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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Nobody: 8:15pm On Aug 27, 2016|
Any ISPON member in the house?
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Nobody: 8:35am On Aug 28, 2016|
hello , pls i need a rundown cost of this proffesional certification and pls, is it much preferable to masters.
I need a reply asap
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Alexisu: 9:21pm On Sep 05, 2016|
Bro... how much did you pay for the program, and what is the duration and schedule like?
Awaiting your quick response.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by desertboom(m): 10:40pm On Sep 05, 2016|
Alexisu:I paid a total of seventy thousand naira #70,000 thus;
General HSE = #45,000
HSE Supervision = #25,000
At least with the above certification you can start your career as a safety officer.
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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Alexisu: 3:22am On Sep 06, 2016|
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by ademasta(m): 8:18pm On Sep 11, 2016|
Please what can you say about OSHA... OSHAcademy. How recognized is it?
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Novelle: 11:03pm On Sep 23, 2016|
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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by hustleranthem(m): 6:47pm On Sep 25, 2016|
Plz were is ispon office in warri?
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Allwility: 11:03pm On Sep 25, 2016|
It's only in Naija things are done upside down. It is improper for ISPON to demand that safety officers be registered with them without having a recognition system for other safety certifications. The idea that if you've got other certification eg your NEBOSH IGC or Diploma but must take the General HSE course and HSE level 3 before becoming a member is hilarious.
They need to consider other route of entry to membership. Check out IOSH or IIRSM, you will see they've got different routes of entry to their different membership levels. Besides what are ISPON's plans for CPD? Does HSE stop in level 3? I know some HRs will soon jump on the bandwagon train..ie 'no ISPON membership, no recruitment for the position of safety personnel'. That to me is placing more value on a certificate... U get it??
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by agabusta: 11:02am On Sep 26, 2016|
I don't get it. A certificate is simply an evidence that you have undergone some learning process. The ISPON Act has already given ISPON the mandate to maintain a register of safety professionals. The implication of this is that any one not on that register and practicing safety in Nigeria is doing so illegally. Though it seems unfair, but its the sad truth, the ISPON Act is a subsisting Law of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. That is the reality on ground presently and until the law is repealed it will remain.
Some other professional bodies in Nigeria also has such clause in the Act setting them up, its not unique to ISPON. As you opined that HR folks may start demanding for membership of ISPON as a condition for employment, i think that is how it should be. Any HR person that knows his/her onions should definitely request for same as it has a legal implication in the event of an accident in the workplace and an ensuing court action. Based on subsisting law, the court will not recognize that a company has a Safety Officer if the person is not recognized by law as a safety professional.
"If you cant beat them, join them" so they say. If you are keen in becoming a member, why not humble yourself and submit to their process. If we can use hundreds of thousands to run foreign professional training courses, why cant we spare a cheaper amount for courses run by ISPON? Rome is not built in a day, some of those courses we refer to as prestigious also started relatively unknown.
No knowledge is lost, No matter the qualifications you have, you'll still have something to gain from their courses. Asides the General and HSE level 3 courses, there are lot of other trainings offered by ISPON for professional development.
ISPON courses are not as expensive as those foreign ones and should be the first resort to those seeking professional certificate in safety. Lets always endearvour to patronise Naija to grow Naija. We too like foreign things in this our country.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Allwility: 11:56am On Sep 26, 2016|
cc: zeongeon and other respected safety professionals in the house.
I am not saying that ISPON shouldn't oversee safety in Nigeria. All I am saying is that they should have different routes of entry into their membership cadre. Their stance of if you do not hold a GHSE and HSE level 3, no membership is streamlining things. So if I register and practice HSE in say the UK for instance, and my company posts me to the Nigeria do I have to start from the scratch again?
I know GHSE and HSE Level 3 doesn't cost much but then factor this: if every other country operates on the same basis as our dear ISPON, that means we all would have to take GHSE again in these countries fa...it doesn't make sense.
In Canada for instance, there are different routes to becoming a CRSP. Here's a link to how you can become one.
