Ukuts gp: I have more than twenty issues to raise from those books u people have added to the bible to support ur barbaric teachings.

It shows the aprocrypha is man made fiction. GOD have nothing to do with it.
Those books are written by false prophets and satan's agents sent by him to discredit God. But they have failed woefully.

woky: During The time of Tobit, the new covenant has not come to an existance becouse as at then, they only observ convanant which requires constant offering of sacrifies for atonement of sins.

Now see what Luke 11:41 says
"but rather give alms of such things as you have; and, behold, all things are clean to you.

If you have time, Read Acts 10:2-4 to undestand more.

Sal C: @OP So all you want us to do is follow you blindly on which ever issue you raise and when you are proven wrong you dodge and come up with another issue? Tell me, all the issues you raised so far what are the conclusion?
Is the book of 1king not false and heretic?
Christ using concoction to cure the blind, is it occultic?
Is praise ordered by God as the only means of casting demons away?
Is God confined to a particular method when performing miracles.?

If you your method is to keep evading glaring truths then I will only say you just want to criticise and not to seek truth, then you can carry on with your wish.

I am not here to win an argument but to truth, I don't know about you.

The bible is not my final authority in matters of faith it is a trusted guide, I don't know about you.

woky: have not being following the thread shaa

bt i tink am now following starting from page 4, hope an not late..

woky: During The time of Tobit, the new covenant has not come to an existance becouse as at then, they only observ convanant which requires constant offering of sacrifies for atonement of sins.

Now see what Luke 11:41 says
"but rather give alms of such things as you have; and, behold, all things are clean to you.

If you have time, Read Acts 10:2-4 to undestand more.

Sal C: @OP So all you want us to do is follow you blindly on which ever issue you raise and when you are proven wrong you dodge and come up with another issue? Tell me, all the issues you raised so far what are the conclusion?
Is the book of 1king not false and heretic?
Christ using concoction to cure the blind, is it occultic?
Is praise ordered by God as the only means of casting demons away?
Is God confined to a particular method when performing miracles.?

If your method is to keep evading glaring truths then I will only say you just want to criticize and not to seek truth, then you can carry on with your wish.

I am not here to win an argument but to seek truth, I don't know about you.

The bible is not my final authority in matters of faith it is a trusted guide, I don't know about you.

Ukuts gp: to me the bible is my only guide. U people are just following mere tradition

Sal C: Lol intentionally gave that last line because i know you can resist responding to it but you won't want to be humble enough to handle the questions on that post.
Did you now see how truthful you are?

Sal C: Lol intentionally gave that last line because i know you can resist responding to it but you won't want to be humble enough to handle the questions on that post.
Did you now see how truthful you are?

Sal C: Nay man, but you will need to go through it from the 0 page to get the detail.

Demain_man:

You can also make more research and you will see that i am right.

This church that you are up in arms against put the whole bible together and named it bible. This is the oldest church known to man and all the other churches broke out of this Catholic Church.

Why not just abandon the whole bible and go look for you own book?

Next you will be blaming God for making Catholic church the first church.

JMAN05:

You maybe right cos you think you ve made a research and you have the truth, I also think I did. But lets reason it out. Your words:



1. When was Roman Catholic Church established?

2. When you say they put the bible together, what do you mean? that they assembled the inspired writings, "OT" and "NT", and named them bible?

3. I suppose you mean that, it is the oldest Christian Church known to man. How do you prove this point?



Are you saying that the Bible is Roman Catholic's?



Can you tell us how God made Roman Catholic the first Church and others the second, third, etc?

Ukuts gp: the men u mention are the prophet of God and God used them to do diverse miracles.

But i dnt see hw the smoke from the heart of fish and liver place in the fire precribed by that evil book of urs can chase away demons. It is purely occultic to me period.

And if u claim that the apocrypha books are inspired of God then u must b ready to defend all the issue that i will raise concerning those books. Or else, u will agree that it was a mere fiction made by man and have no bearing with God.

