*Hauwa*:

Jinx and Michelin89 OP, happy New year fa.

Barka da sabunta Shekera, yaya na.

How was your celebration?

Sisi Jinx:

The label is so thoroughly worn out, I can't read anything on it. . .

na lie, that product was just recently put on the shelf and i can testify to that, brand u from the factory

na2day?:


na lie, that product was just recently put on the shelf and i can testify to that, brand u from the factory

Aaaah! Factory, eh? Hmmm, guess that's what they call recycle bin these days.

once again u are wrong dear, recycle bin is what u find on ur computer

Sisi Jinx:

Aaaah! Factory, eh? Hmmm, guess that's what they call recycle bin these days.

debosky (m)

« #21 on: 10 December 2008, 15:27:31 »

Yeah right.  Tongue

What about the confused women? One second they are all 'independent women' - I want to do my thing, don't 'control' me, I can't 'submit' to any man, blah blah blah.

The next minute, a man takes them on a date and doesn't want to pay - what do you hear? 'These yeye men sef! They want to copy oyibo culture. In naija I NEVER paid for a drink in my whole life.'  Tongue

I'm not sure what this nebulous 'African culture' is, but it means different things to different people. People will always 'defend' their culture - Arabs say don't copy western ways. The French say wearing hijabs is polluting or affecting French values and culture. Americans say Obama bringing a welfare system is polluting their capitalist culture with European nonsense. Nigerians complain makossa music is polluting their own musical heritage, Ghanaians say naija movies are making their people patronize more herbalists. . . . the list is endless.

People will always seek to 'defend' something they identify with - it is an instinctive response above anything else, often not based on some rational measurement of the benefits or demerits of the cultural aspect in question, simply because 'that's the way I've always known it to be'.

That is why WOMEN are often the greatest proponents and practitioners of genital mutilation, despite the fact that it hurts them the most.

A very intelligent observation! Anyway, selective usage of culture is common place all over the world. And besides, globally, it is actually the females that are custodian of culture and not the male as one would like to think. Now, if female Africans begins to advocate the jettisoning of our cultures; then i am afraid the future of Africa is very gloomy!

That said: The western culture that "some" people would like to whole heartedly import, is itself not free of faults. Actually, there is nothing wrong in learning from other cultures as the Yoruba people knew a long time ago (Awon agbalagba ni: ogbon ologbon kii je a pe agba ni were). The optimal way would therefore be to imbibe the good things of other peoples culture into the local culture like the Japanese successfully did and as many Asians are doing. Christianity and Islam was preached in China, Japan etc. However, you'll never find that these people try to be more Christians than the oyinbos. They are actually not so xtianised nor islamised and they are advance countries in term of economic and cultural development. Even the elightened Westerners that have become disillusioned by the purported foundation of their culture are turning to "Eastern Philosophy and Religion". Now, the Africans tale is different! The Africans would love to think that he / she is more christian than the Oyinbos. Yet, Africa remain the most backward continent despite having churches and mosques in every nooks and crannies and the deafening prayers and isojis year in year out. A phenomenal about Africans taking other peoples culture is the wrong usage they put it. We call that in Yoruba (òlàjú òdì). They use it to oppresse and to marginalise others that do not share their views, which explain why we have not been able to achieve any meaningful development inspite of our rich endowment.

My advice therefore is, please preserve our cultures and make neccessary adjustment where due. Don't just import other peoples culture. If we want to import foreign cultures, we should stop buying into them blindly. That's to say, we should try to refine the good things in the foreign cultures and blend it with our indegenous ones for OUR common developments.

It is a fallacy to believe that the men are the custodians of our culture. You WOMEN are! So therefore, please WOMEN don't stop being custodian of OUR culture! E má gbàgbé wípé: Odò kìí sàn kí ò gbàgbé orísun rè, odò tí ó bá sàn gbàgbé orísun rè, gbígbe ni a gbe.

E kú odún, e kú ìyèdún o!

na2day?:

once again u are wrong dear, recycle bin is what u find on ur computer

I see denial is not just a river in Egypt!!

okooyinbo:

A very intelligent observation! Anyway, selective usage of culture is common place all over the world. And besides, globally, it is actually the females that are custodian of culture and not the male as one would like to think. Now, if female Africans begins to advocate the jettisoning of our cultures; then i am afraid the future of Africa is very gloomy!

That said: The western culture that "some" people would like to whole heartedly import, is itself not free of faults. Actually, there is nothing wrong in learning from other cultures as the Yoruba people knew a long time ago (Awon agbalagba ni: ogbon ologbon kii je a pe agba ni were). The optimal way would therefore be to imbibe the good things of other peoples culture into the local culture like the Japanese successfully did and as many Asians are doing. Christianity and Islam was preached in China, Japan etc. However, you'll never find that these people try to be more Christians than the oyinbos. They are actually not so xtianised nor islamised and they are advance countries in term of economic and cultural development. Even the elightened Westerners that have become disillusioned by the purported foundation of their culture are turning to "Eastern Philosophy and Religion". Now, the Africans tale is different! The Africans would love to think that he / she is more christian than the Oyinbos. Yet, Africa remain the most backward continent despite having churches and mosques in every nooks and crannies and the deafening prayers and isojis year in year out. A phenomenal about Africans taking other peoples culture is the wrong usage they put it. We call that in Yoruba (òlàjú òdì). They use it to oppresse and to marginalise others that do not share their views, which explain why we have not been able to achieve any meaningful development inspite of our rich endowment.

