wasak: what I hate most is hearing them saying they are fighting for d students, That's a lie...a robust one, let them make do with the funds disbursed, I hate d government but to be candid they have tried

Don't misunderstand things. ASUU is primarily fighting for (a) its members (b) the Nigerian tertiary education system. We are not fighting for students in the sense of reducing their fees. We are fighting for students in the sense that the education you're getting is basically worthless, and (hopefully) with the right injection of funds, you are more *likely* to get a proper education. Gedit?

YOU'VE SAID IT ALL PROF. FEMI. YOU'VE SAID IT ALL.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT MOST OF THE STUDENTS POSTING THREADS ARE EVEN THE DULL ONES THAT JUST WANT TO GRADUATE WITHOUT ACQUIRING AN OUNCE OF KNOWLEDGE (EXCEPT DOWNLOADING HOMEWORK AND RESEARCH FROM THE INTERNET).

WHEN I WAS A STUDENT NIGERIAN UNIVERSITIES WENT ON STRIKE FOR 2 YRS 10 MONTHS (34 MONTHS). NOBODY DEMONSTRATED, BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY THOSE THAT KNEW THE PAINS OF STUDYING IN THE UNIVERSITY WERE GIVEN ADMISSION. THERE WAS NO MIRACLE CENTER FOR ANYBODY TO PASS WAEC, THERE WAS NO CHIPS FOR WRITING JAMB.

YOU SHOULD ALL LEARN TO RESPECT THE CAUSE OF ANY INDIVIDUAL WHETHER ASUU OR NOT. IF SHOEMAKERS DECIDE TO GO ON STRIKE, THE COUNTRY IS EXPECTED TO LOOK INTO THE CAUSE OF THEIR STRIKE AND REASONABLY COME TO TERMS WITH THEM. FG IS NOT REASONABLY COMING TO TERMS WITH ASUU. IF YOU DEMAND 1.4 TRILLION AND YOU ARE GIVEN 100 BILLION (WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR DEMANDS IS BEEN MET?) ANSWER: LESS THAN 10 PERCENT.

IS FG NOW PAYING TITHES OR REASONABLY ADDRESSING ASUU? (TITHE IS 10%)

Oh, so nw 'u're willin 2 call off d strike?' . . . . Hunger don dey set in small small. .. .ASUU,dis strike has lasted more than it shld,call off now or d FG'll see thru ur false resolve nd renege on any agreement u've made so far. . .#nuffsaid. .

Olumidzti: how many days do your senators sit per week? & how much do they get?

So they want to be like senators ei? More reason why I think ASSU is just being selfish.

kommiejewel: Oh, so nw 'u're willin 2 call off d strike?' . . . . Hunger don dey set in small small. .. .ASUU,dis strike has lasted more than it shld,call off now or d FG'll see thru ur false resolve nd renege on any agreement u've made so far. . .#nuffsaid. .

If you read my post above, you should know ASUU has no need to fear. As surely as there are mangoes, *someone* will pay the proper price to take our universities where they should be. If you decide the government should not do it, then start working extra hard...*you* will do it. Tell me, how is ASUU going to lose this one?

wasak: so they wanna be paid without work? bunch of old selfish rascals...

Nonsense in it's most civilized manner!!

See foolishness. stupid illiterate. go to school and learn how to respect ur elders.

wasak:
if u want money like the senators join d gaddamn politics... or better still protest against their pay... imagine if everyone wants to earn like d senators what will Nigeria turn into?
even shoemakers will go on strike.

is this the going rate for senators in other countries? Protest against their pay? You must be a comedian & think everyone is as jobless as you.

They r at which receiving end? Students r now where, collecting end? They have been adamant and would notshift ground while the gov have. No work no pay patapata na d way

Ada Nri1: So they want to be like senators ei? More reason why I think ASSU is just being selfish. They've looked at the jumbo pay of senators and want the same, forgetting that no Nigeria likes that jumbo pay to senators too.

