MrAnony1:
Good.


The assumption you have made is simply false and shows that you don't understand Christianity.

1. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). All are therefore rightfully condemned. You are welcome to refute this by showing one person who has never sinned (i.e. someone is completely morally pure).

2. Christ came and paid the price for our sins hence taking the condemnation on our behalf

3. As many as reject the fact that Christ paid the price for them are simply demanding to bear their condemnation upon themselves.
...hence John 3:16-18

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. - John 3:16-18


For God does not show favoritism. All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. - Romans 2:11-16

P/s: It was very interesting to observe how you quoted John 3:18 out of context completely ignoring the preceding verses which explain how[b] Christ did not come to condemn the world but to save it[/b].

mazaje:
Why should it matter that a muslim or a hindu for example live morally upright here on earth since his unbelief in Jesus has already condemned him in the after life?.

MrAnony1:
I have sufficiently answered you. It is inaccurate to say that their unbelief in Christ is the reason why they are condemned. They are condemned because they have done immoral things. Christ offers them the means of salvation and where they reject it, they remain in their condemned state.

I hope that's clear enough for you now.

MrAnony1:
I have sufficiently answered you. It is inaccurate to say that their unbelief in Christ is the reason why they are condemned. They are condemned because they have done immoral things. Christ offers them the means of salvation and where they reject it, they remain in their condemned state.

I hope that's clear enough for you now.

MrAnony1:
I have sufficiently answered you. It is inaccurate to say that their unbelief in Christ is the reason why they are condemned. They are condemned because they have done immoral things. Christ offers them the means of salvation and where they reject it, they remain in their condemned state.

I hope that's clear enough for you now.

Ranchhoddas: sorry sir but i did not see your answer.Pls answer it again,if you don't mind.

mazaje:
You have not answered the question I have asked you at all. . .You keep trying to spin it but still end up saying the same thing. . .Is it christians that haven't done immoral things? Christians as well constantly do immoral things and they continue to do immoral things but the believe that because they accept and believe in Jesus and his salvation they will be saved in the afterlife, isn't that so?

MrAnony1:
No it isn't so. a person who believes in the sacrifice of Christ but who still continues in unrepentant sin afterwards will go to hell for his/her sin. Again this clearly demonstrates that it is sin that brings condemnation.

I think I have made the distinction very clear now. If you feel that it is not sin (immoral actions) that condemns a person, then please carry on with your belief just know that it isn't what Christianity teaches at all.


For God does not show favoritism. All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. - Romans 2:11-16

RayMcBlue: The afterlife is a fairy tale invented by human imagination. And each person's fairy tale is different.

We imagine that we have "souls," fabricate the concept of "eternal life" and then fantasize a place called "heaven," complete with streets of gold, calorie-free foods, frolicking virgins and whatever else we can come up with. Christians imagine it so vividly and repeat the fantasy so often that they actually believe it to be reality.

How bizarre can the fantasies get? Fly to Cairo and take a look at the Great Pyramid . There is the pyramid itself - still one of the largest man-made objects on earth. In addition there is the whole mummification process, the disassembled boats, the sacred artwork and so on. All of this was designed to help the pharaoh reach the afterlife.

How can u say existence of the soul is also a an invention? Can you explain how the human came about, do u think we just pop out of nothing?
We look at it now and we all know, with absolute certainty, that it was a complete and total waste of time. The Egyptian notion of the afterlife was a fantasy. The Christian notion of the afterlife is a fantasy in exactly the same way. Heaven is completely imaginary, just like hell... and just like God. Don't get it twisted.

MrAnony1:
No it isn't so. a person who believes in the sacrifice of Christ but who still continues in unrepentant sin afterwards will go to hell for his/her sin. Again this clearly demonstrates that it is sin that brings condemnation.

I think I have made the distinction very clear now. If you feel that it is not sin (immoral actions) that condemns a person, then please carry on with your belief just know that it isn't what Christianity teaches at all.


For God does not show favoritism. All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. - Romans 2:11-16

mazaje:
It doesn't matter at all. . .I don't want to get into christian theology because how salvation is obtained has not been yet been agreed by christians. . .

There are those that claim faith alone is enough others claim faith and works. . .I won't like to get into that because this is not what the topic is about. . .

