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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:13pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Idowuogbo: 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by joomiegirl(f): 9:16pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: Trust me, I lay no claims to feminism. None whatsoever . Don't put me in that box. That I expect my input at work to be recognised and rewarded accordingly, and very fairly too, goes without saying..and does not make me one. About my comments in relation to chivalry,lunch/dinner.. paying the bills et al, I was speaking basically with reference/in response to A.Gonzago's article, which is what started off this thread in the first place. You might want to go back and read it THROUGH, this time... No confusion in my post. You should recognise mild sarcasm..Obviously when I was speaking about biological/physiological altercations, I was CLEARLY speaking tongue-in-cheek. . Chai! You people seriously need to lighten up a bit. Bottom line, I KNOW what I want, and what I don't in my dealings with both sexes. Not at all confused in any way. I know the basis and the foundation for MY OWN belief system. You asked, "how do you know how God designed it to be?" Trust me, I KNOW. that's all I would say on that for now. Your partner has the last word in decisions, abi? Even though you have solid input, not so? Which means you made sure you choose someone whom you respected enough for you to "follow". Good for you. That's the smart thing to do, religion or no. Perhaps you're not a "radical feminist".. na for this thread I hear say una get grade Anyways...*yawn*...like I said earlier Let every man do what seemeth good unto himself. That's today's world! 6 Likes |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:22pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: SERIOUSLY, U DO HAVE AN IDEA, BUT THAT IS JUST WHAT IT IS... "AN IDEA" |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by mcino: 9:30pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Very good points... good to see a debate rooted in fact rather than fact I am well aware that you didn't write the article and that made me to refer to you as OP, while the owner of the article was referred to as the writer. Sure, you don't need to be female to understand female issues, but in a presentation like this, it is necessary to put everything into perspective. I accused you of deliberately ignoring the fact, and in fact facilitated a wrong notion that the writer is a female, and I stand by it. You replied thus, " 4. Also she raised the practical example of living in a highly feminized society and the fact that marital issues still occur" to Cococandy, which I consider a deliberate mischief to misguide opinions. Cococandy also fell for it, referred to him as 'she', when she replied, "if I didn't read it,how else did I know what she said?" and the flow continued from there. Those that can reason know the psychological implication of this. I did not expect you to answer for the writer, though you can defend him as the poster, if you think my observation is defensible. So, when I observed that it is intellectually fraudulent to deliberately try to confuse the audience, by implying that Adichie expected to be assisted by men in an elevator, when there is no premises upon which it is based. So, if what you mean by "Is she entitiled to get people to perform chivalric acts" is her complain about the unfriendliness of the Swedish, i guess you can see where i stand. However, I already stated my stand on feminism and would be disappointed in her if she is a feminist and still expect men to help her because she is a woman. Anybody could expect to be helped when in need, regardless of gender, opinions and inclinations, but expecting that simply because you are a woman, when you advocate equality is simply crazy. Finally, I would appreciate if you can cite a reference on the attack she made on Achebe. If your accusation is right and she atries to appeal to the west, it is her life and her responsibility to do whatever she likes with it. Moreover, she is made by the west and grossly disparaged at home, so where do you think her allegiance will be. This in no way means that I agree to that assertion. She is being herself and sharing her own opinion on various issues, just like every other person who has such an opportunity to have an audience. I strongly believe that she should be allowed to flow with her opinions, while those with contrary opinions should try and sell theirs without attacking her. I honestly believe that those that try to sell their opinion by attacking Adichie's opinion are seeking cheap publicity, by trying to ride on her popularity. I find it a lazy thing to do. One should be able to build a reputation before seeking popularity. Those that do otherwise, or try to attack popular people in other to gain popularity do not go far. 2 Likes |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:32pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
joomiegirl: I have lucidly pointed out that you do not even know what feminism is about so how can you choose to support or oppose it? Do you also expect to have the right to vote? Do you expect to get the same salary a man gets in the same position? Do you expect to have the right to be educated? About my comments in relation to chivalry,lunch/dinner.. paying the bills et al, I was speaking basically with reference/in response to A.Gonzago's article, which is what started off this thread in the first place. So? Is it an excuse to continue with illogical comments on feminism? No confusion in my post. You should recognise mild sarcasm..Obviously when I was speaking about biological/physiological altercations, I was CLEARLY speaking tongue-in-cheek. Sarcasm or not, biological differences are totally out of place when talking about feminism. Bottom line, I KNOW what I want, and what I don't in my dealings with both sexes. And I know that you want your mugus to pay for you while you keep your money to yourself. You are a smart woman Your partner has the last word in decisions, abi? Even though you have solid input, not so? Which means you made sure you choose someone whom you respected enough for you to "follow". Good for you. That's the smart thing to do, religion or no. The keyword here is choice, the choice I wouldn't have without feminism. Perhaps you're not a "radical feminist".. na for this thread I hear say una get grade Now answer my questions, please: Do you believe women should have the right to vote? Do you believe women should be paid the same salary as men doing the same work? Do you believe women should have the right to be educated? 3 Likes |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:34pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
