Dygeasy: I take it you're one of the large percentage of people who ignore youtube video links.

Make sure you are sure of what's being talked about before plunging into it.

Mariopgomery: I dont think his intention was to knock her out.

MizMyColi:

Certainly not @TheEmboldened.
I do not excuse either of them expressly.
I still maintain that it was really inhumane of him to knock out a human being like that.
That's my stand.
Take for instance, the woman who forced her house help to sit on a burning gas cooker.
For all we know, she might have offended the woman gravely (or so she thought).
Does that in anyway justify the kind of treatment meted on that child, does it?
Both of them should be sorry for their disgraceful acts, but he should be more sorry for reacting to such extent.

Danhumprey: So in essence,you will have been happy if he hasn't reacted at all?

If the man has reacted in a small/insignificant way,you people will have complained. Now,he reacted to the extent that the woman passed out and yet you are still complaining,blaming him.

I don't gerrit!

zeb04: yeh that's it.he fought back(he retaliated) he wasnt trying to defend himself. There are certain ways things shld be handled. No matter how we try to downplay it,he was wrong(she was wrong to) and they shld both face the consequence.


I am not trying to be biased BT I don't knockout someone and I call it defense.

MizMyColi:
Even in anger, moderation is key.

Hey!
Why picking on me?
Did you bother going through my posts at all?
Puhleeeaaze

Who cares if perpetrator and victim are all men or all women or from different sides of the divide?
It was wrong and inhumane to leave a human being that way.

Danhumprey: When the woman was angry and misbehaving and doing all sort of things to the man,did she considered that moderation is key? You sound like a feminist who has one or two grievances against the male folks,because from your comments,you've been mainly focusing on the man,targetting him,scrutinising his action.

Mariopgomery: I think its only a matter of time before things go bad for women again. Men would soon realize they have been played by this so called feminist and their double standards. Men would soon start educating their sons not to take bullshit from women.

Danhumprey: She probably don't have MB to watch videos on Youtube or her phone isn't a smartphone or a phone that can't watch Youtube videos online. Maybe you shouldn't blame her.

Chillisauce: Double standards indeed.
The same set of people shouting don't hit first will be same folks hitting on their kids, housemaid etc.

If you condone the Mr Rice hitting back then you are as good as supporting violence.

When a violence is done, using violence to solve it makes it a circle.
When you are hit, it's better you move away from the situation than hitting back.
Get away from the source of problem esp humans than eradicating it.

Lol at self defense, you call that knockout blow self defense?

cococandy: Like I said before in the other thread,I think they both got served.
She tasted near death
And he's tasting near career loss.
Seems sort of fair to me.

If she'd passed out for some days longer,it would have been fairest.
So that she can learn to keep her hands to herself in future when having a misunderstanding.

Why spit on him? To me that's unforgivable.
I'll never live with someone who's ever spat at me. That's what you do to disgusting shiit n scum.
I find it weird she's living with someone who disgusts her.

Now she's forming repentance.
Well I'm sure it'll be a while before she hits someone again.
Him too.

greatgod2012: This is my stand..............


Honestly, it's a show of total disrespect, indiscipline, mannerlessness, rudeness and gross arrogancy on the part of a woman to hit his man first.
Violence should not be caused by anyone, be it man or woman, let there always be mutual respect.
What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.
It is a gross hypocrisy when we say a man should not hit a woman but turn a blind eye when it is the other way round.
Let's be objective please.
Not supporting a man hitting his woman, as well as a woman hitting his man.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HIT, DON'T HIT FIRST.......

MizMyColi:


Certainly not @TheEmboldened.
I do not excuse either of them expressly.
I still maintain that it was really inhumane of him to knock out a human being like that.
That's my stand.

Take for instance, the woman who forced her house help to sit on a burning gas cooker.
For all we know, she might have offended the woman gravely (or so she thought).
Does that in anyway justify the kind of treatment meted on that child, does it?


Both of them should be sorry for their disgraceful acts, but he should be more sorry for reacting to such extent.

Chillisauce: Double standards indeed.
The same set of people shouting don't hit first will be same folks hitting on their kids, housemaid etc.
If you condone the Mr Rice hitting back then you are as good as supporting violence.
When a violence is done, using violence to solve it makes it a circle.
When you are hit, it's better you move away from the situation than hitting back.
Get away from the source of problem esp humans than eradicating it.
Lol at self defense, you call that knockout blow self defense?

Dygeasy: The example you're citing doesn't quite follow the issue here.

The househelp analogy; her mistress knew fully well what a burning stove would do irrespective of her level of anger.

