truthman2012:


What nonsense are you saying here? Can't you read and understand?

Allah says Muhammad and muslims should keep away and not approach women under menstruation. Muhammad didn't keep away and not only approaching, he was even f.ondling a menstruating woman. Is that not an outright breach of allahh's command? Is that not disgusting? Allah said menstruation is a pollution, why should a supposed prophet touch it, especially when fasting? Who is allahh that condones all kinds of immoralities?

Muslims are shameless and allahh has tampered with their reasoning faculty as he did to Muhammad, tampering with his brain so that he could forget mistaken revelations he had already revealed. Islam is a fraudulent religion where the god claims to have made contant mistakes and corrected himself many times. Smh!

Lmao! Is this the best you could come up with? Do you know what keep away meant? You are just so silly! I have warned you that plonkers can not interpret the Quran however they please, Heck, if God forbids such acts, then why are modern scholars encouraging such things?how can you think God wants you to completely keep away from your wife? You can kiss, and hug, and handle her as much as you want, you can ask any scholar you want, like I said, the only thing forbidden is actual sex, don't go around making yourself look like an idiot.

@truthman2012(m): 4:24pm On Apr 24

RoyPCain:
i will give you a link of the latter day saints in salt lake city utah and see how you like it as what christianity stands for. i am preparing for jumu'ah and i don't have your time until after it.


So, no explanation on allahh's contradicting himself by saying Muhammad shouldn't marry a married woman and still enjoining him to marry Zynab who was already married to his adopted son? allahh is satan indeed. Keep worshiping allahh, satan in disguise and by the time you die, you will find yourself in hell with allahh himself. I pity you.

so this is your problem that couldn't get your mind wrapped around it that your thinking can understand a 'once before married, is an ex of the spouse there is no longer married to.' such a person if a woman, she is single and not currently maaried in any and all cultures and laws of community, until she is married, again to same man or some new man.

Zaynab bint Johsh [RA] was already divorced from Zayd who is actually bin Haritha [RA] and the event of the 2nd marriage of his ex wife made it clear that he was not truly bin Muhammad [SA] as baby Ibrahim or young boy Kassim was bin Muhammad [SA] in the same way Fatimah was binta Muhammad [SA].

haven't you heard 'i am treating him the way or better than i am treating a child born by me'? such a child does not have the public declaration of adoption which may be the only difference between the 'public declaration' since both are treated likr son from the loin.

a father knows his real son. and it is not the same as adopted son, anywhere in the world.

a woman you didn't sleep with but the child for her legal husband you adopt, said child will never have your blood and if he resembles his father, he will look like the other guy not you.

it is Mercy of Allah that He rids you of fake notion of fatherhood you created for yourself.

truthman2012:
RoyPCain

You continue to avoid my question. If you can't answer it, drop islam and embrace Christ.

[Quran 4:24 YusufAli]
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Allah said married women are forbidden to Muhammad to marry. Why did he again enjoin him to marry already married Zynab, the wife of his adopted son?

It was after allahh has spoken that divorcement was quickly arranged between Zaid and Zynab, meaning Zaid was forced to divorce her for Muhammad to marry. If not so, give a brief account of what happened with islamic EVIDENCE(S), and with PARTICULAR INTEREST in what caused Zaid to divorce his wife, Zynab.

Cc: EzioAuditore

Smh! Do you know who married Zaynab to Zayd in the first place? It was Muhammad (pbuh) who orchestrated the marriage, zaynab was from a powerful family, this was done in other to raise the status of slaves(Zayd was a slave that was adopted by Muhammad) in Arabia, but after the marriage, it was clear that zaynab felt superior to Zayd, and eventually they separated. That's when Muhammad got married to her, now tell me, are you saying it's forbidden to Marty divorcees? Because most of Muhammads wives were divorcees who couldn't fend for themselves, or are you saying Muhammad showed interest in her while she was married to Zayd? That's a blatant lie!

Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

Go and tell whoever is feeding you these lies to try harder.

EzioAuditore:


Smh! Do you know who married Zaynab to Zayd in the first place? It was Muhammad (pbuh) who orchestrated the marriage, zaynab was from a powerful family, this was done in other to raise the status of slaves(Zayd was a slave that was adopted by Muhammad) in Arabia, but after the marriage, it was clear that zaynab felt superior to Zayd, and eventually they separated. That's when Muhammad got married to her, now tell me, are you saying it's forbidden to Marty divorcees? Because most of Muhammads wives were divorcees who couldn't fend for themselves, or are you saying Muhammad showed interest in her while she was married to Zayd? That's a blatant lie!

Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

Go and tell whoever is feeding you these lies to try harder.

