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Opinion: 8 Reasons Why HND Is Superior To Bsc / Hnd Is Now B.tech Degree In All Nigerian Polytechnics / Hnd Is Better Than Bsc (2) (3) (4)
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Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by destino24(m): 5:09pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Shikena: Sorry, you can't make HND equal to a Bachelor's through the backdoor. This PDP ogboju won't work. You know what you signed for right from the admission process when you opted for a Polytechnic and not a University. Nigerians should stop bastardizing everything just for the sake of it. If you want a Bachelor's degree IN NIGERIA, then go to a university. The admission process is not even near the same level. The curriculum is different in content and in context - and in fields like Engineering, a Technologist (HND) is not an Engineer (B.Sc/B.Tech/B.Eng). If you are capable of being an Engineer and you opted to go and become a Technologist, that is your choice. #GBAM |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Omila007: 5:09pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
zebra: u mean u hate technologists? It means u're not a good engineer. Do u do engineering work without technologists? Do u implement ur designs by urself? U have to work with them, they are part of the engineering team. On point. A Lot of people don't understand the relationship between an engineer, a technologist and a technician. Universities award B.eng, B.sc etc, Colleges and polytechnic award 2yrs OND which is equivalent to graduate diplomas who are referred to as technicians, 3 or 4yrs co-op/I.T HND which is equivalent to advanced graduate diplomas who are referred to as technologists. Technologists operator and maintain while engineers can do the job of both the technician and technologist,he can also design which is the main advantage. In conclusion, yes, b.eng or bsc is higher than hnd or Ond. It is niether the same nor equivalent. N.b unilag can not award B.eng because it is not a university of science and technology like Futo or Esut. |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by destino24(m): 5:12pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
delux$: I'm telling you. 1st year 1st semester - Algebra(basic and advanced) 2nd semester - Calculus and coordinate geometry. Didn't even know it was divided until i saw the curriculum for mechanical Engineering in a polytechnic |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Anvaller: 5:13pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Relax guys, From what I have seen from the arguments here, everything still boil down at typical Naija mentality. Some with university degree are trying hard to rubbish HND so they can feel important with their university degrees, whereas we should be discussing the real issues, in the real sense of things, an HND certificate might be more relevant and regarded than even a BSC depending on specialization. HND is equivalent to BSC in terms of level of education achieved. Hnd graduates have attained the same level of education as BSC graduates the only difference is that u have both studied for different purposes. Nigerian government needs to restructure and improve our educational system because believe me guys, even university education in Nigeria is absolute crap, it is just funny that some university folks are talking down poly folks. One thing u don't know is that u just think u are better cos the society makes u think u are better. Whether university or poly, u are all products of an archaic dysfunctional educational system. Those who have got some good education abroad can tell me if I am lying. Guys, pls lets move beyond discrimination it ruins as us as a ppl. The question we should be asking here is why do we have polytechnics and universities? what are their responsibilities in the job market. Come and look at sectors like construction, oil and gas, engineering etc in North America. The guys from technical colleges grab the most opportunities. In fact the industry needs them the most and they earn big. Much bigger than what any white collar buddy can earn in several years of working. So guys instead of discriminating and condemning some ppl, may be we should be asking our government to put our education in the right place. And provide environment for industries that will absorb them. 9 Likes |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by destino24(m): 5:13pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Omila007: #GBAM |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by slimmboss: 5:14pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
ebichy: What is d argument about, ђέή we all know that HND is far better than BSC in experience, aΩ̴̩̩̩̥d̶̲̥̅̊ skills. Plz BSC holders don't use Nigeria as a shield to cover the fact that 4 years is not enough to fit in, in our country Nigeria. The fact remains that FG does not knw anything about development in education so let's stop this talk aΩ̴̩̩̩̥d̶̲̥̅̊ face it D̶̲̥̅̊A̶̲̅τ̲̅ both r gud but HND has better products to offer. I remember during my one year Industrial Attachment, a BSE holder could not draft a Formal letter! »̶-̶̶ †̥ånKz-►!I can bet u don't hav proof to d poo u jst said.u jst following old sayings of "poly gradjs are better"rabbish tlk.tins change u knw,most lecturers frm poly's upgrade to uni's or hav dreams of upgrading therefore contributing more to uni's dis dayz.pls uni gradj dis dayz are trying.EOD. 1 Like |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by destino24(m): 5:16pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Anvaller: Relax guys, On the contrary, HND holders are trying to feel too important. Every Engineer should understand and appreciate the different levels and cadres of the engineering family. HND holders don't want to accept the obvious (they are technologists). Bottom line: everyone is important in the engineering FAMILY 3 Likes |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by hyelhira: 5:17pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
