saxywale:

Dude..easy mehn...
....it is not the job of an engineer to connect a point of light... . That is for the techncians who are supervised by technologist who are in turn supervised by engineers. Engineers are usually project managers and are not meant to have to much hand on skills experience. They are the brain behind the project.
In Canada or most developed countries, engineers don't even design or draft like they do in Nigeria, that is the work of technologist...Engineers review the drawing and either reject or approve the design/draft so that the project can go ahead.

Jakara:
Federal Government should please end this certificate discrimination between HND & B.Sc. holders in Federal Ministry of Interior (Prisons, Immigration, Civil Defence) and others in order to increase their productivity.

This discrimination is irrelevant, dangerious, unethical and unconstitutional.

There is a looming bloody clash between these two cadres at fields of operation due to live arms/ammunition they bear and that is why every well meaning Nigerian should help towards scrapping out this because you/ your family will become victim directly/indirectly & never ask God why because you caused it by not publishing or broadcasting this message.

Few of the discriminations witnessed in Min. of Interior are;
? HND (Inspectorate Cadre), while B.Sc. (Superintendent Cadre).
? Entry Level for HND is G/L 7, while a fellow Graduate with B.Sc. is G/L 8.In the first place, it is important to note that the two systems are not the same and can never be the same. One is also not an alternative to the other. Polytechnic education is purely a techno-scientific education. This is in contrast to that of the university that is predominantly academic. The meaning of this is that while polytechnic education concentrates on technical cum scientific education and at the same time providing the nation and economy with the much needed and indispensable middle level manpower, the university concentrates on academic work and research. The result of their academic and research work is exactly what the polytechnic cadre puts into a practical form. For instance, an Electronics/Electrical Engineering graduate from the university can sit down on a table and plan how a given building can be wired. He is not expected to do the wiring himself. The wiring, which is a practical aspect, is now the responsibility of the polytechnic Electronic/Electrical Engineering graduate.
The argument here is that while polytechnic education is more of practical, The Bachelor’s Degree also known as “Baccalaureate” in many countries. The word baccalaureate is a distorted version of German word “Bakkalaureus.” The Bachelor’s degree was first awarded in Germany, but was later abolished. The degree resurfaced in 1820, however, as part of a change in the higher education system. A Bachelor’s degree is an undergraduate academic degree. The name “Bachelor” was given to the degree because of the English word “Bachelor” meaning young apprentice (Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007).that of the university is theoretical. Polytechnic education is, for instance, 60 per cent practical and 40 percent theoretical while that of the university is vice versa.
This little explanation is a pure pointer to the fact that both educational systems are not the same or is one an alternative to the other. Therefore, a student who is opting for the polytechnic education should bear in mind that he is opting for a practical- oriented education. He can only switch to the university if he wants to go academic or theoretical. In a nutshell, one does not enter a polytechnic as a last resort. It is a different educational system with its own mission, vision and, of course, a clear objective.
Countries like Japan, Korea, Germany, Australia, Malaysia and many developed economies rely deeply on skilled and technical education despite knowing that the university education has an edge over the polytechnic education.Both qualifications work hand in hand because they compliment each other.The government of Nigeria should apply Adams Stacy's equity theory so as to give a positive end result in organizational goals.More so course content of both the university and the Polytechnic should be interwoven.
The discrimination is conspicuous and i know how you feel jakarta.i held the bull by the horn by going back to school dumping my two HNDs for PGD.I surged on and today i will affirmatively tell you that i have two masters degrees and a PHD in view.You can even decide to do a top program in any university(it is just one year six month).
Finally you will observe that you even have the edge over every because you have the acumen of the practicals and theory in you.IF THE CONTEMPORARY SITUATION IS DOWNGRADING YOUR EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT,FIGHT IT HARD TO BEAT THE CONTEMPORARY POLICIES OF THE EDUCATIONAL DICHOTOMY.
? HND G/L 7 earns (#70,000 pm), while B.Sc. G/L 8 earns (#120,000 pm).
? Terminal Point for HND is G/L 13, while B.Sc. is to the highest G/L.
? HND/ inspectorate cadre ranks are confusing, while superintendent
ranks are normal ranks/recognized ranks in military/paramilitary
agencies.
? B.Sc Holder hardly pay complement to his superior officer with HND certificate.
? HND graduates are denied one Grade Level during rank conversation.
? Above all, HND holder in this Ministry of Interior are regarded and treated as artisans with WASC or Trade Test qualifications.

It is shameful that staff of Ministry of Interior and others as affected no longer concentrate on their duties or bring ideas that could help the job, rather they focuse on getting more certificates by hook or by crook in order to be converted to superintendent cadre.

It is obvious that other well recognised security agencies like; Nigeria Military, DSS, Nigerian Police, etc do not discriminate
in ranking between HND & B.Sc. Holders.

Federal Government should merge Ministry of Interior with Police to stop this nonsense if they persists in this evil act called discrimination.