So, Zaid divorced Zynab because she was feeling superior to her husband. Where is your proof?

Didn't she know Zaid was a slave before she married him?

Was Zaid still a slave after Muhammad had adopted him? Then why the superior feeling of his wife?

Answer the three questions one by one.

"e author=RoyPCain post=33090682]@truthman2012(m): 4:24pm On Apr 24

so this is your problem that couldn't get your mind wrapped around it that your thinking can understand a 'once before married, is an ex of the spouse there is no longer married to.' such a person if a woman, she is single and not currently maaried in any and all cultures and laws of community, until she is married, again to same man or some new man.

Zaynab bint Johsh [RA] was already divorced from Zayd who is actually bin Haritha [RA] and the event of the 2nd marriage of his ex wife made it clear that he was not truly bin Muhammad [SA] as baby Ibrahim or young boy Kassim was bin Muhammad [SA] in the same way Fatimah was binta Muhammad [SA].

haven't you heard 'i am treating him the way or better than i am treating a child born by me'? such a child does not have the public declaration of adoption which may be the only difference between the 'public declaration' since both are treated likr son from the loin.

a father knows his real son. and it is not the same as adopted son, anywhere in the world.

a woman you didn't sleep with but the child for her legal husband you adopt, said child will never have your blood and if he resembles his father, he will look like the other guy not you.

it is Mercy of Allah that He rids you of fake notion of fatherhood you created for yourself.[/quote]"

How does your rigmarole answer the question. Nobody enjoys your writing please.

truthman2012:


So, Zaid divorced Zynab because she was feeling superior to her husband. Where is your proof?

Didn't she know Zaid was a slave before she married him?

Was Zaid still a slave after Muhammad had adopted him? Then why the superior feeling of his wife?

Answer the three questions one by one.

1- Zaynab came from a powerful family and Zayd was an adopted slave, in Islam, adopted sons don't even have a share in their adopted fathers inheritance.

2-She did, but the prophet recommended the marriage, how could she reject, but after the marriage, it became apparent, Zayd asked told Muhammad and asked to divorce her, Muhammad told him not to, but eventually it was too much and the marriage ended in divorce.

3- an adopted so. Can't even have his adopted fathers name, that's stealing his true identity, he doesn't have a share in his fathers inheritance, the perk here is that you're not a slave anymore and your adopted father has to take on all the responsibilities of a father.

EzioAuditore:



Lmao! Is this the best you could come up with? Do you know what keep away meant? You are just so silly! I have warned you that plonkers can not interpret the Quran however they please, Heck, if God forbids such acts, then why are modern scholars encouraging such things?how can you think God wants you to completely keep away from your wife? You can kiss, and hug, and handle her as much as you want, you can ask any scholar you want, like I said, the only thing forbidden is actual sex, don't go around making yourself look like an idiot.

What does 'keep away' and do 'not approach' mean in this context? Explain the words in capital.

They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a POLLUTION: SO KEEP AWAY FROM WOMEN IN THEIR COURE AND DO NOT APPROACH THEM UNTIL THEY ARE CLEAN. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
(Qur'an 2:222)

Waiting.

truthman2012:


What does 'keep away' and do 'not approach' mean in this context? Explain the words in capital.

They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a POLLUTION: SO KEEP AWAY FROM WOMEN IN THEIR COURE AND DO NOT APPROACH THEM UNTIL THEY ARE CLEAN. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
(Qur'an 2:222)

Waiting.

What makes you think you're better qualified than everyone to interpret the Quran? I'm telling you this is what it means and you're arguing that it doesn't? Lol! See unlike the fake bible you parade around, this is actually the book of God, you can't just translate and interpret it however you want, anyways, read....


Thabit narrated it from Anas: "Among the Jews, when a woman menstruated, they did not dine with her, nor did they live with them in their houses; so the Companions of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked The Apostle (may peace be upon him), and Allah, the Exalted revealed:" And they ask you about menstruation; say it is a pollution, so keep away from woman during menstruation" to the end (Qur'an, ii. 222). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do everything except intercourse. The Jews heard of that and said: This man does not want to leave anything we do without opposing us in it. Usaid b. Hudair and Abbad b. Bishr came and said: Messenger of Allah, the Jews say such and such thing. We should not have, therefore, any contact with them (as the Jews do). The face of the Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) underwent such a change that we thought he was angry with them, but when they went out, they happened to receive a gift of milk which was sent to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him). He (the Holy Prophet) called for them and gave them drink, whereby they knew that he was not angry with them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0592)"


How about you digest this from your "holy" bible! Friggin jokers!