ADA NRI1 : ASUU IS SAYING THAT THE JUMBO PAY TO USELESS SENATORS SHOULD BE PUT INTO THE EDUCATIONAL SECTOR SO THAT YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR CHILDRENS' EDUCATION, AND YOUR CHILDRENS' CHILDREN EDUCATION WILL BE SECURED (IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN WILL STILL GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS - JUST LIKE THE ONE YOU ATTENDED AND STILL GET EVEN BETTER EDUCATION THAN YOU).

THE RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT IS ALARMING IN THIS COUNTRY. HOW PARENTS ACTUALLY EARN BETTER SALARIES? AND HOW MANY CAN AFFORD THEIR CHILDREN IN PRIVATE UNIVERSIITES?

USE YOUR HEAD (TO THINK OF THE FUTURE), USE YOUR HEART (TO FEEL FOR ASUU).

REMEMBER, WHAT AN OLD MAN (ASUU) CAN SEE WHILE SEATED, YOU (BLABBERING STUDENTS) CANNOT SEE EVEN IF YOU CLIMB MOUNT KILIMANJARO AND EVEREST COMBINED TOGETHER.

Ada Nri1: So they want to be like senators ei? More reason why I think ASSU is just being selfish. They've looked at the jumbo pay of senators and want the same, forgetting that no Nigeria likes that jumbo pay to senators too.

lecturers are being paid less than their colleagues in other countries while politicians are being said higher than their colleagues in other countries. Who's selfish here? You know the percentage of Nigerian budget spent on about 500 people in the house of assembly?

Olumidzti: lecturers are being paid less than their colleagues in other countries ...

While I agree with your post almost entirely, I think it is important that we stop comparing ourselves with others. We should not necessarily ask to be paid like other countries. We should ask to be paid enough to attract and retain the best minds. Quick question: is the entry salary currently enough to attract first class students to lecturing? No. I think that speaks for itself.

meeking:

ADA NRI1 : ASUU IS SAYING THAT THE JUMBO PAY TO USELESS SENATORS SHOULD BE PUT INTO THE EDUCATIONAL SECTOR SO THAT YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR CHILDRENS' EDUCATION, AND YOUR CHILDRENS' CHILDREN EDUCATION WILL BE SECURED (IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN WILL STILL GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS - JUST
LIKE THE ONE YOU ATTENDED AND STILL GET EVEN BETTER EDUCATION THAN YOU).

THE RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT IS ALARMING IN THIS COUNTRY. HOW
PARENTS ACTUALLY EARN BETTER SALARIES? AND HOW MANY CAN AFFORD THEIR CHILDREN IN PRIVATE UNIVERSIITES?

USE YOUR HEAD (TO THINK OF THE FUTURE), USE YOUR HEART (TO FEEL FOR ASUU).

REMEMBER, WHAT AN OLD MAN (ASUU) CAN SEE WHILE SEATED, YOU (BLABBERING STUDENTS) CANNOT SEE EVEN IF YOU CLIMB MOUNT
KILIMANJARO AND EVEREST COMBINED TOGETHER.

we all know ASSU is not fighting just for students, it's fighting mainly for it's pockets. If they had gotten all the allowances they were demanding this strike would have been called of since. Mind you I passed through a Nigerian Uni, I discovered that apart from those few lecturers with moral compass, the rest were just there as a means of livelihood. The hatred for students; shocking! So don't tell me that their strike is for students, it's for them.
You just couldn't resist insulting others by saying we are blabbering, have some respect mate, everybody must not agree with you

prof.femi:


Don't misunderstand things. ASUU is primarily fighting for (a) its members (b) the Nigerian tertiary education system. We are not fighting for students in the sense of reducing their fees. We are fighting for students in the sense that the education you're getting is basically worthless, and (hopefully) with the right injection of funds, you are more *likely* to get a proper education. Gedit?

and d strike is d best way to get proper education? can u prove to me that funding is the number 1 problem of universities?

Olumidzti: lecturers are being paid less than their colleagues in other countries while politicians are being said higher than their colleagues in other countries. Who's selfish here? You know the percentage of Nigerian budget spent on about 500 people in the house of assembly?

