phantonce: how many of your university graduate can stand student from yabatech or auchi poly.
except fromgovt jobs and some few banks like zenith bank that discriminates hnd,most firm prefer hnd cos they are practically sound and cheaper to their bsc counterpart.

have you met engineering graduates from OAU, UI ?

for HND grads, during your Undergraduate days, how many professors taught you and how many professors you have in ur dept? At University level, right from your 100lvl to final year, You will pass through alot of professors... during my 100lvl, I can count up to 4 Professors that taught me.. Both of you HND holders know that you can work as a graduate assistant in the university..

Olugbenger:

have you met engineering graduates from OAU, UI ?

Damn!! I did my IT in UI..Mehn, those students and staff are extra ordinary good!!

i crave the indulgence of all NAIRALANDERS to help us broadcast this ASUP STRIKE of a thing.

dejt4u:
let me tell u what probably u didnt knw about university education in Nigeria...
As a university graduate, u are bound to be versatile i.e u will nt be restricted to ur dept or faculty alone.. If u are a science student, u will tak some courses outside ur faculty be it admin, social science, art, tech etc weda as core courses, free electives, special electives or restricted electives.. So it makes dem more versatile dan ppl from other higher institutions..that is what i meant by revision of poly's curriculum..
Although, those wit OND or HND are very good in practicals even better than uni graduates especially in engineering... I hope
u get me better now

Mr man UR argument is basesless wat do you mean by saying university study wider than polytechnic.. Hav u bothered to look at the courses of polytechnic student compare to university frm the same course. If you don't let me tell you... Go to any university admitted to university through direct entry from polytechnic and you will see outstanding performance of the student among his peers because of wat he/ she acquired. So pls argue on what u know not what u don't know

This thread was created to discuss the equivalence of both degrees, but HND holders turned it to a Bsc bashing thread. Now they feel the heat, and they cry foul.

Soyedele1: for HND grads, during your Undergraduate days, how many professors taught you and how many professors you have in ur dept? At University level, right from your 100lvl to final year, You will pass through alot of professors... during my 100lvl, I can count up to 4 Professors that taught me.. Both of you HND holders know that you can work as a graduate assistant in the university..

Bros easy abeg. Laboratory attendants would do for HND holders.


You know how much they claim to know praticals.

Olugbenger: This thread was created to discuss the equivalence of both degrees, but HND holders turned it to a Bsc bashing thread. Now they feel the heat, and they cry foul.

Bros easy abeg. Laboratory attendants would do for HND holders.


You know how much they claim to know praticals.

Soyedele1:

Damn!! I did my IT in UI..Mehn, those students and staff are extra ordinary good!!

Exactly. They compare half baked university graduates from wack institutions with Top students from their best Polythenics to score cheap and silly points and regurgitate false beliefs.

They just keep proving themselves inferior and i'm gona help them do that, as much as i can.

Soyedele1: for HND grads, during your Undergraduate days, how many professors taught you and how many professors you have in ur dept? At University level, right from your 100lvl to final year, You will pass through alot of professors... during my 100lvl, I can count up to 4 Professors that taught me.. Both of you HND holders know that you can work as a graduate assistant in the university..

What university did u attend? I graduated from unilag; accounting, I was taught by just 2 profs, one just became a prof dt same year he taught us and I can count the number of times they came to class. We had more lecture 1 and 2 as our lecturers. We had no qualified lecturer to teach us Group accounts applying IFRS and my dpt engages tthe services of a renowned lecturer from yabatech to teach us on advanced FA. Am a proud akokite but we don't necessary have anything over yabatech in the accounting discipline.

OP, where are you?

Why are we even arguing about this? If they are equivalent, why is it that in the University of Ibadan for example, applying through Direct Entry into the faculty of Technology with your ND means you'll start in 200l or 300l with HND. If they are equivalent as you claim, why is it that HND holders can only start from 300l? To me they are not equivalent to each other.

destino24: OP, where are you?

I dey one side dey watch.

Nigerians with their unnecessary Pride. We all know the Nigerian Education system can not be compared to that of the US, yet the US could evaluate HND to be equivalant to Bsc. Let come to think of if that does the Bsc graduate Know that the HND holder don't know? I am a graduate of both the University and Polytechnic. I know very well what am talking about, there is absolutely no need for the decrimation. Been thought by a professor does not change anything. An HND holder will measure up with a Bsc hold any day any time all things being equal.

