truthman2012:

Are those islamic militants (terrorists) muslims or pagans?

What is their source of inspiration?

Of what faith are those who recite the quran when slaughtering their victims?

Which other religion do you see the faithfuls forming militant groups to advance their religion?

Do you know why boko haram cannot be negotiated with?

Islam is about hypocrisy, it is not what is written in the quran they do, even by Muhammad. I have proved this to you several times.

Are those Christian terrorist fighting crusade or not?

tintingz: Are those Christian terrorist fighting crusade or not?

Where did you see Christian terrorists?

Christians can only have internal crisis, which is even an abberation because Jesus hates and warns against such.

It is not on record that any Christian body formed terrorist group and going about bombing people of other faith for failing to accept Jesus as in islam (Quran 8:12).

truthman2012:

What is islamic definition of peace? To incline to peace in islam is to be converted to islam wether you like it or not.

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture AS BELIEVE NOT IN ALLAH nor the Last Day and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, AND FOLLOW NOT THE RELIGION OF TRUTH.....(Quran 9:29).

The altimate aim of muslims fighting everywhere as stated in that verse is forcing people to become muslims. To be at peace with them you have to be converted. Yet they say islam is a religion of peace. Hypocrisy.

Is this not terrorism.

You didn't complete that Quran verse.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. (Quran 9:29)

@bold talk about settlement, treaty in an Islamic state in a defensive war.

A beg wetin bible god talk o. 1Samuel 15

Samuel also said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Now therefore, heed the voice of the words of the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

Na wa oo, bible God was so vexed that he want infants and even animals to be killed.

truthman2012:

Where did you see Christian terrorists?

Christians can only have internal crisis, which is even an abberation because Jesus hates and warns against such.

It is not on record that any Christian body formed terrorist group and going about bombing people of other faith for failing to accept Jesus as in islam (Quran 8:12).

Then who are the christian terrorist I mentioned?

you can Google them Mister.

Emusan:

Let's look at the construction method of the sentence in the above sura by paying close attention to the COLOR part.

How many angels reveal Qur'an?
because many angels were mentioned in this surah.

Who is talking here?
Could it be Muhammad? I guess not because had it been it's Muhammad the he won't use the phrase ("Thy sustainer" )

Could it be Angel Gabriel (though many angels were mentioned)?
Absolutely not, because No angel can command another angel.

So who is talking?
Allah is the one talking.
But why would Allah be shifting from first person pronouns (I, me) to third person pronouns (His, He)
Why would Allah that suppose to be the one talking still referring to another person (Lo! Thy sustainer...)?

This type of inappropriate sentence construction full the Holy book of Allah.

the same thing problem occurs in the below surah.



Here we see the speaker addressing GOD and latter shifted to third person pronouns HE.




Who is reading above surah always and couldn't sit down to ask himself simple question about simple English of the Holy Qur'an this question is for you.


What grade will you give Allah for Its English composition if you're an English teacher?

Olodo

The 'He' 'His" is still referring to Allah.

This is how Angel Gabriel deliver Allah's message to Muhammed(sa) and more also the original text of the Quran is Arabic.

tintingz: Then who are the christian terrorist I mentioned?

you can Google them Mister.

It is your duty to prove your points and not for me to search for them.

tintingz: Are those Christian terrorist fighting crusade or not?

This is what we call a religion of peace:

