truthman2012:


@ mubarakopeyemi

Yes or No?

malvisguy212:
Yes. Bible say He first love us before we love Him.

My battery is low, I may reply you later.

truthman2012:


Trash!!!

You have no place to hide.

Is quran 19:55 the revelation allahh claimed he gave to Ishmael?

Was it Ishmael allahh spoke to in that verse or Muhammad?

Now look at this:

[Quran 19:54 Pickthal] And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

Where is the SCRIPTURE OF ISHMAEL that contains the revelations given to him?

You are hereby proved wrong that quran 19:55 is the revelation given to Ishmael.

truthman2012:


Waiting for Rilwon!!!

tartar9:
there are both authentic and fabricated hadiths for your argument to be even considered simply use the authentic one's,simple!

malvisguy212:
do you really expect me to list 20 prophet ?

For what ?

If you want to know the number of prophet , check google.

Anas09:
Oga Seun, I caught some one here you may consider training as a Mod. She's Muslims though, but very objective and balance. That's how I ve observe her though.

truthman2012:
Trash!!!

You have no place to hide.

Is quran 19:55 the revelation allahh claimed he gave to Ishmael?

Was it Ishmael allahh spoke to in that verse or Muhammad?

Now look at this:
[Quran 19:54 Pickthal] And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

Where is the SCRIPTURE OF ISHMAEL that contains the revelations given to him?

You are hereby proved wrong that quran 19:55 is the revelation given to Ishmael.

truthman2012:

Rilwon

truthman2012:

Waiting for Rilwon!!!

mubarakopeyemi:

hold on a bit he will be back for u

malvisguy212:
Good morning to you too and happy sallah in advance. God love everyone of us ,he say to Jeremiah "before you were born ,I chose you .

Rilwon:


It doesn't make any sense when you write trash as a reply to my a post you didn't make an attempt to debunke at all. I was expecting you to address my post one after the other, but to my utmost surprise, you didn't fail to show your ignorance.



Lool! Hide? for what? I am not like you, you know? you will soon run to your hideout


You are again mixing revelation with book. Revelation doesn't necessarily mean a book; this was addressed up there. He received message from God, and he carried it out by enjoining his family and his people to Believe in God.

Surah Maryam, Verse 55:
And he used to enjoin on his family and his people As-Salat (the prayers) and the Zakat, and his Lord was pleased with him.
(English - Mohsin Khan)




Yes, it was the Prophet (SA). He was being reminded the story of Ismael.



The 'scripture of Ismael' mentioned here is the story of Ismael as according to the Quran. Other translation of the Quran attest to this.

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention in the Book (the Quran) Isma'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention Ismail in the Book; surely he was truthful in (his) promise, and he was an apostle, a prophet.
(shakir)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
AND CALL to mind, through this divine writ, Ishmael. Behold, he was always true to his promise, and was an apostle [of God], a prophet,
(English - Mohd Asad)




The scripture of ismael mentioned as according to the context of the chapter is the Story of Ismael narratated in the Quran. Verse 56 also talked about the story of Idris and not yhe scripture given to Idris.

Now, is the story of Prophet Iddo written?



Revelation is slightly different from scripture, stop mixing the two together.

You dont have to mention me all the time.

truthman2012:

Your lies are great, even thought they do not hold water. You said the Scripture of Ishmael is his story told by the quran. What is a Scripture? The Torah is a Scripture and so is the Injeel and the Quran. Islamically speaking,Torah was given to Moses as a Scripture. Injeel to Jesus as a Scripture. Quran to Muhammad as a Scripture, right? Ishmael lived long before Muhammad and that was before the quran. Then, how can you say the revelations or Scripture allahh gave to Ishmael is the quran that had not existed in his time? Your statement is like saying the story of Moses told in the quran is the Torah and there is no Torah as a separate Scripture. Likewise the Injeel (Gospel), given to Jesus is the story of Jesus in the quran and no Gospel anywhere as a separate Scripture. All these were Scriptures existing long before the quran.

You must be a small boy with childish reasonings and nobody should take you seriously anymore.

SUMMARY OF YOUR DEFENCE: The Scripture of Ishmael who lived many years before the quran, which should have existed long before the quran is also the quran. What a trash!

