@Mukina i dey feel women pain more than u can imagine, even cry when i see women been molested mostly in CONGO

@Lagosboy, wallahi in d city of makkah i saw a woman driving jeep, i tell u dis media are distorting our image, too bad

But i believe some tribe are too holy which may be said to be extremist and islam is against extremism

whao i diddnt know women were that restrained in the middle east. . .i hope our northern breathren wont start copying

@dominique
They do worse than that in the north.believe me

mukina2:

Please do @ lagos boy
Question Number 2,

Why are divorced or single women discriminated

I am not sure single women are discrimnated upon but i know that of divorced women and again, this is also cultutral as divorced women are looked down upon even in yourba culture and for example in afghanistan men do not divorce htier wives unless they commit adultery. If a man divorces his wife , the whole community would look down on that woman even though the reason for divorce is not adultery. Its all about culture.

Divorce is allowed in islam as islam is a practical religion and we do not make the vow "till death do us part" as we cannot see into the future. Thousands of people make that vow and still divorce so it is as good as useless.
If the prophet could marry a divorced woman then anyone can and divroced women are not to be looked down upon in the society.

N.B Where are all the sisters as it is only mukinah contributing to this thread. Where is Ayinba,zayhal, dominique,riskie,uplawal, and a host of others.

Lagos boy
whats ur take on females visiting the cemetry?

What a question, it is haram, even if it will take them to visit it they will only stand at the gate, i visited the Baqiya cemetry were many sahabs were buried i got nside boldly but coming out with tears
when i got to the gate because hundred of women were buisy sreaming and crying and weeping which made me to fall a victim too, crying for a deceased is menacing dead,i then nod my head that the prophet was right,

This is another Fatawa amaria section , This very intresting watch out 4 my contribution i pledgs !!

In Support of Niqabi Sisters

For all the fuss about whether niqab is fard, there is no dispute over the fact that niqab is part of Islam, mustahabb, and SUNNA. A sister will not be punished for not wearing niqab as long as she covers everything but her face and hands around non-mahram men; however, she will definitely be rewarded for wearing niqab! Whether or not you as a sister feel that niqab is for you, you should encourage and support those of your sisters who wear niqab for the sake of Allah SWT.

Who said it was not right?

who said they will not encourage those who do it?


Abuzola
hmm i think you are referring to the burial ceremony, women cannot witness the burial ceremony.

Ceremony ? thats funny, is even burial ceremony allowed in islam, am talking of visiting d ceremony

Oustass

i meant the whole thing, going to the mosque and taking to the cemetry. please do not take my 'ceremony' to where it didnt go

it is not permissible for them from mosque to cemetry, d only conduct permissible is washing of the deceased,

In islam our women have a right to keep their fathers name after marriage, our women when they work have a right to keep the whole of their income and the husband still has to provide for her needs from her headscarf to the dressing of the toe nails and finger nails.

Our women have several rights over the husband and many men dont know we offend God through our women in various ways particularly injustice to her and treating her unfairly. A muslim man has to be loving to his wife as Allah says in the quran 30 v 21 "And from among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who refle"

One thing i will want us to note here is the arabic is " wa min ayatihi an khalaqa laqum min anfusikum azwaja litaskunnu ilaiha wa ja'ala baiynakum mawwaddatan wa rahamahtan . . . . . . "

Love in arabic is Hubb but in this verse Allah did not use Hubb as in"muhabbatan" but Allah used mawwadatan which is a higher degree of love hence the verse was translated as affection and not love. Mawwaddatan is from one of Allah's 99 names which is Al Waddud (mostly translated as The loving but it is stronger than love".

Such is the kind of affection expected between a man and his babygirl. If there is this affection then there will be mercy which is the next thing Allah says he will put between a man and his sweetheart. With these two things there will be no room of injustice and maltreatment in human context. A man that mistreats his wife and vice versa obviously doesnt have enough knowledge and the knowledge i mean here is the knowledge that leads one to fear Allah.

Love is important in a muslim marriage and the verse above highlights that it is Allah that puts this love in the hearts of his slaves. If any married woman or man is not experiencing true love between thmeslelves they should always recite this ayah as foerever will be true the words of the Almighty.

Wallahu a'lam

mukina2:

Lagos boy
whats ur take on females visiting the cemetry?

Sorry Mikina2 seems my eyes ignored your question

Well visiting of the grave i will have to differ with my bro Abuzola.

Like i always say about differnces of opinion ,there is a difference of opinion among scholars on this issue and I will explain.

In the eary period of islam the prophet forbade anyone from going to the graves and this was because islam was new and tawheed hasnt sunk deeply into the hearts of the muslims. There was a fear of the new muslims associating paganistic rituals of grave worship with islam.

However in the latter part of islam the prophet said "In the past I have forbidden you from visiting graves, but now you may do so, for it might remind you of the next world.” (Reported by Ibn Majah)

Notice the prophet never distinguished between men and women on this issue.

The scholars that oppose women going to the graves believes this hadith relates only to men and hold on to another hadith to butress their point "Allah has cursed women who frequent graves for visitation.” (Reported by At-Tirmidhi)

This hadith however the scholars that permit women visiting graves stated that this particular hadith is aimed at women who frequent the graves like the pagan arabs to wail, lament and cry frequently as it was a practise the pagan arab women used to idulge in. These scholars cited another hadith to butress their point "The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) passed by a woman who was crying by a grave. He said, 'Fear Allah and be patient.'" (Reported by Bukhari and Muslim). The permissibility is understood, as the fuqaha tell us because he did not forbid her from visiting the grave, and had it been unlawful it would have been obligatory for the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to forbid her.

