Gombs: Jesus asked us to love and pray for our enemies..he prayed for his enemies and loved them

He never asked us to kill them by fire or such. Infact, he set a table for us in their presence, not their absence, meaning they aint a factor, they don't matter.

Prov 16v7
When a man's ways please the LORD, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.




Just please the Lord...change your prayer points, rather that sending holyghost fire, worship God, praise him, thank him, do his Word... And he'd take care of your enemies

2 Chronicle 1v11-12

11 And God said to Solomon, Because this was in thine
heart, and thou hast not asked riches, wealth, or honour, nor the life of thine enemies, neither yet hast asked long life; but hast asked wisdom and knowledge for thyself, that thou mayest judge my people, over whom I have made thee king:
12 Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as
none of the kings have had that have been before thee,
neither shall there any after thee have the like.


Be like Solomon...d man didn't ask for the life of his enemies even though he knew he was an illegitimate Child, he knew David's other sons were against him..but he asked for WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE...go study how all his enemies ended

Praying down holyghost fire is unscriptural and though Elijah called down fire from heaven, it didn't consume his enemies (prophet of Baal).

Same as praying the "I cover myself/family/car/etc with the blood of Jesus" prayer is unscriptural.

Elijah called down fire from Heaven that consumed (the servants of) his enemy. You're using one account - the Baal incident - while ignoring the more relevant one in 2 Kings 1:9-16.

I'm not sure I understand why you think Solomon was an illegitimate son. Or are you confusing him with his brother that died?

I'm also working hard to find the functional difference between worshipping God and expecting your enemies to die and petitioning God for your enemies to die and expecting that to happen. Both worship and petition are forms of prayer. A functional difference would be NOT expecting your enemies to die or even praying for them not to die.

made2fit: Really? So this too is unscriptural?

Pleading the Blood to receive the manifestation of what the Blood accomplished is completely scriptural.

Bidam: Pleading the Blood has nothing to do with begging or with mechanical repetition of empty words. Plead is legal terminology.

The Hebrew word translated plead is the root word reer. In its verb form, it means strive, contend, to conduct a legal case. In its noun form, it means dispute, controversy, case at law. A few examples:

"The LORD therefore be judge, and judge between me and thee, and see, and plead my cause, and deliver me out of
thing hand." 1 Samuel 24:15

"Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips." Job 13:6

"I plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me." Psalm 35:1

"Plead my cause, and deliver me..." Psalm 119:154

"The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people." Isaiah 3:13

This is the prophetic of Jesus and His triumphant death and subsequent justification. He says, "Who will conduct a legal case or suit with Me? The answer, of course is that no case or adversary can stand against Him. Therefore, our case the Blood of His Cross, is sure.

PLEADING OUR CASE - REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD

A great courtroom procedure has ensued since the fall of man.

God, the Father is God, the Judge of all (Hebrews 12:23).


Jesus Christ, the Righteous, is our advocate (1 John 2:1,2) One that argues for a cause. One that pleads in
another's behalf, an intercessor.


The Bible is the Book of the Law.


Satan is the Prosecuting Attorney - the accuser.


"...for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they
overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the
death." Revelation 12:10,11

The title "the accuser of our brethren" reveals Satan's character and his ongoing activity.


Redemption is the crux of the matter. Adam exercised his free will and fell into the hand of the enemy. The
Blood of the Lamb redeemed (to recover ownership of by paying a specified sum) man from Satan's hold and
unto God and His plan: God redeemed us with "precious" Blood.

For more:http://www.lifeinjesus-ministries.com/THEBLOOD2.html

Amazing. Something similar has been on my heart for months now and I never knew anybody anywhere thought along the same lines. I hope I'll find time to expand on it.

nlMediator:

Pleading the Blood to receive the manifestation of what the Blood accomplished is completely scriptural.

My bro, if I may ask. What did the blood accomplish?

Candour: @Gombs

I agree largely with your post and had no choice but to click like.