Shia militia opens fire on Sunni
mosque in eastern Iraq, killing at least
73 people as Islamic State violence
continues August 22, 2014 8:40AM ET At least 73 people were killed when a
suicide bomber broke into an Iraqi
Sunni mosque and a Shia Muslim
militia opened fire inside in the
country's eastern Diyala province on
Friday, Iraqi security sources said. An army officer and a police officer
said a suicide bomber first broke into
the Musab bin Omair Mosque in Imam
Wais village in Diyala province, some
75 miles northeast of Baghdad,
detonating his explosives before gunmen rushed in and opened fire on
worshippers. The officials said that fighters with
the Islamic State group have been
trying to convince members of two
prominent local Sunni tribes — the
Oal-Waisi and al-Jabour — to join
them, but they have thus far refused. Two medical officials confirmed the
casualty figures. All of them spoke on
the condition of anonymity because
they are not authorized to brief the
media. The towns of Jalula and al-Saadiyah
have recently fallen to the Islamic
State group but Imam Wais is thus far
in government control. Such sectarian
violence could hurt efforts by Iraq's new Shia prime minister, moderate
Haider al-Abadi, to form a government that can unite Iraqis
against Islamic State, the Sunni fighters who have seized large parts of the country. The crisis has
worsened since June as the group
swept through new towns in the
north, killing dozens of people and
displacing hundreds of thousands,
mainly members of the minority Christian and Yazidi religious
communities. Ambulances transported the bodies to
the town of Baquba, the main town in
Diyala province, where Iranian-
trained Shia militias are powerful and
act with impunity. Attacks on mosques are acutely
sensitive and have in the past
unleashed a deadly series of revenge
killings and counter attacks in
Iraq, where violence has returned to the levels of 2006 and 2007, the peak of a sectarian civil war. Iraqi Shia militia forces executed 15
Sunni Muslims and then hung them
from electricity poles in a public
square in Baquba in July, police said. Diyala police officials told Reuters
they had provided Shia militias with
names for hit lists so that suspected
members of Islamic State could be
tracked and executed.
america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/22/iraq-mosque-shooting.html

Islamic apologist will say: 'they are not true muslims', 'Islam is a religion of peace', 'quran says there are no compulsion in religion', 'it is the CIA that is responsible for the Islamic suicide bombing', 'the suicide bombers are mossad agents', 'shia and sunnis are living peacefully', 'only few muslims are trying to paint Islam bad', 'the western media is bias against Islam', 'Islam is the fastest growing religion in the whole world despite the Islamic crisis', 'they are Islamaphobe' and finally 'allah knows best'.

While the real muslims will say: 'kill all the infidels until evryone worship non but allah and accept mohammed as prophet', 'curse are the christians and the Jews for attributing patners to allah', 'behead anyone that insult the prophet', 'Islam will rule the world', 'sharia will be established in evry country on the planet', 'fight for the cause of allah', 'democracy and freedom is evil'.

NL muslims are mostly naturally gentle yoruba muslims whose Islamic faith are considered fake judging by International Islamic standard.

true2god: Islamic apologist will say: 'they are not true muslims', 'Islam is a religion of peace', 'quran says there are no compulsion in religion', 'it is the CIA that is responsible for the Islamic suicide bombing', 'the suicide bombers are mossad agents', 'shia and sunnis are living peacefully', 'only few muslims are trying to paint Islam bad', 'the western media is bias against Islam', 'Islam is the fastest growing religion in the whole world despite the Islamic crisis', 'they are Islamaphobe' and finally 'allah knows best'.

While the real muslims will say: 'kill all the infidels until evryone worship non but allah and accept mohammed as prophet', 'curse are the christians and the Jews for attributing patners to allah', 'behead anyone that insult the prophet', 'Islam will rule the world', 'sharia will be established in evry country on the planet', 'fight for the cause of allah', 'democracy and freedom is evil'.

NL muslims are mostly naturally gentle yoruba muslims whose Islamic faith are considered fake judging by International Islamic standard.

Good points.

The Yorubas are reasonable, peace-loving, and gentle race, who should not have accepted islam as it is against their nature. An average Yoruba person hates bloodshed. No wonder they are considered fake muslims. That is why they are hurt when you accuse islam of violence. The Arabs and their likes pride themselves in the fact that islam is violent, a machination of the devil to destroy the good people on earth.

Allah's plan to conquer the
world by force will not come to fruition in Jesus name.

tintingz: Olodo

Let's see who is Olodo

The 'He' 'His" is still referring to Allah.

So if the 'He' 'His' are referring to Allah, it means it's Angel Jibril that is speaking and using third person pronouns in reference to Allah.

So who is the person that the personal pronouns 'I' 'Me' referring to?
Could it be Angel Gabriel again?

This is how Angel Gabriel deliver Allah's message to Muhammed(sa) and more also the original text of the Quran is Arabic.

Then Angel Gabriel is another Allah for using a personal pronouns.

Are you telling me that in Arabic one can't distinguish between first, second or third person pronouns?

Majority of Muslim scholars have notice this that's why they'll tell you that the best language to recite Qur'an is Arabic because all these inappropriate sentence construction can't be noticed in Arabic.

truthman2012:

Good points.