No, destino, we are not running the UK system at all. I am telling you this as someone who has two UK degrees. destino24: |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Omila007: 5:21pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
#bizfirst#: It's appears so because we are in an under developed country where we do more of operation, implementation and maintenance Which is the job of technologists from polytechnic and there curriculum is designed to achieve that. Our engineer's can hardly create nor design with our educational curriculum lagging far behind that of the developed world. Imagine for Fortran 77 a programming language of 1977 still in our curriculum. We still do manual engineering drawing while we have all kinds of Cad software(autocad,solidwork, master cam, inventor) etc out there being implemented in curriculums around the world. 1 Like |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Nobody: 5:22pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Anvaller: Relax guys,A mature reactn u got thr bro |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by jeffoe(m): 5:22pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
look let not fool ourselves if u graduate from a polytechnic u are not an engineer o u are a technologist and mind u HND no be degree o na certificate with your HND when you apply for direct entry u would come into 200 level as far as uniben is concerned let not decieve ourselves u would understand better when u register with NSE and coren |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Omila007: 5:23pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
#bizfirst#: It's appears so because we are in an under developed country where we do more of operation, implementation and maintenance Which is the job of technologists from polytechnic and there curriculum is designed to achieve that. Our engineer's can hardly create nor design with our educational curriculum is lagging far behind that of the developed world. Imagine Fortran 77 a programming language of 1977 still in our curriculum. We still do manual engineering drawing while we have all kinds of Cad software(autocad,solidwork, master cam, inventor) etc out there being implemented in curriculums around the world. |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by destino24(m): 5:25pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
hyelhira: No, destino, we are not running the UK system at all. I am telling you this as someoyuwho has two UK degrees. Bro, you might wanna read my post properly before quoting me, UK initiated the system we are running, BUT THEY HAVE SINCE CHANGED THAT SYSTEM IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Nigeria has not changed the system |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Nobody: 5:26pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
slimmboss: I can bet u don't hav proof to d poo u jst said.u jst following old sayings of "poly gradjs are better"rabbish tlk.tins change u knw,most lecturers frm poly's upgrade to uni's or hav dreams of upgrading therefore contributing more to uni's dis dayz.pls uni gradj dis dayz are trying.EOD.If a uni student cld nt draft a formal leta,is dt d fault of d university? Does dt also mean u can neva find a poly student who cant draft a formal leta? |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Anvaller: 5:27pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Omila007: Thank u pal, these are the stuffs I think we should be concerned about and this is exactly what was on my mind when I wrote this in my earlier comment: "it is just funny that some university folks are talking down poly folks. One thing u don't know is that u just think u are better cos the society makes u think u are better. Whether university or poly, u are all products of an archaic dysfunctional educational system" |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by chucky234(m): 5:28pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
dejt4u:He said equivalent,huh |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by jeffoe(m): 5:29pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
abacus Cm: I am both B.sc and HND graduate.I discovered that HND courses are more technical and practical than B.sc courses.Both suppose to be equivalent and this discrimination should stop henceforth.did u mean and and bsc |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by jeffoe(m): 5:29pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
abacus Cm: I am both B.sc and HND graduate.I discovered that HND courses are more technical and practical than B.sc courses.Both suppose to be equivalent and this discrimination should stop henceforth.did u mean ond and bsc |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by kayusbrown(m): 5:30pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
