Fulaman198:

Ok that's fine let us assume we utilise this thought process. Do you truly believe that the West, Asia and other regions in the world will stop calling us black? I highly doubt that. To someone (an outsider) who is not an African and knows nothing about Africa, I am a black man, nothing more nothing less.

Popularly held beliefs can be swayed by propaganda indeed they are influenced by what is widely broadcast. The thinking of the masses can shaped and what delight if it is shaped by truth.

LordReed:

Popularly held beliefs can be swayed by propaganda indeed they are influenced by what is widely broadcast. The thinking of the masses can shaped and what delight if it is shaped by truth.

Ok, but let's not deceive ourselves. We will be seen as black people for a very long time to come.

@plaetton @Fulaman198 @Weah96
Your opinions on this:

http://orvillejenkins.com/ethnicity/geneticsoutofafrica.html

Question:
When scientists say that we are all "out of Africa" what do they mean? Do they mean that all human beings came from people whom we could identify today as Black Africans?

Answer:
"O ut of Africa" is primarily a geographic reference. But it does also mean that all modern humans have one biological (genetic) source. This term "out of Africa" means that all branches of study indicate that all the humans of the world are of one family, and share a sequence of DNA that indicates all of us descend from the same original parents. The trail leads back to Africa.

The Original Community
From DNA comparisons of samples all over the world, specific enough information has been analyzed to narrow down information on genetic origins to an original community of 10,000 or fewer individuals. These details and procedures are detailed in works by the specialists in that area. This sequence of migration from Africa to other parts of the world is indicated by genetics and corroborated by archaeology, linguistics and other disciplines of study.
The people called "Black Africans" today are one of the descendant groups. (And note that there is a wide diversity among the "African" groups, similar to the great variety of human types we may refer to as " Europeans " ) We cannot be sure what the physical colour or exact features of original humans were, but there are some studies that have tried to make sense of the details. Note that these views are based (following the scientific method) on what has been discovered and determined up to now. The picture may change or be clarified as more is discovered about human prehistory.

Some more:

http://www.biologyreference.com/Ar-Bi/Biology-of-Race.html

EXCERPT:

Some differences between populations may
correlate with historical exposure to different
infectious diseases. For example, certain genetic
variants of hemoglobin (for example, those
causing sickle-cell anemia in people of African
descent and thalassemia in people of
Mediterranean descent) were strongly selected
because they provide defensive mechanisms
against infection by the organism that causes
malaria ( Plasmodium ). Such environmental
selection pressures have caused more than three
hundred variants of the hemoglobin molecule.
Cystic fibrosis (CF), a disorder of a gene that
produces a protein that forms a chloride pump
in cell membranes, allows for the buildup of
mucus in the respiratory tract, thereby leading
to death from pathogenic invasion. Yet the
heterozygous condition for CF protects against
extreme dehydration due to cholera. Tay-Sachs
disease, a disorder of an enzyme that breaks
down a molecule in the myelin sheath of nerve
fibers, is found more commonly in people of
eastern European Jewish descent than in other
populations. Whether the Tay-Sachs gene
protects against an infectious disease is
unknown, though some have made a connection
to tuberculosis exposure.
The molecular techniques outlined above now
allow anthropologists to study the migration
patterns of ancient peoples. Genetic diversity has
resulted from the extensive hybridization that
has occurred in the last two hundred thousand
years, hiding any clear evidence for typological
classification of race. Moreover, when selection
pressures (temperature, altitude) are coupled
with phenotypic variation, phenotypic
expression defies taxonomic assignment of race.
The genetic diversity within any historically
defined race swamps the small amount of
difference between such groups, making the
boundaries of these categories entirely arbitrary.
Therefore, race in humans does not have a
biological meaning.

We get it LordReed, you don't want to accept the fact that the first Africans were black fine. What other colour would they have been then? When evidence clearly points to them being black.

Fulaman198: We get it LordReed, you don't want to accept the fact that the first Africans were black fine. What other colour would they have been then? When evidence clearly points to them being black.

You obviously don't get it. How many times do I have to repeat that the question is not of skin colour or geographic location but of RACE?! Our progenitors could not have been of any RACE, black or white because such distinction can not have existed!!! Did you read this:

Moreover, when selection
pressures (temperature, altitude) are coupled
with phenotypic variation, phenotypic
expression defies taxonomic assignment of race.
The genetic diversity within any historically
defined race swamps the small amount of
difference between such groups, making the
boundaries of these categories entirely arbitrary.
Therefore, race in humans does not have a
biological meaning.