The Yorubas are reasonable, peace-loving, and gentle race, who should not have accepted islam as it is against their nature. An average Yoruba person hates bloodshed. No wonder they are considered fake muslims. That is why they are hurt when you accuse islam of violence. The Arabs and their likes proud themselves in the fact that islam is violent, a machination of the devil to destroy the good people on earth.

Allah's plan to conquer the
world by force will not come to fruition in Jesus name.

The arabs are not complaining that their religion is filled with bloodletting, in fact they are proud of it as long as it is for the promotion of Islam. That is why you keep seeing sunnis killing shia (on a daily basis), in pakistan, baharain, yemen (even where shia are majority).

Ironically, the muslims kills fellow muslims more than the real 'infidels' (the xtains and the Jews) because of doctrinal variants. The ahmadiyyas (regarded as apostate muslims for accepting another prophet after mohammed) are killed daily in pakistan by the majority sunnis, the saudis are killings the minority shia in the eatern province, the saudis are financing the sunnis (Islamic state of levante) in iraq against the shia led govt of maliki in order to depose the govt and instal a sunni led govt. Iran, on the order hand are financing the shia-led govt against the Islamic state rebel.

Egypt on the other are battling against the muslim brotherhood, supporting Isreal against the shia-sponsored hamas by blocking the gaza stripe with order from the Israeli govt.

In lebanon, the islamic hizbolla is supporting the syrian govt to fight the syria rebel. In baharian, the saudis are financing the minority sunni community against the majority shia population.

Confusion everywhere in the heart of Islamic world in this 21st century. To deceive the gullible and uninformed, Islamic propagandist will pay international media to assist them sing the mantra: ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACEEEEEE!

Yeye dey smell.

true2god: The arabs are not complaining that their religion is filled with bloodletting, in fact they are proud of it as long as it is for the promotion of Islam. That is why you keep seeing sunnis killing shia (on a daily basis), in pakistan, baharain, yemen (even where shia are majority).

Ironically, the muslims kills fellow muslims more than the real 'infidels' (the xtains and the Jews) because of doctrinal variants. The ahmadiyyas (regarded as apostate muslims for accepting another prophet after mohammed) are killed daily in pakistan by the majority sunnis, the saudis are killings the minority shia in the eatern province, the saudis are financing the sunnis (Islamic state of levante) in iraq against the shia led govt of maliki in order to depose the govt and instal a sunni led govt. Iran, on the order hand are financing the shia-led govt against the Islamic state rebel.

Egypt on the other are battling against the muslim brotherhood, supporting Isreal against the shia-sponsored hamas by blocking the gaza stripe with order from the Israeli govt.

In lebanon, the islamic hizbolla is supporting the syrian govt to fight the syria rebel. In baharian, the saudis are financing the minority sunni community against the majority shia population.

Confusion everywhere in the heart of Islamic world in this 21st century. To deceive the gullible and uninformed, Islamic propagandist will pay international media to assist them sing the mantra: ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACEEEEEE!

Yeye the smell.

Serious expositions, very revealing.

The Bible says there is no PEACE with the WICKED. The word of God cannot be broken. Islam is a religion of PIECES, trying to tear the world into PIECES

truthman2012:

Serious expositions, very revealing.

The Bible says there is no PEACE with the WICKED. The word of God cannot be broken. Islam is a religion of PIECES, trying to tear the world into PIECES

Thank God they dont have the military might to threaten the world. The era of Jihadist invasion, the golden era of of Islamic conquest, imperalism and expansion, is long gone. They can only confirm their jihadism in their countries. Any attempt by any of the jihadist to declare a holy war against any non-muslims country, like Israel or europe, they will be seriosly flogged and beaten.

So they have to sing, 'ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE' so that no one will suspect their inate aggressive tendencies.

true2god: Thank God they dont have the military might to threaten the world. The era of Jihadist invasion, the golden era of of Islamic conquest, imperalism and expansion, is long gone. They can only confirm their jihadism in their countries. Any attempt by any of the jihadist to declare a holy war against any non-muslims country, like Israel or europe, they will be seriosly flogged and beaten.

So they have to sing, 'ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE' so that no one will suspect their inate aggressive tendencies.