And if a woman have an issue (her period/menses), [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness. (From the King James Version Bible, Leviticus 15:19-30)"


How can you treat your women this way?

EzioAuditore:


What makes you think you're better qualified than everyone to interpret the Quran? I'm telling you this is what it means and you're arguing that it doesn't? Lol! See unlike the fake bible you parade around, this is actually the book of God, you can't just translate and interpret it however you want, anyways, read....


Thabit narrated it from Anas: "Among the Jews, when a woman menstruated, they did not dine with her, nor did they live with them in their houses; so the Companions of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked The Apostle (may peace be upon him), and Allah, the Exalted revealed:" And they ask you about menstruation; say it is a pollution, so keep away from woman during menstruation" to the end (Qur'an, ii. 222). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do everything except intercourse. The Jews heard of that and said: This man does not want to leave anything we do without opposing us in it. Usaid b. Hudair and Abbad b. Bishr came and said: Messenger of Allah, the Jews say such and such thing. We should not have, therefore, any contact with them (as the Jews do). The face of the Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) underwent such a change that we thought he was angry with them, but when they went out, they happened to receive a gift of milk which was sent to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him). He (the Holy Prophet) called for them and gave them drink, whereby they knew that he was not angry with them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0592)"


How about you digest this from your "holy" bible! Friggin jokers!


And if a woman have an issue (her period/menses), [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness. (From the King James Version Bible, Leviticus 15:19-30)"


How can you treat your women this way?

Readers must have discovered that islam is falsehood.

Allah says menstruation is a POLLUTION and Muhammad should KEEP AWAY and NOT APPROACH a menstruating woman UNTIL SHE IS CLEAN. Is this not clear enough? Why should a person with his/her senses intact interpret that otherwise. Muslims are like their god, liars.

When asked, what do you expect Muhammad to say? He was clearly violating allahh's command and you expect him to enjoin others to do otherwise? It is like asking a criminal to judge others, won't he support crimes?

No doubt, something is seriously wrong with muslims' brains. The more they read the quran, the less intelligent they become. I pity them.

EzioAuditore:



1- Zaynab came from a powerful family and Zayd was an adopted slave, in Islam, adopted sons don't even have a share in their adopted fathers inheritance.

2-She did, but the prophet recommended the marriage, how could she reject, but after the marriage, it became apparent, Zayd asked told Muhammad and asked to divorce her, Muhammad told him not to, but eventually it was too much and the marriage ended in divorce.

3- an adopted so. Can't even have his adopted fathers name, that's stealing his true identity, he doesn't have a share in his fathers inheritance, the perk here is that you're not a slave anymore and your adopted father has to take on all the responsibilities of a father.

The reasons you gave for Zaid divorcing Zynab have no authoritative backing. They are your own sentiments. Give a source that backs your assertions.

truthman2012:


The reasons you gave for Zaid divorcing Zynab have no authoritative backing. They are your own sentiments. Give a source that backs your assertions.

You have no point here mate! Did you not see the part where I told you about Zayd telling the prophet of his intention to divorce her? Here's a summary of the events, enough to satisfy everyone with a brain, but of course


Some of the Prophet's marriages were for legislative reasons and to abolish certain corrupt traditions. Such was his marriage to Zaynab, divorcee of the freed slave Zayd. Before Islam, the Arabs did not allow divorcees to remarry. Zayd was adopted by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and called his son as was the custom among the Arabs before Islam. But Islam abrogated this custom and disapproved of its practice. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the first man to express this disapproval in a practical way. So he married the divorcee of his "adopted" son to show that adoption does not really make the adopted child a real son of the adopting father and also to show that marriage is lawful for divorcees. Incidentally, this very Zaynab was Muhammad's cousin, and had been offered to him in marriage before she married Zayd. He refused her then, but after she was divorced he accepted her for the two legislative purposes: the lawful marriage of divorcees and the real status of adopted children. The story of this Zaynab has been associated in some minds with ridiculous fabrications regarding the moral integrity of Muhammad. These vicious fabrications are not even worth considering here (see Qur'an, 33: 36, 37, 40).

"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. (The Noble Quran, 33:4)"

truthman2012:


The reasons you gave for Zaid divorcing Zynab have no authoritative backing. They are your own sentiments. Give a source that backs your assertions.

