frank317:




OK...the reason why you think sexual thought and selfe service is bad is because Jesus said so in the bible.

Well I have read the bible too... But have u ever considered the issue? I mean have u sat down and give it some serious thiking.? I did.

See what happens to me. If I am with a friend and I look at a girl, say I admire her beauty (her shape and facial structure) most times my friends would say I am a womanizer because of this.

But I found out they are just projecting what they are to me. Projection is a self defense mechanism that enable one see what they really are in others. Just give them reason to see what they are in u and they quickly take the bait.

This makes me wonder why Jesus thought looking at a woman lustfully is bad... Could it be that he knew he actually liked it?

What is looking at a woman lustfully really? If I see a very fine car and look at it admiringly, wishing it was mine and I could ride it, is that also a sin? Why should looking and feeling that way for a pretty girl bad? Isn't it natural that if I see a well shaped girl, I should admire her and wish she was mine? Heck, I would even imagine all sorts of sex style with the damsel. Why is that sin? Did I rrappe her? Why is having sexual desire bad to God? Didn't he create us to have them? Isn't it natural instinct? Is just like saying feeling hungry is bad.

Now back to self service... I think it too much indulgence in anything is bad... Be it eating rice, running, taking alcohol, drinking water and self service is bad. So when is over indulgence in self service bad? When u do do it in public places or more than ten times a day. But guy... Occasional self service and lusting after pretty women is not bad. If u think so pls prove me wrong.

I like reading manga a lot...and I came across one manga where one of the characters....a rather well endowed woman, asked (in a painful voice)...Why doesn't anyone look at me in the eyes.?

Kind of enough reason why lusting after women isn't good.

A woman is not just a pretty thing. She is....a person. Lust takes that away from her.

(As an example of how lust can destroy...go read Madame Bovary. I did...and rather than feel titilated...I felt drained at the end of the book. Very very miserable).

Now why did Jesus say looking after women lustfully is bad.?

(And for the record....I LIKE WOMEN! )

Because Jesus wants us to look at women as a whole...not as a means of how they would satisfy us. He wants us to also learn self control.Because.....dancing on the edge of a high mountain increases our risk of dying when we fall off. Jesus....being God...sees women differently. He wants us men to see women the way He sees them...as valued creations of the Father. Not as our servants.

And that thing has benefits. Now...you are going to get married. Are you going to continue looking at other women? Would you like it if yer wife checked out the nice young handsome studs around? Occasional indulgences eh? (All is fair in love and war ha ha?).

Jesus wants you to learn to think about others. Not about yourself all the time. You are not a god. You are a human. Simples.

Self service, selfless service. Which way?

frank317:


Why? How does an adult playing with his dicckk affect ur God?

you're a lunatic.... hv noticed ur post for long hediot i know you're don't believe in God neither do believe our supreme maker exist.... so anything you say here or do is not a suprise to us again but that doesn't stop the fact that God can still forgiven your continuous blasphemy because He's a merciful God

Do not gratify the desire of the flesh

frank317:


Why? How does an adult playing with his dicckk affect ur God?

It isn't about the play...it is about learning the virtues of selflessness....virtues that would be of help in the long run.....

frank317:


Why? How does an adult playing with his dicckk affect ur God?

If it's not a sin then why do you hide when doing it Or when confronted with the question if you do it, you deny

Bonapart:
you're a lunatic.... hv noticed ur post for long hediot i know you're don't believe in God neither do believe our supreme maker exist.... so anything you say here or do is not a suprise to us again but that doesn't stop the fact that God can still forgiven your continuous blasphemy because He's a merciful God

Bro a Christian wont use such words for correction..

GooseBaba:


........... what's wrong with your own history..? ......

Thank you ojare @GooseBaba. To your question we should really add, what's wrong with our own God?. To think our fervent religious 'saviours' wouldn't even be mouthing the words 'Jesus' or 'Allah' had it not been for interaction with Middle Eastern people pushing their own historical ideologies in the first place.

Na wa for some Africans o.

emmyw:
Masturbation is a sin before God.

pls tell me where its written in the bible that masturbation is a sin

nonxo007:
If it's not a sin then why do you hide when doing it Or when confronted with the question if you do it, you deny

stop decieving yourself why do you urinate privately?

Raysly:


stop decieving yourself why do you urinate privately?

So ur telling me uv never urinated in the street or in a public convince where people could see u

AAinEqGuinea:


Self service religion and volumes of other self services these days...


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Who isn't self servicing??

LoL we all are o. Judging by those photos

frank317:



This makes me wonder why Jesus thought looking at a woman lustfully is bad... Could it be that he knew he actually liked it?