The blood of Christ is powerful but its basically for remmision of sins. Satan has been defeated. We only need to affirm it through the word and renew our minds to line up with the truth that the cross truly and completely emptied Satan of any power over Christians.

May God gives his children the grace to internalise this truth.

God bless you

That's not what the Bible says. Jesus told His disciples to drink His blood continually and Paul affirmed and elaborated on that. Neither was speaking in terms of using the blood in that context exclusively for the remission of sins. The Blood is of service to us today, as the communion illustrates.

Gombs:
1John 1v7 KJV:But if we walk in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Matt 26 v 28 KJV:For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins .




Very very unscriptural.
As you can see above, the blood was exclusively for remission of sin. It was the sacrifice accepted by God. It has no power to protect, cast out demons, etc as folks use it to pray today. The only powerful 'tools' given to us by God to fight the good fight of faith and live victoriously, are THE NAME OF JESUS AND THE WORD. the blood of Jesus prayer is mistook from
Rev 12 v 11KJV:And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

And the "when I see the blood, I will pass over u".....the story of the israelite in Egypt
Folk over time erroneously interpreted the above verses, (would explain further if u want). There is no single place in the Bible you find folks casting out demons with the blood of Jesus or protecting themselves or family with the blood of Jesus or where they adviced us to use the blood for anything, except that it cleanses us from ALL sin.

When Jesus resurrected, he didn't mention his blood, he Just said in luke 24v40 that a ghost does not have flesh and bone...he didnt mention blood, that is why we say the new creation man does not live of blood, for the Holy Spirit through John declared in John 1v12 and 13 that as many as received Jesus to them gave he power to be called the sons of God, [size=16pt] who were born not of blood [/size] , nor the will of man, nor the will of the flesh, but the will of God.The new creation does not live from blood, he is powered by the HolyGhost, that's why we say Chritians should/cannot not be sick....hallelujah

Your argument is weak. Let's assme that we do not see any apostle, etc using the blood for anything other than the remission of sins (that's not true). But neither do we see any apostle, etc preaching tithe, paying tithes themselves or giving first fruits. Yet, you preach and believe in these things. Can you explain the discrepancy? Or you promote what the apostles and NT believers in the Bible did not when it comes to money but reject it when it comes to other things?

Candour: @Gombs

I agree largely with your post and had no choice but to click like.

The blood of Christ is powerful but its basically for remmision of sins. Satan has been defeated. We only need to affirm it through the word and renew our minds to line up with the truth that the cross truly and completely emptied Satan of any power over Christians.

May God gives his children the grace to internalise this truth.

God bless you

Thanks bro,
We must take this gospel of Christ to ALL, by ALL means possible. And this will we do.

#Twale

nlMediator:


Elijah called down fire from Heaven that consumed (the servants of) his enemy. You're using one account - the Baal incident - while ignoring the more relevant one in 2 Kings 1:9-16.

You obviously wanna argue.

I'm not sure I understand why you think Solomon was an illegitimate son. Or are you confusing him with his brother that died?

That's why you should go study. Let me give you a hint, Solomon was a black man...if you need scripture, I'd oblige you.

I'm also working hard to find the functional difference between worshipping God and expecting your enemies to die and petitioning God for your enemies to die and expecting that to happen. Both worship and petition are forms of prayer. A functional difference would be NOT expecting your enemies to die or even praying for them not to die.

Pls try and do more study of the Bible by the help of the Holyspirit

Candour:

My bro, if I may ask. What did the blood accomplish?

Exactly same question I wanted to ask Bidam. I await nlMediator's short and precise answer.

nlMediator:

Your argument is weak. Let's assme that we do not see any apostle, etc using the blood for anything other than the remission of sins (that's not true). But neither do we see any apostle, etc preaching tithe, paying tithes themselves or giving first fruits. Yet, you preach and believe in these things. Can you explain the discrepancy? Or you promote what the apostles and NT believers in the Bible did not when it comes to money but reject it when it comes to other things?

Must you turn every thread into a tithe discussion thread? :-/


Even when Jesus clearly outlined what the/his Blood was for? Must you argue any and everything esp when you don't have to?

nlMediator:

Pleading the Blood to receive the manifestation of what the Blood accomplished is completely scriptural.