You have no point here mate! Did you not see the part where I told you about Zayd telling the prophet of his intention to divorce her? Here's a summary of the events, enough to satisfy everyone with a brain, but of course


Some of the Prophet's marriages were for legislative reasons and to abolish certain corrupt traditions. Such was his marriage to Zaynab, divorcee of the freed slave Zayd. Before Islam, the Arabs did not allow divorcees to remarry. Zayd was adopted by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and called his son as was the custom among the Arabs before Islam. But Islam abrogated this custom and disapproved of its practice. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the first man to express this disapproval in a practical way. So he married the divorcee of his "adopted" son to show that adoption does not really make the adopted child a real son of the adopting father and also to show that marriage is lawful for divorcees. Incidentally, this very Zaynab was Muhammad's cousin, and had been offered to him in marriage before she married Zayd. He refused her then, but after she was divorced he accepted her for the two legislative purposes: the lawful marriage of divorcees and the real status of adopted children. The story of this Zaynab has been associated in some minds with ridiculous fabrications regarding the moral integrity of Muhammad. These vicious fabrications are not even worth considering here (see Qur'an, 33: 36, 37, 40).

"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. (The Noble Quran, 33:4)"

@truthman2012
@ true2god

true2god: 8:16am

truthman2012:


Your lie has been exposed. Where did you see hadith in my post on temporary marriage? I quoted the quran. If it were hadith, that is how you would have denied it.

Islam is full of confusions, a deliberate attempt by allahh to deceive mankind. You believe some hadiths are incorrect and still accept as correct writing by the same author. If Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Dawod etc are liars because their writings are fabrications, why do you believe the same liars when they write good things about Muhammad or islam?

I want to sincerely advise you to desist from falsehood and embrace Jesus Christ, the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE (John 14:6).

The muslims are bunch of confusionist. They will accept the hadith narrations that speak favourably about mohammed but will condemn hadiths that speaks about his indecencies and criminal behaviours. Thats is pure hypocrisy.

If the hadith cannot be fully trusted why are muslims still using it as a guide? If quran cannot be explained well without the hadith that means islam is a pure hoax as it had been for over 1400yrs. No wonder many Islamic terrorist are called 'misunderstanders of Islam'. Why wont they be when a verse of the quran will ask muslims to live in peace with christians and Jews while the next verses will ask muslims to kill Jews and enslave christians.

Islam is a truly mysterios religion to a sane mind and it belongs to the devil.

what lies are you talking about? you conjured muta/temporary marriage action of the preislamic [pagan] arabs to islam, just because some who will not bring their virgin women to do it are doing it, suddenly i lied, instead of you and those who practice it? i said from 4/24 and verses around it [both before and after] talking about marriage do not provide a scintilla of evidence for you temporary marriage. people with evil intention will find reason to fish out their desire from 'purewota', in the same way some accused the angel, the prophet [SA], the companions [RA] and abandoned the one they claim to support [RA], even his family [RA].


knowledge is when you read, you think about it and through analysis you come to a conclusion closer to the absolute truth than when you began.

the prophet [SA] said in his farewell group of sermon[s] that those present should relate it to those who were not and the later people may even have greater understand [there are more tools of reasoning now than before including many thinking about solution possibilities to a single problem].


as to temporary marriage, the hadith does not have basis in the Quran not only in the verse you are using to say its there, but other verses including those that prohibit hurting yourselves and castration which you are saying the prophet [sa] wished to avoid for muslims, he allowed temporary marriage. the prophet [SA] did not ever allow evil. there is no notion of the lesser of 2 evils in islam. what has evil in it has evil in it and thats that. if the majority of muslims are not doing it, it is because it is not permissible for just 1 to do it. i have used both Quran and Hadith to show that castration was not an option and those who had fought badr while fasting, huud the following year, khandar at the boundary of Madina the following year, khaibar the year after it, and before the opening of Makka in the 8th year of hijra, many expeditions were made without the prophet [SA] being part of any, the reason they are expeditions and in at least 1, muslims were lied to where the the people of 'safa' [the poors living in the mosque] were killed. They were scholars, spending tremendous amount of time with the prophet [SA]; bilal bin rabah, abu huraira, ibn mas'uud [ra to each] are some of the famous among them. at least 70 of them [RA] were killed in an ambush by the deceitful tribe. this event prompted a full month dua of qunnut in every salah.


i am wondering which battle was muta was legislated since you know so much about islam than us that are in worship in addition, we read Quran, listen to daus, attend halaqa of people of knowledge and we read Quran in arabic? there was no battle that the prophet [SA] participated in that they waiting long before the enemies showed up. there was an annual battle the Quraish didn't show up for the year before the truce was established which allowed for umrah to happen the year after the truce, establishing the manaset [method] of umrah. all of these happened before victory over Makka that was followed by victory over the tribes including the people of taif in the battle outside of makka just days after victory over makka.


