luckyCO:


Am happy that you find it humbly enough to respond my comment.
There is contradictions here, you think am insulting/underrating Mary mother of Christ, never! never!! never!!!
Am a Catholic just as you are until am quickened the real meaning of Salvation and I praise God. Nobody is greater than the other,God saw all has fallen away from his grace and He come in His Son born of a woman to redeem us back to Himself. Today we can say Abba Father!
Those who receive 30%,60% 100% grace worked with their ability according to grace given but to the glory of God the Father.

Mary was overshadowed and She conceived[b](no reward)[/b] also was there at upper room to receive Holy Ghost[b](grace for reward-hope of glory)[/b]. All the qualities you attributed to Mary was given to her by God, what will you gain by asserting so much effort studying/praising/venerating the gift instead of the giver.

We all are waiting for the white throne judgement where all of us who did good will come out and be rewarded for all the things we did while on earth including Mary mother of Jesus.

Remember God's aim on the earth is for all to be under Christ and Christ under God who place everything under Him!

The problem is we reason God just as if He is a man, that is why we say Mary of mother of God etc.

God bless you.

brocab:
I also believe in the trinity-Father Son and the Holy spirit these three are One, Christianity is based upon Love-it's about God changing us-allowing God to mold us 'sharp us-and build us up for His Glory-Mary was chosen and we all respect that-we are also chosen by God, to full fill His purpose.
{Ephesians 4:11-12} And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for works of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,…
Praying always in spirit and in truth,, Mary and the saints before us have already finished their race, and now it's our turn to finish our race, and those after us will finish their race..

Jusmudi:


But do u believe in prayers of saints?

brocab:
I don't pray for the dead-God is God of the living-the saints before us have finish their race and now they are with the Lord-its the saints that are left 'those who stand with us today, need our prayers daily..

Perfectbeing:
Mary along with all of mankind needed to believe in Jesus to be saved. Her status as the birth mother of Jesus Christ cannot save her from sin. Only faith in Christ alone can.
So it makes no sense to ask Mary to intercede on your behalf when both of you have only one way to God (Christ).

Imagine asking the mother of a gate man to help you tell her son to open a gate for you when you can ask the gate man directly..

Nowhere in the 4 gospels did Jesus ask his followers to pray to his mother for intersession... Neither in the epistles is anything like that found.

Praying to Mary, for whatever reason is unbiblical as there is no single verse in the bible to back it up

Jusmudi:


Revelation 8:3-4 ESV /
And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel

Revelation 5:8 ESV /
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will accept his prayer not to deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.

brocab:
Your point is 'you are praying to and for the saints who have already made it to Heaven-expecting Mary and the saints to save you, expecting them to lay their hands upon you for healing.. It isn't our job to pray for those who have gone before us to be with the Lord, we are not expected to pray for Paul nor to Peter nor the other apostles or disciples, Jesus will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
"Our job is to pray for those that need eternal salvation., laying our hands upon them for healing.
{James 5:16} Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.
I don't need to confess my sins to Mary nor the saint's who have gone before me, the bible is telling me to pray for those in need, do you obviously believe Mary and the saints who have gone before us, need healing? ..
{1 Timothy 2:1-2} First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.
I pray for kings and governments, to heal the land that we live a peaceful and quite life.

Jusmudi:


Did u read what I said? I ask dem to join me in prayers since dey are already in heaven. Just like a final year student ll b doing tutorial for those in 100 level

brocab:
Why pray to the saints who have already gone before us, go into your secret place and pray this:
Our Father,
who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come;
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread;
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one
Amen

Jusmudi:


Are u saying u pray only d Lords prayer?

brocab:
I also pray the Lord's prayer-you shouldn't be ashamed to do the same-Mary and the saints will not save you, Jesus can, and will, if you would turn yourself over to Him today, ask Him into your life-allowing His Holy Spirit to set you free from all false literature and corruption within the Catholic Church..
{Hebrews 4:15-16} For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
Go into your secret place and pray to our Father who art in Heaven, and pray for those that truly need our prayers,, asking the Lord to bring salvation to you, and they, 'healing them, that all man kind will be saved.

Jusmudi:


Did I tell u I don't believe in God? U said Marys role ended after d resurrection of Christ but I'm telling u dt no matter how great u are, people must always ask about your parents. Mary is still performing her duty to those who seek for her intercession. Bros what are we arguing? U don't believe n I believe, den y can't u allow me to believe in peace? As far we worship same God(Jesus) den forget how I meet him. U see dis life eh, we can never be same even twins can never be same ooo. Anyway I'm happy there are some people who still believe n devote dia time for God.

Mary new people like u ll argue that was y she said in Luke 1:48
New American Standard Bible
"For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave; For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed.
I'm proud of u bro

brocab:
To be honest, anybody who can't seem to get Jesus right in the first place, didn't get Jesus at all-praying to Mary expecting her to save you, is something the Catholic Church made up, it isn't scriptural, 'most people who read their bibles already know we pray directly "To" the Father.
If you have peace believing a lie, then keep your peace, "But know this-believing all truth sets us free
I don't need to ask about my parents, family or friends, the Lord gave us a choice, heaven or Hell-the Lord said: by their fruit we know them..

