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Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jozzy4: 6:21am On Nov 07, 2015 |
johnw74: At underlined , Jesus is now the holyspirit |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 6:21am On Nov 07, 2015 |
ninovandross: Let me explain something for you. In the physical realm as we have the human race call man. In the spiritual real we have the spiritual race call God. As there are different human strater of authority so it is in the spirit. God is the highest race of spiritual beings. Other lower races exist. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 6:26am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Scholar8200: The son of God is not the almighty God as the Holy Spirit is not the son. The almighty God is the father of the son who declared to the son," this day have I begotten thee". If He call the gods unto who the word of God (adoption) came ... |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 6:30am On Nov 07, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Jesus was the only person God personally declared His son. We became sons of God by believing the declaration of Jesus. We are the sons of Adam not because we were born by Adam but because Adam's children gave birth to us. That is how it goes |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 6:36am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Aceed: Until you understand that Jesus who born you into the family of God lacked nothing the father has, you will die like men psalm 82:5-7. As the father begot Jesus so Jesus begot us. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 6:38am On Nov 07, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Were you created into being a child of God or begotten into the family of God? John 1:13 |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 6:39am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jozzy4: God beget through His word |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by johnw74: 6:43am On Nov 07, 2015 |
johnw74: Jozzy4: The clueless one puts his foot in it again, the Father is also Spirit - God is spirit. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jozzy4: 6:46am On Nov 07, 2015 |
soulpeppersoup:What does it mean that God beget ? God beget Jesus , tell us the process he used to beget Jesus ? |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jozzy4: 6:53am On Nov 07, 2015 |
johnw74: Okay , but what is Gods own spirit ? Holyspirit . The word ? Jesus . " the word can not be anything other than God's own spirit " |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by johnw74: 7:13am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Those who think the Holy Spirit is just a power can never know. 1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1Co_2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 7:24am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Aceed: Lol, your funny. The concept of God is spiritual not physical. Adam action didn't diminish your Godship as much as Jesus action affirmed it. Your not more of God now than you would have been if Adam didn't eat the fruit. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 7:26am On Nov 07, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Every child of God is omnipotent, omniscience and omnipresent like God His father. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 7:58am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Am not here to convince you but to show you truth, you can walk into it or walk out. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: Begot, beget etc all mean to give birth but the process the spirit give birth is not the same with flesh. Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Jesus has been existence with the father but became his son at the father declaration. Now how are we born into God's family? By the same declaration which now came through Jesus no more the son. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: This is how Jesus and we were born... of God (the word of God). John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jozzy4: 8:34am On Nov 07, 2015 |
johnw74: Of cos , no wonder the word /Jesus/ cannot be anything other than Gods own spirit /holyspirit/ , jesus is the holyspirit 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Scholar8200(m): 8:35am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jozzy4:I suppose it was an oversight but that place is Creature not Creation. who is the image of the invisible God, the [size=13pt]firstborn of every creature[/size][size=14pt]:[/size] 16 for by him were all things created The colon sign is used, inter alia, to introduce an explanation hence verse 16 was meant to explain the last statement in verse 15. (Rule 4. A colon ... may be used between independent clauses when the second sentence explains, illustrates, paraphrases, or expands on the first sentence. http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/colons.asp) Indeed every jot and tittle is important 1. Creation gave birth to no one. I am sure you really wish (and are trying hard to make) that passage says "born by creation" but it doesnt because that is erroneous. 2. Adam was described as the son of God in Luke yet nowhere was he called begotten/brought forth! Only Jesus is ever called the Begotten of the Father. Why the switching of words in the Bible - made and brought forth within the same passage (Proverbs 8.)? 3. In fact, that it says First Born and not First created should have laid the matter to rest long ago!!! Show me a place where it expressedly says the Father created/made the Son.