We all know that most Nigerians want the lawmakers pay reduced, most Nigerians know that their lawmakers are greedy thieves. That being said, for ASSU to hold an entire educational institution to ransom just for increase in their pay still smacks of selfishness!

if the wife of the president can afford to give #500,000 to more almost all the houses in okrika LGA in PH for them to stay in their houses on the set date just because she wants to bury a woman she adopted as her mum, i see it as bullshit if the government should say they do not have the money to pay assu. and i must add, if ASUU should back down at this point, they have to pay a compensation fee to all student, (admitted or seeking admission) with a minimum of #200,000 each, for the time wasted.

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Ada Nri1: we all know ASSU is not fighting just for students, it's fighting mainly for it's pockets. If they had gotten all the allowances they were demanding this strike would have been called of since. Mind you I passed through a Nigerian Uni, I discovered that apart from those few lecturers with moral compass, the rest were just there as a means of livelihood. The hatred for students; shocking! So don't tell me that their strike is for students, it's for them.
You just couldn't resist insulting others by saying we are blabbering, have some respect mate, everybody must not agree with you

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wasak: and d strike is d best way to get proper education? can u prove to me that funding is the number 1 problem of universities?

When you say "prove to you" what does it mean? Anyhow, yes, funding is the number 1 problem because

1) The conditions of service are not good enough to attract and retain the best minds.
2) The good minds do decide to stay do not have the right equipment and conducive environment to work.

You probably want to tell me that lazy, greedy, indolent, unscrupulous etc. lecturers are the number one problem, no? Well, my friend, go back and look at point number 1 above. Fact is, you get what you pay for. If Nigerian universities cannot employ smart brains year-in-year-out, what happens is, you fill the system with a lot of dross. The lazy, greedy ones you hate are here because the funding is not right to attract the best minds. Gedit?

meeking:

ADA NRI1 : ASUU IS SAYING THAT THE JUMBO PAY TO USELESS SENATORS SHOULD BE PUT INTO THE EDUCATIONAL SECTOR SO THAT YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR CHILDRENS' EDUCATION, AND YOUR CHILDRENS' CHILDREN EDUCATION WILL BE SECURED (IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN WILL STILL GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS - JUST LIKE THE ONE YOU ATTENDED AND STILL GET EVEN BETTER EDUCATION THAN YOU).

THE RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT IS ALARMING IN THIS COUNTRY. HOW PARENTS ACTUALLY EARN BETTER SALARIES? AND HOW MANY CAN AFFORD THEIR CHILDREN IN PRIVATE UNIVERSIITES?

USE YOUR HEAD (TO THINK OF THE FUTURE), USE YOUR HEART (TO FEEL FOR ASUU).

REMEMBER, WHAT AN OLD MAN (ASUU) CAN SEE WHILE SEATED, YOU (BLABBERING STUDENTS) CANNOT SEE EVEN IF YOU CLIMB MOUNT KILIMANJARO AND EVEREST COMBINED TOGETHER.

I disagree with u completely.
lecturers hate d students and don't bloody care whether or not they get a good job or sound education. i hate all lecturers.... can u imagine one stubborn lecturer gave me D in a course where I tutor my fellow students.... if u want to be a Senator so be it....if u are a lecturer teach well, don't extort students and don't fail students because u didn't get a first class....old sadists!!!

wasak: lecturers hate d students and don't bloody care whether or not they get a good job or sound education.

Now that I see what you're writing, I wonder whether it was a good idea to respond to your post. Dude, I don't know about the lecturers in *your* alma mater, but I'm here to tell you that not only do I care about my students, they are about the main reason why I am still in this crazy country.

prof.femi:


When you say "prove to you" what does it mean? Anyhow, yes, funding is the number 1 problem because

1) The conditions of service are not good enough to attract and retain the best minds.
2) The good minds do decide to stay do not have the right equipment and conducive environment to work.

You probably want to tell me that lazy, greedy, indolent, unscrupulous etc. lecturers are the number one problem, no? Well, my friend, go back and look at point number 1 above. Fact is, you get what you pay for. If Nigerian universities cannot employ smart brains year-in-year-out, what happens is, you fill the system with a lot of dross. The lazy, greedy ones you hate are here because the funding is not right to attract the best minds. Gedit?

with due respect sir I beg to disagree with u...d lazy greedy ones are those in the executive cabinet of ASUU... they should sack themselves.. there are over a million qualified candidates ready to fill their place... so it's all about the money!? huh?

wasak:
I disagree with u completely.
lecturers hate d students and don't bloody care whether or not they get a good job or sound education. i hate all lecturers.... can u imagine one stubborn lecturer gave me D in a course where I tutor my fellow students.... if u want to be a Senator so be it....if u are a lecturer teach well, don't extort students and don't fail students because u didn't get a first class....old sadists!!!