Thank you my brother. God bless you.

It is true they don't have the military might to threaten the world, but am afraid of something: you know satan is a strategist. If he uses one strategy and fails, he will apply another. When he came to Eve he did not appear as an enemy. The Bible says he was subtle. The devil has attacked almost all the countries' economy and spared, to an extent, the Arabs. They are now trying to enter into many countries with their islamic banking to attract them to islam. Before you know it, they will institute islam. Were it not for a Christian as Nigeria's president, Nigeria would have been into it. But for how long will Christian rule Nigeria? God help us o!

truthman2012:

Thank you my brother. God bless you.

It is true they don't have the military might to threaten the world, but am afraid of something: you know satan is a strategist. If he uses one strategy and fails, he will apply another. When he came to Eve he did not appear as an enemy. The Bible says he was subtle. The devil has attacked almost all the countries' economy and spared, to an extent, the Arabs. They are now trying to enter into many countries with their islamic banking to attract them to islam. Before you know it, they will institute islam. Were it not for a Christian as Nigeria's president, Nigeria would have been into it. But for how long will Christian rule Nigeria? God help us o!

The arabs have no viable economy, their economy is run only by oil revenue paid for, mostly by the west. The arabs, except their powerful elites, remain one of the least educated and poorest pple on earth, only a bit above the sub-sahara africa.

The arab\muslims export to the world is only mosques and terrorism, nothing more. The west, initially, didnt see the threat of arab\muslims migrations to their countries and the effect it will have on their culture, but now, most of their govt are more informed of the dangers of Islam to modern civilization, hence the setting-up of 'trojan horse' in the UK and europe and china to check-mate the negetive influnce of Islam on their pple. The Japanese gives no room for Islam at all.

Their excesses are being check-mated, as long as darkness cannot rule over light, Islam cannot rule the world. The western powers have already kept them busy in their home countries by encouraging them to keep fighting themselves so that they wont have time fighting the progressive and civilized world.

true2god: The arabs have no viable economy, their economy is run only by oil revenue paid for, mostly by the west. The arabs, except their powerful elites, remain one of the least educated and poorest pple on earth, only a bit above the sub-sahara africa.

The arab\muslims export to the world is only mosques and terrorism, nothing more. The west, initially, didnt see the threat of arab\muslims migrations to their countries and the effect it will have on their culture, but now, most of their govt are more informed of the dangers of Islam to modern civilization, hence the setting-up of 'trojan horse' in the UK and europe and china to check-mate the negetive influnce of Islam on their pple. The Japanese gives no room for Islam at all.

Their excesses are being check-mated, as long as darkness cannot rule over light, Islam cannot rule the world. The western powers have already kept them busy in their home countries by encouraging them to keep fighting themselves so that they wont have time fighting the progressive and civilized world.

Thank you brother, it is a great relief.

Emusan:
My apology.
Then join this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1859103/quran-linguistic-miracle-problem
You've said it all in the OP Allah only revealed the revelation that favour Muhammad.
Yet I still couldn't understand why the book that eternally exits with Allah before creation contains those historical verses.
According to Muslims Allah revealed the Qur'an
Angel Jibril
The problem with this is shifting in one pronouns to another and reference to external person/being within the same verse.

If you check the thread I provided above you will see more than this.
In pure Arabic YET MANY NON-Arabic words still appeared even in the original manuscripts.

Emusan:
Through angel jibril
But also have it in mind that QURAN WAS PURELY ALLAH'S WORD which means it doesn't contain any human or angel word.
Like the surah you quoted above you can see where a PERSONAL pronouns like I,me was used which make it difficult to attribute it to Muhammad or angel Jibril AND where a THIRD person pronouns was used.
Join that thread so that I won't derail this one.

Emusan:
My apology.
Then join this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1859103/quran-linguistic-miracle-problem
You've said it all in the OP Allah only revealed the revelation that favour Muhammad.
Yet I still couldn't understand why the book that eternally exits with Allah before creation contains those historical verses.
According to Muslims Allah revealed the Qur'an
Angel Jibril
The problem with this is shifting in one pronouns to another and reference to external person/being within the same verse.
If you check the thread I provided above you will see more than this.
In pure Arabic YET MANY NON-Arabic words still appeared even in the original manuscripts.