At the end what really matters is believing in the Jesus story and living according to it. . .That is what matters not how morally upright you live your life.

Christians do not live morally upright lives than non christians . . . .there is NO evidence what so ever to show that christians live morally upright lives more than non christians, no evidence for that what so ever. . .

If at the end believing in Jesus is what matters and morality only makes sense because of the after life then why should non christians live morally upright lives?

. . .Using you specifically as an example, you might be a moral person living according to the tenets of christianity but there are countless numbers of non christians that reject the stories of Jesus because they follow other stories from other religions that live better moral upright lives than you, but you believe you will be saved in the afterlife while they will be condemned even though they are better human beings than you morally.

if morality only makes sense for humans because of the afterlife then why should they(non christians) live morally upright lives here on earth since they have already been condemn to eternal perdition in the afterlife?

. . .You just don't want to touch the question, you keep running away from it, because its very obvious that it destroys your points. . .

If acting morally on earth as human only makes sense because of the after life then majority of humans have no reason to act morally because they do NOT believe in the Jesus story and never will and for that they have been condemned already, so they have no reason to act morally in any way. . .

But if morality depends on something else other than the afterlife then they have reason to live morally upright lives. . .

logicboy01: ^^^

$1 million says that Anony wont answer the question straight

logicboy01: ^^^
You see?

Anony evades the question and calls it a "demand to choose from ill-formed alternatives"

Simple multiple choice question and my guy dey dodge



#artfulDodger
#Anonyism
#Strawman
#EscapeTactics

MrAnony1:
Lol...exactly how I expected you to respond.

You really aren't capable of making sound points are you? The only tool you've got is mockery. That's it.

logicboy01:


lol......others have pointed out your dodging.

Enjoy

MrAnony1:
Lol. As I said, you have nothing left in your arsenal. Once you you are done with applying mockery, you are finished. There's nothing else

logicboy01:


Unfortunately, your ad hominems wont change the fact that you dodged

Kay17: If man is incapable of being morally upright; I would rather elaborate, if man is incapable of choosing moral right from moral wrong, then he is not a moral being. Rather an amoral one. So what would be the point of punishing an amoral being?!

Christianity never makes sense.

GeneralShepherd: So is this what will happen when we die? We fade into oblivion? Into nothingness? Like we were never here.

MrAnony1:
Lololol....."my ad hominem". All because I refuse to choose from three mal-formed options none of which represent what I believe.

If any of you are interested in understanding what my position is, feel free to read my responses to mazaje. I don't have the time anymore these days to treat malicious demands such as is macof's as if they are legitimate. Neither do I have the time to pay attention to empty mockery such as is logicboy's.

MrAnony1:
Non-Christians should live a morally upright life because they will be judged in the afterlife based on how they lived their lives. If they are pure and without sin then they will be rewarded but if any sin is found in them, they will be punished. Furthermore, if they have repented of their sins and accepted Christ's atoning sacrifice, then they will be forgiven of the sins they may have commited...but if they reject God's forgiveness through Christ then they will have to pay for their sins themselves.

macof:

Wat mal-formed options? you just trying to be careful not to contradict urself and beliefs some more. simply be humble and admit u have been a nuisance on this thread
You have made absolutely no sense from ur first post

mazaje:

Anony just threw what his religion teaches under the bus. . .he said non believes will go to heaven. . .He just wants to be every where. . .Its funny that every ones sees through his shenanigans except him. . .

akpos4uall: What a nice thread with some nice replies. Thanks to FOLYKAZE & macof I've just learnt something new about consciousness. Clearly, few or nobody else agrees with both of them. To me, with their view, a better understanding of the terms/words life, death & afterlife can be easily explained. Hence, if you both don't mind, may you give us some examples as well as questions that will clarify what life, death and afterlife are before finally answering the OP?

akpos4uall: What a nice thread with some nice replies. Thanks to FOLYKAZE & macof I've just learnt something new about consciousness. Clearly, few or nobody else agrees with both of them. To me, with their view, a better understanding of the terms/words life, death & afterlife can be easily explained. Hence, if you both don't mind, may you give us some examples as well as questions that will clarify what life, death and afterlife are before finally answering the OP?

striktlymi: At what point does consciousness begin? Is it at the point of conception? The point when we start becoming aware of our environment? Or does it predate our physical existence?