I wonder how you can now say with certainty that our progenitors were black.

LordReed:
The genetic diversity within any historically
defined race swamps the small amount of
difference between such groups, making the
boundaries of these categories entirely arbitrary.
Therefore, race in humans does not have a
biological meaning.

I understand what you're saying, but there are trivial variations in genes, and major ones. The genes which code for skin color are pretty important. But if you're putting them all in one pile, then yea. The genes for a huge gluteus and the genes for a toned round as)s, I would say are pretty trivial. But they're different. And I would bang both of those chicks. But it matters if one is white or not. The concept of race cannot be discarded for that reason.

Weah96:

I understand what you're saying, but there are trivial variations in genes, and major ones. The genes which code for skin color are pretty important. But if you're putting them all in one pile, then yea. The genes for a huge gluteus and the genes for a toned round as)s, I would say are pretty trivial. But they're different. And I would bang both of those chicks. But it matters if one is white or not. The concept of race cannot be discarded for that reason.

Are you saying that race as defined by skin colour is more important than race as defined by genetics?

lomaxx: There's only one pigment that colors the skin of humans- melanin. Genetic mutation in the gene that codes for melanin protein seems to be a probable cause. Mutation can lead to an over-expression, an under-expression or an absence of expression. For blacks, an over-expression of the gene that codes for melanin seems to be a probable explanation.

Lomaxx

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Variation in human gene/ melanin production gave rise to the variation of skin colours;

1) White (Western Europe/ Northern America)
2) Black (Africa and Australia)
3) Red (Northern America)
4) Yellow (Eastern Asia)
5) Brown (Latin and India) and everything in between.

@ OP, Mr. Lomaxx gave you the reason why different skin colours is possible. The bible will show you how the black race came to be.

Read Gen 10:1,6,7

Noah gave birth to Ham, Ham gave birth to CUSH, CUSH gave birth to SEBA and Raamah, Raamah gave birth to SHEBA. CUSH is believed to be the ancestor of all BLACK race since he the ancestor of Ethiopa (SHEBA) who are black in skin colour predominantly.

LordReed:

Are you saying that race as defined by skin colour is more important than race as defined by genetics?

No. The two definitions are the same. Skin color is determined by genes, just like big noses or straight hair are. But you seem to be making a complete 180. Were you not just in support of discarding race completely?

Weah96:
No. The two definitions are the same. Skin color is determined by genes, just like big noses or straight hair are. But you seem to be making a complete 180. Were you not just in support of discarding race completely?

What I am in favour of is a proper picture of us as humans. Is race something that truly defines us or is it merely a social construct? Science seems to lean towards discarding all previous definitions of race including skin colour. I favour discarding the false definitions that make us hate one another. If science proves to us that we are all from the same source I think we should reevaluate what exactly defines us as people.

LordReed:
I favour discarding the false definitions that make us hate one another.

I agree. But we must be careful not to allow semantics or political correctness to derail that effort. Groupings according to skin pigmentation are important demographic elements as far as the average Caucasian is concerned.

phoneport:

Must you insult the Holy Bible to prove your point. Lets be careful.

shut up! What's holy about the bible? People like you are responsible for our backwardness. Grow up and make use of your head.

Weah96:

I agree. But we must be careful not to allow semantics or political correctness to derail that effort. Groupings according to skin pigmentation are important demographic elements as far as the average Caucasian is concerned.

Exactly

LordReed:

Amazing how science now arrives at the theory that all modern humans descended from one male called Y Chromosomal Adam. Maybe the Bible is not such a book of fables after all.

we are talking about the first humans not modern humans. Or better still, you can explain to us what u termed modern humans. If the caucasians or even the Jews started evolving six thousand years ago as their so called holy texts puts it, that's their own business. Besides, anything could have taken the title Adam, just as God could be anything.

As a matter of interest, The christian Bible is a deliberate (and in some cases, erroneous) distortion, misinterpretation, mis-quotation and misrepresentation of ancient texts, ideas, myths, rituals and even symbols.
You can't explain anything with that book. Some people are just busy creating more myths and stories and linking them with the bible names and stories, then telling the world they have made some discoveries.
It's just like the Jews announcing to the world in the 90s that they have discovered the bones and remains of Adam and Eve that never existed.

Fabrepass: The truth is that there was no Adam and Eve. The two figures were invented. Human origin is black. Almost all scientists, historians, Archaeologists, both black and white agree to this.