[b]My advice therefore is, please preserve our cultures and make neccessary adjustment where due. Don't just import other peoples culture. If we want to import foreign cultures, we should stop buying into them blindly. That's to say, we should try to refine the good things in the foreign cultures and blend it with our indegenous ones for OUR common developments.

It is a fallacy to believe that the men are the custodians of our culture. You WOMEN are! So therefore, please WOMEN don't stop being custodian of OUR culture! E má gbàgbé wípé: Odò kìí sàn kí ò gbàgbé orísun rè, odò tí ó bá sàn gbàgbé orísun rè, gbígbe ni a gbe.

Hopefully, some of your African brothers who are stilled imbibed in their cavemen mentality who would rather a woman be seen and not heard, will take this advice to heart.

The fact that a woman does not want to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen does not make a less of an African woman!

The fact that a woman think she deserves the same kinda of respect awarded to her male counterpart does not mean she's lost her way.

E kú odún, e kú ìyèdún o!

Ati eyin naa ooh!

Sisi Jinx:

I see denial is not just a river in Egypt!!

ever heard of the term "global village"?

Sisi Jinx:

Hopefully, some of your African brothers who are stilled imbibed in their cavemen mentality who would rather a woman be seen and not heard, will take this advice to heart.

The fact that a woman does not want to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen does not make a less of an African woman!

The fact that a woman think she deserves the same kind of of respect awarded to her male counterpart does not mean she's lost her way.

why am i not surprised that u missed the part where it says women are the custodian of culture, which implies that most things that happen to women in the name of culture or "how society works" are mainly transferred by women from one generation to another. what am i saying, since when will a modern day nigeria girl take responsibility, like never

Hehehehe. . . . I guess I've been infected with the global denial going on here.

Drats! I blame you!

If we are truly the custodian of the culture, we won't be having this discussion, now would we?

Sisi Jinx:

Hehehehe. . . . I guess I've been infected with the global denial going on here.

Drats! I blame you!

If we are truly the custodian of the culture, we won't be having this discussion, now would we?

how very convenient, blame the black guy, it wont be the first too

na2day?:

how very convenient, blame the black guy, it wont be the first too 

Awww, I hurt your liwwle feewings? I sowwy

Now give us a smile! Awww, soooo cute!!

<sub>Jeez, men. . . so sensitive.

Must be that time of the month.</sub>  


You didn't answer. . . if women are the true custodian of our culture, would we be having this discussion? Hmmm?

Sisi Jinx:

Awww, I hurt your liwwle feewings? I sowwy

Now give us a smile! Awww, soooo cute!!

<sub>Jeez, men. . . so sensitive.

Must be that time of the month.</sub>  


You didn't answer. . . if women are the true custodian of our culture, would we be having this discussion? Hmmm?

bcuz they are thats why we are having this discussion. when a woman's husband dies in the old igboland, who are the first to insist that the wife drinks the water used to wash the corpse? u don't know? i will tell u, the other women that are inlaws or friends of the husband's family. there are many more from where that came from 



[size=4pt]by the way, thanks for the pet on the head, it felt good[/size]

I have to agree with the original poster, African men  tend to champion their culture because it usually serves their interests and/or encourages women to view a mans happiness/interest as paramount, even to the detriment of herself or fellow women.

Its human, thats what humans do, hold on to every once of power/influence they can and talk the oppressed into upholding  it too.

You see similarities in the mentality of most  systematically oppressed people in fact.

na2day?:

bcuz they are thats why we are having this discussion. when a woman's husband dies in the old igboland, who are the first to insist that the wife drinks the water used to wash the corpse? u don't know? i will tell u, the other women that are inlaws or friends of the husband's family. there are many more from where that came from 

Just because the women execute these dastardly deeds does not mean they are truly in charge. Pray tell what you think would happen if the decide not to do it? The men get all up in arms about it of course, ranting and raving about how the women are trying to do away with the culture because of enlightenment.

Another thing, why is it the woman who has to drink the bath water of her dead husband's corpse? Hmmm [img]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/23.gif

Ya getting the picture now?

[size=4pt]by the way, thanks for the pet on the head, it felt good[/size]

[size=4pt]Rotflmao! Okay far be it of me to deprive you of pets on the head, so here's another and another , oh I'll just go ahead and bury you in 'em .

Happy. . . Pappi? [/size]

Sisi Jinx:

[size=4pt]Rotflmao! Okay far be it of me to deprive you of pets on the head, so here's another and another , oh I'll just go ahead and bury you in 'em .