Why this arguement? Take Jamb enter Uni or or score less than 150 and dump yourself in Poly. The two are not the same in terms of standard.

Od31: Nigerians with their unnecessary Pride. We all know the Nigerian Education system can not be compared to that of the US, yet the US could evaluate HND to be equivalant to Bsc. Let come to think of if that does the Bsc graduate Know that the HND holder don't know? I am a graduate of both the University and Polytechnic. I know very well what am talking about, there is absolutely no need for the decrimation. Been thought be a professor does not change anything. An HND holder will measure up with a Bsc hold any day any time all things being equal.

Page 1 to 3. Your answers are there. Go go!!

rckdude:

What university did u attend? I graduated from unilag; accounting, I was taught by just 2 profs, one just became a prof dt same year he taught us and I can count the number of times they came to class. We had more lecture 1 and 2 as our lecturers. We had no qualified lecturer to teach us Group accounts applying IFRS and my dpt engages tthe services of a renowned lecturer from yabatech to teach us on advanced FA. Am a proud akokite but we don't necessary have anything over yabatech in the accounting discipline.

Well, thats you!! I have been taught by over 15 professors..

Degree vs Diploma
Both degree and diploma are awards conferred on to a person on the successful completion of an educational course. However, there are several differences between both the terms and cannot be used interchangeably.
The tenure of a degree course can be around 3-4 years based on the geographical location while one can complete a diploma within 1-2 years. A degree is generally conferred to a person by an accredited or recognized university whereas a diploma can be conferred to a person by any private educational or vocational institution or polytechnic.
Also, the focus and aims of both the degree course and diploma course are different. A degree course emphasizes significance on academics. The curriculum is so structured that the person undergoing the course is provided overview of several subjects apart from one subject that the person may interested in exploring further for both career and academic interests. Typically, that one subject is called a ‘major’ or ‘specialization’ whereas other subjects are called minors or electives. For instance, if one is interested in pursuing a degree in accounting, the course will involve several other subjects that may come in use for a career in accounting such as mathematics, statistics, business etiquette and commercial law.
The diploma, on the other hand, focuses on getting a person trained and qualified in a particular business or trade. The curriculum, while teaching the minimum required academic and theoretical knowledge, emphasizes more on how to handle on the job situations. Some of them even include a short stint of apprenticeships and on-the job training as part of the diploma course. Taking the same example as mentioned above, pursuing a diploma in accounting may involve training the person on book keeping. The curriculum will not involve subjects like business etiquette or statistics.

http://www.differencebetween.net/business/difference-between-degree-and-diploma/

Od31: Nigerians with their unnecessary Pride. We all know the Nigerian Education system can not be compared to that of the US, yet the US could evaluate HND to be equivalant to Bsc. Let come to think of if that does the Bsc graduate Know that the HND holder don't know? I am a graduate of both the University and Polytechnic. I know very well what am talking about, there is absolutely no need for the decrimation. Been thought be a professor does not change anything. An HND holder will measure up with a Bsc hold any day any time all things being equal.

So you are a graduate of a both a university, and a polythenic?

You mean after you completed your HND, you still had to go to a university to get a Bsc and are spewing nonsense about their equality here?

Soyedele1:

Well, thats you!! I have been taught by over 15 professors..

Then I guess it won't be hard for you to state your school, faculty and department. Would it?

rckdude:

What university did u attend? I graduated from unilag; accounting, I was taught by just 2 profs, one just became a prof dt same year he taught us and I can count the number of times they came to class. We had more lecture 1 and 2 as our lecturers. We had no qualified lecturer to teach us Group accounts applying IFRS and my dpt engages tthe services of a renowned lecturer from yabatech to teach us on advanced FA. Am a proud akokite but we don't necessary have anything over yabatech in the accounting discipline.

Yes, even in ABU too. Most of our lecturers were Msc and PhD holders with probably 2 profs. Most of the profs were supervising Msc and PhD students and only sent graduate assistants under them to lecture for them. How many profs dey Mathematics dept ABU, zaria sef?

