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| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Remarkable: 2:30am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: I decided to look at the intention of the op though, he might have kicked it off with the wrong foot, but I think he genuinely wants the ball in the goal post... cut him some slac? 1 Like |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 2:32am On Jul 15, 2015 |
lastpage: If we can't agree on the bits of history, then of what use is your hypothetical questions. Stop beating around the Bush and attack my points, I have no time for your games and chest beating. |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by klevjey: 2:34am On Jul 15, 2015 |
SUBWAY101: What is my business if ondo state produces oil or d entire South West?? Lagos, is a no man's land as South south's oil is a no man's oil...or vice versa!! I chose Lagos because it has d highest population of other ethnic groups, especially igbos... 2 Likes |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 2:34am On Jul 15, 2015 |
klevjey: Dont get it twisted please! You are mixing-up TWO THINGS 1) geographical land area and the people (2) Resources under the ground A.) Yes, Niger Delta, as a land, belongs to the Niger Deltans as a people, just as Lagos belongs to Yorubas as a people; and Anambra belongs to Igbos, as a people or Kano belongs to Hausas, as a people B.) Because Nigeria is a "Federal Republic", it RESOURCEs belong to the Federal Govt. The Groundnut Pyramids of the north, the Cocoa of the West, the Oil of the Niger Delta, the Rubber in Ondo state, e.t.c ALL BELONG TO NIGERIA represented by the Federal Govt. I hope you see what is meant now? But let me add that this does not justify the wanton ecological disaster of the ND, the poor infrastructure there nor the poverty there. These are the "failures of Governance", from your looting LG chairmen, to the Governor and the President of the federation. Those issues arose out of corruption Thanks for your opinion Lastpage! |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 2:36am On Jul 15, 2015 |
6.) That for almost two years, Yorubas were reluctant to react to such provocations as we felt he should have directed his bomb "Northwards" since we hold no grudge against Igbos. 7.) That the 'final straw that broke the camel's back' was when Ojukwu's army attacked, as far as Oore town (current Ondo state, just before Ijebu-Ode) and Yorubas felt his intention was to destroy Yoruba lands, as he has done to Benin kingdom! I believe the above is a case of Yoruba neutrality, which I had already addressed. |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by SUBWAY101(m): 2:38am On Jul 15, 2015 |
klevjey: Jerry, You are a little kid and from Edo state. Southwest state called Ondo produce oil and its part of the Niger Delta, I dont care if oil is no man's oil, thats your own problem. You can only throw that insult to the North since they dont produce any oil, the yaeboes and the SW produce oil so whats your problem? |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 2:40am On Jul 15, 2015 |
The rest of the opening post were simply not worthy of any reply as they were mainly emotional rants with no substance. |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by klevjey: 2:42am On Jul 15, 2015 |
lastpage: Thank you very much..That's why am telling you you don't dictate laws to a people.. If you want Lagos to belong to the Yorubas, then we are telling you we want Niger Delta's oil to be ours...That is why we are moving for the emancipation of the Niger Delta... |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 2:43am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Largas: I am trying to understand you perfectly Sir! *Are you saying it was a "mere coincidence" that all the Coupist were Igbos? (maybe they are the only ones in the military then, huh?) *That it was a mere coincidence that ALL Northern Political and Decorated Top Military officers of Northern extraction were murdered, including Tafawa Balewa *That it was mere coincidence that Ironsi became the Head of state of an Igbo Coup and within a short time, all Federal appointments seems to "fall into Igbo hands"? ....as exemplified by what happened in University of Ibadan?  That is one coincidence too many Bros!  My Blodder, the war is over and we are in 2015.  Thanks for your opinion Lastpage! 1 Like |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 2:44am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Remarkable: You are simply New to this arena. Yorubas and the word genuine don't mix, he simply has nothing to sell other than Igbophobic rants. I have them figured out to a T, and they never disappoint. |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by SUBWAY101(m): 2:46am On Jul 15, 2015 |
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| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by klevjey: 2:49am On Jul 15, 2015 |