Same goes for IOSH and all other safety professional bodies. The truth is that ISPON is looking at the money they stand to make by having people run their GHSE and HSE level 3 courses. They need to standardize things so that ISPON membership can be considered as a basis for becoming a member of other safety professional bodies in other countries.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by zeongeon: 1:48pm On Sep 26, 2016|
Allwility:I get what your saying but if you do your research well you would know that all those foreign bodies have an understanding between themselves and have established a sort of connection and affiliation. That's why you will hear CRSP make mention of IOSH as one of the courses you can do to be a member of CRSP.
The thing is that most of all these international safety bodies will still have you take there indigenous exams before you can be a member and ISPON is trying to do same. In the ISPON act it states that Ispon would accredit and certify centers or organizations that run standard and update hse courses in Nigeria and anywhere else, therefore there is a probability that Ispon may have in its plan to later have people who run other hse courses with other organizations to become members. The chairman Ispon Lagos said they had iosh and British safety council telling Ispon to run there courses, with such developments, probably in the future one can become Ispon member with professional bodies that are recognized by and affiliated with ISPON.
Safety is still gaining grounds in Nigeria and you won't blame ISPON for trying to make an impression and stamp there foot on the floor.
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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by zeongeon: 1:59pm On Sep 26, 2016|
ademasta:Programs and courses with OSHAcademy are quite recognized. OSHAcademy treats safety from the american point of view with standards that are applicable and appreciated in top organizations.
America companies will look at your OSHA certifications before they look at your NEBOSH and organizations that are committed to safety will surely appreciate your OSHA certifications.
The reason why people are so NEBOSH based is cause of..
1. Nebosh is British and the British are known to deliver when it comes to quality and standard of education.
2. Nebosh since is British is recognized in Europe and other countries that has to do with the Queen (Australia, Newzealand and Canada).
3.Nebosh has a strong marketing base it has influence in the middle east, Europe, Asia and Africa.
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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by ademasta(m): 2:06pm On Sep 26, 2016|
zeongeon:Words alone is not enough to appreciate this your wholehearted help. Thank you very much.
I have the 132hr oshacademy professional certification since 2014. I passed all the exams but just afraid of purchasing the certificates... Cos i wouldnt want a situation where by it would not be useful.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by zeongeon: 10:38pm On Sep 26, 2016|
ademasta:The OSHA certificate is useful. It now depends on your resilience, network/connections, referrals and God Almighty to bless the hard work you put I'm acquiring the certifications.
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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Bearshare(m): 1:18am On Sep 27, 2016|
I beg to differ,
OSHA is simply a brief abbreviation for OSHAcademy which is just a training academy.
Now you must understand the difference between training academy or training body and certification bodies. OSHA represents the former, NEBOSH is a certification body.
Certificates from training bodies can not land you any recognised membership and the certificates issued are not more than simply a training certificate.
Certificates from certification bodies will land you recognition to become a member of renowed membership bodies around the world and you can build up your certification until you get something close if not similar to an academic degree.
NEBOSH IGC is NVQ level 4 (OND equivalent in Nigeria), NEBOSH International Diploma is NVQ level 6 (Bsc equivalent in the world). With a NEBOSH international diploma you can go on to do your masters degree in Occupational health and safety with lots of universities in the world.
My friend, do more research before we give information to innocent folks here, there is a reason why NEBOSH is the biggest and most recognised certification in health and safety in the world. Even IOSH recognises them, ROSPA depends on them, British Safety Council trains NEBOSH courses, IIRSM seeks NEBOSH endorsements for laws and conferences.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by agabusta: 9:12am On Sep 27, 2016|
Bros you are just talking semantics.....Training academy, Certification body, etc ........
They are basically same without recourse to their preference within the Nigerian context and their popularity where they are domiciled. In both cases, you study for a particular course and write the exam. Dont get it twisted just because OSHAcademy has academy as part of its name. Or because we are more familiar with NEBOSH just because of our closeness to Uk and European standards. Both are private bodies awarding certificates after fulfillment of certain criteria set by them. But it must be stated that NEBOSH has grown far more than OSHAcademy.