Several scholars like Imam Qurtubi, Imam ibn Hajar al asqalani and a host of others permitted women to visit graves based on the Ahadeeth above. In the Hanafi school it is also allowed fo rwomen to visit graves as long as all the normal etiqettes of islam is in place like proper dressing and so on.

Personally I hold on to the opinion of women allowed to visit graves from the Ahadeeth above.

Wallahu a'lam

N.B Abu zola have you come across these ahadeeth before?

Lagosboy:

N.B Abu zola have you come across these ahadeeth before?

Yap, but like said opinon differs, there are also set of hadiths that do not encourage it
Allah knows best

Abuzola:

Allah knows best

jazakallah khair

Sure Wallahu a'lam bro

Let me elaborate my point for the benefit of viewers., sahih bukhari hadith number 629: from umm 'atiya (mother of atiya) who said 'we were forbidden to accompany the funeral proceesions but not lstrictly" note: forbidde' though am not disputing lagosboy but to let u know why i hold on my word

Lagosboy:

Sorry Mikina2 seems my eyes ignored your question

Well visiting of the grave i will have to differ with my bro Abuzola.

Like i always say about differnces of opinion ,there is a difference of opinion among scholars on this issue and I will explain.

In the eary period of islam the prophet forbade anyone from going to the graves and this was because islam was new and tawheed hasnt sunk deeply into the hearts of the muslims. There was a fear of the new muslims associating paganistic rituals of grave worship with islam.

However in the latter part of islam the prophet said "In the past I have forbidden you from visiting graves, but now you may do so, for it might remind you of the next world.” (Reported by Ibn Majah)

Notice the prophet never distinguished between men and women on this issue.

The scholars that oppose women going to the graves believes this hadith relates only to men and hold on to another hadith to butress their point "Allah has cursed women who frequent graves for visitation.” (Reported by At-Tirmidhi)

This hadith however the scholars that permit women visiting graves stated that this particular hadith is aimed at women who frequent the graves like the pagan arabs to wail, lament and cry frequently as it was a practise the pagan arab women used to idulge in. These scholars cited another hadith to butress their point "The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) passed by a woman who was crying by a grave. He said, 'Fear Allah and be patient.'" (Reported by Bukhari and Muslim). The permissibility is understood, as the fuqaha tell us because he did not forbid her from visiting the grave, and had it been unlawful it would have been obligatory for the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to forbid her.

Several scholars like Imam Qurtubi, Imam ibn Hajar al asqalani and a host of others permitted women to visit graves based on the Ahadeeth above. In the Hanafi school it is also allowed fo rwomen to visit graves as long as all the normal etiqettes of islam is in place like proper dressing and so on.

Personally I hold on to the opinion of women allowed to visit graves from the Ahadeeth above.

Wallahu a'lam

N.B Abu zola have you come across these ahadeeth before?

This is incredible.

Are u saying islamic laws and norms were just decided by mohammed as he pleases and not from allah?

So one day mohammed decided that muslim women could not visit the grave, then on another day he decided they could. I find this ridiculous.

Lagosboy who is mikina

Noetic am sure you read the title right?

do not turn this into one of the battle zone threads

thanks

mukina2:

Lagosboy who is mikina

thanks

Thats the new name i have given you ;

Also i forgot to quote the hadith if Aisha visiting the grave of her brother Abdul Rahman and also the grave of the prophet PBUH. If Aisha could RA then any woman could.

Mikina2 Hope your clear on this issue now

if you call me mikina once more .i'll marry you off to TOH and Osisi

mukina2:

Lagosboy who is mikina

Noetic am sure you read the title right?

do not turn this into one of the battle zone threads

thanks

whats the meaning of this? when did i loose my right to ask questions?

what EXACTLY in ur last 2 posts relates to the topic?

mukina2:

if you call me mikina once more .i'll marry you off to TOH and Osisi

You want osisi husband to behead me? Maybe osisi will like bigamy though as she doesnt like polygamy

Abeg just ignore that dude no need replying him as it will just turn to another fight

call me mukina if you do not want them on you


On the grave thing i do go there oh.

@lagosboy, the light of Allah just illuminated my heart and my brain just now, therefore with all due respect i say 'Women going to funeral is forbidden' and my word is supported by the hadith i gave earlier on, u misquote sister mukina. post, her question was on funeral (from the mosque to the cemetry) check out her post again to comfirm, your reply on her post was that of women visiting the grave and not funeral,

naa my question was for visiting the cemetery
i do visit the cemetery, most Sundays early in the morning .

Visiting the cemetry is permissible, go check ur last post regarding the question for thats what u say or have u forgotten so soon

I am talking on visiting the cemetry/graves is same thing. Aisha visited the grave of her borther, The prophet lifted the ban on visiting of the graves, the prophet saw a woman at the grave and never asked her not to go there again. All these hadeeth btress the aguement of the scholars who permit it.

Abuzola:

Let me elaborate my point for the benefit of viewers., sahih bukhari hadith number 629: from umm 'atiya (mother of atiya) who said 'we were forbidden to accompany the funeral proceesions but not lstrictly" note: forbidde' though am not disputing lagosboy but to let u know why i hold on my word

Accompanying funeral procession is different from visiting of the cemetry. The pagans use to accompany the processions with professional wailers and cryers.

Mukina2  you could visit the cemetry and reflect on the life after death.

@abuzola if you meant accomopnying the body from the mousque to the cemetry in a march i am not sure of that but a woman could be present at the time the body is being lowered into the ground and she could say dua on the dead as well.

Wallahu a'lam

Abuzola:

Visiting the cemetry is permissible, go check ur last post regarding the question for thats what u say or have u forgotten so soon

alihamdulilah we agreed on this my bro

Ok Abuzola and lagosboy

cuz me i know i visit there