ishmael:

Baba did military engineering. Is he a member of COREN and NSE?? What kind of engineering work do dey do in the army sef; is it vehicle and gun repairs and maintenance??

COREN did not register baba because his highest qualification is HND.
In 1976 when he became Head of state some people try but, he was turned,
In 1999 when he became President of Nigeria ,COREN huriedly prepare his CERIFICATE No R0929 as his reistration number back dated to 1976.
In August 1999 NSE quickly gave him Fellow of Nigerian society of Engineers (the then PDP chairman Engr Gemade was at work.)
So COREN gave him MERIT award in 4th Nov 2002

So where did Baba get his HND from? ?

Yaba was the first known higher school in Nigeria. It must be from Yaba,

Poly Students Demonstrate Certificate Inequality

From Donald Andoor in Abuja, 01.19.2006 Reporting for thisday newspaper
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Polytechnic Students all over the country staged a peaceful demonstration at gate of the National Assembly to protest the discrimination of polytechnic graduates in favour of those of the universities.
The students numbering about 200 also demanded that the government should immediately take steps to address the issue of allowing polytechnics to award Bachelor of Technology degrees as well as the issue of job progression.
Bearing placards of different inscriptions some of which read "farewell to certificate inequality," "Thanks to NPC (National Polytechnic Commission), HND certificate now have a say," and many others, the students who came from different polytechnics across the country urged the National Assembly to intervene by expediting action on the bill to bridge the certificate dichotomy that is before the two chambers of the National Assembly.
Speaker of the House of Representatives, Alhaji Bello Masari, Deputy Speaker, Austine Opara and the Chairman, House Committee on Education, Dr. Ahmed Lawan who met with the students commended them for the peaceful way they have expressed their grievances, promising the House was concerned about bridging the dichotomy and giving polytechnic graduates a sense of belonging.

He explained that already the bill to give a legal frame work of bridging the dichotomy has undergone several legislative process and was at the stage of being passed and assured that it would soon be sent to the president for his accent.
The students however could not meet with the Senate President, Senator Ken Nnamani as they were told by his aides to seek for a proper

When did this one happen?? That means polytechnic students have started coming up. The next peaceful demonstration should include polytechnic students, polytechnic lecturers and parents and guardian of polytechnic students plus graduates of polytechnics. NASS should better hasten up the bill jo.

Polytechnic heads fight for HND holders
By OYIN OSAWE
Monday, September 25, 2006

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2006/sept/25/national-25-09-2006-06.htm

The Council of Heads of Polytechnics and Colleges of Technology(COHEADS) rising from its 105th meeting held recently at the Lagos State Polytechnic, Ikorodu, Lagos has called on the National Assembly to hasten consideration on the bill addressing the parity between B.Sc and HND holders in terms of employment and remuneration.

In a communiqué signed by Dr. J.E.O.Ovri,, Rector, Delta State Polytechnic, Ogwashi-Ukwu, Delta State, the body also noted that the accreditation of a new course, Mechatronics by the National Board for Technical Education(NBTE) was a welcome development but cautioned about the availability of employment opportunities for products of the programme.

The body, reiterating the need for the 70:30 ratio for Science, Engineering and Arts in programme offering at their institutions to be achieved, said the teaching of science must be encouraged from the primary schools. “This will enable adequate cropping of students for TVE programmes in tertiary institutions.
Noting the gross inadequacy of university graduates who are the main raw materials for the polytechnics as academic staff, the body resolved that the National University Commission should be more critical in the accreditation of their programmes especially in Science and Technology.

Declaring open the event which held from September 19th to 22nd, Governor Bola Ahmed Tinubu,urged the COHEADS to take more seriously the policy guiding their institutions about admissions of more technology oriented students than management oriented students.

Giving the admonition on behalf of his boss, Prof. Tunde Samuel, Special Adviser to the Lagos State government, said the meeting of the COHEADS should be used as a platform to fashion out an enduring solution to the myriad of problems confronting the technology education sector, and also to put the nation on the path of irreversible development.

On his own part, the Executive Secretary, NBTE, Engineer Dr. Nuru A. Yakubu, who was represented by a director at the organization, Chief A. Oni said, the board sees the COHEADS as an indispensable partner in the continuously challenging efforts at building a successful and formidable polytechnic system in the country.Thus, the effective and efficient management of polytechnics is a cooperative responsibility involving NBTE as the regulatory agency and the management of the polytechnics as managers.

NO be today

E don tey sha; no be lie.

donmayor:

NO be today

ishmael:

E don tey sha; no be lie.

What? wetin don tey, let us know o

the law does not work in Nigeria and policies die as a government dies. That bill can't solve anything.

donmayor:

the law does not work in Nigeria and policies die as a government dies. That bill can't solve anything.