You'll continue to get lost whenever you attempt to explain the origin of man with a useless religious book (riddled with thousands of lies, fairy tales, contradictions) written less than two thousand years ago, when there are huge evidences that Black Africans were masters of Geometry, astronomy, physics, chemistry, Alchemy, etc, more than 8000 years ago. Black Africans are the ancestors of mankind. What you need to do now is to find out how other races evolved. For example, Arabs are products of black and white cross breed.

Well spoken.

Of course it goes without saying that the first inhabitants of Africa and the world were black people. This must have been the case for thousands of years before any genetic mutations to white, yellow etc occurred. It is conceivable that the world was at peace and progressing just fine until those colour/race mutations occurred. Such developments may have created serious psychological insecurities among those affected, giving rise to vices like fear, guilt, hatred, greed....war, racism etc etc....

Fabrepass: The truth is that there was no Adam and Eve. The two figures were invented. Human origin is black. Almost all scientists, historians, Archaeologists, both black and white agree to this.

I'm laughing. Somehow you have spurred some to some sort of brain activity.

In your mind, your statement above is wise.

It stupidly assumes that being black, and being adam and eve, are mutually exclusive.

Adam and Eve, and the others first created (yes, I have learned to accept there were others) were black.

Abraham - Black
Job - Black
David - Black
Bathsheba (Hittite, therefore African therefore black - Black
Solomon - No surprise Songs of Solomon 1:5 says he is black
Yahshua - Black

Esau - White
Genesis 25:23 "And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."

Genesis 25:25 "And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau."

Shalom

Fabrepass:
we are talking about the first humans not modern humans. Or better still, you can explain to us what u termed modern humans. If the caucasians or even the Jews started evolving six thousand years ago as their so called holy texts puts it, that's their own business. Besides, anything could have taken the title Adam, just as God could be anything.

As a matter of interest, The christian Bible is a deliberate (and in some cases, erroneous) distortion, misinterpretation, mis-quotation and misrepresentation of ancient texts, ideas, myths, rituals and even symbols.
You can't explain anything with that book. Some people are just busy creating more myths and stories and linking them with the bible names and stories, then telling the world they have made some discoveries.
It's just like the Jews announcing to the world in the 90s that they have discovered the bones and remains of Adam and Eve that never existed.

The term modern humans was not coined by me but by scientists explaining human evolutionary theory so if you want to know more about it Google it up.

What anyone should find interesting is scientists theorizing that we all came from one man.

JesusisLord85:

I'm laughing. Somehow you have spurred some to some sort of brain activity.

In your mind, your statement above is wise.

It stupidly assumes that being black, and being adam and eve, are mutually exclusive.

Adam and Eve, and the others first created (yes, I have learned to accept there were others) were black.

Abraham - Black
Job - Black
David - Black
Bathsheba (Hittite, therefore African therefore black - Black
Solomon - No surprise Songs of Solomon 1:5 says he is black
Yahshua - Black

Esau - White
Genesis 25:23 "And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."

Genesis 25:25 "And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau."

Shalom

Which religion, or God, is your own? And why was the old testament recorded in ancient Hebrew?

Weah96:

Which religion, or God, is your own? And why was the old testament recorded in ancient Hebrew?

The God of our ancestors, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Here we go, you want to 'prove' that they must be assumed white because it was written in ancient hebrew, and Hebrews (according to the lie) are white?

Well, good news. I have some books for you. Written by, you guessed it, today's impostors.

1. The Thirteenth Tribe
2. The Invention of the Jewish people.

But, reading the bible (if you have), will reveal this obvious fact. They were black. Edom is sitting in our place, masquerading as Jews.

Shalom

JesusisLord85:

I'm laughing. Somehow you have spurred some to some sort of brain activity.

In your mind, your statement above is wise.

It stupidly assumes that being black, and being adam and eve, are mutually exclusive.

Adam and Eve, and the others first created (yes, I have learned to accept there were others) were black.

Abraham - Black
Job - Black
David - Black
Bathsheba (Hittite, therefore African therefore black - Black
Solomon - No surprise Songs of Solomon 1:5 says he is black
Yahshua - Black

Esau - White
Genesis 25:23 "And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."

Genesis 25:25 "And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau."

