₦airaland Forum

joftech:
You are a liar if you are a Nigerian living in Nigeria and claimed not to be disadvantaged.

Let him explain. I fear though that his reality is so far removed from ours, that he does not live in Nigeria, not even in Nairaland, but rather in fantasy-land

And what's so difficult to believe about that?

I think I solved the great problem of whether to use the "Many worlds" or "Quantum Mind". Now I am convinced that the "Many Worlds" should be it.

And what's so difficult to believe about that?

I know you will belief that, you know i have told you that before.

How can someone be laying claims to what's generally not possible.

Some people are so gullible sha.

Joftech,

We are in this world, but some of us are not of this world. We operate from a heavenly kingdom.

Whatsoever is born of God overcommeth the World!!

donnie:
Joftech,

We are in this world, but some of us are not of this world. We operate from a heavenly kingdom.

Whatsoever is born of God overcommeth the World!!

Beyond reproach, beyond inquiry, beyond accountability, beyond rationality.

that sums it up, doesn't it?

It's a miracle

chrisd:
It's a miracle

And that only by assertion. It truly is a miracle

It will be foolhardy for anyone to be claiming he is oblivious to the things going on in the land.

All these yeye claims that one is not operating in the world are mere symptoms of acute indoctrination by some people that are more or less cult leaders.

joftech:
I know you will belief that, you know i have told you that before.

How can someone be laying claims to what's generally not possible.

Some people are so gullible sha.

Boy, I haven't said I believe him, neither have I said I don't. The point I was trying to make there was why would you be so quick to call someone a liar when you don't even know him from anywhere? Do you know the type of life he lives?

if i didn't know better, it almost sounds like the stuff those islamic terrorists say about marrying a '100 virgins' when they get to 'paradise'

What type of life is anyone living that make them to be blind to the sufferings, injustice, manmade air-crahses, arsons and thousands of uncountable hardships besieging everyone in this country.

A well known woman pastor was killed in an air-crash in this country due to the carelessness of some people still you are all still telling me you are all immune to all the difficulties.

Does he think his the power of his tithe that's safeguading/protectin him from sufferings. At least am sure (that's why i asked if he lived in Nigeria) he would have lament on the poor service by NEPA in one or two occasion(s). So is he immune to being disadvantaged,

We all should know how not to think we are not suffering. Most Nigerians/ Church goers are suffering from [url http://www.sniggle.net/stock.php]Stockholm syndrome[/url] [urlhttp://www.yahoodi.com/peace/stockholm.html#isthes](more about it here)[/url], they are now enjoyin their hardship which has made them to be oblivious to their immediate surrounding.

Brother wake up from false doctrine of not being in this world. It's all a lie.

Even Jesus Christ ask God to take away the "cup" (i.e. suffering and pain) on the cross. So is Jesus not operating from heaven.

What is your anger about now?

Are you angry that i am not complaining like you are. My friend i am living above this world and its systms through God's Word. It will only take God's Spirit to open up your mind to understand that. This is the divine life i have been talking about.This is the secret place of he most high God... this is the REST of God. It is not of this world. It is found in Christ alone.

Jesus saw beyond the suffering, he was not afraid to die...afterall that was why He came. He did not want to be seperated from the father whom he loved so much (and who does not behold iniquity) by taking on the sins of the world. But it happend. He died for us, he was buried for us, he went to hell for us, but came out alive and victorious triumphing over death and all the co-horts of hell and gave us the victory.

So my friend, it is impossible for me to live in defeat after this great price has been paid.

I have said my own, any right thinking person not suffering from Stockholm syndrome will be able to see what am saying here.

I know the truth (which the Bible ask us to seek) hence i can never be a 21st Century slave or hardliner for someone who will be crusining in air-conditioned SUV while i go about under the scorching sun. God forbid.

