legalistic and your heart is not sold out on God.
All these tithe talk are often boring. If our hearts are freely and sold out to God, our finances will be at his disposal. We will not be arguing for percentages. Why should ministers be given a 10th? Why can't pastors practice the faith they preach and believe God for their sustenance? Using tithe as a form of insurance benefit.Besides a pastor should be on a salary as soon as the church is able to support him. Before then,he should know JIREH for himself and practice what he preaches. Besides,if he is ministering to his people spiritual food,how will they not minister carnal food to him?

God2man: It is what you respect that comes into your life, if you want to grow old, you should respect your elders in the Christiandom, they are not Jesus, but they are the respresentatives of God on earth

mojeer678:

What profound truth?

You can't put the ugly mushroom cloud back into that shiny uranium sphere, apology to Asimov.

You will have better luck squeezing the toothpaste back into the tube. bidam seriously erred by stating that the Blessed Saviour and Redeemer, the Lord Yeshua the Messiah was a pharisee.

As far as I'm concerned, the same source can't produce both fresh water and stagnant water at the same time; can't bring forth guava and cocoyam.

Error and profound truth are mutually exclusive.

You need to brush up the critical thinking notebooks!

mbulela: On the other side of the argument. All those preaching against tithe, i also hope your finances are as sold out to God as your anti-tithe sermons? I hope like Abraham you dare not withhold the Isaac of your finances? Knowing that He that gave you Isaac can and will bring him back from the death. Not enough to give left overs and be shouting. Not to tithe!!
Extremes are from the pit of hell.

HerexG :
first Christ never intend Christianity to be a religion the Romans made it so

If Christianity is not a religion how come rituals being done in a religion such as Judaism is being practised in the faith, tithing is a religion rituals done in Judaism.

Note
The people who practised tithing in the bible came with perishable goods and not with money

Tithe is an act of the law and we in Christ are set free from the law. If truly they want to practise Judaism laws, how come they selected only tithing and left laws like

Observing the sabbath rituals
Killing of rams for sacrificies
The passover rituals and many more

Christianity and Love are inseparable, you want to give, give out of love and not compulsion. Thank you and God bless you...

mbulela: On the other side of the argument. All those preaching against tithe, i also hope your finances are as sold out to God as your anti-tithe sermons? I hope like Abraham you dare not withhold the Isaac of your finances? Knowing that He that gave you Isaac can and will bring him back from the death. Not enough to give left overs and be shouting. Not to tithe!!
Extremes are from the pit of hell.

christemmbassey: another tithe collector, by their fructs, u know them. Oga, go n work, u get hand n even go skool, don't b a waste comot eye 4 ppl moni. Haba.

Goshen360:

Where do you see FULL TIME ministry in the new testament? Give example of one, I mean just one Apostle that was FULL TIME?

Again, point just one man of God in this our generation that is in ministry but DON'T HAVE ANY PERSONAL BUSINESS AS SOURCE OF INCOME.

FULL TIME call or ministry is another deception in the church of God.

Bidam: was Jesus a pharisee? YES ..Do pharisees pay tithe? Yes.Was Paul a pharisee? Yes..Do pharisees pay tithe? YES. Jesus fulfilled the law.You don't need a prophet to tell you these things.Use your brain?

Goshen360:



Bidam, did you just called Christ, a pharisee just because you want to justify tithe?

During the days of Jesus, there were three main groups under the Hasmonean rule. The Pharisees, Sadducees and the Essenes . The Essenes were a sect that were exacerbated with the Pharisees and Sadducees. They moved out of Jerusalem and lived a nomadic life and did not have a role in scripture. The two sects that played a role during the days of Jesus were the Pharisees and Sadducees. The Jews of Jesus’ day belong to one of the two major sects of either the Pharisees or Sadducees and it is with these two sects that Jesus had dealings with in scripture. It is one of these two groups that Joseph and Mary belonged.

The Sadducees

The Sadducees were an liberal elite group that rejected the Oral Law. They did not believe in the resurrection, afterlife or angels.

Sadducees Ask About the Resurrection

The same day Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection, and they asked him a question, Matthew 22:23 (ESV)

They were one of the two “parties” that served in the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin were responsible for interpretation of Jewish civil and religious laws.

So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the Council (Sanhedrin)and said, “What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. John 11:47 (ESV)

The Pharisees

The Pharisees, however, held to the belief in a resurrection, an afterlife and angels. They also believed that God punished the wicked and rewarded the righteous in the afterlife as well believing in a Messiah who was to come. The social class of the Pharisees were common people while the Sadducees were the aristocrats.

The lives of the Jews centered around Judaism and the Temple. Mary and Joseph came from a working class family, common people. Joseph was visited by an angel, a belief not held by the Sadducees. Joseph was obedient to the angel.

But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” Matthew 1:20-21 (ESV)

Mary also was visited by an angel of the Lord and conversed with the angel.

"And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”" Luke 1:28-34 (ESV)

As all the Jews of that day, Joseph and Mary belonged the one of the Jewish groups. Mary and Joseph belonged to the group that held to the belief of angels, a coming Messiah, resurrection and an afterlife, the Pharisees. This is the group that Joseph and Mary belonged to and raised their children.

Historical Understanding

Why is this important? A historical background and a

n understanding of the times and culture aids in understanding the Word of God. The Word of God is not only His revelation but is a historical record as well. It was written during a time period and the men God inspired wrote from the perspective of that period to Jews of that period. It is important to understand the culture to properly interpret God’s word. We cannot read it from a 21st century western cultural perspective.

Jesus was a Jew, lived with Jews, brought the Gospel to the Jews, and spoke and taught them according to their culture. We need to understand the times and culture and read God’s revelation from that perspective and not from the 21st century American culture. http://fruitoftheword.com/2009/10/jesus-was-a-pharisee/

Alwaystrue:

I do not know what you mean by 'gospel of giving or tithing'. Yes, Jesus affirmed that their are other weighthier aspects of the law with respect to love, fairness and mercy which should be done but still we should not neglect tithing. It is as simple as ABC for me.
So it was on NL i saw the 'Anti-tithe gospel merchants' and 'ministry of fighting tithes'.

[size=15pt]In the whole earthy ministry of Jesus which is the New Testament,[/size] Jesus spoke and commended different forms of giving....honouring parents by giving to them, giving to the poor and needy, giving offerings and tithes, giving tax to the authorities and so on so giving is in different forms.

No one says you should not give directly to the poor, I only said the early Jerusalem church gave by bringing their 100% to a place for distribution to all and sundry as a form of communal living.

Yes, keep giving cheerfully. Thanks.

Goshen360:

We have people who are still ignorant, who should go back to basic but the claim to know and wants to teach half truth. What will their listeners come out to be? Obviously, same ignorant products.

People teaching Jesus ministry on earth is the NEW TESTAMENT. Now, we know why they cannot even learn but filled with pride.

Goshen360:

We have people who are still ignorant, who should go back to basic but the claim to know and wants to teach half truth. What will their listeners come out to be? Obviously, same ignorant products.

People teaching Jesus ministry on earth is the NEW TESTAMENT. Now, we know why they cannot even learn but filled with pride.

Bidam: Who brought the NEW TESTAMENT IF NOT JESUS,He prophesied about going to the cross and He fulfilled the Will of the Father..so what?

Luke 22:20
New International Version
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.


Does this scripture sound like an old covenant scripture? SMH!!