Rilwon:


I have determine not to insult you again, being the fact that you are old enough to be my dad.. But, obviously, what you wrote up here shows that age is really affecting your reasoning. Perhaps as a result of those weed you smoked when you were of my age.

Now, I won't bother to type much, since you've refused to address my post as I have been addressin yours. Here is the verse again in 3 different translations.

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention [size=15pt] in the Book (the Quran) [/size] Isma'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
Also mention [size=15pt] in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: [/size] He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
AND CALL to mind, [size=15pt] through this divine writ, [/size] Ishmael. Behold, he was always true to his promise, and was an apostle [of God], a prophet,
(English - Mohd Asad)




Your opinion does'nt count sir



Where is the story of Prophet Iddo?

truthman2012:
@ mubarakopeyemi


1. ***Romans 9:13
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved,
but Esau I hated."

God as all-knowing who knows the end from the begining knew what Esau will become on earth because of freewill He gave to man. But He didn't order the people to kill him for hating him as allahh commaded the muslims to strike of the head of the unbelievers he hated.

4. *** For you are not a God who is
pleased with wickedness; with
you, evil people are not
welcome .

Yes, God is not pleased with wickedness and evil people. He wants them to repent and forsake their wicked and evil ways VOLUNTARILY. But records shows allahh will not allow unbelievers to repent VOLUNTARILY, he would force them and if they refuse to yield, muslims would strike of the neck.

5.*** The arrogant cannot stand in your presence. You hate all who do wrong;
God is not pleased with the arrogant and wrongdoer. But His love for them is in waiting for them for repentance and would wait for throughout their lives.

6. *** you destroy those who tell lies. The bloodthirsty and deceitful you, Lord, detest.

Firstly, David was a man who expressed his opinions in the Book of Psalms, it is not word directly from God. He was a king and not a prophet. Surely, God detests bloodshed if not in war situations because he said ''thou shall not kill''

The Book of Revelations makes us to know all liars shall be destroyed in the lake of fire.

mubarakopeyemi:


Stop perambulating.
Your God:
-actually hates Esau. Thanks I thought you said he is loving. Where the hate he has for esau builds from, I don't know. First Bullet on your foot.



Apply this same logic when talkin about Allah. Allah is Gafuur (the forgiving) Raheem (The merciful)
From your explanations above, it is very clear that you're an hypocrite.
This same logic u used in defending Yahweh, use it in the other instance stop being an hypocrite.
Remember when I quoted. Quran 1:1.-- In the name of Allah the Gracious, the Merciful. You said How can i believe Allah is gracious to infidels with his statements as I have cited earlier? that i need a lot of explaining to convince right-thinking persons.

Quran 40:1-3
1. Ha-Mim.
2. The revelation of the Book (this Qur'an) is from Allah the All-Mighty, the All-Knower.
3. The Forgiver of sin, the Acceptor of repentance, the Severe in punishment, the Bestower (of favours), La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), to Him is the final return.

Allah will forgive disbelievers if the repent and desist from evil. Allah's legacy and evil people or disbelievers or wrongdoers are not the same. evil and good aint the same. Good definitely will not like evil.

You haven't seen that part of the bible before if you have you wouldn't have said Yahweh is all loving. He hates evil people and wicked people.
Your God:
-is not pleased with wickedness; evil people are not welcome. Second Bullet on your foot.



Refer to what I said above. Third bullet on your foot.



I love this part because
1- you proved that something said in the bible was not directly said by God Thanks for acknowledging that that bible as a whole can never be the word of God. Historians Prophets and Individuals have their episodes in it too. You even made it clear that he was just a king and not a prophet . Cool the words of a king who is not a prophet in the supposed book of God It is allowed.

2- You actually accepted that Yahweh hates the bloodthirsty and the deceitful and that all liars shall be destroyed in the lake of fire another Bazooka to your foot

Yahweh love Yahweh love. Shiior


Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot several times. Na oversabi dey cos am

Your God:
-actually hates Esau
-is not pleased with wickedness; evil people are not welcome
-The arrogant cannot stand in his presence. He hates all who do wrong;
-He destroy those who tell lies. The bloodthirsty and deceitful you, Lord, detest.
-will destroyed all liers in the lake of fire.

Before u accuse and speak ill of others look at your feet and see whether or not it is neat.