SUBWAY101: am not jerry and not from Edo state..My point is: Let south south's oil be seen as south south's and not Nigeria's... datz y we are moving for the emancipation of Niger Delta |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by bukster(f): 2:52am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Largas:Almost everyone that you mentioned came to power through a bloodless coup. Only 1 Nigerian head of state's have ever been killed after the civil war. Murtala Muhammad whose killer was promptly assassinated. Abachas's death is still officially considered a heart attack but the unofficial reason is that he was murdered by Indian prostitues. Despite the amount of coups that Nigeria has been through, after the civil war, military governments tried to avoid killing off the leaders they took over from in order to avoid the mistakes that led to the civil war. 1 Like |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 2:55am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: You still dont get it, do you? 1.) Yorubas did not attack any Igbo soldier nor participated ACTIVELY in the war till it was about two years old. We only defended the S/west when Ojukwu and his Biafran Army wanted to run-over us, as far as Oore town in present Ondo state. Even when they overran Benin Kingdom, a part of Yoruba entity, we were still "begging" them to desist ...as we do not want to tackle them headlong! Please be fair in your response now? 2.) Yorubas do not want Biafra Soldier to "liberate them" using force and war. We have our own "mental startegy" for achieving desired results. But you insisted on "helping us liberate" ....... us! Na by force to help people liberate them? We knew the impact of war on our people and how it will set us back a hundred years....something Igbos are feeling up to this moment. But then We cant afford and dont want "those impact". Things might be different today in 2015 Instead of accepting that you miscalculated, you are "shifting blame and clamoring for separation"! This is the sole reason why Igbos are saying[b] "Allow us to go"![/b] I mean, if it was that easy to go, you would have tried to go and wont be asking for permission to go! Who gives that kind of permission? Even the Bible says "the Violent take it by force"! .... that is if they can sha! Be realistic, l am begging you, for the sake of love. Thats all. Thanks for your opinion. Lastpage! 1 Like |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by SUBWAY101(m): 2:56am On Jul 15, 2015 |
klevjey: Stop the lies. You can deny anyway but the truth is widely open Ogunbor. Can see you have switch from naija delta oil to south south oil, very good. The oil producing states are called Niger Delta and a Yoruba state is part of it. They are even the fourth or fifth in terms of contribution among the 9 states. They even collect 13 percent derivation but other region that contributes through Agriculture dont receive any derivation so I dont know your problem. No one is holding you from forming Nigerdelta republic and you cant see a Yoruba man holding you from doing that so i dont know why you are foaming in the mouth. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by SUBWAY101(m): 2:59am On Jul 15, 2015 |
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| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by CHM11: 3:00am On Jul 15, 2015 |
EggovinMma:Your bolded will most likely work. Problem will only arise when the igbos try to claim oil/gas producing lands in the SS. I believe that's why the Biafra dream failed the first time. Nigeria and Biafra fought for the Oil discovered in the SS region, a non igbo, non yoruba and non hausa minority people. |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 3:11am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: Bros, You are talking "after the fact". I am saying Yorbas were neutral from the onset, before the war started. *Dont forget it was Igbos and Hausas that were killing themselves (mostly) in the coup and counter-coup *Dont forget that till todays, hardly will you hear that Yorubas gather to kill any Igbo person, as happens in the North Even now that things were tense! I tell you, if it was in the North that had so much Igbos doing business, during the last election with the utterances of Igbos, the killings would have started. You and l know this. You need to separate Lagos as a sit of governemnt, and Yorubas as indigene of Lagos. Order can be given in Lagos and implemented in Anambra, by the then military Govt. Order can be given in Enugu and implemented in Kano ror Kaduna, by the Biafran military commanders. But what would appear dubious is to give order in Enugu, to attack Lagos (despite being the sit of government) to kill Yorubas while leaving Hausas in Kano and Kaduna unscacthed! How many times did you hear that Kano or Kaduna was attacked during the civil war? Yet, from Benin down to Oore was decimated by Biafran Soldiers? In all honesty, Ojukwu wanted to destroy the South West Yorubaland, for not joining him, even if it means he would let go the Hausas that are his main traducers. That is very vindictive and Yorubas make no Apologies for defending themselves robustly. Igbos would do same, if in our shoes As for the eternal enmity, go and sit down joor! You dont marry into the tribe of your eternal enemy! or can anyone war with himself? Thanks for your opinion Sir! Lastpage! |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 3:13am On Jul 15, 2015 |