And please let try us try and desist from calling OSHAcademy OSHA. It confuses a lot of people. OSHAcademy is a private body while OSHA is a US government regulatory Agency. They are very much different from each other.
You guys overhype NEBOSH too much. Though I have done NEBOSH but its funny the way people overhype NEBOSH as if everything about safety is NEBOSH. This hype of NEBOSH tends to confuse up-starters that so far they can get a NEBOSH certification, the rest is bliss.
Notwithstanding, I would advise anyone to go for NEBOSH than OSHAcademy courses if the person is financially okay. If you dont have the cash for NEBOSH yet, you can run OSHAcademy free courses online, and then purchase the certificates later.
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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by ademasta(m): 12:04pm On Sep 27, 2016|
zeongeon:Thank you so much sir. May God bless you.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by ademasta(m): 12:11pm On Sep 27, 2016|
agabusta:Wow! Well said.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by zeongeon: 12:28pm On Sep 27, 2016|
Bearshare:My brother you have said well, as there is no information that isn't useful when it comes to safety.
However, certification and training bodies are same cause Nebosh is even regarded as a training body. Even with OSHA you can be member of renowned safety organizations in the world. in case you don't know OSHAcademy isn't playing as you can request for transcript from them and tell them to mail you transcript to any school. you are graded and even have CGPA. Universities and colleges also refer students to oshacademy online programs and employers also refer employees to them.
Your saying things like Nebosh is equivalent to ond, bsc and even gives u opportunity to go for masters well I think I said all that when I mention the quality and standard of British education from my previous post.
Employers who are safety committed will still look at OSHA along side Nebosh and I will say that american companies will always look at OSHAcademy certs first. I know of someone working with chevron he doesn't have nebosh all he has are oshacademy online certificates.
Notwithstanding, OSHA, IoSH, Nebosh, CIEH etc are all recognized safety training and certification bodies. The thing with OSHA is that it reduces cost of acquiring a world recognized certification and training. I have got nebosh but still do OSHA courses and there is nothing wrong with that.
To further advice people, you can take specific oshacademy courses tailored towards industries for example fall protection course, scaffold safety etc. because I have come across vacancies that specifically mentioned having certifications in some specific courses that affect industry eg scaffolding safety certification, electrical safety certifocation, COSHH certification etc.
Do your OSHA or Nebosh but try to network with other safety professionals and put your ears down for information as regards job openings and internship.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Nobody: 3:53pm On Sep 27, 2016|
I have tried to inform people that ask me about their career path on being a HSE Professional that NEBOSH IGC is still HSE Appreciation. While the curriculum is good and robust-more robust than NISP/ISPON, you still cannot effectively use NEBOSH IGC knowledge for something as deep and HSE Risk Engineering or Chemical Process Safety. It does not go that deep. I have an MSc. in Risk Engineering: Safety Engineering and Management from University of Toulouse under the National Institute of Applied Sciences, Toulouse, France and even ''almighty'' NEBOSH Idip only scratches the surface.
It is a good starting point, but as I try to inform people, let us not confuse NEBOSH it as the height of being a HSE Professional. With your NEBOSH IGC or IDP I will not let you manage Process Safety of a single vessel in a chemical process industry. YOU WILL BLOW UP THE FACILITY. There are still very specific courses that will be required to properly handle this. Areas like functional safety (SIL/SIF/SIS), reliability/availability, safety engineering design calculations, Fire and Gas Cloud Modelling, Chemical Process Control, Pressure relief system design/sizing, Management of Alarm Systems, Chemical Reaction Safety Assessment and general probabilistic approach to HSE Risk Engineering and lots more.
However, due to the international recognition ascribed to NEBOSH and having the opportunity to have gone through NEBOSH and ISPON materials, NEBOSH is more robust whether on the IGC level or IDP Level over ISPON.
In my opinion start with ISPON, then move to NEBOSH IGC,IDip, then where you require more knowledge on some specific areas, you can go get those skills.