We will deal with d historical aspect later but now, let us deal with d content first.

I know that u will invite italo later cos ur strenght won't carry this alone.

D apocrypha books are books written by false prophets and agents of satan to discredit God but they hv failed woefully.

woky: pls read Acts 10:2-4 pray to the Holy spirit to guide you when reading

Ukuts gp: whether it was intentional or unintentional the glaring fact is that u people are following the roman traditions and nt God.

Ukuts gp: I know they would hv to invite you in this because they cannot match me in this very question. But who will i invite now?

Demain_man:

My dear friend, like i said earlier, i have done my research. There are so many threads here that have done justice to all these your questions above. Google them you will find answers. Take what you belief is the facts.

The Catholic Church compiled the bible books as you have them today and even named them accordingly that is a documented FACT! you are very free to think otherwise.

I have learnt that any debate by a protestant and a Catholic is not a debate but an ARGUMENT. I don't have power for that. I am not a Pastor looking for customers. You are free to serve your God as you please but don't bother trying to convince me. Only God himself can make me change from being a Catholic and when I do i will start my own and look for my own customers by discrediting all the other churches including the Catholic church and promoting only my own. It is called MARKETING

Ukuts gp: The apocrypha also teaches that giving of arms can purge one from sin and make one to earn everlasting life. Tobit 12:9 and Tobit 4:11. It means u can buy ur way into heaven. But this is contrary to the apostle's teachings. And it is false.

Ukuts gp: let him read it very well. I am waiting here. And try to invite the others cos only woky cant do the job.

Sal C: Let me give you a straight answer again and watch you shy away from truth.

Your question here is a very simply one to answer, the book of Tobit is in the old testament before the earthly existence of Jesus Christ therefore salvation then is largely dependent on works and sacrifices of which alms giving is a part of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that passage
You saying it means one can buy salvation with money is your own misinterpretation because alms giving does not always deal with money.

I have answered you now answer mine.
Is tobit in the new testament?
Will you mentain it contradict the apostles' teaching?
Is the teaching of the apostles in the old or new testament?
Did you now see that you are intentionally being biased?

Sal C: Do not panic it is not a do or die affair ok? Just keep and open mind and be truthful. Stop hiding behind mummy and accusing me of things I know nothing about.

Sal C: A false speech made out of fear.

Sal C: You personal view again and It doesn't change a thing without proof. Sorry about that.
Thank God I've not gone extra-biblical since we started and you are already agitating, If I do, that means you will run wild.

Ukuts gp: tell me when does arms giving becomes part of animal sacrifice use in making an atonement. Show me where the bible said that giving of arms can purge one of his sins.

In all the places 'arms' is used in the scripture, can u tell me how it was connected with the sacrifice of animals?

If arms is not giving, can u show me where it was used to mean the sacrifice of animals?

Can u tell me also were tobit was mentioned in the old testaments and when he existed?

Why do u and woky said a different thing?

Ukuts gp: everybody knows that even you. Stop pretending.
Who told u i would run wild.

Sal C: Oga are you reading your imaginations into my post.?
I said alms giving is a kind of sacrifice and you cleverly turned it to animal sacrifice.
I will gladly answer your questions when you must have answered mine.

Ukuts gp: and tobit was alive during jeroboam revolt. It did nt say sacrifice but giving of arms will purge u from ur sins and make u earn everlasting life. Was the term ''everlasting life'' ever used during the old testament? Does that book of luke u quoted shows that the arms u give can make atonement for ur sins? What can make an atonement for sins? Answer this once first? And lest i forget who through sacrifice make an atonement for his sins before the coming of covenant instituted by God during the time of moses?

Is it the new covenant or old covenant u are talking about?

woky: During The time of Tobit, the new covenant has not come to an existance becouse as at then, they only observ convanant which requires constant offering of sacrifies for atonement of sins.

Now see what Luke 11:41 says
"but rather give alms of such things as you have; and, behold, all things are clean to you.

If you have time, Read Acts 10:2-4 to undestand more.