Lets us meet on that thread..

truthman2012:

Ignorant because I said it was Muhammad? Did any muslim see Gabriel? You only believe Muhammad said it was Gabriel. As far as early muslims were concerned, they only saw and heard Muhammad, not Gabriel.

And one of your minion on this thread was praising you as an intelligent person..SMH,

Excuse me sir, you are ignorant.

truthman2012: Even if it was Gabriel, why did he not use HE instead of WE as in: We HE makes no distinction between any of HIS messengers.

Please apply the 'HE' yourself to that verse you quote, and lets see how it makes sense..

Please do that now to prove to us you are not ignorant..

Rilwayne001:

And one of your minion on this thread was praising you as an intelligent person..SMH,

Excuse me sir, you are ignorant.



Please apply the 'HE' yourself to that verse you quote, and lets see how it makes sense..

Please do that now to prove to us you are not ignorant..

How else do I do it again? Didn't you see the HE and HIS bolded?

NOTE: Am not on NL to be rated good or bad, everybody is entitled to his/her opinion.

Of all the posts I addressed to you here, I am surprised you could reply only this. Am sure you have got your laptop.

This was your claim

truthman2012:
Look at this again:
The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. We make no distinction between any of His messengers.[/b] [size=15pt]And they say[/size]: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
Qur'an 2:285
"WE" here should refer to Allah, as it were. But why the word "HIS" instead of "OUR". The correct statement should have been: WE make no distinction between any of OUR messengers.
I believe the so many errors in the Quran, grammatical, historical and scientific are deliberate manipulations.

truthman2012:
Ignorant because I said it was Muhammad? Did any muslim see Gabriel? You only believe Muhammad said it was Gabriel. As far as early muslims were concerned, they only saw and heard Muhammad, not Gabriel.
Even if it was Gabriel, why did he not use HE instead of WE as in: We HE makes no distinction between any of HIS messengers.

HERE IS THE SURAH AGAIN

The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [size=15pt][saying][/size], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." [size=15pt]And they say[/size], "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."



Notice here that Jibril was the one conveying the message here

Now put your 'HE' in that verse and lets see how it would make any sense

Rilwayne001: Now put your 'HE' in that verse and lets see how it would make any sense

Gabriel was delivering Allah's message to Muhammad in the 'third person singular' and as a reported speech by the words 'HIS MESSENGERS'. Then it should have been: HE makes no distinction between any of HIS messengers.

If a direct speech from Allah, it should have read ''WE make no distinction between any of OUR messengers.

By sticking to only this, you have accepted the other errors Emusan has highlighted.

truthman2012:
Gabriel was delivering Allah's message to Muhammad in the 'third person singular' and as a reported speech by the words 'HIS MESSENGERS'. Then it should have been: HE makes no distinction between any of HIS messengers.

Notice here that Jibril was the one reporting to his LORD here

The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [size=15pt][saying][/size], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." [size=15pt]And they say[/size], "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."

notice that verse was talking about "The messenger (Prophet Muhammad) and the believers "

Notice the SAYING and AND THEY SAY

truthman2012: If a direct speech from Allah, it should have read ''WE make no distinction between any of OUR messengers.

truthman2012:
Even if it was Gabriel, why did he not use HE instead of WE as in: We HE makes no distinction between any of HIS messengers.

Seems you dont even know what you are saying again

truthman2012: [s]By sticking to only this, you have accepted the other errors Emusan has highlighted.[/s]

Cant you read at all....SMH

Rilwayne001:

Notice here that Jibril was the one reporting to his LORD here

notice that verse was talking about "The messenger (Prophet Muhammad) and the believers "

Notice the SAYING and AND THEY SAY







Seems you dont even know what you are saying again



Cant you read at all....SMH

Characteristic of you, nobody ever answers your questions and yet you keep mute over questions raised by others because you have no answers.

truthman2012:
Characteristic of you, nobody ever answers your questions and yet you keep mute over questions raised by others because you have no answers.

SMH

truthman2012:

It is your duty to prove your points and not for me to search for them.

christian terrorists.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Emusan:

Let's see who is Olodo

stop behaving like one

So if the 'He' 'His' are referring to Allah, it means it's Angel Jibril that is speaking and using third person pronouns in reference to Allah.