Jakara:
Federal Government should please end this certificate discrimination between HND & B.Sc. holders in Federal Ministry of Interior (Prisons, Immigration, Civil Defence) and others in order to increase their productivity.

This discrimination is irrelevant, dangerious, unethical and unconstitutional.

There is a looming bloody clash between these two cadres at fields of operation due to live arms/ammunition they bear and that is why every well meaning Nigerian should help towards scrapping out this because you/ your family will become victim directly/indirectly & never ask God why because you caused it by not publishing or broadcasting this message.

Few of the discriminations witnessed in Min. of Interior are;
? HND (Inspectorate Cadre), while B.Sc. (Superintendent Cadre).
? Entry Level for HND is G/L 7, while a fellow Graduate with B.Sc. is G/L 8.
? HND G/L 7 earns (#70,000 pm), while B.Sc. G/L 8 earns (#120,000 pm).
? Terminal Point for HND is G/L 13, while B.Sc. is to the highest G/L.
? HND/ inspectorate cadre ranks are confusing, while superintendent
ranks are normal ranks/recognized ranks in military/paramilitary
agencies.
? B.Sc Holder hardly pay complement to his superior officer with HND certificate.
? HND graduates are denied one Grade Level during rank conversation.
? Above all, HND holder in this Ministry of Interior are regarded and treated as artisans with WASC or Trade Test qualifications.

It is shameful that staff of Ministry of Interior and others as affected no longer concentrate on their duties or bring ideas that could help the job, rather they focuse on getting more certificates by hook or by crook in order to be converted to superintendent cadre.

It is obvious that other well recognised security agencies like; Nigeria Military, DSS, Nigerian Police, etc do not discriminate
in ranking between HND & B.Sc. Holders.

Federal Government should merge Ministry of Interior with Police to stop this nonsense if they persists in this evil act called discrimination.

hotgunz:
u supervisin wat u dont knw? Third mumu of the day.

porka:


[size=13pt]Polytechnic teachers are resistant in this respect. They don't want to update or improve themselves because of laziness.

NUC is only responsible for universities' regulation though.[/size]

swimcash:
y complicate life? everi1 knws abt d descrimination frm d onset n yet det choose 2 attend poly instead if uni, cos ita easier 2 gain admission n cos sum if den could nt meet up wit d 5credit required. wen obasanjo tried makin it equal he did nt susceed cos even d lecturers un poly kick against it. bro, u futherin ur educatn was because u knew B.sc wil always subpass hnd, lets odas wit hnd do likewise instead of askin 4 d impossible. its dosent seems ryt comparin both, so i advise pple wit hnd 2 try n futher dere educatn instead of makin noise n seekin 4 d impossible

bigerboy200:

On a lighter note tho ''I'm a POLYTECHNICS graduate??''....i know it's a typo error sha...lol.. but u sound over confident...just chill..never feel superior or inferior to anyone..never never..

tonytony208:


What is this half-backed poly student saying? Where did your empty-skulled self hear me calling champion incorrectly? It is like you are hallucinating. You can go and die if you want. You will always be subject to BSC holders forever! Eediot.

ndidibabe:
Please stop being ridiculous. You are one of the reasons why the guy is 'molesting' HND guys. You mean he should say "Which Poly did you graduated from?" Haba, don't kill me this morning o.

GODAKPAN:



GUY, NO SUCH BASIS FOR COMPARISM, SEEN PRIMARY SCHOOL KIDS SOLVE PROBLEM SOME SECONDARY SCHOOL KID CANT SOLVE. I CAN DO IS EASY SAID BUT HOW DO I VERIFY THAT HE CAN DO, IS IT NOT THE CERT. IMAGINE I CAME TO YOUR INTERVIEW YOU SCHEDULED FOR AERONAUTICAL ENGR AND I CAME WITH C&G AND START BLABBING THAT I CAN, HOW DO YOU VERIFY THAT I CAN TO EVEN GIVE ME A TRY. MIND YOU, EVERY ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE IS A QUACK. YOU CAN PATRONISE THEM AT YOUR PERIL

ABJDOT:
I'll rather suggest that, Bsc and Olevel should be collecting the same salaries........Abeg Uni work no else jo....ask student of UI,AUAA,OAU or FUTA.
Even to see 70K work per month no easy in this country again 80% of our youth now re involving in Internet Fraud.

Last Bullet===Its not how far but how well.

Bollove:
[b]for HND/B.sc disparity .....

I was once in Polytechnic before porting to uni thus I have experienced both Institutions and I can tell you the condition and parameters of learning in both Institution differs as far as academic is concern.

B.sc is Bachelor of Science ...which implies you have been "theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically" equipped to relate with modalities of your discipline while HND , Higher National Diploma implied you have been pragmatically (practically) equipped to relate with modalities in your discipline as theoretically and conceptually evolved by a B.sc/M.sc/PhD holder

Polytechnics in a bid to make more money has delved into discipline they don't have resources to undertake .....

at parity, You can't compare somebody who has been tutored by professors with somebody who hardly passed through a PhD holder in his/her entire academic life.