In line with the above, write a short prayer to explain what you mean above.

Thank u

nlMediator:


Elijah called down fire from Heaven that consumed (the servants of) his enemy. You're using one account - the Baal incident - while ignoring the more relevant one in 2 Kings 1:9-16.

I'm not sure I understand why you think Solomon was an illegitimate son. Or are you confusing him with his brother that died?

I'm also working hard to find the functional difference between worshipping God and expecting your enemies to die and petitioning God for your enemies to die and expecting that to happen. Both worship and petition are forms of prayer. A functional difference would be NOT expecting your enemies to die or even praying for them not to die.

there is nowhere in the new testament where jesus pray that holyghost fire should consume those that opposed him neither did he instruct his disciples to call down fire against their enemies like Elijah. People praying like that are waisting their time, because they wont get answers.

nlMediator:

That's not what the Bible says. Jesus told His disciples to drink His blood continually and Paul affirmed and elaborated on that. Neither was speaking in terms of using the blood in that context exclusively for the remission of sins. The Blood is of service to us today, as the communion illustrates.

Hear Christ himself

Luke 22:19-20
'And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.20.Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you'

He said to take communion in remembrance of him and said it was for remission of sins, nothing about mouthing it to kill demons. This is repeated in Matt 26:26-28 and Mark 14:22-24

Hear Paul

1Cor 11:23-26
'For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:24.And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.25.After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as off as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.26.For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come

See all the bolded. Communion is strictly for remembrance of what Christ went through to obtain salvation for us. Nothing more, nothing less.

Christ said so, Paul repeated it.

nlMediator:

That's not what the Bible says. Jesus told His disciples to drink His blood continually and Paul affirmed and elaborated on that. Neither was speaking in terms of using the blood in that context exclusively for the remission of sins. The Blood is of service to us today, as the communion illustrates.

Jesus said the above...but y didn't you complete it?

Oya let me help you, Jesus said "do this IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME" not do this for your protection or do this to plead your case or do this to heal your self.

When you take communion is it Jesus' real blood?

It is the remembrance of what he did on the cross for us that reaffirms the power we have in His redemptive work. The remembrance is for all he's done, his perfect sacrifice and victory. That's what the communion is about. Yeah, you get healed during communion, because of the remembrance and not that the communion was a kinda medicine


Must you argue?

Candour this one wey you dey my mind ...your reply similar to mine, notice the time difference.


Praise God

Gombs: Candour this one wey you dey my mind ...your reply similar to mine, notice the time difference.


Praise God

In fact I'm worried. How come u and I are thinking alike this morning? Infact since yesterday. Good times must be here

The truth is I agree with you and in the spirit of candour, I had to be open about it.

Cheers

Alwaystrue:
It is because God knows the end from the beginning. He does these things to make us continually trust, love and believe Him more. A problem for some is an avenue to show innovation for others. It is a thing of perception.

He has a perfect plan..always

On the issue of the pleading the blood. I believe that the blood has been shed for us and our mouths are like the 'hyssop' used to apply it because we overcome the devil by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

The bold there actually means our SALVATION. By Christ's redemtive work we overcame the Devil

This is continuous.
The blood of Jesus speaks better things (mercy) than the blood of Esau (vengeance).

I'm sure you meant Abel.
Jesus' blood speaks mercy for the whole world before God. Aint that wonderful?

So it is possible that when a saint has fallen, he pleads the blood for mercy and seeks grace to help him turn away and continually do right.

Umm...

Hebrews 4:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of
grace , that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


A saint don't need plead the blood, all he need do is come BOLDLY ( 1 John 1:9 KJV - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
) before the throne of grace...to OBTAIN mercy, obtain mercy is not same as beg for mercy.

The blood of Jesus is the price used to purchase a person from destruction/penalty, we continually confess to salvation.