Revelations 3:14 Jesus said He is the Beginning of the Creation OF GOD. Avoid substituting words to suit your purpose. This one you just did now set this passage against Colossians 1:15,16 were Christ is revealed as He by Whom all things were made! Since you accept the words of Christ in Revelations, then Who alone can say this: 1. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelations 1:8 2. ..Fear not; I am the first and the last: Revelations 1:17b 3. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Revelations 22:13 ALL SPOKEN BY JESUS In the mouth of two or three witnesses, every Word shall be established. ^^^There you have 'em. The Father said same of Himself: And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Revelations 21:5,6a 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by johnw74: 9:37am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jozzy4: The Father is Spirit, so you say the Father is the Holy Spirit too, you say the Word and the Father is the Holy Spirit. Those who think the Holy Spirit is just a power can never know Him. 1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1Co_2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jozzy4: 9:49am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Scholar8200: The highlighted colored scripture pronounce Jesus as the beginning of THE CREATION of God ? Yes Or No |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Scholar8200(m): 9:53am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jozzy4:I wish you first deal with the issues I raised in that post you quoted (just like I did yours). Then an answer would be given to your question with respect to all the passages quoted in my post viz Revelations 3:14a=Colossians 1:15,16 |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 11:32am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jozzy4: The name of the God head shows their functions. The father; He over sees all. The son; came to reconcile man to God his father. The holy spirit; reveals to the reconciled man his right in God (his omnipotency, omnisciency and omnipresency) Non is the same. When Jesus was on earth the father spoke audibly, "this is my beloved son in whom am well pleased". This shows Jesus wasn't the father. When Jesus was on earth he said, " when I go I will send you the holy spirit". This shows Jesus is not the holy spirit since he can't send himself. The holy spirit is not the father, since the son can't send the father |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 11:44am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Jozzy4: The word of God is God's spirit. When God the father speak it carries his spirit, when Jesus speak it carries his spirit and when the holy spirit speaks it carries the holy spirit spirit. Man's words carries man spirit. Demonic words carries demonic spirit. Now when you speak the word of God you are invoking the spirit of the God head that spoke the word. Jesus became the word of God because God spoke it. Do you know what make a man good or bad is the words he hears and believe? And whatever you believe you become. You can become the word of God if you accept and believe it. Is no magic, its a spiritual principle. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by orisa37: 11:46am On Nov 08, 2015 |
Forget the Mohammedans' thinking. Islam knows the Truth, but when the Muhammedans think, they get confused when talking with Christians. The Christians also cajole a lot with the words of God in their mouths. We are talking about The Spirit Discipline here and not Science nor Arts. Jesus is son of man. Christ is Son of God. On The Throne of Grace, Christ, is the One who sits there and Jesus the Lamb of God that was bruised sits there also among the four living creatures which He used on earth. We are saying that God is Spirit and is capable of appearing anytime anywhere and anyhow in you and I. Even the Muslims know this and for this they refuse to blab on the way of men. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jessicha(f): 12:08pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Scholar8200: That show you are just a confuse person . |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Jessicha(f): 12:14pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Firstborn of creation is the beginning of d creation of God |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Scholar8200(m): 12:55pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
Jessicha:Thanks a lot. God bless. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Aceed: 2:50pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
soulpeppersoup: Yes, Adam's action didn't diminish it but we lost what would have proven us to be gods - DOMINION |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Aceed: 3:17pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
uboma: You can't really say that literally because He has been there since the beginning Jn 1:1 |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Aceed: 3:22pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: Ofcourse not! What would be the difference between our first parents and God if they had eaten from the tree of life? The difference would be in our respective authorities/domains; God will have supreme authority over everything(including us and the earth) but man will only have dominion on earth only. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 11:46am On Nov 10, 2015 |
Aceed: We are not less gods now that Adam was. Our problem is we don't believe in the capacity of who we are. We are caging the gods in us crying for expression |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Aceed: 7:51pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
soulpeppersoup: No matter how much we believe in who we are or how much we want to express ourselves, we can't still do nothing because we are under satanic bondage due to the fall and unless we go to Jesus we are no gods! |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by Nobody: 10:14pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
Aceed: What make us gods in the first place if not Jesus raising God back to live in us. |
Re: If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:01pm On Nov 13, 2015 |
Jessicha: You will have to first agree that Jesus was begotten and not created. Jessicha: Firstborn not firstcreated. 1 Like |
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