this battle was the one the muslims [muhajirun and ansar and the newly reverted makkans] got the largest booty; to include women. The prophet [SA] did not distribute anything until almost a month, hoping that the people will return for their family and property which he was willing to give them if they embrace islam. no muslim had chance to think about sex in a situation they were hoping the people will not return with vigor to attach but with wounded ego that would make them realized that it is best for them as people to enter islam and gain back their people and property. few days after distributions of both property and people, the defeated returned to embrace islam. their people wer returned as they automatically enter islam with their husbands and what belonged to the newly pagan converts from the distributed wealth is what some did not return.

if you theorize that after distribution, and before the people came back and their family was returned that there was sex between slave and new owners, i would not argue it since i do not see anything wrong in it for that rules and regulations of that era. neither you nor i is certain that there was sex or not. i say if there was it was permissible and its not a biggie then and i dont have to struggle with it now.


but your statement was that there was a battle were there was a long stay at the battle field that the men [RA] petitioned if the could castrate themselves, in spite of being in war and hoping to return to wives back hope. i am certain that the prophet [SA] would not have given them an out of temporary marriage instead of telling them you can't mutilate yourselves, you are muslims who fast and patient in the time of difficulty and you have wives at home that you will return to anyways. the prophet was strict in upholding the laws of Allah so much that when he was asked by bin zaid bin harith [RA] to forgive a noble woman of Quraish who had done evil after entering islam, the prophet [SA] told him you want me to shun the hudud of Allah? after this, the muslims were called to which the prophet [SA] said 'even though my daughter Fatimah binta Muhammad [RA to her SA to the noble prophet] will never steal, if she were to have done so, i will not spare her of the command of Allah'. so i just dont know which battle the event of muta occurred. when you find it, let deal with it. but until then it didn't happen more than boko haraam finding justice from islam on what they do.

EzioAuditore:


You have no point here mate! Did you not see the part where I told you about Zayd telling the prophet of his intention to divorce her? Here's a summary of the events, enough to satisfy everyone with a brain, but of course


Some of the Prophet's marriages were for legislative reasons and to abolish certain corrupt traditions. Such was his marriage to Zaynab, divorcee of the freed slave Zayd. Before Islam, the Arabs did not allow divorcees to remarry. Zayd was adopted by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and called his son as was the custom among the Arabs before Islam. But Islam abrogated this custom and disapproved of its practice. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the first man to express this disapproval in a practical way. So he married the divorcee of his "adopted" son to show that adoption does not really make the adopted child a real son of the adopting father and also to show that marriage is lawful for divorcees. Incidentally, this very Zaynab was Muhammad's cousin, and had been offered to him in marriage before she married Zayd. He refused her then, but after she was divorced he accepted her for the two legislative purposes: the lawful marriage of divorcees and the real status of adopted children. The story of this Zaynab has been associated in some minds with ridiculous fabrications regarding the moral integrity of Muhammad. These vicious fabrications are not even worth considering here (see Qur'an, 33: 36, 37, 40).

"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. (The Noble Quran, 33:4)"

I have searched through your posts but couldn't find any hadith or quranic verse as evidence that Zaid divorced his wife because she was feeling superior to him. All I found is your own assertion.

Can you post your source here otherwise, your reason is nullified for want of evidence. Until then, the truth remains Zaid was forced to divorce Zynab so that Muhammad could marry her. A disgusting act.

Different muslims fabricate different lies about Muhammad's marriage with Zaynab, find them here:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/zaynab.htm

truthman2012:


I have searched through your posts but couldn't find any hadith or quranic verse as evidence that Zaid divorced his wife because she was feeling superior to him. All I found is your own assertion.

Can you post your source here otherwise, your reason is nullified for want of evidence. Until then, the truth remains Zaid was forced to divorce Zynab so that Muhammad could marry her. A disgusting act.

Different muslims fabricate different lies about Muhammad's marriage with Zaynab, find them here:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/zaynab.htm

Your post clearly even stated that Muhammad did not interfere, did it not? Then it brought some sort of bullsh*t hadiths and claims. Is this the best you Christians can come up with? Gibberish and a Hadith related by a well known liar? Smh!