I live and receive God's blessing simply because of God's mercy on me, not on my self-proclaimed righteousness or tithe payingness.

well this how to tithe

Deut 14:26 (NAS) "And you may spend the money for whatever your heart desires, for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household."

money is not the only thing to tithe with as Pastors now make us believe mumu go fall mugu
me I know my way

For sure we need psychopathologist to handle some people. They are no longer in this world. They may be suffering from psychosis. Even the Bible they claimed to be the voice  of their own God made it clear

Typewriter:
well this how to tithe

Deut 14:26 (NAS) "And you may spend the money for whatever your heart desires, for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household."

money is not the only thing to tithe with as Pastors now make us believe mumu go fall mugu
me I know my way

psychosis is the loss of contact with reality: a psychiatric disorder such as schizophrenia or mania that is marked by delusions, hallucinations, incoherence, and distorted perceptions of reality, Only psychologist can explain better.

Why doesn't your pastor just ask the people to contribute toward paying the church expenses? I can tell you why. A few do, but most don't. And why is that? It is because those who teach false doctrines to exact money illegally from their congregation don't have faith to trust their people to contribute voluntarily out of love. They only know how to teach the Old Testament laws, which are carnal, and therefore don't know how to teach the New Testaments laws, which are SPIRITUAL.

Most pastors see two options:

1. Teach that people will be cursed if they don't tithe ten percent of their annual salaries,

2. Trust God in faith to provide the money from voluntary gifts given from the heart.

If, in reality, trusting would bring in more money than pronouncing curses, no one would ever hear a sermon on tithing again, anywhere on earth. And if anyone suggested to any of these same pastors that tithing is an Old Testament law that Christians must keep or be cursed, those same pastors would ridicule you to scorn for ever suggesting such an obvious unscriptural doctrine that is not binding on New Testament Christians.

They will do whatever brings in the most money. And it is a proven fact, unscriptural threats of curses for no tithing, and blessings for tithing brings in more money than trusting the people, in faith, to supply the needs of the Church.

"And the Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess" (Luke 18:12).

And just what kind of a blessing did Jesus pronounced on this Pharisee for his "tithe"?

No blessing, no justification

Tithing to Jesus was so absolutely insignificant to the gross sins of failing to properly Judge the widows and orphans and fatherless and poor, and to not show any Love of God toward them. Tithing was the smallest most inconsequential thing Christ could think of to show the utter hypocrisy of this Pharisees. They were very meticulous about tithing (a law of virtually no spiritual consequence what so ever), and yet they would do the tithe thing and neglect judgment, love and mercy.

Christ's attention to the fact that they were both meticulous tithe-payers, proved the hypocrisy of these two Pharisees. They would pay strict attention to very miner details of a law, and yet totally ab

The New Testament teachings on giving are unpretentiously simplistic involving the heart and not some law:

"...freely ye have received, freely give" (Matt. 10:8b).

joftech:
I live and receive God's blessing simply because of God's mercy on me, not on my self-proclaimed righteousness or tithe payingness.

You're right here.  So many people who don't pay tithes are very comfortable today.  It's not the payment of the tithe that makes God bless you, rather, it's how willingly your heart gives to the annointed of God.  Afterall, we have a lot of people who spend their life savings on the church but are no different from the church mouse.  It's not your money God wants.  God just loves a cheerful giver.  

Look at this verse: (Malachi 3: 10)

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

See that text in bold. That seems to be the confusion, hence, the controversy.

The New Testament teachings on giving are unpretentiously simplistic involving the heart and not some law:

"...freely ye have received, freely give" (Matt. 10:8b).


Those are not the words of Moses or Malachi or Paul or whoever else. Those are the exact words of Jesus, the exact words of God himself.
So if one wants to be scriptural, go all the way.

That is the truth.

Chrisd, we're saying the same thing here. "Freely ye have received, freely give". I don't believe there are pastors who force one to pay tithes. What I know they do is "encourage".

Yes what is that your name again? Why do you want to know my name?

Was not directing that to you goodguy, to the other fellow You should come to LONDON and hear for yourself. They tell you even that you are sinning and go to Hell if you don't give your money. It goes to the surreal.

Is this not a case of psychosis for some to claim that


"We are in this world, but some of us are not of this world. We operate from a heavenly kingdom."
  Same is the case that if you do not pay your tithe GOD will not.......