hakeem4: Thanks for this additional insight. Igbos should just call a spade, a spade and let us move on. Lastpage! 1 Like |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 3:19am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: Look l dont know how old you are during the Civil war but l use to live less than one kilometer from the Casino Cinema in the late sixties and l can tell you as an eye witness that Casino Cinema was bombed by Igbos. I am not saying a battalion of Soldeirs matched all the way to Lagos O! They sent suicide bombers like Boko Haram is doing today, to bomb places in Lagos! That Cinema never recovered till today! And by the way, are you telling us Yorubas are no longer Nigerians and vice-versa? You were stopped at Oore by Yoruba soldiers led by the Scorpion Himself. dont let us go to that side as it will start to appear we are gloating over the debacle, as a sign of respect to those who lost their lives on both sides, or dont you know we also lost soldiers? ITS A FREAKING WAR, for God's sake! Thanks Sir, for your opinion Lastpage! 4 Likes |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 3:20am On Jul 15, 2015 |
lastpage: What exactly are you talking about? were Yorubas soldiers not part of the Odua-Arewa Army that was attacking Biafra? Who was Adekunle that was shooting at anything that moves in the East? Awo and his starvation policy? No time were Biafrans attempting to over run Yorubaland, plots to bring genocide on Biafrans were being plotted by Northern soldiers domiciled in Yorubaland, and at first yorubas claimed to be too weak to chase out those enemies of Biafra occupying Lagos, and when attempts were made by Biafrans to chase the Northerners out from Yorubaland, the same Yorubas that were too weak to chase out the Northerners and protect their land, were now strong enough to oppose Biafrans, who are you deceiving? You can not harbour an enemy that seek to destroy me in your house, claim to be too weak to chase him out of your house ,still stand on my way of chasing him out and still claim neutrality and friendship. Ndiigbo have fully recovered from the war, we enviably sit on top of all human development indices in Nigeria. But we never forget our enemies and those that harboured them. No, we are simply scared of the international community involvement, we wouldn't want a situation where we will be fighting Britain and Egypt again. You were never our match, once international influences are eliminated or evened out. There is simply no love between the killer and the killed, but I believe that international boundary between Biafra and Arewa-Oduanistan, will buy both countries respect, I think we have passed the stage of love. Thanks. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 3:30am On Jul 15, 2015 |
lastpage: I repeat, Biafra never bombed Lagos, no evidence whatsoever to suggest such. Probably the propaganda Awo- Gowon and their Egyptian airforce used to deceive you lots, they had no qualms bombing hospitals and market places full of women and children in Biafra, dropping a few bombs in Lagos to increase you lots innate Igbophobia surely can't be beyond them. Biafran match stopped at Ore. A price Ojukwu paid for mis judging Banjo and Yorubas treachery, a mistake Biafra 2.0 will never repeat. |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by tiger28: 3:31am On Jul 15, 2015 |
klevjey:Oga, I have NEVER heard of any ND person that disputes the ownership of lagos, because they are very proud of their origin.its only the Igbos .And Yorubas cannot dispute that the oil doesn't belong to ND. The only People that ND'ers should be more careful and concerned about are the igbos because right after the presidential election loss, a lot of them have been using word like " our oil in the east feed nigeria", "lower niger" , "Biafra includes the ND" etc. They can't go Biafra alone without ND oli so they are recent ATTACHÉS by force with ND. Igbos can never coexist with anyone once they have cornered ND oil. A word is enough. ... 1 Like |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by tiger28: 3:37am On Jul 15, 2015 |
klevjey:You mean ND oil  ??when did SE start producing MAJOR oil??Ondo state alone produce more oil than all of SE.....next will be Lagos soon. Stay tuned! |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 3:41am On Jul 15, 2015 |
