Bidam:
oK O, You would have arranged this text in paragraphs for easy reading and quoted your source to avoid plagiarism. Since the source agrees that there is a NT prophet my question is this: Are New Testament Prophet ever used in guidance and control of another person‟s life like the OT or are they used to confirm the already known and revealed will of God?

shdemidemi:
The church is not a playground neither is it a social bless me club. You can easily differentiate the false prophets from the real prophets by their fruits. The false prophets have familiar spirits,they can give word of wisdom and knowledge alright but a discerning christian will realize that their words of wisdom and knowledge has ONE MOTIVE to gratify the flesh. The false prophets appeals to the carnality of the individual. Prophecy is not all about material and wealth acquisition, these things actually becomes a snare to the believer...the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh.

Bidam na you b this?

Bidam:
Ehen so? You guys always come with a preconceived mindset i just don't know why.

shdemidemi:


When one stands for nothing he falls for anything. Today you will agree that gratification of the flesh is a red sign if we must identify a false prophet; yesterday, we can build self through words that come out of our mouth, only God knows what you will be saying tomorrow.

I can't recall how long I have been telling you gratification of the flesh or self diametrically negate the gospel of Christ. This statement constantly hit a brick wall in your mind when we discuss, here you are posting exactly what you oppose.

Like books, you seem confused bro. I am really sorry to say that but that is exactly what I think the problem is.

Good morning to you my dearest apostle and virtual boss.

vooks:
my brother,
I know too well that John who came in the spirit and power of Elijah performed no miracles. This means miracles are not a condition for belief.

Be that as it may, in Mark, Jesus Christ promised signs to those who believe and he enumerated them. And we see the same unfolding spectacularly in Acts. So this verse is as literal as they get. Do you agree?

Bidam:
No i am not, you said speaking in tongues gratify flesh and you are yet to prove where it is stated in scripture.

anukulapo:


You know that Jesus died for the world and called out the "church" not a member of the "church".

The manifestation of the spirit is for all to profit;that the body may be edified. While he was not out rightly condemning self edification, the man who spoke in tongues them all (paraphrasing) said he'll rather that they (the audience and by extension we too) PROPHESY rather than SPEAK IN TONGUES because he that prophesy edifies all BUT he that speaks in tongue edifies himSELF.

For the most of it (IMO) tongues have been esteemed by todays believers just as circumcision was by the jews...and you know what Paul said about circumcision also "For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh." (Galatians 6:13). If the tongue talkers keep not the command of the lord,they just seek occasion to be different;more like new testament pharisees

These 3 things abides forever, FAITH HOPE and LOVE. The greatest is love

"He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

I would that ye all spake with tongues, BUT rather that ye prophesied: for GREATER is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, EXCEPT he interpret, that THE CHURCH may receive edifying." (1 Corinthians 14:4-5).

I hope that helps.

Shalom.

Bidam:
No i am not, you said speaking in tongues gratify flesh and you are yet to prove where it is stated in scripture. Like i always say, i attack messages not personalities, i am not an extremist and i do not recall where you corrected me on carnal desires about wealth,fame and fortune. Feel free to quote the place on this forum. Stay blessed bro.

shdemidemi:
#Lookulookulooku

May God open our eyes of understanding to discern those things that have been freely given to us by God's grace.

vooks:

Before I say amen, what is looku?
Bidam, I need your help

shdemidemi:


Lol..

It's naija vernacular interpretation of 'look'.

Bidam:
Is tongue for spiritual edification or self gratification?

vooks:
In his sect, private edification is carnal and unbecoming of a Christian yet group/church edification is most welcome and mighty beneficial.

anukulapo:

When I consider your response, I feel like I'm getting stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't know if I should accept that you really don't understand shdemidemi's point or you are on war of words.
Though if it is a war of words,I understand.
It is clear that Vooks is not at war with words because he clearly understands the issue (see quote below)

What I understand (regardless of the choice of word whether SELF edification or gratification) is that it is about SELF or the body of christ even as it can be seen in one of the arguments of the role of the NT and OT prophets.

vooks:
Bro,
This shdemidemi dude needs deliverance from ignorance and illiteracy. Paul says when you pray in tongues you are edified. In his sect, private edification is carnal and unbecoming of a Christian yet group/church edification is most welcome and mighty beneficial. He is a fanatical adherent of his own confused traditions and prejudices, always speaking evil of things he doesn't understand.

How can Holy Spirit work on your flesh using tongues in one instance and in the next He works on your spirit?

Bidam:
What i do not understand is your earlier post and i want a clarification on that.

Bidam:
If you don't understand why the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is given to believers why not asking questions, instead of having a traditional mindset on such issues?

anukulapo:

Please,tell me how it is that you do not understand it. Is it that the post is incomprehensible OR you seem not to find it related to the answer that you were expecting?



...Nevertheless at thy word,I will ask. Please Bidam, teach me about "...with the evidence of speaking in tongues" because that is the only part I seem not to understand.

If I have questions,I hope I can ask...and my questions are usually kinda life application (or the answers that I usually require)

I hope you won't be teaching in tongues o because that will not be profitable to me. Just kidding. LOL

Bidam:
Once again i ask you, is "tongues" for spiritual edification or flesh gratification?

anukulapo:

Tongues is meant for edification.

Bidam:
Your friend shdemidemi thinks otherwise. He said "tongues" are meant for flesh gratification. Thank you.

shdemidemi:


what do you understand by the word 'edify'?

Do christians get edified by prayers?

Bidam:
I want to limit the discuss to the purpose of this thread. I am not interested in the usual bickerings and exchanges with you any more. God knows i tried my best explaining to you last year why tongues is for all believers. If you disagree with me then and still disagree with vooks till now, it's only God that can help you.

shdemidemi:




I can understand, as long as you stop using my moniker for some form of reference on the subject I won't ask you questions I know you can't answer. I never expect you to talk beyond what you know....enjoy bro.

Bidam:
Your friend shdemidemi thinks otherwise. He said "tongues" are meant for flesh gratification. Thank you.

anukulapo:

Ok,let me try to start from an earlier point. The bible is clear about the issue.

The truth is, as for the choice of GRATIFICATION as the definite word (due to its literal meaning), it negates the truth of the scripture about tongues. However,it is possible that (some) right things can be done the right way for the wrong reason. Isn't it possible?

"But he that prophesieth speaketh UNTO MEN TO (their) EDIFICATION, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue EDIFIETH HIMSELF; but he that prophesieth EDIFIETH THE CHURCH." (1 Corinthians 14:3-4).

Here is the drill;next verse:

"I would that ye all spake with tongues (edify yourself), but rather that ye prophesied (edifies the church): for greater is he that prophesieth(edifies the church) than he that speaketh with tongues (edifies himself), EXCEPT he interpret, (so) that THE CHURCH may receive edifying." (1 Corinthians 14:5).

EDIFICATION is common to both.
* Like I said in my earlier post, I think the issue is about edification of 1) SELF or 2) CHURCH.
SELF has a tendency/possibility to be selfish (about ones self without extension to others) while in edifying the church,all parts including the "self" is edified.