Q. Is it true that the prophet (pbuh) had fallen in love with Zainab due to her beauty?
A. If that were true it would not detract from the veracity of the prophet. Muslims admit that he was a human being. It is not unnatural for a man to fall in love. The fact that he is a prophet does not rob him of his natural human emotions. In fact it is true that he loved his wives.
However, it is not true that he fell in love with Zainab in the way that is claimed by some critics. They say that once the prophet visited Zaid, the husband of Zainab. Zaid was out at the time, and Zainab was combing her hair. The prophet was struck by her beauty and immediately left saying something to the effect that God changes the hearts of people. When Zaid learnt about this incident he offered the prophet that he would divorce Zainab in order that the prophet may marry her. Accordingly, he divorced her and the prophet married her.
Several things point to the lack of truth in this story. First, it is unlikely that the prophet (pbuh) was suddenly struck by Zainab's beauty. Zainab was his cousin. He had known her since childhood. Why would she suddenly appear striking after she was already married to another?
Second, the prophet had arranged for her to get married to Zaid. If there was to be an attraction why did the prophet (pbuh) not encourage her to marry none but himself?
Third, the fact of the matter was that Zaid's marriage proved to be an unhappy one. Zaid was a former slave and as such was held in low esteem in the eyes of Zainab. He mentioned to the prophet that he intended to divorce his wife. But the prophet advised him to keep his wife and avoid divorce.
In the meantime, Zaid intended to divorce his wife, Allah intended to marry her to the prophet. Eventually Zaid could maintain his marriage no longer. He divorced Zainab and Allah declared in his Glorious Book that he has wedded her to the prophet after the proper waiting period was over.
This marriage served more than one purpose. First, the prophet was responsible for arranging Zainab's marriage to Zaid. In a sense, then, he was also indirectly responsible for the unhappiness she felt in her marriage. Her marriage to the prophet now provided her the honour she felt she deserved, and exonerated the prophet.
Second, Zaid had been adopted as the prophet's son. Eventually, however, the Qur'an prohibited the practice of changing the parental identity of adopted persons. Zaid, then, was to no longer be called "son of Muhammad" but rather "a close friend." The prophet's marriage to the divorced wife of Zaid was a practical demonstration that the adopted relationship was not equal to a real blood-relationship. A man cannot marry the divorced wife of his real son but he can marry the divorced wife of his adopted son.
The abolishment of the age-old practice was a positive improvement for the adopted persons. People outside of Islam still continue this practice for their own benefit. They adopt children and rob them of their real identify, making them believe they are real children of the household in which they grow up. When such children realize the truth they suffer much disappointment and grief. The adoptive process continues for the selfish gain of the adoptive parents.
But is it not true that children sometimes need adoptive parents? Yes. But they also need to preserve their real identify. This is what Islam ensures. It is the responsibility of the entire community to help children in need. They should be taken in and nurtured but not confused with one's own children.
The prophet's marriage to Zainab was a bold measure to forever engrave in the minds of his followers that as much as people would resist change, some changes are worth the effort. Adoptive children should no longer be robbed of their real identities.

truthman2012:
No doubt, something is seriously wrong with muslims' brains. The more they read the quran, the less intelligent they become. I pity them.

I agree with you. You shoud also understand that it is permissible to lie, in islam, in order to protect the honour of mohammed and islam.

Muslims have a unique sense of psychology and reasoning systems that are very strange, especially when it comes to the defense of mohammed. Remember, mohammed is a supposedly perfect man to muslims, so all his atrocities, genocide and adulterous lives must be positively presented before non-muslims.

Criticing mohammed, of any crime, is suicidal in any muslim country.

EzioAuditore:


Your post clearly even stated that Muhammad did not interfere, did it not? Then it brought some sort of bullsh*t hadiths and claims. Is this the best you Christians can come up with? Gibberish and a Hadith related by a well known liar? Smh!