tiger28: This propaganda is stale. Atleast not when they( Niger deltans) see that the majority of oil cogs had been tactfully lured to Lagos by Awo immediately after the war, when Okpara in contrast had relocated shell from Owerri to PH, not when they see the likes of Alakija competing on top of Forbes list on their wealth, not when they saw the way the Northern elites with the help of their Yoruba side kicks had cornered their oil blocks, not when they saw how you lots treated their son in the last election. If after all those and they are still to blind to fall for your propaganda, then they must be silly. Here is what we achieved without ND oil wealth, even with the Nigerian negativity drawing us backwards, with or without ND, Biafra will be a great country, greater than whatever your BOKO SHARIA ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF AREWA-ODUANISTAN can ever amount to, and you know that, that's why you are filled with trepidation at the mention of BIAFRA! |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 3:42am On Jul 15, 2015 |
tiger28: This propaganda is stale. Atleast not when they( Niger deltans) see that the majority of oil coys had been tactfully lured to Lagos by Awo immediately after the war, when Okpara in contrast had relocated shell from Owerri to PH, not when they see the likes of Alakija competing on top of Forbes list on their wealth, not when they saw the way the Northern elites with the help of their Yoruba side kicks had cornered their oil blocks, not when they saw how you lots treated their son in the last election. If after all those and they are still too blind as to fall for your propaganda, then they must be silly. And by the way, Nzeogwu the leader of the Igbo coup was a Niger deltan too. Here is what we achieved without ND oil wealth, https://www.nairaland.com/2263635/south-east-south-west-south-south-lead-attainment Even with the Nigerian negativity drawing us backwards. With or without ND, Biafra will be a great country, greater than whatever your BOKO SHARIA ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF AREWA-ODUANISTAN can ever amount to, and you know that, that's why you are filled with trepidation at the mention of BIAFRA! |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 3:42am On Jul 15, 2015 |
bukster:Danjuma committed coup and so should be prosecuted. what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If you do not prosecute him for coup plotting yet scream that ifeajuna and nzeogwu be prosecuted then I don't know of any other higher form of injustice and double standard against a fellow compatriot. Justice in all all the areas Igbos are marginalised or the agitation for a new Republic of Biafra continues. |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by tiger28: 3:45am On Jul 15, 2015 |
klevjey:ONLY BASTARDS call any land in Nigeria a no man's land. Yes you have the freedom to roam anywhere in Nigeria because you are a Nigerian, the same reason why you don't see a Yoruba man being made an Obi or a calabarman being made TOR TIV or an ebiraman being crowned an Oba, every land is very indigineous, this happens all over Africa but just ONE tribe kills themselves over this. 3 Likes |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by tiger28: 3:49am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza:NOW Nzeogwu was a niger deltan? see these people o. He was IGBO of delta state,same way you guys claim Madam Ngozi (Madam One chance) from delta state. |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by pazienza(m): 3:53am On Jul 15, 2015 |
tiger28: He was Igbo and Niger deltan the same time. Igbos are stake holders in Niger delta, that's the point I was passing across to you. 1 Like |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 3:59am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Largas: Do you by any means "stammer"? Just kidding, l guess it was your keyboard that was stammering up there!  On a more serious note.... and l will not mince word with you so you might not like what l would say but l am giving you the mindset of "others" which you might not be aware of. 1.) There is no equity in Nigeria, not even amongst the Yorubas who were part of the #teamvictory in the war, the only luck Lagos has was because it was the capital and anywhere in the world, the Capital comes first in development. 2.) I agree that the Northerners who held sway on power after the war, did not go overboard to let you guys feel welcomed. Its a combination of "anger, vissionlessness, selfishness and post-war vendetta" . That was not right if and when we are trying to forge a united Nigeria. ND suffered similar neglect despite being the Apple basket! 3.) The fact that Igbos did not actually "openly accept" defeat (remember Ojukwu was still in Ivory Coast for some time before he wss pardoned to come back home) and accept their role in what led to the war (as they still do today) gave the impression that they were only "bidding their time" to start another war of secession. 4.) This created an atmosphere of distrust such that "others" were wondering what these Igbos might try to do, if you give them too much room and power. The impoverization was deliberate though we also have to acknowledge that the fact that the Igbos tend to be Nomadic and live outside their own domain also contributed to their under-development! 