Yes

So who is the person that the personal pronouns 'I' 'Me' referring to?
Could it be Angel Gabriel again?

The first word Angel Gabriel said to Muhammed(sa) was "Read", Gabriel was presenting the exact word Allah said.

If you have watch roman movies you will see how the emperor messenger will present his message to the crowd,

"Ceazer said you should all pay your taxes, He will punish anyone who fails to pay his/her tax. I'm your lord here and I've spoken, the leader the great."

The messenger here is presenting the emperor message, and the 'he' 'I'm' 'the great' is referring to one person the ceazer.

Then Angel Gabriel is another Allah for using a personal pronouns.

Gabriel is not another Allah, he's an angel of Allah.

Are you telling me that in Arabic one can't distinguish between first, second or third person pronouns?

The Quran is in an ancient Arabic text and if you can't understand that you know nothing.

Go read ancient literatures Mister.

You can read your bible like the king James version.

Majority of Muslim scholars have notice this that's why they'll tell you that the best language to recite Qur'an is Arabic because all these inappropriate sentence construction can't be noticed in Arabic.

To understand some words or letters in the Quran read the Arabic Quran.

tintingz: stop behaving like one

Then continue to live like one.

Yes

Then see your next statements.

The first word Angel Gabriel said to Muhammed(sa) was "Read", Gabriel was presenting the exact word Allah said.

READ OR RECITE?
If Jibril says 'read' according to you it different from saying 'SAY' which means it's its speech to another AND NO WHERE DOES THE WORD 'SAY' OR QUL in Arabic occurred original manuscript.

If you have watch roman movies you will see how the emperor messenger will present his message to the crowd,

This then prove that Qur'an contains human elements copy from another language style.

"Ceazer said you should all pay your taxes, He will punish anyone who fails to pay his/her tax. I'm your lord here and I've spoken, the leader the great."

How many ancient Arab historian use this type of style in their writing?
Why citing example from Roman and not Arabic counterpart to show us that, that is the normal system of communication familiar with at that time?

The messenger here is presenting the emperor message, and the 'he' 'I'm' 'the great' is referring to one person the ceazer.

This is where the problem lies in your example one can see clearly at the beginning of the speaker's statement that the speakers is speaking ON BEHALF of someone with opening word "CEAZER SAID...." BUT this type of expression rear in the Qur'an ESPECIALLY THE SURA that leads to this long post.

Gabriel is not another Allah, he's an angel of Allah.

But Qur'an says so due to the lack of simple WORD arrangement from illetrate speaker(s) and receiver.

The Quran was in an ancient Arabic text and if you can't understand that you know nothing.

Then how many ancient Arabic literature(s) were written like Qur'an?

Go read ancient literatures Mister.

Yes I've read some but the SPEAKER(S) always delivered their message in a clear understandable way NOT in a confuse way like Qur'an which one can't defrenciate between the speaker and on behalf of the one who was spoken about.

You can read your bible like the king James version.

Why Angel Gabriel didn't use this type of style in the Bible at least we've place where Gabriel spoke to people?

Please kindly give example like the sura in above EVEN from first edition of KJV.

To understand some words or letters in the Quran read the Arabic Quran.

This is the reason you can't spot these poor expressions because you're reading from language you can't fully comprehend.

Does it mean that someone can't express h/her self in Arabic clearly the way we do with English?

tintingz: christian terrorists.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

May I ask you: what was the reason the so-called christian militant were formed?

Nowhere in the NT, where Christianity began, did the bible command any Christian to fight or war. So if anybody became militant, he is on his own. No such inspiration from Jesus. Because such inspiration is not from Jesus, it is not common to see Christians fighting. As at today, tell me where Christian bodies are at war with other religious sects.

But here is Allah commanding muslims to be at war with people they call disbelievers. Almost in every country of the world, islamic terrorists abound. They draw their inspiration from the quran. They recite the quran on their victims before slaughtering them. How do you say they are not muslims? We have many references where Muhammad himself beheaded people or commanded his jihadists to behead. Was Muhammad not a muslim too? Many cases he was killing not for defensive reason as muslims would have us believe. Muslims say something but do a different thing. The true God does not have hypocrites or deceivers as His followers.