Salvation is confessing with one's mouth the lordship of Jesus AND believing in his heart that God raised Jesus from the dead...we don't continually confess to salvation by Jesus' blood, after salvation, we work out that salvation. Communion is remembering that work on the cross, that is not same as "continually confess to salvation"


God bless u

Candour:



In fact I'm worried. How come u and I are thinking alike this morning? Infact since yesterday. Good times must be here

The truth is I agree with you and in the spirit of candour, I had to be open about it.

Cheers

Don't be worried. Lol

Gombs:

He has a perfect plan..always



The bold there actually means our SALVATION. By Christ's redemtive work we overcame the Devil



I'm sure you meant Abel.
Jesus' blood speaks mercy for the whole world before God. Aint that wonderful?




Umm...

Hebrews 4:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of
grace , that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


A saint don't need plead the blood, all he need do is come BOLDLY ( 1 John 1:9 KJV - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
) before the throne of grace...to OBTAIN mercy, obtain mercy is not same as beg for mercy.



Salvation is confessing with one's mouth the lordship of Jesus AND believing in his heart that God raised Jesus from the dead...we don't continually confess to salvation by Jesus' blood, after salvation, we work out that salvation. Communion is remembering that work on the cross, that is not same as "continually confess to salvation"


God bless u

Yes thanks I meant Abel. Forgive that error.

We come boldly to the throne to obtain mercy because there is godly sorrow to know we did wrong. Don't see 'plead' as some sort of grovelling.

We continually confess what we believe in our heart, that is simply what I meant and confessing Jesus is continuous not some one-off passive event. That is where many miss it. They think belief and confession is just when you initially got born again. The word of the tesimony of the saints was not a one-off event either. Believeing and confessing is continuous as long as we say 'it is written' just as Jesus did. I learn more about Jesus everyday and I KEEP BELIEVING!
Confession is like spending the 'currency' already given you through your belief.

There is no need to argue on this if you do not accept my post. Thanks.

@ Gombs and candour

thanks for opening our eyes to these errors that have made their ways in to the church through human improvisation.

on a lighter note, if God answers such prayers the world would be far emptier than it is right now.

Alwaystrue:

Yes thanks I meant Abel. Forgive that error.

We come boldly to the throne to obtain mercy because there is godly sorrow to know we did wrong. Don't see 'plead' as some sort of grovelling.

We continually confess what we believe in our heart, that is simply what I meant and confessing Jesus is continuous not some one-off passive event. That is where many miss it. They think belief and confession is just when you initially got born again. The word of the tesimony of the saints was not a one-off event either. Believeing and confessing is continuous as long as we say 'it is written' just as Jesus did. I learn more about Jesus everyday and I KEEP BELIEVING!
Confession is like spending the 'currency' already given you through your belief.

There is no need to argue on this if you do not accept my post. Thanks.

#Twale

Better explained

shdemidemi: @ Gombs and candour

thanks for opening our eyes to these errors that have made their ways in to the church through human improvisation.

on a lighter note, if God answers such prayers the world would be far emptier than it is right now.

Your concluding remark is spot on. I couldn't have put it any better than that.

#Bless

Let me use an analogy,if a christian falls ill,does he/she just believe the word that by the stripes of Jesus i am healed or does he believe and enforce it by Confession? Remember Jesus nailed sickness once and for All.

Bidam: Let me use an analogy,if a christian falls ill,does he/she just believe the word that by the stripes of Jesus i am healed or does he believe and enforce it by Confession? Remember Jesus nailed sickness once and for All.

Believing is not enough..cos the bible said that even the devil believe and tremble...you believe AND confess what you believe.


What are you driving at sir?

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Gombs:

Believing is not enough..cos the bible said that even the devil believe and tremble...you believe AND confess what you believe.


What are you driving at sir?

Yeah..with our mouth we confess and are saved.It doesn't only stop at believing.The blood of Jesus is the basis of our victory,but we have to add our testimony i.e Our confession to it. We have to stand our ground with the enemy,why? Because he is still the god of this world.We plead the blood to cleanse us from our sins.