Q. Is it true that the prophet (pbuh) had fallen in love with Zainab due to her beauty?
A. If that were true it would not detract from the veracity of the prophet. Muslims admit that he was a human being. It is not unnatural for a man to fall in love. The fact that he is a prophet does not rob him of his natural human emotions. In fact it is true that he loved his wives.
However, it is not true that he fell in love with Zainab in the way that is claimed by some critics. They say that once the prophet visited Zaid, the husband of Zainab. Zaid was out at the time, and Zainab was combing her hair. The prophet was struck by her beauty and immediately left saying something to the effect that God changes the hearts of people. When Zaid learnt about this incident he offered the prophet that he would divorce Zainab in order that the prophet may marry her. Accordingly, he divorced her and the prophet married her.
Several things point to the lack of truth in this story. First, it is unlikely that the prophet (pbuh) was suddenly struck by Zainab's beauty. Zainab was his cousin. He had known her since childhood. Why would she suddenly appear striking after she was already married to another?
Second, the prophet had arranged for her to get married to Zaid. If there was to be an attraction why did the prophet (pbuh) not encourage her to marry none but himself?
Third, the fact of the matter was that Zaid's marriage proved to be an unhappy one. Zaid was a former slave and as such was held in low esteem in the eyes of Zainab. He mentioned to the prophet that he intended to divorce his wife. But the prophet advised him to keep his wife and avoid divorce.
In the meantime, Zaid intended to divorce his wife, Allah intended to marry her to the prophet. Eventually Zaid could maintain his marriage no longer. He divorced Zainab and Allah declared in his Glorious Book that he has wedded her to the prophet after the proper waiting period was over.
This marriage served more than one purpose. First, the prophet was responsible for arranging Zainab's marriage to Zaid. In a sense, then, he was also indirectly responsible for the unhappiness she felt in her marriage. Her marriage to the prophet now provided her the honour she felt she deserved, and exonerated the prophet.
Second, Zaid had been adopted as the prophet's son. Eventually, however, the Qur'an prohibited the practice of changing the parental identity of adopted persons. Zaid, then, was to no longer be called "son of Muhammad" but rather "a close friend." The prophet's marriage to the divorced wife of Zaid was a practical demonstration that the adopted relationship was not equal to a real blood-relationship. A man cannot marry the divorced wife of his real son but he can marry the divorced wife of his adopted son.
The abolishment of the age-old practice was a positive improvement for the adopted persons. People outside of Islam still continue this practice for their own benefit. They adopt children and rob them of their real identify, making them believe they are real children of the household in which they grow up. When such children realize the truth they suffer much disappointment and grief. The adoptive process continues for the selfish gain of the adoptive parents.
But is it not true that children sometimes need adoptive parents? Yes. But they also need to preserve their real identify. This is what Islam ensures. It is the responsibility of the entire community to help children in need. They should be taken in and nurtured but not confused with one's own children.
The prophet's marriage to Zainab was a bold measure to forever engrave in the minds of his followers that as much as people would resist change, some changes are worth the effort. Adoptive children should no longer be robbed of their real identities.

Nothing in this your long essay tells us that Zaid divorced his wife because she was feeling superior.

''The fact of the matter is Zaid marriage with Zaynab proved to be unhappy one'' says WHO?

All your statements are false fabrications. Different muslims formulate different things to justify Muhammad's shameful and lustful marriage with his daughter inlaw. No authoritative source to back up their claims.

Was Muhammad like unto Moses? Never! Moses was not a lustful and adulterious prophet who was sleeping around with women, slaves, little girl and even his daughter in-law. Shameless.

truthman2012:


Nothing in this your long essay tells us that Zaid divorced his wife because she was feeling superior.

''The fact of the matter is Zaid marriage with Zaynab proved to be unhappy one'' says WHO?

All your statements are false fabrications. Different muslims formulate different things to justify Muhammad's shameful and lustful marriage with his daughter inlaw. No authoritative source to back up their claims.

Was Muhammad like unto Moses? Never! Moses was not a lustful and adulterious prophet who was sleeping around with women, slaves, little girl and even his daughter in-law. Shameless.

Alright mate! Whatever floats your boat, whatever you tell yourself to justify worshipping your pagan god. Why else are you abandoning your bible? Lol! I don't really expect you to understand,

2:171 (Y. Ali) The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.


6:39 (Y. Ali) Those who reject our Signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.



2:18 (Y. Ali) Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

EzioAuditore:


Alright mate! Whatever floats your boat, whatever you tell yourself to justify worshipping your pagan god. Why else are you abandoning your bible? Lol! I don't really expect you to understand,

2:171 (Y. Ali) The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.


6:39 (Y. Ali) Those who reject our Signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.

2:18 (Y. Ali) Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

What is the relevance of this?

Your justification of Muhammad marrying his daughter in-law has been flawed.

Why did you quote the quran for me? Quran has no credibility because it was revealed by a lying spirit who pretended to be the true God.

truthman2012:


What is the relevance of this?

Your justification of Muhammad marrying his daughter in-law has been flawed.

Why did you quote the quran for me? Quran has no credibility because it was revealed by a lying spirit who pretended to be the true God.

This is his cousin, a woman he grew up with, a woman that was offered to him but he refused, this is a wedding that he arranged between her and his adopted son, this is the same woman his adopted son wanted to divorce but the prophet stopped him at first!and you think he needed to sabotage them just so he can marry her? Lol! Like the Quran says, deaf dumb and blind!

EzioAuditore:


This is his cousin, a woman he grew up with, a woman that was offered to him but he refused, this is a wedding that he arranged between her and his adopted son, this is the same woman his adopted son wanted to divorce but the prophet stopped him at first!and you think he needed to sabotage them just so he can marry her? Lol! Like the Quran says, deaf dumb and blind!

Although Zainab was Muhammad cousin but you have forgotten that since she became of age, he had no opportunity of seeing her unclothed.