TRUE, I DIDN'T GET A FIRST CLASS IN A NIGERIAN UNIVERSITY. BUT I GOT A FIRST CLASS IN A FOREIGN UNIVERSITY, FINISHED MY PH.D AT THE AGE OF 25 WITH A DISTINCTION. AND WAS ASKED TO COME AND RENDER SERVICE TO MY COUNTRY (WHICH I DID AND I'M DOING PRESENTLY).

WASAK, NOT ALL LECTURERS ARE THE SAME. I FOR ONE DON'T HATE MY STUDENTS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE THE BRIGHTEST STUDENTS.

I KNOW WHAT I WENT THROUGH IN THE UNIVERSITY IN THIS COUNTRY BUT THAT WILL NOT MAKE ME HATE SOMEONE ELSE (BECAUSE I AM EDUCATED - THAT MEANS I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO HATE A STUDENT - I'VE BEEN A VICTIM MYSELF).

BUT, YOU CANT BELIEVE IT THAT SOME OF MY ROLE MODELS ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME LECTURERS THAT I THOUGHT WERE VICTIMIZING ME WHEN I WAS SCHOOLING IN THIS COUNTRY.

I CAME TO REALIZE THAT ALL THEY WERE DOING (ONE WAY OR THE OTHER - EITHER LOVE OR HATE ME) THEY WERE DOING IT FOR MY OWN GOOD.

ITS ANOTHER WAY OF SEEING THINGS.

WASAK, "LOVE, DONT' HATE".

wasak: with due respect sir I beg to disagree with u...d lazy greedy ones are those in the executive cabinet of ASUU... they should sack themselves.. there are over a million qualified candidates ready to fill their place... so it's all about the money!? huh?

Don't act coy with me. I have trained and graduated more than 100 first class students, and know EXACTLY what I am talking about, if you don't.

About whether the lazy ones are the ones in ASUU executive, I cannot speak to that. Perhaps, I might remind you that everyone finds his calling? In any case, I do not look at whether the ones flying our banners are lazy. I look at the course we are fighting for. In time, when the system improves, the lazy, inept ones will be flushed out, be they exco or not.

The school fees of the students, where are they sinking into.......??
Even if the politicians re stealing...why can't they (able lecturers) continue teaching the students....and pretend as if the politicians re honest.....they should continue training the students on how they can turn out to be the best leader in the later future....rather...everybody wants to exercise their power....fighting for their selfish interest........God have mercy .....nigeria will soon be the giant of the world...i can see a brighter future.......
I have a dream.....a dream inspired by most of u....a dream which need u...u...u.and ur own coperation in making this dream realistic
i have a dream...ooh beautiful dream.....a dream which i see people sharing things together in one love...no need to be self-centred....no need of living a life of notice me......oh beautiful dream...i have a dream....i have a dream...i have a dream

GOD BLESS YOU

meeking:

TRUE, I DIDN'T GET A FIRST CLASS IN A NIGERIAN UNIVERSITY. BUT I GOT A FIRST CLASS IN A FOREIGN UNIVERSITY, FINISHED MY PH.D AT THE AGE OF 25 WITH A DISTINCTION. AND WAS ASKED TO COME AND RENDER SERVICE TO MY COUNTRY (WHICH I DID AND I'M DOING PRESENTLY).

WASAK, NOT ALL LECTURERS ARE THE SAME. I FOR ONE DON'T HATE MY STUDENTS AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE THE BRIGHTEST STUDENTS.

I KNOW WHAT I WENT THROUGH IN THE UNIVERSITY IN THIS COUNTRY BUT THAT WILL NOT MAKE ME HATE SOMEONE ELSE (BECAUSE I AM EDUCATED - THAT MEANS I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO HATE A STUDENT - I'VE BEEN A VICTIM MYSELF).