5.) Some Igbo "leaders" are also to blame as they play "sell-out" of their people, for personal gains. From Nzeribes, to Ojukwu himself (l know Igbos wont like that part but l think he should have been a God father "anointing from behind", instead of playing partisan Politics when he came back as that would have given him more respect and bargaining power; just my opinion). I also wonder why Igbo Governors have not find it in their heart to "come together and use their allocation to do meaningful collaboration projects that would uplift their area...they are not poor mind you, as a people! but have nothing to show for it in the East itself...maybe in Lagos sha) 6.)Even up till today, there is still that trust deficit between Igbos and other Nigerian tribes, not just Yorubas alone. Even their closest neighbour, the Niger Deltans still view them with distrust. But How can you "completely trust" people who dont believe in the nigerian project? so we have a "chicken and egg" situation here: *Igbos agitate for Biafra because they are neglected by Nigeria and are not properly integrated *Nigeria feels Igbo are not trying to properly ingrate into Nigeria because they still want to actualize Biafra and cannot be trusted with anything, especially Power, in the nigerian equation. Who should break the ice? I think Igbos need to show Nigerians that they are onboard the Nigerian ship FULLY. No tjust waiting to seize an opportunity! I say this because when you have a "chicken and Egg situation", you only need to go back and look at the "antecedents" to decide which should give first. Take the last election as an example: Igbos wanted all hell to break lose so they can seize the opportunity to secede and actualize Biafra. But meanwhile, they were urging the ND folks on, like they were really rooting for them because they think some injustice is being done to them for trying to vote our former President Jonathan. Other Nigerians know and see this. It is this kind of scenario that makes "Nigeria" to consciously suppress Igbos. Igbos have also been known to be unstable (forgive my use of that word) and to not stand solidly behind what is right, even if they dont benefit from it. Take the Saraki scenario as another example: Igbos knew what Saraki did was treacherous. Such Vile humanbeing MUST never be put anywhere near a position of responsibility but because it is a "dagger in the heart of Yorubas", Igbos are willing to go along with it. When you behave that way, you are sending out the wrong signals and telling others that you are "unreliable and undependable". I can go back to the past thirty of forty years wherein Igbos have acted the spoiler role (NPN Vs.UPN, SDP Vs NRP, Abiola Saga, Renaming of Unilag, e.t.c). In most cases, it is directed at Yorubas but meanwhile, the Northerners who reap the benefit dont give a phuck about Igbos. For them, they have seem the Igbos thru and thru. Mind you, the Northerners are not that "indecisive" as the Westerner Yoruba when it comes to swift actions and they follow themselves dogmatically. Yorubas have this penchant for not following "orders", except they completely agree to it (Obasanjo's first term is an example) In summary (l dont want to dwell too much on these examples as it will raise other arguments again), I think the igbos should throw the Olive branch first and let Nigerians embrace them. The likes of Nnamdi Kanu is not doing such effort any favors at all. I will also suggest that Igbos not put all their eggs in one basket because things dont always go as planned. That your sworn enemy might be your saving grace when the time comes! It is not that we actually like the Hausas (Sharia and blood-letting Vs. Born-to-rule mentality) and we collude with them, but we have found them to be at least more reliable than the Igbos. We can tolerate their excesses and we can also make our own demands which they also know when to "bow to" (as in Presidency and other political matters) otherwise, they know what we are capable of doing without even fighting! Babangida will remember us, if not Abacha! Igbos too have to know when to stop boasting and use "deft tactics" to achieve set objectives! Chai, who da phuck am l to turn myself into "igbo adviser" sef, abi dem don dash me wife? Thanks for your opinion Sir! Lastpage! |
| Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 4:11am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: You have responded almost ten times and yet you keep saying it warrants no response! Nna, calm down now, biiko! The war is over. We are just trying to ease the tension and see where we can vent out so that we dont bottle all that hate inside. And your use of foul language is unnecessary. Will you not help a Yoruba man, if you see him being attacked by Robbers or would you sayy Good for him,. na Yoloba im be! Chillax Bro. Even if we go to war today, we will still come back and discuss on at a a table ..... so why not just discuss at a table as we are doing than trying to hack ourselves to death first, huh? At this time of the night sef, how can you still be angry? BTW: hypothetical question sat times are designed to make you reflect on your own position and see if is logical I wont thank you this time, for your opinion though but then Thanks for your opinion Lastpage! |
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