Shalom

One of the Ignorant Africans who think they know!
Abraham, Esau, Adam, eve and all other names you mentioned (if all existed) only appeared less than six thousand years ago. Although most of those names are derivatives of already existing names in Africa.
you think it's nice to use your useless bible and talmud to explain the origin of man? Remember, there were religions that predates christianity and Judaism by hundreds and thousands of years. Please do your research and stop quoting some errant passages from some useless texts.

The Adam and Eve story was invented.

Fabrepass:
One of the Ignorant Africans who think they know!
Abraham, Esau, Adam, eve and all other names you mentioned (if all existed) only appeared less than six thousand years ago. Although most of those names are derivatives of already existing names in Africa.
you think it's nice to use your useless bible and talmud to explain the origin of man? Remember, there were religions that predates christianity and Judaism by hundreds and thousands of years. Please do your research and stop quoting some errant passages from some useless texts.

The Adam and Eve story was invented.

But answer me, why does your statement assume Adam and Eve cannot be black?
Adam spoke to the Most High.
Enoch was righteous and pleased the Most High
Noah was righteous
Abraham was righteous.

Other humans were created too. Not just Adam and Eve
Angels came down and mixed with the daughters of men. They taught men wicked thing (read the book of Enoch for more detail).

These angels must have done a good job, because even today, you remain reprobate.

Shalom

JesusisLord85:

The God of our ancestors, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Here we go, you want to 'prove' that they must be assumed white because it was written in ancient hebrew, and Hebrews (according to the lie) are white?

Well, good news. I have some books for you. Written by, you guessed it, today's impostors.

1. The Thirteenth Tribe
2. The Invention of the Jewish people.

But, reading the bible (if you have), will reveal this obvious fact. They were black. Edom is sitting in our place, masquerading as Jews.

Shalom

Ignorance is more deadly than Ebola Virus. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whose name is Yahweh is not the God of your ancestors. You're completely lost.
Yahweh is one of the junior deities that moses adopted while he was crafting Judaism and Kabbalah for his followers. Yahweh according to the old testament is jealous, wicked, ruthless, a mass murderer, a lover of human sacrifice, a rapist... Your ancestors never had such a god. And if you are an African and you think Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are your ancestors, you need to have your head examined.

The Jews were never a tribe untill Hitler's holocaust. To become an Israelite means to be a Jew (i.e you must have been practising the religion). The religion was open to all races and tribes when it was invented.

JesusisLord85:

But answer me, why does your statement assume Adam and Eve cannot be black?
Adam spoke to the Most High.
Enoch was righteous and pleased the Most High
Noah was righteous
Abraham was righteous.

Other humans were created too. Not just Adam and Eve
Angels came down and mixed with the daughters of men. They taught men wicked thing (read the book of Enoch for more detail).

These angels must have done a good job, because even today, you remain reprobate.

Shalom

Until you provide evidence that Adam and Eve existed, I'll not in anyway respond to you again because you still can't differentiate between illusion and reality. Those who take bible creation serious are in a very pathetic situation.
I rest my case.

Fabrepass:
Ignorance is more deadly than Ebola Virus. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whose name is Yahweh is not the God of your ancestors. You're completely lost.
Yahweh is one of the junior deities that moses adopted while he was crafting Judaism and Kabbalah for his followers. Yahweh according to the old testament is jealous, wicked, ruthless, a mass murderer, a lover of human sacrifice, a rapist... Your ancestors never had such a god. And if you are an African and you think Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are your ancestors, you need to have your head examined.

The Jews were never a tribe untill Hitler's holocaust. To become an Israelite means to be a Jew (i.e you must have been practising the religion). The religion was open to all races and tribes when it was invented.

Ignorant man.
I know very well.
Go read those books (or even read about them). You shall see you have believed a lie.

I am not talking of the invented judaism where all nations are welcome, you clown

I am talking about the laws, statutes, ordinances of ancient times.

Be there referring to a german mad man from a few short decades ago.

JesusisLord85:

The God of our ancestors, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Here we go, you want to 'prove' that they must be assumed white because it was written in ancient hebrew, and Hebrews (according to the lie) are white?
Shalom

Oh, so ancient Hebrew was spoken by black people in antiquity? In Africa? LOL. I don't know what to make of your persuasion. You must be a black Muslim, as in a member of the NOI. They're the only ones, outside of scientology, with a recent religion.

Weah96:
Oh, so ancient Hebrew was spoken by black people in antiquity? In Africa? LOL. I don't know what to make of your persuasion. You must be a black Muslim, as in a member of the NOI. They're the only ones, outside of scientology, with a recent religion.