destino24: I submitted it accidentally while still typing. It has been reposted. |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by destino24(m): 5:33pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Anvaller: Everyone knows we have serious issues in our educational system (from primary to tertiary). That said, a typical university graduate is better than a typical polytechnic graduate. This has nothing to do with the society. This is based on laid down rules of operation of this different cadres |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Nobody: 5:38pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Y is dis issue streamlined 2 jst engineerin, its nt d only course offered in Nija's tertiary institutns. 2 both parties nw,does ur argument hold water when considering other courses in various faculties? My take is dt if both shld be made equal then there curricula shld be made same,also poly lecturers shld include enough doctors & professors too jst lik in d universities bt by dt,i blive d purpose of settin up polytechnics hv been defeated |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Charbless(m): 5:39pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Yes we are Archaic products of an outminded country. I'v got a B.sc bt Hnd also rocks . |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Olugbenger(m): 5:42pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
destino24: Exactly. Poor HND guys. |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by clemmonce(m): 5:43pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
zebra: @dejt4u: Hope u did logic in maths? If u did i expect u to know that equivalence and equality are not the same. HND is equivalent to Bsc but not equal to a Bsc. @Mods: pls move this to front page let's argue this out.equivalent and equal are not the same? I hear you. smh |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by destino24(m): 5:44pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
kayusbrown: @OP Do not expect Nigerian bachelor's degree holders to agree with your assertion. The average Nigerian bachelor's degree holder sees the HND holder as a threat! So whenever the evil of HND discrimination is exposed, expect resistance from some insecure and inferior university graduates. The Nigerian HND is equivalent to bachelor's degree. That's a fact established not only by WES but also other credible International Credentials Evaluation Service providers. There are many misconceptions about the Nigerian HND: Which one are you talking about? B. Tech or HND About the practical and theory, polytechnics are supposed to do more practicals than theory. The reverse should be the case in a university. There is nothing wrong with that. "Engineer in society" by prof. S. I. Oluka.... Read the book |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Toyesky: 5:45pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Make una dey argue... How much dey your pocket even with all the book wey una don read? Some smart secondary school holders are richer than you guys making noise. Go and research more if the world wealthiest struggled about university or Polytechnic?... |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Ogbuefienubiaka: 5:46pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
Some people are very passionate when it come this argument about HND/B.SC. if you think HND is better then send you children to Poly and if you know B.Sc is belter send your children to University. We argue everyday HND is equal to B.SC and yet at any given opportunity we send our wards to university. As far as Nigeria is concerned B.SC and HND are not these and are not designed to be same. When you are through with this endless argument you go to labor market and present your case. If you can get a B.SC just go for it not HND 1 Like |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by jeffoe(m): 5:47pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
[quote author=Duke007][/quote] look most of the ond guys who came in through post de some either could not cope and ask to withdraw some graduated with poor result only a small percent had good grade Chem Engr university of Benin they attested to the fact that what they did in ond was merely child's play |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by kayusbrown(m): 5:48pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
destino24:On what fact is your assertion based? The evidence available out there is to the contrary. ICAN exam is an example, though that alone is not enough to make a sweeping generalisation that Poly grads are better. |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by sparkboy4122: 5:51pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
zebra: US schooling is better than that of Nigeria 100 times. Atleast u can see what not following their system has done to education in Nigeria and the economy as a whole.gbam |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Nobody: 5:56pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
so far only lastPage and Anvaller appeared to have made reasonable points. Most of the others are just shouting senseless things. Keep sentiments aside and look at the facts. These two are complementary and should be valued equally. Any other tori na story. 1 Like |
Re: Hnd Is Equivalent To A Bsc by Nobody: 5:59pm On Dec 30, 2013 |
This is what I personally know about University Graduate and Polytechnic Graduate..I am using Engineering and others as a case study.. I want the poly Grad to quickly answer this questions; Why are Poly grad calls Technicians and Uni grad Engineers? Why cant Poly grads do Masters straight without going thru PGD? I guess it is only a third class uni grad that will also do PGD before doing Masters? Why do Poly Grads have to go back to 200lvl when they want to do DE? In uni, for engineering students, You do induction and You are part of the NSE(Nigeria Society of Engineers)..is that also applicable to Poly Grads? When you get employed as a BSc Holder, you start from Level 8 step 2, do you know the level a HND grad starts from? Let me stop from here. once I have answers, I will cont with a real life experience of my Boss 1 Like |
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