You brought up verses in the Quran showing Allah (swt) does not love those who disbelieve in Allah, those who are unjust, etc... We both agree on this point as the verses explicitly states. Allah (swt) extends his love to everyone, and only those who cast aside Gods love are those who God does not love. So rather, God loves everyone, except those who decide to dismiss or reject his love. Satan would be the perfect example. God extended his love for satan when he was in heaven with the angels, but when Satan challenged and disobeyed God did God not love Satan. Another quick point I had to make is that even the bible shows that God did not love everyone. Romans 9:13, Psalms 5, etc... are good examples which I had shown to u.


PLEASE ANY OTHER ARGUEMENT?? U Shot yourself already.
Thnks

truthman2012:


Why are you shooting all the way? Why is islam all about shooting, beheading and bombing?

Your bullet cannot hit me, am covered with the blood of Jesus.

I am not expecting anything less from you. No deity can be more wicked than allahh and his sole prophet, Muhammad. He all his life as a muslim was warring, killing innocent souls he termed infidel after Jesus had stopped killings. Muhammad would sleep with the infidels' wives before their husbands before he would kill them(husbands).

He became stupendously rich looting infidels properties:

https://www.nairaland.com/2328538/omg-muhammad-men-super-rich

There was no type of sexual sins he didn't commit. Smh!!

mubarakopeyemi:


why do u resort to lying when u realized that you lost the arguement are u frustrated?
why the lies. it pains to feel you're d best and got beaten sorry daddy.

all these that u wrote above about Muhammad and Allah is false

let me tell u smtn u dont know.

you dont just attack people baselessly and senselessly. Apply logic, reason and most importantly sense.

thanks.

I see you are frustrated already. Rilwon abeg help me ooo. Before they kill me coz I dont accept the Yahweh of Israel as God oo.

truthman2012:


Trash!!!

Demmzy15:

Please charge and explain better.

tartar9:
seems like you spend more time with the Holy Qur'an than your bible

Rilwon:


Is that hard for you to do?


To clarify matters on this thread.




The google I checked said Isaac is a Prophet, and you say he is not. Now, please kindly search that same google and copy atleast 20prophets of the bible for us to see.

I believe that's not hard for you to do, is it?

truthman2012:


Good bro.

How can a prophet have the attributes mentioned in that biblical verse?

- A wild donkey

- His hand AGAINST everyone and everyone hand AGAINST him

- He shall dwell over AGAINST his kinsmen. Is this not the reason the Devil raised one of his descendants, Muhammad against the Jews and Christian?

malvisguy212:
first you ask me a question which I answer with a resounding YES , and you want me to explained ? Did you not read were I say " before Jeremiah was form in the womb , God chose him.God had already plan everything from the beginning before the world began, the plan of salvation, He knows the devil will capitalise on our weakness of freewill , that why He plan to save us through His son Jesus christ, If God had not love US, He wouldn't have care to save us.

Ok, now in conclusion, God loved everyone past, present and future?!

Demmzy15:

Ok, now in conclusion, God loved everyone past, present and future?!

malvisguy212:
you are very funny.

Answer na!

truthman2012:


Trash!!!

I don't mind, keep abusing me, it only shows how you were brought up. What is abuse compared to what islamic terrorists do worldwide? Don't stop it as am already used to it.

…all it a book, scripture or revelation, it doesn't make any difference. The fact that Ishmael lived before the quran shows whatever allahh gave him could not be the quran. He must have given him before the quran and we cannot find it, period.

I am begining to get tired of your false defensive system.

In your past false defences on various threads you said Christians mentioned in the quran were muslims. In another defence you said Muhammad fought the pagans because they broke treaty. Later you changed it again that it was not pagan but Romans. You believe you can defend islam telling all sorts of lies.

I want to reluctantly tell you to let me have your post you are shouting I have not responded to. I have once asked for it, yet you kept shouting.

Prophet Iddo? I have responded to that on this thread, I don't have to repeat myself.

mubarakopeyemi:


why do u resort to lying when u realized that you lost the arguement are u frustrated?
why the lies. it pains to feel you're d best and got beaten sorry daddy.

all these that u wrote above about Muhammad and Allah is false

let me tell u smtn u dont know.

I see you are frustrated already. Rilwo.n abeg help me ooo. Before they kill me coz I dont accept the Yahweh of Israel as God oo.