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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by desertboom(m): 5:18pm On Sep 28, 2016|
Wow. . . We have top-notch HSE professionals here. I am very happy to be here, your written words and advise has really inspired me to be the best.
Actually, I am through with ISPON programme up to level 3 but there is no way to put my knowledge into use because of lack of opportunity. Most times, I wonder if I will ever have opportunity to practise HSE. I also intend to start NEBOSH IGC pending when I have complete money to fund the programme. I so much like HSE
I appeal to HSE practitioners, professionals, Managers, HR and CEO here to come to my aid. I am ready to work for free, yes for free for any organization to enable me learn the nitty gritty of HSE. I am a Port Harcourt resident. I will be happy to see someone help. Thanks
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Allwility: 7:18pm On Sep 28, 2016|
Ok, I think I have to say something here. First things first, @OmaniPadmeHum, let's not confuse safety management and safety engineering. NEBOSH Dip deals with the former and MSC. in risk management or process safety engineering deals with the latter. In NEBOSH Dip, you learn about safety management, Control of hazardous agents etc but in process safety engineering you learn stuffs like fault tree analysis, FMEA, QRA, HAZOP and the likes. These are two different things.
Having said that, bearshare is right. OSHAcademy is just like Novelle, Sheilds, or any other training body in the world. OSHA doesn't certify individuals or trainers but can authorize trainers bodies to conduct training.
I stand to be corrected on this but I think here's what goes:
HSE regulators: OSHA (US), HSE (UK), NIMASA, Fed Ministry of Labour and Employment, Worksafe ACT, Safework Australia
HSE Professional bodies: IOSH, IIRSM, IRCA (safety auditors fall under here, shebi them be safety too...lol), ASSE, CIEH, IEMA etc
Note: These professional bodies do conduct training courses or license course providers to conduct training programs as part of their continuous professional developed. You have different cadres of membership like graduate members, fellows, chartered members etc.
HSE Examination bodies: NEBOSH, Universities that conduct HSE degree or diploma programs etc.
Course Training Providers: OSHAcademy, Novelle, Fintserv, Sheilds etc. These training providers sometimes get licensed or approved by the examination bodies or regulatory bodies to conduct training and issue certificates of attendance or awards that you underwent a training.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Nobody: 7:53pm On Sep 28, 2016|
Hahahaha..confuse? Well, I dont know how far you have practiced safety. But since it seems most of us here are just talking from a one week or one month course experience done on safety/HSE let me go a little deeper. Today in the HSE Discipline, there is an argument due to the opinion you have. Some argue that 'Management' is just a skill even required by the Engineers and so safety engineering is the main thing. They argue that what you call ''Safety Management'' is Safety Engineering basics and that advanced skills should be taught latter at a higher level. The certificates do not say ''Safety Management'' and In their career paths safety engineers or the ones you called ''safety managers' will get to the management cadre in the company. They will be referred to as ''Manager Safety''. And they argue that all Engineers require management skills. So what you call safety management, some have decided to call Safety Administration, which some also do not accept.SO NO, I AM NOT CONFUSING THE TWO. I KNOW QUITE WELL WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. This was a problem we considered the philosophy and thought of the discipline. Another problem with the discipline is the use of abbreviations which means one thing in one company/country but many mean another thing.
Thank you all the same.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Nobody: 8:29pm On Sep 28, 2016|
In Port Harcourt, try to approach any Safety Consulting Firm and see if you can work with them for experience sake. If you want materials on NEBOSH lGC let me know so I can send them to you soft copy so you can prepare before hand and get a good head start. If you can get a distinction like some of us, then it will be nice. I will refer you to Total's career site. Go there sign-up and complete you CV Profile there. They at times have openings. You could be lucky.
Another thing. Join a lot of HSE Forums on places like LinkedIn. There, people bring there problems-both engineering and administration-in their facilities and companies and all of us put hands/heads together to offer solution based on experiences. There you will learn and when an issue is posted, you can apply your knowledge in proffering solutions. It will really help.You will have to devote some time to HSE Forums and Blogs.