njokusboy: So? 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by joomiegirl(f): 9:37pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Kay17: The trick below is what you are trying to use abi? *unfazed, bursts out laughing, continues eating popcorn...* its not "werking" for you, dear. 5 Likes
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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Decryptor(m): 9:46pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: Then why are you just following the crowd of deluded feminists? 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:47pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: I like d fact that this is all u got to say 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:48pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Decryptor: I am not following them, I am leading them |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:48pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by KLand(m): 9:49pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
The writer made a good impression. Without sentiments, I think the piece emanated from a brilliant mind. Those who are criticising the writer should take it easy. I must say, Adichie should know that the child that calls his mother a bad woman will not be himself considered a good child. Speaking ill about her country may help her sell her books but it will not earn her a good reputation in our eyes. Feminism is not a very balanced movement. To be honest, it is not a concept that helps the society. It does more harm than good. I believe the facts are clear. |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Decryptor(m): 9:51pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: Ok! Keep "holding yourself " and the ones you are leading backward (according to the photo) and continue laying the blame on patriarchy. |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Kay17: 9:52pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
pickabeau1: You have to start by recognising the efforts of past feminists in breaking down the barriers women once faced. Secondly, there is still much to be done. I am not a feminist, I don't believe in affirmative action either, I'm for the removal of barriers and bounds. For one, abortion is a safe and easy medical surgery that should be available to all women, it is illegal in Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:53pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
KLand: The writer made a good impression. Without sentiments, I think the piece emanated from a brilliant mind. Those who are criticising the writer should take it easy. First of all, many more people in Nigeria and abroad address the country's problems and there is nothing wrong about it. Secondly, she always repeats how her heart is in Nigeria and criticizes the fact the the Western media focuses on the problems of the country creating a one-dimensional image of Nigeria and Africa in general. 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 9:55pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Decryptor: Does it make any sense to you to post pictures of white girls on a predominantly black forum? How do the lives of white women in the West can be compared to those of black women in Africa? Like seriously? 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 9:56pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
I erroneously thought the writer was female. I had initially guessed male but the style was female hence i assumed that way and i subsequently modified my post.. an earlier poster ihedinobi2 had mentioned it before u highlighted it Good u agree chivalry makes no sense in an equal society On the comments by adichie on achebe, i will try n get links on that good debate mcino: |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:04pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Kay17: The efforts of the pioneers are recognised. Its the travails of the neo- ones i dont get when you say barriers and bounds.... forgive me if i say that is vague.. can u be more specific Abortion.. lets accept that... if that is given as a right say pre 20 weeks... will that be ok i need specific things to discuss with |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Decryptor(m): 10:04pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: Oh really?? What race did the proponents of this feminism come from predominantly? So it was the black women in Africa like Winnie Mandela, Okonjo Iweala or Dieziani that brought about the feminism movement as an ideology right? You see why I say these feminists esp the ones we have here in Afica (Nigeria) are so deluded and clueless! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And look below, she's an Ethiopian 2 Likes
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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:07pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
carefreewannabe: brecuase it is a white female ideology A lot of our black ladies dont know this Historically it is believed that it was introduced in black communities in the US to undermine the black man in the wake of victories obtained by the Civil Rights Act 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 10:12pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Decryptor: The West lives in the post-feminist era. Women and girls in this part of the world enjoy what their grandmothers fought for. The st.upid girls you poted the pics of take every right they enjoy for granted but their grandmothers had to fight hard for them. Women in Africa fight for something Western women were fighting for 50 years ago. Nobody in the West is talking about feminism anymore as much as Nigerians are. Like always, Africans are AT LEAST half a century behind. WAKE UP. What the West will be concerned about in the next years will be the rights of fathers if Western men decide to stand up for their rights. This will only turn into a mass movement if they will feel the need to do so. Do not compare the West to Africa. Nigerians are AT BEST 50 years behind. 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Kay17: 10:14pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