What is looking at a woman lustfully really? If I see a very fine car and look at it admiringly, wishing it was mine and I could ride it, is that also a sin? Why should looking and feeling that way for a pretty girl bad? Isn't it natural that if I see a well shaped girl, I should admire her and wish she was mine? Heck, I would even imagine all sorts of sex style with the damsel. Why is that sin? Did I rrappe her? Why is having sexual desire bad to God? Didn't he create us to have them? Isn't it natural instinct? Is just like saying feeling hungry is bad.

now see why i becomes a sin, just like u said " when u see a nice car u look at it admiringly, wishing it was urs"...now when u look at a pretty girl also wishing she was urs..do u stop at that? and probably after having her u see another pretty one u'll also whish u had her too. contention is lost here as a result of lusting...don't really have much to say on d thread but just want to share my view on ur comment .

emmyw:
Masturbation is a sin before God.

prove it like u mean it, oya, ur tym starts now

nonxo007:
So ur telling me uv never urinated in the street or in a public convince where people could see u

that's not the point, the truth is weda masturbation is good or bad there are things in life you don't do publicly check the real meaning of the word masturbation and tell me who ever make love in the street or rather have sex in public

GooseBaba:


See this ediot.... Na movie you take dey learn.. God is definitely not dead.. But the bible god is absolutely dead, that's why he needs you to speak on his behalf..

Meanwhile, after watching the movie, did you bother to actually think for yourself.. The irony of delusion.. One who believes a man died for sins 2000 yrs before he was conceived uses the word brainwashed... we do live in a sick world afterall...

Jesus dies for all of us, please bro try to repent, its never too late and Hes willing to accept you..... Try my God and see the better side of life. Shalom.

GooseBaba:


I said it..!!!! The biblical god too like prick business.. Imagine his followers asking such question.. ..

Guy try think am....kneeling to pray is not pleasing enough, rolling on the floor to receive blessings from him is not, lying and making claims on his behalf is not pleasing enough.fasting and praying is not pleasing enough, As long as one does not squeeze his OWN genitals, or personally make her honey pot drip. Then the good lord can be pleased..

You and your god are perverts... Wetin consign bible god with how I manage my iron.. So bible god is telling me that after 3 hot rounds with my lovely wife and I still have 2 more rounds to go, and the wifey says honey, toto don tire for today.. Then I grab my ky jelly, tell the wifey to simply massage her nipples gently while I stroke my general to orgasmic explosion all over her succulent skin... Then abrahamics perverts like you will call it a sin, and a killer of infants and non virgins will find it not pleasing to his holy killer instinct..

Guy when next you kneel to pray, tell your god to try stroking his covk and stop suvking it.... He needs a wife for that...

I need to see the weed u ar smoking.

frank317:


Why? How does an adult playing with his dicckk affect ur God?

Do not mention the name of the most high carelessly...please, lest u incur his wrath

Ilovelindaikeji:
prove it like u mean it, oya, ur tym starts now

One cannot masturbate without thinking of erotic stuffs, its a fact, i was once a slave to masturbation, but God has delivered me, i was created to give glorg to God, and masturbating doesnt give an iota of glory to my God.

Ilovelindaikeji:
Do not mention the name of the most high carelessly...please, lest u incur his wrath

My sister you cannot argue with these people, just pray for them, our God is merciful.

Kollyk11:
I need to see the weed u ar smoking.

People have no fear of God.

Raysly:

stop decieving yourself why do you urinate privately?

Urine smells.

BOWOTO:

Urine smells.

can you have sex in the public have ever had sex in the public?

frank317:


Why? How does an adult playing with his dicckk affect ur God?

I wonder ooooooooo

plaetton:
Self-Service, Selfless Service And Christian Morality. How are these related to one another in our real world, especially in Nigeria ?

A casual observer will note that at any given time in the front page of NL religious section, one would find many threads and OPs on Self-Service, but hardly any at all on Selfless-Service.

Is the message of Jesus lost in translation, or , is there something much more pernicious going on the deep inside the psyches of Nigerian Christians?

Please help me examine this disturbing distortion of moral responsibility.

Let's see who is the first to comment.

That's the level of misplaced priority in our society.

austinesteve:




now see why i becomes a sin, just like u said " when u see a nice car u look at it admiringly, wishing it was urs"...now when u look at a pretty girl also wishing she was urs..do u stop at that? and probably after having her u see another pretty one u'll also whish u had her too. contention is lost here as a result of lusting...don't really have much to say on d thread but just want to share my view on ur comment .

now dis response fall my hand.....if u see a 2012 model n u admired n acquired, if d 2013 comes out, does it den become a sin to admire n want that?

Well, have read from page to page all comments and xtian seems to blame atheist for what they believe but either we all like it or not we were once atheist before we became theist.


I was once an atheist, and I defend my believe am not surprised by what they are saying but am a curious person and I want to match reason, logic and fact to mean a determinant for a topic.