Develop a network of other HSE Professionals. Your contacts and network will go a long way. You will get beneficial information and guidance on a lot of things.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Novelle: 10:56pm On Sep 28, 2016|
You're still wrong my dear friend. Let me contribute here as Novelle Center (A training provider). I think the information you guys give out here is the reason why lots of Nigerians are more confused than ever. There is nothing like semantics here, rather you need to understand how these things work.
Firstly, this whole Occupational health and safety as an industry is legally framed with the following compartments:
1. Content Developers/Regulators
2. Training Providers
3. Examining/Certifying body
4. Membership/Induction body
1. Who are this content developers/Regulators: simply put, they are incharge of building the contents used in health and safety training, practice and management. Their primary task is to regulate the body and ensure compliance of standards. They are the ones responsible for giving titles such as Electrical safety, chemical safety, plant safety, working at heights and even the Acts/Regulations that guide occupational health and safety training, practice and management.
Their limitations: They dont issue certificates, they dont provide training, they dont certify. All they do is regulate. E.g HSE (i.e. Health and Safety Executives)
2. Who are Training Providers: simply put, they are incharge of training and imparting the knowledge of occupational health and safety. Their primary task is to help the students understand areas to engage in health and safety practice. For example, a novice can walk up to a training provider and say, please I want to build a career in Health and safety. The training provider will ask him questions relating to his passion, skills, educational background, career ambition. And thereafter, guide him on the related course to choose from.
Their limitations: They normally should not issue certificates, as such certificates cannot be recognised. All they are empowered to do according to the law is to simply train you and prepare you to be write exams which will be set by examination/certification bodies. E.g. Novelle Center can never issue you a certificate bearing its name and claim the certificate is recognised. Why? because Novelle Center according to the law is not empowered to issue certificate. other examples of training provider are Sheilds, Astutis, SMTS, Genesaret, Lonadek, OSHAcademy etc.
3. Examination/Certification bodies: simply put, are incharge of certifying if an individual is empowered and knowledgeable for the career of Occupational health and safety, and the shortest way they do this is simply by setting an examination. After candidates pass this exam, they certify you accordingly. Examples are NEBOSH, RoSPA, RSPH. This is what ISPON should have become, rather they are playing almost the entire role of regulating, training, certifying, and membership which in all fairness is not the right way to go.
Their limitations: They are often times not empowered to train, or build contents. The only thing they are empowered to do is simply examine and certify candidates. You hear things like "this is to certify that Mr XYZ having passed this exam in___ is now fit as a certified in ___".
4. Membership/Induction body: simply put are incharge of providing membership to those who having being training, examined and certified which to be recognised as professionals. Example is IOSH,IIRSM.
Their limitations: They do not training, they do not certify, they do not examine, their main function is to endorse successful candidates to become members.
I understand that most persons in this forum are basically doing everything within their power to promote ISPON which in my opinion is okay, but in all fairness you should try and provide a balanced judgement. Lots of people visit here to get proper information.
For: Novelle Center©
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|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by desertboom(m): 1:56pm On Sep 29, 2016|
Thanks for your responses. I will do as you've advised and I will appreciate if you can send the materials to firstname.lastname@example.org
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Nobody: 2:07pm On Sep 29, 2016|
Two materials sent. The second one is heavy. NEBOSH IGC 1 AND IGC 2. About 600 pages.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by desertboom(m): 5:34pm On Sep 29, 2016|
Receipt acknowledged. Thank you Sir, I really appreciate your help and input. Please, put me in mind should you come across anything/job/offer that will be of help to me. Once more, thanks.
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by mitchel: 6:10pm On Sep 29, 2016|
Good day everyone. I have followed this thread for some time and I have learnt alot. I have undergone Ispon level 3 and Ghse trainings. I really need a place to gain experience in HSE.OmaniPadmeHum, I will be grateful if you can send the Nebosh materials to email@example.com. Thank you
|Re: Any HSE Professionals In The House? by Nobody: 7:19pm On Sep 29, 2016|
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