Happy. . . Pappi? [/size]

God forbid i deny u ur right to transfer violence to the next generation in the name of culture    notice how it was solely a female thing [size=4pt]****nothing do u oooo****[/size]

Sisi Jinx:

Another thing, why is it the woman who has to drink the bath water of her dead husband's corpse? Hmmm [img]http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/23.gif

Ya getting the picture now?

ask ur fellow women. why is it that it has to be the man to die for this tradition to take place?

na2day?:

God forbid i deny u ur right to transfer violence to the next generation in the name of culture    notice how it was solely a female thing [size=4pt]****nothing do u oooo****[/size]

[size=4pt]Nothing do me before now, no thanks to you naija men and your yeye stickler for stupid culture[/size]

na2day?:

ask ur fellow women. why is it that it has to be the man to die for this tradition to take place? 

Ayiiiiin?

Abeg, if the men don't die, whose corpse water will the women be force to drink?


My Point is - Why don't men drink the bath water of their dead wives??!!  Why??!

If they did, I bet the tradition will be long gone by now!!

It makes them feel important to have women subjected to this depravity just for their sake and they feel even more so because they have gotten other women to do the execution.

Unfortunately, they fail to see that all these things they do to make themselves feel important only shows how insecure they are. 

men dont force men to do nothing, women force women to do stuff. why is it common practice to find that most feud in families are from mother-inlaws to their sons wives. and the attack she will receive the most will come from his sisters and aunts like they will never marry themselves. abeg u cant win this one oooo

Sisi Jinx:



[size=4pt]Nothing do me before now, no thanks to you naija men and your yeye stickler for stupid culture[/size]

Ayiiiiin?

Abeg, if the men don't die, whose corpse water will the women be force to drink?


My Point is - Why don't men drink the bath water of their dead wives??!!  Why??!

If they did, I bet the tradition will be long gone by now!!

It makes them feel important to have women subjected to this depravity just for their sake and they feel even more so because they have gotten other women to do the execution.

Unfortunately, they fail to see that all these things they do to make themselves feel important only shows how insecure they are. 

na2day?:

men don't force men to do nothing, women force women to do stuff. why is it common practice to find that most feud in families are from mother-inlaws to their sons wives. and the attack she will receive the most will come from his sisters and aunts like they will never marry themselves. abeg u can't win this one oooo

Okay, I'll give you that but it isn't culture, it's just petty jealousy!!

I am so winning this. . . how can you doubt that??!!

thats ur pathetic excuse? jealousy? wow! i surely haven't heard it all then

Sisi Jinx:

Okay, I'll give you that but it isn't culture, it's just petty jealousy!!

I am so winning this. . . how can you doubt that??!!

na2day?:

thats ur pathetic excuse? jealousy? wow! i surely haven't heard it all then

Miracle ooooo, for once she is speechless, i am so proud of my achievement on behave of all men, we accept ur surrender

Sisi Jinx:

NO such thing as african culture.

Rotflmao! So that's how you work, eh? Claiming you left a girl speechless by confusing her with triple and off speak. I got your number, Mr. Man. . . I got your number. (8

Let me reteriate my point - Mother in laws fighting with their daughter in laws is not tradition/Culture. It's an individual thing.

Women being forced to drink their dead husband's bath water for assurance is part of the culture that caters to the men's egos.

Ka gani?

Sisi Jinx:

Rotflmao! So that's how you work, eh? Claiming you left a girl speechless by confusing her with triple and off speak. I got your number, Mr. Man. . .  I got your number. (8

i see u r back for round 2; i must say that was a quick recovery but i am not sure u have my number, just to be sure, write it down, zero zero zero, nine nut nine, four one nine 

Let me reteriate my point - Mother in laws fighting with their daughter in laws is not tradition/Culture. It's an individual thing.

Women being forced to drink their dead husband's bath water for assurance is part of the culture that caters to the men's egos.

Ka gani?

i see u pick and choose ur battles, one smart move my friend except that it is still the same field 

sisi da na2day, menene ina faru? this total comm between ku biu is aure ne?

*Hauwa*:

sisi  da na2day, menene ina faru? this total comm between ku biu is  aure ne?

ay  [size=4pt]_{i get right to have up to 4 wives na, there is room for u too hauwa}[/size]

The same field? How do you want it??! They are not even the same game!!

See, this is why guys will never understand. I mean how can you compare the two?

Honestly!!

Hauwa, kin san abin ban sani ba. . . Na2day ya na da Kudi? Ah, to muyi aure gobe! A'a. . . . mu yi aure yanzu yanzu!


Lmao!

Nah, Ina son bude idon shi.

@ na2day
Mata nawa ka na da, yanzu?

Sisi Jinx:

The same field? How do you want it??! They are not even the same game!!

See, this is why guys will never understand. I mean how can you compare the two?

Honestly!!

we have a right to remain ignorant to whatever ur point is, anything we say could and would be used against us in the period of marriage

Sisi Jinx:

Hauwa, kin san abin ban sani ba. . . Na2day ya na da Kudi? Ah, to muyi aure gobe! A'a. . . . mu yi aure yanzu yanzu!


Lmao!

Nah, Ina son bude idon shi.

@ na2day
Mata nawa ka na da, yanzu?

i suddenly forgot all the small hausa i knew i wonder why