If you slap me and I punch you back, my punch could either break your jaw or scatter some teeth or do both. I didn't determine that. I don't think Mr. Rice intended to knock her out.

We have people studying psychology. Objectivity is the key in discussing this issue.

crackhaus:
Cynical opinion.


Depends on how you look at it.


Now you're sounding hypocritical, I prefer the cynical opinion above.
If you're been honest with yourself, you know that moving away is not as easy as you make it seem.


Knockout blow? not really. Self defence? not really as well.
You're both right and wrong.

He wanted to stop her from advancing towards him, he also wanted to hit her...he didn't make a fist from what I saw (someone correct me here), he basically hit her face in an 'intentional-defensive-get-away-from-me-woman-fashion'.
She lost balance (because she was definitely tipsy or high, going by the way she was walking outside the elevator), and hit her head on the inner railing of the elevator. This is what knocked her out, not the contact with his hand.

Floodgater: i also wonder too. When they know that a woman's hit can never be compared to a man's. Yes we all know she did wrong. I dont know if it has been considered that women has natural fear thus tend to know where to draw the line esp. With loved ones unlike a man who would beat as though he is beating a fellow man. Is it to proove to men that they are gender unbias that they will come back and tell men it is ok to beat their women if she hit first after telling them it is a no no to beating women. If you look at the other thread you will see women started applauding Ray Rice when men where against his act before the men started following suit. I am still wondering if they can still confidently say it was ok to hit back had the woman died.

MizMyColi: Let's just say:
She got served.

aisha2: A few months ago I did a post on the Jay Z Solange elevator scandal, unfortunately the tsunami wiped it off.

Now with the Ray Rice issue the issue of double standards is glaring.

A woman attacks a man, he fights back and he is the criminal. Same thing would have happened to Jay Z if he hit back.

Women should not go around hitting men because they have the weaker se-x card same way men should not go around hitting women adults should handle conflicts like adults.

If anyone behaves like a thug man or woman then they have brought on themselves treatelment reserves for thugs.
If a woman feels slapping or hitting a man is the way to resolve conflicts then they should also expect slaps back.

I don't buy the smaller hands argument,abuse is more emotional than physical hitting is hitting.

All of a sudden everyone is awake and condemning this even president Obama but I didn't hear his voice when solange hit Jay Z.

We can't win the war against gender based violence if the wat is tilted to one side. Till we balance the standards and show clearly that man or woman no one has the right to go hitting another we won't win.
Violence has no gender, no gender has monopoly of being abuser or victim. Stop violence against person's let there be a universal standard for all.

Phut:

Aisha, you are totally wrong. She did not spit on him. He spat on her. That was when she pushed him. This happened while he was standing beside the pillar and she was trying to get by him.
She entered the elevator and stood in the corner. He entered behind her, left all the space in the elevator and crowded her in her corner. It would seem he was warning her for pushing him and that he touched her again at this time, before things rapidly went down hill.

He was the aggressor all the way. He sprayed his spittle all over her and still had to warn her for pushing him in return? Seems like a person who expects her to cower and take any indignity that he dishes. He is a coward. Please do not use this scenario to make your double standard argument. E no enter at all

Do not watch the video on your phone. Use your laptop or any device with a big screen. You will clearly see that he was the one that spat on her before she pushed him

MizMyColi:
Even in anger, moderation is key.

Chillisauce:

In a sane society, even when a man fights their fellow men, they are punished for it, then you wonder why there won't be some sort of punishment for someone who almost killed another and tagging it as self defense. Self defense from what? Spit ?

Danhumprey: You know what? Your shorthand typing suck! And worst of all,you are not making sense! So.....

Floodgater: exactly. Except for the self defence from gender insecurities here i didnt see any self defence there.

Chillisauce:

That's where self control comes in. If you think moving away ain't easy, try knocking out someone who ends up being dead.
She poked or spit on him outside the elevator, he didn't do anything but waited until they got inside the elevator before hitting her.

I don't support whatever she did, but he would have done himself good to walk away from her.
What happens if she ended being dead,you think with the video coverage he would have exonerated himself?

Funny thing is that people like this are attracted to one another. But the society can't keep a blind eye to it. Something must be done to stop the rage and that is using someone as scape goat.

Self control.

MizMyColi:


Certainly not @TheEmboldened.
I do not excuse either of them expressly.
I still maintain that it was really inhumane of him to knock out a human being like that.
That's my stand.

Take for instance, the woman who forced her house help to sit on a burning gas cooker.
For all we know, she might have offended the woman gravely (or so she thought).
Does that in anyway justify the kind of treatment meted on that child, does it?


Both of them should be sorry for their disgraceful acts, but he should be more sorry for reacting to such extent.