Polytechnic is a technical school from her name "technics" the poly implies the discipline in such Institution is more than one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering, Elect elect , Mech eng etc ..... we also have monotechnics , an institution that specialise in one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering.

At Parity, you can't expect somebody who is theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically oriented to be at the same level with someone who is much pragmatically oriented with little conceptualizing and theoretical underpinnings, framework s and background[/b] .......

Please learn things yourself before you dabble into conclusions. Those people who gives Poly 70,000 and B.sc 120,000 are not fo.ol and it is not as if they don't know what they are doing .

You can't compare B.sc accounting/M.sc Accounting/PhD Accounting with a Chartered Accountant in terms of training received and pay ...... the PhD/B.sc/M.sc are academic orientations while ICAN is a professional/Practical orientation that is why HND holders in accounting excel well in ICAN than B.sc Accounting at parity

if you have HND , technical orientation before you can dabble into academic orientation , you would convert you technical knowledge at PGD (Post Graduate Diploma) schools then you move into M.Sc while a B.sc holder will move straight into M.Sc unless you carry third class/pass then you also get to retrained at PGD schools before moving up academic ladder.

Education is more than practical, some people evolve these courses we are studying from great effort of research and contributions to knowledge through strong theories , conceptualisations and empirical issues to allow real life relationships between concpets and theories.

It is quite embarrassing in Nigeria for some people to just enter into a school without knowing, understanding and preparing for the kind of knowledge to be exposed to ..... You don't just go to school without understanding the kinda knowledge they are impacting therein and the kinda knowledge they have impacted on you.


I am tired of B.sc/HND parity .... until you go to University yourself, you would not be able to ascertain the difference between these two levels of knowledge.

tonytony208:


What is this half-backed poly student saying? Where did your empty-skulled self hear me calling champion incorrectly? It is like you are hallucinating. You can go and die if you want. You will always be subject to BSC holders forever! Eediot.

jolomiurenyi:


Una go dey brag, u don dey work with ur Bsc now?

powerfulsettingz:

young man is neco and waec dsame?

omonnakoda:


Already the first impression you create about yourself with your writing is of a mediocre individual with an inflated and delusional sense of self worth.

I left university more than 20 years ago. In those days we learnt how to think ,to listen and to keep an open mind. I think this is an interesting subject to debate.I also believe many of our young people these days cannot reason at all. Many of the Nigerian graduates I meet today are not at the academic level I was when I ENTERED university so I do not believe many people are getting any education in universities.In all honesty I have even met some of the lecturers and we saw one of the "professor" a state INEC chairman embarrass himself on TV it really is very disappointing.
One of the things that I learnt was to be able to debate BOTH SIDES of any argument with confidence and knowledge.That was the best way to get understanding. These days we have rigid minds that know little yet believe the know everything
Those who make the most noise often have the least knowledge. I suggest people should research about the BINARY DIVIDE which existed in the United Kingdom and how it was abrogated.

Nigerians are very preoccupied with status and putting people down . PHCH was full of hundreds if not thousands of so called ENGINEERS with university degrees that insist on using the ridiculous title "ENGINEER" which I have not encountered anywhere outside Nigeria. Of what value are their degrees?

tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

BluePulse:
The discrimination is really un-called for. I'm a HND grad. I've worked in a bank where I was a team lead over BS.C holders due to my experience and how much I blv in myself.
Now I have Masters in Risk Management from an American Institution. I am currently heading a department of more than 5 BSc holders.
At the long run, I discovered its not by what u have, but how u see urself. I knew abt dis discrimination, but I was also determined that a BSc holder that'll topple me anywhere would be based on his work rate or creativity and not his degree. I don't blv in that degree and I dnt respect a man based on that. I respect based on 'workability' and 'creativity'.

meshinoye:
With my HND Accountancy (OSCOTECH) , I was able to obtained the following qualifications without much stress: ACCM, MBA (LAUTECH), B.Sc (Oxford Brookes University, UK), and i am in my ACCA finals.

I think having B.S.c or HND is not enough, lazyness is the problem with people.

erico2k2:

Thats why in the west, no one give a crap about your degree, demonstrate you can do the work and the job is yours

tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

bettercreature:
Keep hiding the truth and let's see if that's going to set you free

BluePulse:
The discrimination is really un-called for. I'm an HND grad. I've worked in a bank where I was a team lead over BS.C holders due to my experience and how much I blv in myself.
Now I have Masters in Risk Management from an American Institution. I am currently heading a department of more than 5 BSc holders.
At the long run, I discovered its not by what u have, but how u see urself. I knew abt dis discrimination, but I was also determined that a BSc holder that'll topple me anywhere would be based on his work rate or creativity and not his degree. I don't blv in that degree and I dnt respect a man based on that. I respect based on 'workability' and 'creativity'.

luthorcorp:
yes you have a point indeedits about how developed your intellectual ability and faculty is,most hnd holders have already developed that inferior complex internally and when a little degrading scenario comes up at work,they are quick to blame it on the poor hnd cert...........its pathetic..