K, so masturbation..........................lets deal with it with fact and logic before we bring in morality. First why would you not wanna masturbate when u are 70-80. If u are 80 would u still wanna masturbate, some1 will say at, 70 ur libido reduces yes, but it's still there, so would u wana masturbate at 70. It's just like saying hahahahaha Hemp is good mehn, would u wanna smoke in front of ur grand children. Answering this with logic is capital No. U can see this is not religion, but logic. Now what's the difference BTW now and full adulthood, logic is that what u find amusing now will eventually become less amusing or become extinct.

K, another logical angle is, looking at a car is entirely dift from looking at a Girl, while its prove that u can look at a car and want it it's not entirely true for everybody, many people eighter for they have their own car or that it's not something within their budget wouldn't even want it for they are logical they can't get it, the difference is, when u look at a woman, u first see a human but if u further look then u start seeing the features that made the woman, now psychologically u are going to get some activity in ur brain sensitive to what u viewing then imagination follows. This can never be compared to a car where all u think is I want the car that's all, but in looking at a woman and her features u set activity rolling in ur cerebral. Someone said this is normal, but most crime that has to do with sex itself dosnt start that day, the activity u set to become imaginations will build up and u have to have an answer to it for in u ur anatomical being has been griped by what u sence and that had build up.


Another logic, if u leave the scene of the car then u will surely forget the car or might not lay much emphasis on it, but after imaginations of a lady features u are in trouble of a continuous probe by ur members.


Another logic and the one that is contender is addiction, u easily get addicted to masturbation. Just do it once and u will know it can't be stop easily, it will get to a time it affects ones mentalty.

Another logic is, since masturbation is inferior to see u must have to think in an inferior way to masturbation, first u must think of a subject or porn or lady to help u start it, this from logic is against the intent of the purpose ur organ is created for. Makes u inferior and has been the all round quilt associated problem for guys thereby causing inferiority complex.

Lastly from evolution and science, this practice is found strictly in humans and not other primates shows its an abuse of nature.



My point are, logically it's not something u wanna be proud of irrespective of you been a theist or atheist.

How do we solve it, medically, there has never been any clinical nor well research way to stop it other than religion. So when u say Medically it's good and it says don't become an addict. Which literally means no solutions if u can't control it. 90%cant. So how does the psychological effects gets solved. Medicine has no answer other than religion.

Jesus knew u won't escape this so don't even try rather u can learn self control, u could see a girl and not see her feature cos u have given urself self control. So for anybody going thru this hear me, the grace of God is greater than ur sin, so when u find urself hook try and get closer to him for Apostles Paul call it the law of flesh. Don't allow anybody condemn u, work self control out gradually and I pray God's radiant love help u do out.

Shalom

frank317:


Nice u felt insulted because ur question made me feel worst.

OK...the reason why you think sexual thought and selfe service is bad is because Jesus said so in the bible.

Well I have read the bible too... But have u ever considered the issue? I mean have u sat down and give it some serious thiking.? I did.

See what happens to me. If I am with a friend and I look at a girl, say I admire her beauty (her shape and facial structure) most times my friends would say I am a womanizer because of this.

But I found out they are just projecting what they are to me. Projection is a self defense mechanism that enable one see what they really are in others. Just give them reason to see what they are in u and they quickly take the bait.

This makes me wonder why Jesus thought looking at a woman lustfully is bad... Could it be that he knew he actually liked it?

What is looking at a woman lustfully really? If I see a very fine car and look at it admiringly, wishing it was mine and I could ride it, is that also a sin? Why should looking and feeling that way for a pretty girl bad? Isn't it natural that if I see a well shaped girl, I should admire her and wish she was mine? Heck, I would even imagine all sorts of sex style with the damsel. Why is that sin? Did I rrappe her? Why is having sexual desire bad to God? Didn't he create us to have them? Isn't it natural instinct? Is just like saying feeling hungry is bad.

Now back to self service... I think it too much indulgence in anything is bad... Be it eating rice, running, taking alcohol, drinking water and self service is bad. So when is over indulgence in self service bad? When u do do it in public places or more than ten times a day. But guy... Occasional self service and lusting after pretty women is not bad. If u think so pls prove me wrong.

May God Save your soul... Amen

GooseBaba:


Fuvk you and your lord...! Your god is nothing but a covk suvking mountain diety. And a heavenly pervert...

Son of man you have lifted up urself against the Lord of heaven by showing contempt to his awesome power,you are mocking God in whose hand your breath is,and through him you've come to be,if otherwise you know what this means-MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN.shalom

Timoleon:


now dis response fall my hand.....if u see a 2012 model n u admired n acquired, if d 2013 comes out, does it den become a sin to admire n want that?

and u think we should treat humans ( women) like cars also?

U think this guy started in a day? Nope, it built up and he dosnt have an answer to it. So in reality it makes him inferior.

Such is Masturbation, medicine don't have answer for it if u got addicted then how do u liberate urself. Self control.


Shalom