Av attended d both schools with certificates. Poly is d sch for d poor in naija aπϑ dia method of lecturing is So poor. Uni is d best aπϑ will always remain

rckdude:

Then I guess it won't be hard for you to state your school, faculty and department. Would it?

LADOKE AKINTOLA UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY
FACULTY OF ENGINEERING AND TECHNOLOGY
AGRICULTURAL ENGINEERING DEPT

Do professors lecture in polytechnics? Let dem go away joorrrr

rckdude:

What university did u attend? I graduated from unilag; accounting, I was taught by just 2 profs, one just became a prof dt same year he taught us and I can count the number of times they came to class. We had more lecture 1 and 2 as our lecturers. We had no qualified lecturer to teach us Group accounts applying IFRS and my dpt engages tthe services of a renowned lecturer from yabatech to teach us on advanced FA. Am a proud akokite but we don't necessary have anything over yabatech in the accounting discipline.

You are a certified clown. So now you folks have resorted to comparing the staff of the institutions?

You better discuss what you know.


I don't even believe this your tale of Unilag having no competent lecturer to take you on International Financial Reporting Standards. I'm in the engineering field, but i know relevant facts about such things and how to relate them to issues. Even my sibling in the accounting line won't say such about her institution, not Unilag however.

Don't make me expose you here.

Now, have you been to other polythenics?

What do you know about their teaching staff strength compared to universities?

WES is not accepted in some states in the US and some provinces in Canada, they usually have their own credential and qualification assessment agencies. Using the engineering province of Alberta as a case study, IQAS is the accepted agency for credentials and qualifications assessment. IQAS recognize OND as a 2years post secondary diploma and HND as a 3years post secondary diploma. The HND does not compare to a 4years bachelor. WES is preferred by most immigration agencies though.

rckdude:

Then I guess it won't be hard for you to state your school, faculty and department. Would it?

No mind that big liar. No be only 15 profs, na 51.

wen u go look 4 work u go knw say there is notin equivalent btw dem

zebra: No mind that big liar. No be only 15 profs, na 51.

Mr Zebra, Na Fight? I guess You dont have Prof to lecture you

I feel your pains!!

zebra: Yes, even in ABU too. Most of our lecturers were Msc and PhD holders with probably 2 profs. Most of the profs were supervising Msc and PhD students and only sent graduate assistants under them to lecture for them. How many profs dey Mathematics dept ABU, zaria sef?

As in!!! In the faculty of business admin, we have just about 10 profs or so for the whole faculty. Enough Drs though but still I was taught mostly by assistant lecturers and lecturer 1 and 2. The senior lecturers and profs would rather go for sabbatical leave and go and teach in private unis, wen dey com back, they only teach post graduates.

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kayusbrown:
Only a mad man does things without reason. I had to explain so that the prejudiced minds will see the real reasons behind my choices. I have observed that you and destino24 are only interested in winning arguments instead of reasoning logically and making unbiased deductions like the engineer you claim to be. You are embarrassing the sound engineers if you don't know.

Start reading from page one. You would understand who's been reasoning logicallly, and those hell bent on winning arguments.

dejt4u:
let me tell u what probably u didnt knw about university education in Nigeria...
As a university graduate, u are bound to be versatile i.e u will nt be restricted to ur dept or faculty alone.. If u are a science student, u will tak some courses outside ur faculty be it admin, social science, art, tech etc weda as core courses, free electives, special electives or restricted electives.. So it makes dem more versatile dan ppl from other higher institutions..that is what i meant by revision of poly's curriculum..
Although, those wit OND or HND are very good in practicals even better than uni graduates especially in engineering... I hope u get me better now

better than university graduates in what practicals? probably your school only. Dont be decieved by those telling you that. How many machines are working in this country that you are talking about practicals? to st the records straigth...As a degree holder you are a specialist/consultant. you write instructions for the technician to carry out the work which orginary you already know the principle behind such work. the technician now consults you or the general manual to carry out the instructions dished to him by the specialist (Degree holder). there is no way graduate of BSc Chemistry can ever be equivalent
/equal with a polytechnic graduate who studied Science laboratory technology: chemistry option. Th former knows all the chemistry while the latter just study some fractions of the chemistry (the reason its an option) but versatile in laboratory practices and management over the BSc holder. Please be real and dont try to massage anyone's ego.