Pleading the blood is activating what happened through the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross.It is asking God to provide for us what Jesus has purchased. It's a statement of Faith.

God doesn't operate outside of our confession,when the devil accuses us we need to Say what the blood says...God responds to Faith.

Goshen360: King James Bible
And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. Luke 9:51-56

I have always taught being taught by Spirit that the ministry of Jesus is to bring an 'entirely new way of relationship' with God. He came and ministered to people who carry the mindset of the mosaic teachings but one of the ministry of Christ is a change from the mosaic (the servant hood) to relationship (son ship).

In the light of the above, Christ had to choose those he would teach the coming of the new way or new covenant or new agreement so they can carry on his teachings, changing from the old mindset into the new. Unfortunately, many Christians and Christian leaders are way too far from the ministry of Christ and what the new covenant is all about - they still live in the old mindset and practice the old mixed with the new.

In the above scriptures, the disciples with the old mindset just as it is in our days today, wanted to call down fire like Elijah on those who would not receive\welcome Christ but as Christ is projecting and\or teaching the new way, he said, no! It used to be like that at a time but we're having it in a new way. Why? . . . For [because] the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

Everyone of us at one time had once being an enemy of God. Should God had destroyed us, what would have become of us? It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance and Christ had not come to destroy any man's life. Those who call fire on their enemies are either ignorant or following man's traditional teachings without checking out the truth for themselves. The fire that Elijah called down was literal and since people had been calling fire on their enemies, what literal fire had come down? This should tell people it is just an exercise in futility.

to be continue . . .

this is just d point. Let those that are praying that way be fooling themselves. Their problem is that they dont want to accept change but they want to remain in their obsolete way of life. It is all left 4 them.

@Bidam,
As a build on your post, Confessing Jesus should be in our words and our actions as well. Jesus gave us the perfect example when He kept saying 'it is written' when facing the devil.
Confession/Professing is very key in the life of every believer as this makes us take full ownership of what we have been given by God.

Bidam: Yeah..with our mouth we confess and are saved.It doesn't only stop at believing.The blood of Jesus is the basis of our victory,but we have to add our testimony i.e Our confession to it. We have to stand our ground with the enemy,why? Because he is still the god of this world.We plead the blood to cleanse us from our sins.

Pleading the blood is activating what happened through the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross.It is asking God to provide for us what Jesus has purchased. It's a statement of Faith.

God doesn't operate outside of our confession,when the devil accuses us we need to Say what the blood says...God responds to Faith.

Pls write down a prayer in line with the above bold.

Thanks

Gombs:

Pls write down a prayer in line with the above bold.

Thanks

"Father, i confess our ( i.e self,immediate family,household,etc) sins,so clean with the blood"( to cover the multitude of sins,1 pet.4:7-8,keep the commandment without spot,1 tim,6:14: and edify ourselves in love,Eph.4:15;1Jn.5:16).

I believe we should take a leaf from the way the apostles pray. We will hardly see all these mundane prayers we pray about today (i.e my car, my house, my family, my enemies).

Men have become lovers of this world hence they invent ways that are more appealing to our flesh.

Although i am yet to fully learn the ropes of being a totally submissive christian, i just feel i should chip in something here. @op i read your post and i think i should drop a thing or two. Those churches that do pray using the Holy Spirit dont mention the names of their enemies,am very sure of that. So many people only judge from afar, not until you come close to it, you wouldnt understand what it really is. They pray against the negative spirits in them. The bible says ''for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against prinicipalities, powers, rulers of darkness in high places'' meaning that even the bible recognises the fact that there are enemies of men in this world. Jesus rebuked evil spirits also while He was alive, but am pretty sure He didnt do that using the fire of the Holy Spirit then coz the ministry of the Holy Spirit was yet to be launched by then. But since Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to us to help us in this race of christianity, i believe that we cant do anything without the help of the Holy Spirit. If we pray to the Holy Spirit to fight our cause, i dont see what is so bad in it. Although, am not good at arguments, this is just my stance. All stay blessed, and may we not be found wanting on the last day.


#Peace.