Emusan:

Then continue to live like one.

Who's behaving like one.

Then see your next statements.



READ OR RECITE?
If Jibril says 'read' according to you it different from saying 'SAY' which means it's its speech to another AND NO WHERE DOES THE WORD 'SAY' OR QUL in Arabic occurred original manuscript.

The word "iqra" means to read or recite this is the first word he(Jibril) said to the Prophet(sa).

{Read: In the name of the Lord Who creates, Creates man from a clot. Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who teaches by the pen, Teaches man that which he knew not. }(Al ahlaq : 96)

You should know that Muhammed(sa) was writing down exact what Gabriel revealed to him from Allah(swt), he was unlettered before the angel appeared to him.

You have even make it clearer by including "qul" which means "say".

Say: Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him, such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?" [Quran 13:16]

Say: He, Allah, is One. Allah is He on Whom all depend. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And none is like Him. [Quran 112:1-4]

Angel Gabriel was like a teacher to Muhammed(sa)

This then prove that Qur'an contains human elements copy from another language style.

Read the explanation above.

How many ancient Arab historian use this type of style in their writing?

This how all ancient text were written.

Why citing example from Roman and not Arabic counterpart to show us that, that is the normal system of communication familiar with at that time?

Yes, this is how a messenger present his message.

This is where the problem lies in your example one can see clearly at the beginning of the speaker's statement that the speakers is speaking ON BEHALF of someone with opening word "CEAZER SAID...." BUT this type of expression rear in the Qur'an ESPECIALLY THE SURA that leads to this long post.

Really? again I quote

Say: He, Allah, is One. Allah is He on Whom all depend. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And none is like Him. [Quran 112:1-4]


This is a recitation message from Allah given to Jibril to deliver it to Muhammad (sa) and mankind.

But Qur'an says so due to the lack of simple WORD arrangement from illetrate speaker(s) and receiver.



Then how many ancient Arabic literature(s) were written like Qur'an?

The Quran is unique in words and message.

Yes I've read some but the SPEAKER(S) always delivered their message in a clear understandable way NOT in a confuse way like Qur'an which one can't defrenciate between the speaker and on behalf of the one who was spoken about.

How is the Quran confusing? I have given you an example of a roman speaker.

Why Angel Gabriel didn't use this type of style in the Bible at least we've place where Gabriel spoke to people?

Please kindly give example like the sura in above EVEN from first edition of KJV.

The bible was written by historians.

...but let read from Samuel speech as an example.

1Samuel 15
Samuel also said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Now
therefore, heed the voice of the words of the
LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'I will
punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he
ambushed him on the way when he came up from
Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly
destroy all that they have, and do not spare
them. But kill both man and woman, infant and
nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'

We can see Samuel here presenting Jehovah's word/message to Saul.

This is the reason you can't spot these poor expressions because you're reading from language you can't fully comprehend.

Does it mean that someone can't express h/her self in Arabic clearly the way we do with English?

Note: ancient texts is different from modern text.

That's why we have different translations of the holy books.

truthman2012:

May I ask you: what was the reason the so-called christian militant were formed?

Nowhere in the NT, where Christianity began, did the bible command any Christian to fight or war. So if anybody became militant, he is on his own. No such inspiration from Jesus. Because such inspiration is not from Jesus, it is not common to see Christians fighting. As at today, tell me where Christian bodies are at war with other religious sects.

But here is Allah commanding muslims to be at war with people they call disbelievers. Almost in every country of the world, islamic terrorists abound. They draw their inspiration from the quran. They recite the quran on their victims before slaughtering them. How do you say they are not muslims? We have many references where Muhammad himself beheaded people or commanded his jihadists to behead. Was Muhammad not a muslim too? Many cases he was killing not for defensive reason as muslims would have us believe. Muslims say something but do a different thing. The true God does not have hypocrites or deceivers as His followers.

do you agree that there are christian terrorists or not.

There are many verses in the bible where Jehovah call for war.

tintingz: do you agree that there are christian terrorists or not.

There are many verses in the bible where Jehovah call for war.

There WERE supposed Christian terrorists who ARE no more because there is NO terrorism inpiration from their Lord. They must have acted in ignorance and they do it no more.

Judaism in the OT is not the same as Christianity in the NT.