That because he pays his tithe regularly he is so rich ........?

Stealing by method.

It's not your money God wants. God just loves a cheerful giver.

There u go again. Is it GOD that want the money or that the money is to be used by the Church.

God does not want your money. But it touches His heart deeply to see you give freely to his annointed (pastors/men of God), hence, the statement:

"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse... if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. "

But then, a lot of people have mistaken God for a trader. 'Buy one, get one free'.

tithe is for the don't haves to eat from the haves( the pastors now claim all to their bank and say God as them to collect tithe

the bible said the Lord will choose a place where the Tithe will be taken to and all will assamble and feast, eat drink strong wine(whiskey etc) so is a kind of people that have know food and source of income that will be invited to the feast of tithe. not pastors taking it and banking it read the bible and stop preching what your pastors said the bible was not writhing by them.


22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.
24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose.
26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice.
27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

First of all in levitical law tithing nobody tithed money. They tithed crops and livestock. What we have going on in most churches today is called the wage earner tithe(this is what is being discussed and debated about on this board) meaning 10% of ones gross income which is totally unscriptural both old and new testament. The modern day wage earner tithe is a 5th century invention which was designed to fleece Gods people in order to pay for fancy BUILDINGS. Anyone(preacher, pastor, five fold ministry gift etc.) that teaches that God requires his people to tithe in order to be blessed, go to heaven etc. is just outright lying or doesn't know any better. Those that do know better and still insist that tithing 10% of ones income is mandatory(you know the Malachi 3 version) are in serious danger of hellfire IMHO. Invoking curses on God's people is a very grave and serious matter and you know that all sorcerers shall have their part in the lake of fire.

That reminds me what Bishop  use to say as follows

"The Word of God?"This is the word of the Lord"That is the liturgical phrase used in Christian churches to mark the end of a reading from the Bible. It is a strange, even a misleading, phrase. Yet Sunday after Sunday it is repeated, reinforcing in the psyches of worshipers a rather outdated attitude toward Holy Scripture.In many of its details, the Bible is simply wrong! Epilepsy is not caused by demon possession. David did not write the Psalms. The earth is not the center of the universe. On other issues of great public concern, the Bible is no longer even regarded as moral. Its verses have been used to affirm war, slavery, segregation and apartheid. It defines women as inferior creatures ."   

  What? yes it is like the tithe case extracted  out of context , yet It is from the word of God

Chrisd,

Please understand, we have different kinds of congregations. Some of them are full of babes  while others are full of growing healthy mature christains.

In our church, we do not argue whether or not to pay tithes. It is not an issue for contention. We have gone past that level. We have people come up to give big time towards church projects without much begging. We have mature sons of consolation amongst us who know hat they are in partnership with the Lord Jeusus Christ.

Of course we do not pay tithes in abedience to any law. We pay tithes in accordance with the life of faith that we have recieved.

Why worry about tithe paying if you have made up your mind not to pay? Or is the obedience of others any trouble to you.

The pators and members alike pay tithes. In our church the tithes are not for the pastor's consumption but according to the scriptures, they are for the Lord.

Majority of our pastors do not recieve salaries from the church so it will be wrong to  accuse them of fraudulently intepreting God's Word for personal gain.

To the rest of you who have rained insults on me. No offence at all. I only take Solace in the Words of Jesus:

John 15

18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

And in Jesus' intercessory prayer:

John 17

14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world 15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it . 17Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

Then he mentions my name ...Oh Halleluyah

    20[b]"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message[/b], 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me,   [i]

Oh how can i be disadvantaged and in distress when Jesus gave me his glory?!

[i]that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Oh Halleluyah. Jesus wants the world to know that God loves his children as much as He loves Him.

24"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

Oh my... you know what? this isn't refering to heaven. This is talking about Zion. Jesus is refering to a place at the right hand of God. That place of authority...where you rule and reign with God ...Glory!

That is why i say....I am not of this World!

I love ya all!!