Yes, but let them pass it. It will solve the problem to some extent.

What made it to that point will sustain it. For your information no GOOD material slept with only HND. We have degrees as well.
Government only solution is to close the leprous Polytechnics or make it relevant.  Gone are the days you have mesangers HND holders are now up the step.

Take this true story as example of what we HND holders are going through:
http://nigeriaworld.com/columnist/oyeyemi/011303.html

"On May 15,2002, Mr. Okeke who was the Head of Administration of the ACSC was appointed as its Acting Secretary. The acting appointment took effect on May 28. He was supposed to be confirmed after six months as the substantive Secretary. Rather than being confirmed, he was returned to the old position where he has served meritoriously for ten years. During that ten years, one of the officers he supervised was Mr. Hassan Ahmed who was an Assistant Director (Administration) in the Kwali Area Council of the FCT.

Mr. Okeke has not only supervised Mr. Ahmed for the previous ten years, at least three times he (Okeke) has been on the panel that interviewed and promoted Mr. Ahmed. Mr. Okeke has a University degree. Mr. Ahmed has HND, which according to the Civil Service Rules could not go, beyond Grade Level 14. Now he (Ahmed) has been promoted over and above his boss (Okeke) of more than ten years as the substantive secretary of the ACSC without even the benefit of the Acting capacity that Mr. Okeke had".
Never again will this happen.

what you posted has nothing to do with HND or BSC it's all Hausa-Fulani connections how can someone under you for 10 years suddenly be your boss without you retiring? only in Naija

HND can not head a degree holder in public service, that is the point of our topic as he can not go beyond level 14 because of his HND so after 10 year the degree holder that can go beyong that shuold have be OGA now.

Okay I understand where you are coming from and i agree that if you have a hnd and you are good then you should be able to rise above level 14. but this article you gave is saying another different thing, the author is angry because okeke was not promoted and he was not retired instead his subordinate was promoted over him, if thats not injustice then what else is?

Thats naija for u oo.

That now clear us because of HND he was not promoted, several cases we are looking at now where  level 14 hnd holders are made to report to level 8 Degree holders what an example of
"HND Certificate Embarrassment"   
That is why we are talking that CLOSE down the polytechnics or make them relevant.

Let polytechincs be closed down permanently and polytechnic system of education abolished completely. What does Nigeria need polytechnics for when all emphasis is on university education??

Polytechnics should be privatised .As long as govt is involved in its running it won't be seen as relevant to the society.The head of Nigeria is a product of one and he has not to me been a good head .

No Nigerian leader has ever been praised. I love the present one he is a GOOD leader. Polytechnic apart
Is Abacha HND holder?

Is Abacha university holder?

una funny o. ABACHA went to military academy, so nothing concern am with polytechnic or university. Dats why him no send Lectures and their strike; e go just sack you.

I want someone to let me know a university degree holder who got to the post of NIgerian President

Hnd-holder:

I want someone to let me know a university degree holder who got to the post of NIgerian President

Bros, none for now. Except if Pat Utomi or Chris Okotie wins 2007 elections.

When are all polytechnic graduates and students move to Abuja to see the senate president? Or when are they passing the bill on HND discrimination?? It's taking too long oo; hope nothing is fishing??

donmayor:

Polytechnics should be privatised .As long as govt is involved in its running it won't be seen as relevant to the society.The head of Nigeria is a product of one and he has not to me been a good head .

It is the University system that is now been privatized, yet not a single leader a university degree holder has ever head the country well may be shonekan for how many days self? no basis. Technologist Olusegun Obasanjo FNITE go on we appreciate the little change at least GSM is now working.

HND-holder you are very funny.

Yes it is so funny that people eat food planted and process by hnd holders, they live in houses constructed never by degree holders and yet they hate HND holders it is so funny. We will not allow them too to rest.

Hnd-holder:


It is the University system that is now been privatized, yet not a single leader a university degree holder has ever head the country well may be shonekan for how many days self? no basis. Technologist Olusegun Obasanjo FNITE go on we appreciate the little change at least GSM is now working.

And I guess to you he is doing a great job of managing our oil billions?

Tell me anybody that got there and never swim in billions? Not because he own HND but he is human not a saint. You can start another topic on him. All I know is that this is first time ever that President and his vice will fight corruption to their own door steps.  OBJ has done his own we awaiting you as a saint to rule this country.

The issue is the mass rejection we HND holders face. Regards

HND holders should be allowed to compete favorably with even people with masters degree, that is what we want.

zebra:

HND holders should be allowed to compete favorably with even people with masters degree, that is what we want.

They would compete favorably in ur dreams