You also do not notice that Muhammad's sex life was normal until he came in contact with Jubril, who falsely claimed to be an angel of God.

One thing is clear here: many of what you say are hearsay as they lack athoritative backing.

true2god:
I agree with you. You shoud also understand that it is permissible to lie, in islam, in order to protect the honour of mohammed and islam.

Muslims have a unique sense of psychology and reasoning systems that are very strange, especially when it comes to the defense of mohammed. Remember, mohammed is a supposedly perfect man to muslims, so all his atrocities, genocide and adulterous lives must be positively presented before non-muslims.

Criticing mohammed, of any crime, is suicidal in any muslim country.

You are right my brother.

truthman2012:


Although Zainab was Muhammad cousin but you have forgotten that since she became of age, he had no opportunity of seeing her unclothed.

You also do not notice that Muhammad's sex life was normal until he came in contact with Jubril, who falsely claimed to be an angel of God.

One thing is clear here: many of what you say are hearsay as they lack athoritative backing.

Lmao! And you believe that crap? If you're looking at a religion, are you going to critique what they believe or are you going to believe what a well known liar and saboteur said? You do know the fella in question developed a reputation of being a liar and hypocite ? Every hadith of his is invalid and contradicts the genereal opinion. What authoritative backing do you need? Consult any muslim scholar as to what happened, when I say things about the bible, don't I provide proof from christian sources? Stop following other peoples opinions blindly, look at both sources from a neutral perspective, see what makes more sense, that's what I always advise you christians to do, nothing more.

EzioAuditore:


Lmao! And you believe that crap? If you're looking at a religion, are you going to critique what they believe or are you going to believe what a well known liar and saboteur said? You do know the fella in question developed a reputation of being a liar and hypocite ? Every hadith of his is invalid and contradicts the genereal opinion. What authoritative backing do you need? Consult any muslim scholar as to what happened, when I say things about the bible, don't I provide proof from christian sources? Stop following other peoples opinions blindly, look at both sources from a neutral perspective, see what makes more sense, that's what I always advise you christians to do, nothing more.

You said when you say things about the bible, you do provide evidence. Why can't do the same in the case in question?

The so-called islamic scholars, where did they get their claim when there is no evidence. It shows somebody originated the lie, and they spread it all over.

truthman2012:


You said when you say things about the bible, you do provide evidence. Why can't do the same in the case in question?

The so-called islamic scholars, where did they get their claim when there is no evidence. It shows somebody originated the lie, and they spread it all over.

Evidence about what? Let me get this straight, when God is inevitably ready to whoop your silly as*, your excuse will be that a liar and saboteur related a lie to you, even though you were clearly told that the bloke is a liar and saboteur? Smh, deaf dumb and blind indeed. Goodluck with that.

EzioAuditore:


Evidence about what? Let me get this straight, when God is inevitably ready to whoop your silly as*, your excuse will be that a liar and saboteur related a lie to you, even though you were clearly told that the bloke is a liar and saboteur? Smh, deaf dumb and blind indeed. Goodluck with that.

Your statements are dismantled and your case dismissed for want of evidence. Smh!

xaxaxaxaxaxax. And when God calls the saboteur or liar to ask why he did so, the liar would say, he didn't force them, he just called and they answered.

EzioAuditore:


Evidence about what? Let me get this straight, when God is inevitably ready to whoop your silly as*, your excuse will be that a liar and saboteur related a lie to you, even though you were clearly told that the bloke is a liar and saboteur? Smh, deaf dumb and blind indeed. Goodluck with that.

gatiano:
xaxaxaxaxaxax. And when God calls the saboteur or liar to ask why he did so, the liar would say, he didn't force them, he just called and they answered.

What's the meaning of this?

Trash.

truthman2012:


Your statements are dismantled and your case dismissed for want of evidence. Smh!

I were to believe everything about jesus then jesus a magician whose mother was a LovePeddler and his father a carpenter, that's what the historical view of him ism that's what commentators are saying, that's what the jews and romans who lived during his time said. Should I believe these fabrications? You can't bring a felon and present him as a witness in court, so no, it is your case that's dismissed here, your evidence is inadmissible stemming from the fact that your witness is a liar who has been convicted of perjury before.

gatiano:
xaxaxaxaxaxax. And when God calls the saboteur or liar to ask why he did so, the liar would say, he didn't force them, he just called and they answered.

Exactly! I don't know why they intentionally choose to be imbeciles.

EzioAuditore:


Exactly! I don't know why they intentionally choose to be imbeciles.

Smh!

Hypocrisy is a very bad disease. Only God has its cure.

EzioAuditore:


Exactly! I don't know why they intentionally choose to be imbeciles.