Let the word of God speak, and the foolish remain in their folly.

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda…

Nearly all the kings and prophets of the Old Testament were Jews, from the Tribe of Judah. Here are a few examples of how the Jews are described in the word of God:

Job 30:30 My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.

Son 1:5 [King Solomon:] I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Son 1:6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me:

Jer 14:2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.

Lam 4:8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets:

Lam 5:10 Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.

Exo 4:6 And the LORD said furthermore unto [Moses], Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.

Exo 4:7 And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.

Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger[aka Nigger]…

Act 21:38 Art not thou that Egyptian…
Act 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus (what is he doing thinking a white guy is an egytian. Ancient Egyptians are black)

Rev 1:14 [Christ’s] head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow…
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace…

Shalom

Why is your name JesusisLord if Jesus plays only a small role in your belief system? You're from the NOI, am I right? Or is there another offshoot of black liberation theology ofwhich I'm unaware?

Weah96: Why is your name JesusisLord if Jesus plays only a small role in your belief system? You're from the NOI, am I right? Or is there another offshoot of black liberation theology ofwhich I'm unaware?

What is NOI?
Anyway, the name is one I have used before I knew the truth. But, the Messiah is a huge part of the Word. In the beginning was the word... I'm sure you know that verse.

I only deal in the truth, and I explain with scripture. No "I think".

And if you want proof for a God, it is around you.

If you don't know His name, that is ok. For the sins of our ancestors, he caused us to forget. Even Rome can't pronounce it, lest His name be blasphemed by the gentiles..

Call on the creator of Heaven and earth, the Most High God.

Or are you one of those devils that believes the earth and all in it were created by time and chance?

Nation of Islam= NOI. Minister Farrakhan is their current leader.

LordReed: Some more:

http://www.biologyreference.com/Ar-Bi/Biology-of-Race.html

EXCERPT:

Some differences between populations may
correlate with historical exposure to different
infectious diseases. For example, certain genetic
variants of hemoglobin (for example, those
causing sickle-cell anemia in people of African
descent and thalassemia in people of
Mediterranean descent) were strongly selected
because they provide defensive mechanisms
against infection by the organism that causes
malaria ( Plasmodium ). Such environmental
selection pressures have caused more than three
hundred variants of the hemoglobin molecule.
Cystic fibrosis (CF), a disorder of a gene that
produces a protein that forms a chloride pump
in cell membranes, allows for the buildup of
mucus in the respiratory tract, thereby leading
to death from pathogenic invasion. Yet the
heterozygous condition for CF protects against
extreme dehydration due to cholera. Tay-Sachs
disease, a disorder of an enzyme that breaks
down a molecule in the myelin sheath of nerve
fibers, is found more commonly in people of
eastern European Jewish descent than in other
populations. Whether the Tay-Sachs gene
protects against an infectious disease is
unknown, though some have made a connection
to tuberculosis exposure.
The molecular techniques outlined above now
allow anthropologists to study the migration
patterns of ancient peoples. Genetic diversity has
resulted from the extensive hybridization that
has occurred in the last two hundred thousand
years, hiding any clear evidence for typological
classification of race. Moreover, when selection
pressures (temperature, altitude) are coupled
with phenotypic variation, phenotypic
expression defies taxonomic assignment of race.
The genetic diversity within any historically
defined race swamps the small amount of
difference between such groups, making the
boundaries of these categories entirely arbitrary.
Therefore, race in humans does not have a
biological meaning.

This is evidently ground-breaking information for you, it would seem.
There is nothing new here that I don't already known, sir.



So, what is the point of this?

plaetton:

This is evidently ground-breaking information for you, it would seem.
There is nothing new here that I don't already known, sir.



So, what is the point of this?

Are you really this slow? Read this again and comprehend:

The molecular techniques outlined above now
allow anthropologists to study the migration
patterns of ancient peoples. Genetic diversity has
resulted from the extensive hybridization that
has occurred in the last two hundred thousand
years, hiding any clear evidence for typological
classification of race. Moreover, when selection
pressures (temperature, altitude) are coupled
with phenotypic variation, phenotypic
expression defies taxonomic assignment of race.
The genetic diversity within any historically
defined race swamps the small amount of
difference between such groups, making the
boundaries of these categories entirely arbitrary.
Therefore, race in humans does not have a
biological meaning.

After digesting that please proceed to show with scientific articles how our progenitors were negroid.