Jusmudi:

How do u know asking Mary to intercede for me is a lie?

brocab:
Read your bible! And if is not written in the bible 'then asking Mary to intercede for you, is deafeningly a lie..

(Isaiah 55:,

Jusmudi:

To u not to me

brocab:
Question: "What does it mean that God sent Jesus in the “fullness of time”? Why did God send Jesus when He did? Why not earlier? Why not later?"
Answer: “But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law” (Galatians 4:4).
This verse declares that God the Father sent His Son when “the time had fully come.”
There were many things occurring at the time of the first century that, at least by human reasoning, seem to make it ideal for Christ to come then.
1) There was a great anticipation among the Jews of that time that the Messiah would come. The Roman rule over Israel made the Jews hungry for the Messiah’s coming.
2) Rome had unified much of the world under its government, giving a sense of unity to the various lands. Also, because the empire was relatively peaceful, travel was possible, allowing the early Christians to spread the gospel.
Such freedom to travel would have been impossible in other eras.
3) While Rome had conquered militarily, Greece had conquered culturally.
A “common” form of the Greek language (different from classical Greek) was the trade language and was spoken throughout the empire, making it possible to communicate the gospel to many different people groups through one common language.
4) The fact that the many false idols had failed to give them victory over the Roman conquerors caused many to abandon the worship of those idols.
At the same time, in the more “cultured” cities, the Greek philosophy and science of the time left others spiritually empty in the same way that the atheism of communist governments leaves a spiritual void today.
5) The mystery religions of the time emphasized a savior-god and required worshipers to offer bloody sacrifices, thus making the gospel of Christ which involved one ultimate sacrifice believable to them. The Greeks also believed in the immortality of the soul (but not of the body).
6) The Roman army recruited soldiers from among the provinces, introducing these men to Roman culture and to ideas (such as the gospel) that had not reached those outlying provinces yet. The earliest introduction of the gospel to Britain was the result of the efforts of Christian soldiers stationed there.
The above statements are based on men looking at that time and speculating about why that particular point in history was a good time for Christ to come.
But we understand that God’s ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:, and these may or may not have been some reasons for why He chose that particular time to send His Son.
From the context of Galatians 3 and 4, it is evident that God sought to lay a foundation through the Jewish Law that would prepare for the coming of the Messiah.
The Law was meant to help people understand the depth of their sinfulness (in that they were incapable of keeping the Law) so that they might more readily accept the cure for that sin through Jesus the Messiah (Galatians 3:22-23; Romans 3:19-20). The Law was also “put in charge” (Galatians 3:24) to lead people to Jesus as the Messiah.
It did this through its many prophecies concerning the Messiah which Jesus fulfilled.
Add to this the sacrificial system that pointed to the need for a sacrifice for sin as well as its own inadequacy
(with each sacrifice always requiring later additional ones).
Old Testament history also painted pictures of the person and work of Christ through several events and religious feasts (such as the willingness of Abraham to offer up Isaac, or the details of the Passover during the exodus from Egypt, etc.).
Finally, Christ came when He did in fulfillment of specific prophecy.
[Daniel 9:24-27] speaks of the “seventy weeks” or the seventy “sevens.” From the context, these “weeks” or “sevens” refer to groups of seven years, not seven days.
We can examine history and line up the details of the first sixty-nine weeks (the seventieth week will take place at a future point).
The countdown of the seventy weeks begins with “the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem” (verse 25).
This command was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus in 445 B.C. (see Nehemiah 2:5).
After seven “sevens” plus 62 “sevens,” or 69 x 7 years, the prophecy states, “the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing.
The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary” and that the “end will come like a flood” (meaning major destruction) (v. 26).
Here we have an unmistakable reference to the Savior’s death on the cross.
A century ago in his book The Coming Prince, Sir Robert Anderson gave detailed calculations of the sixty-nine weeks, using ‘prophetic years,’ allowing for leap years, errors in the calendar, the change from B.C. to A.D., etc., and figured that the sixty-nine weeks ended on the very day of Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem, five days before His death.
Whether one uses this timetable or not, the point is that the timing of Christ’s incarnation ties in with this detailed prophecy recorded by Daniel over five hundred years beforehand.
The timing of Christ’s incarnation was such that the people of that time were prepared for His coming.
The people of every century since then have more than sufficient evidence that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah through His fulfillment of the Scriptures that pictured and prophesied His coming in great detail.
So I do hope you do understand this, only Jesus can save you, because asking Mary or the saints, anybody in this matter to save you is a waste of your time..

Jusmudi:

Make I read all of them?

brocab:
No one is forcing you to do anything..

ochibuogwu5:
Hail Mary,
full of Grace,
the Lord is with you,
Blessed are you among women
and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus Christ.
Holy Mary Mother of God,
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Jusmudi:

Ok bro. But is too long