BUT, YOU CANT BELIEVE IT THAT SOME OF MY ROLE MODELS ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME LECTURERS THAT I THOUGHT WERE VICTIMIZING ME WHEN I WAS SCHOOLING IN THIS COUNTRY.

I CAME TO REALIZE THAT ALL THEY WERE DOING (ONE WAY OR THE OTHER - EITHER LOVE OR HATE ME) THEY WERE DOING IT FOR MY OWN GOOD.

ITS ANOTHER WAY OF SEEING THINGS.

WASAK, "LOVE, DONT' HATE".

.
I'm not hating.. all I'm saying is d industrial action is doing more harm than good...d strike can be called off with continuous negotiations.. but nay!!! ASUU won't agree...it's all about their pocket while I sit at home for months doing nothing only to resume for exams and I'm expected to pass @ d end of d day

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Even if the politicians re stealing...why can't they (able lecturers) continue teaching the students....and pretend as if the politicians re honest.....they should continue training the students on how they can turn out to be the best leader in the later future.

YES, LETS ALSO PRETEND THAT ASUU IS FIGHTING A HONEST FIGHT AND PRETEND WE ARE FIGHTING WITH THEM.

wasak: .
while [b]I sit at home for months doing nothing [/b]only to resume for exams and I'm expected to pass @ d end of d day

.

DO SOMETHING. MAYBE STUDY IN ANTICIPATION FOR A VERY DIFFICULT EXAM. (ACTUALLY, IT HELPS IF YOU OVER EXAGGERATE THE DIFFICULTY OF THE EXAMS WHILE YOU ARE STUDYING FOR IT). IT MAKES OVER PREPARED AND IN MOST CASES THE EXAM QUESTIONS WILL MELT UNDER YOUR PEN THE SAME WAY BUTTER MELTS IN BREAD.

I MEAN THE EXAM WILL BE SWEET.

wasak: .
while I sit at home for months doing nothing only to resume for exams and I'm expected to pass @ d end of d day

.

DO SOMETHING. MAYBE STUDY IN ANTICIPATION FOR A VERY DIFFICULT EXAM. (ACTUALLY, IT HELPS IF YOU OVER EXAGGERATE THE DIFFICULTY OF THE EXAMS WHILE YOU ARE STUDYING FOR IT). IT MAKES YOU OVER PREPARED AND IN MOST CASES, THE EXAM QUESTIONS WILL MELT UNDER YOUR PEN THE SAME WAY BUTTER MELTS IN BREAD.

GO TO THE LIBRARY AND READ A RELATED BOOK ON YOUR COURSE (IT EXPANDS YOUR HORIZON OF KNOWLEDGE).

I MEAN THE EXAM WILL BE SWEET.

prof.femi:


Don't act coy with me. I have trained and graduated more than 100 first class students, and know EXACTLY what I am talking about, if you don't.

About whether the lazy ones are the ones in ASUU executive, I cannot speak to that. Perhaps, I might remind you that everyone finds his calling? In any case, I do not look at whether the ones flying our banners are lazy. I look at the course we are fighting for. In time, when the system improves, the lazy, inept ones will be flushed out, be they exco or not.

okay. I'm not trynna act coy...let's Look @ it from this angle...
how about the money gotten from diplomas, post utme, part time programmes, and more?
how about solicitation from wealthy Nigerians? in my school for instance the VC solicits from wealthy people to carry out projects and in less than 2years he has achieved what predecessors put together didn't achieve.
I'm talking about professor Abdulrashid of Bayero university kano.
there are other ways of getting funds rather than putting everything on d government, the government is corrupt agreed but how much is Nigeria's overall budget in reality with ASUU's demands?
That Same VC. installed over 800 million naira facility @ our faculty of engineering without milking d government dry...
ASUU should make do wit the provisions of the government and ask for more when they have successfully justified such provisions!!!

meeking:

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It's a rude word mate

bobofati: See foolishness. stupid illiterate. go to school and learn how to respect ur elders.

an illiterate wouldn't have t typed all that... which elder should I respect? d one who demands for sex in return for A?

Ada Nri1: It's a rude word mate

WHATEVER MATE.