pickabeau1: I just realised that I would be derailing the thread by discussing specifics such as abortion. So I redeem myself by sticking to the relevant issues. If you want to talk about the broader aspects, open a thread on that and invite me. As it relates to the OP, the bolded contradicts your earlier statements that feminism is harmful to the society, but now you find the work of its pioneers valuable. That there was the need for feminism. So where do you stand? For or Against feminism OR against neo-feminism? 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 10:15pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Feminism is not about colour. Another fallacy. 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:16pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Kay17: I think it will be better here... as there are too many threads i believe in fairness. I dont see why a person (male or female) should be discriminated against on basis of gender, colour or religion The same way women get favours from men can be termed sexist also I believe in education for both sexes. A list of the issues is ok.. abortion tends to be touchy because of the religious and traditional issues around it but i know in the US, 20 weeks or so is the generally agreed life boundary. i will not argue with you on abortion as women should be incontrol of reporductive rights subject to a caveat. if i tell you i dont want that baby pre-20weeks and you dont abort it, i aint paying for no child support otherwise science says the foetus is just a clump of cells Lets discuss here carefreewannabe: Interesting.. ok I asked kay17 the particular issues still to be resolved he/She mentioned abortion Any ideas on this? |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by TV01(m): 10:18pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Kay17: The truth remains, gender is a function of culture, don't mistake it with sexes which biological.Gender is a needless construct, which is just an excuse for licence and indulgence - another misappropriated word in the pursuit of sexual incontinence. Kay17: The battleground for feminism is focussed on rights. Political, social and economic rights not on courtship issues.As an ideology, feminism leaves no facet of societyor human relations untouched. The feminist belief is that men are oppressors and matrimony as a vehicle engenders - pun intended - that oppression. Further in the pursuit of equality - for which read sameness - a man can never ever have "authority over a woman, and we daren't mention the submission word. Kay17: Feminism is much more deeper than gender roles. Hence most of the arguments against it are often red herrings and shallow.Nope. Nothing deep or edifying about it. it's a scam - the pursuit of female privilege without responsibility - pure and simple. Kay17:Abortion is a privacy issue? Can I beg, borrow or steal a laugh. The right to murder an unborn child is a matter of privacy? Health rights?. Absolutely farcical. Is Pregnancy a disease. Kay17: Feminism became prominent especially with the political right to a vote.Was it only women that were denied the vote? And in as much as they did not have individual votes, did they not have representation? Keep trotting out fallacies. TV 2 Likes |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by MrAnony1(m): 10:22pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
coogar:What exactly is it that makes you equate feminists to terrorists? 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 10:23pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Social issues such as the name calling of women who are not married and past 30. Social issues such as the celebraion of "bad boys" but discrimination of women who are not ashamed of having a libido. Social and economic issues such as the conviction that a woman's primary role is motherhood. Economic issues such as the ownership of properties. I could go on and on. 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by sisiafrika(f): 10:24pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Idowuogbo:not u ooo Idowuogbo:not u ooo |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Kay17: 10:29pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
TV01: Obviously if a woman secures more rights, so also her power increases. The effect thereof reflects on society, on the family, workplace etc. A careerist woman is hardly a model of submission, so I understand your fears that the matrimony is at risk. Yet everyone has a right to the pursuit of happiness. 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:33pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Please do - so we can thrash this issues out carefreewannabe: people should be able to live their own lives to their fullest You dont need feminism to stop stigma of single career ladies With modernisation and education, this will stop Things are changing The DG of the Securities and Exchange Commission is a single. so many professionals in Nigeria who are single and living their lives with time this will stop
Slutshaming still exists in that same West.. you know right? Guys will use and dump a ho whether they call her names or not If slutshaming is made a crime today, does it mean guys will be forced to copulate with women they know or perceive as sluts Guys dont want high mileage punnies... simple
Similar to the post above... if u want to get to the top as a woman,... parenting is not for you
Ownership of properties... this is an education issue and the suffering of widows due to the demise of the breadwinners is an eyeopener There were traditional checks which are inadequate and failed Women can own properties.this is guaranteed. im sure you have females in your circle who own properties, cars in naija. this is a human rights issue. Go on please |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Kay17: 10:34pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Mr Pickbeau1 the very foundation of your stand is at risk, you have admitted that feminism has made invaluable contributions to society, and that admission stands in direct contradiction to your OP that feminism is harmful to society. Please resolve that immediately. Because if you believe feminism is good, the whole point of this thread vanishes. So again I say, it is a fundamental risk. 1 Like |
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:35pm On Jul 31, 2014 |
Kay17: Mr/Mrs/Ms Kay17 Everyone here has agreed that it had some benefits with the first and second waves. That is not in question Socialism and Communism had its benefits i am asking what is its purpose for d NOW? |
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