gen2genius:

I've always known that one of the worst symptons of bigotry is beclouded reasoning and sometimes (e.g in this case) partial blindness.
If you had not been bigoted, you would have seen that I said it clearly that most of the evil things you attributed to God were not caused by him. You thought you were discrediting my claims but you only ended up supporting them and contradicting yourself. Just as you said,
Which of these can be attributed to God? Is it God that said a husband should be unfaithful, that a lady be raped, that a priest be shot, that people should have accidents, or that people should be killed during holocaust? What exactly are you rambling about?  Lawd have mercy!

then who would you attribute the death of the sick cancer patients to? shall we blame it on cancer? oh no, i have a better idea, why dont we blame it on satan.
the sick aids babies? the rape victims? all satans fault

god only listen to people who insults him and punishes them, all the innocent christian  people who die are not his fault and his concern. he doesnt want to deal with the prayers of all the innocent people who beg him for life and STILL DIE, he wants to ONLY deal with the people who are against his words.

i like the way you think:
people who insult god die untimely and they do so because that was the will of god[b] but[/b] all the innocent christians who pray and stand by god who die untimely due to another persons stupidity is not god fault and he has absolutely nothing to do with it.
then why doesnt god protect his children from these evil being? i am sure he can do that with his mighty powers
why doesnt god protect all the children abused by all the pedophiles around the world? i am sure he can do that with his mighty powers
why doesnt god cure all the innocent sick children around the world? i am sure he can do that with his mighty powers
why dont god save that poor girls all over the word from being raped? i am sure he can do that with his mighty powers

if god can "punish" people who speak against him then he could surely use "his powers" to save his good christian innocent children.
or is there something missing i should know?!
here is some reading from your bible(i guess all the sick christians, aids victims, rape victims etc should just disregard it as i am not sure they fell into that bracket):

[b]He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.

I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress,
my God, in whom I trust."

Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare
and from the deadly pestilence.

He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

You will not fear the terror of night,
nor the arrow that flies by day,

nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
nor the plague that destroys at midday.

A thousand may fall at your side,
ten thousand at your right hand,
but it will not come near you.

You will only observe with your eyes
and see the punishment of the wicked.

If you make the Most High your dwelling—
even the LORD, who is my refuge-

then no harm will befall you,
no disaster will come near your tent.

For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

You will tread upon the lion and the cobra;
you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

"Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him;
I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

He will call upon me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble,
I will deliver him and honor him.

With long life will I satisfy him
and show him my salvation."

Psalm 91[/b]

More expose on the life of the "holy" prophet   

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231: 

Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3373: 

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported:

We took women captives, and we wanted to do 'azl with them. We then asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born 



On the matter of having sex with multiple partners,   Imam Ghazali writes (ref.7, p.368):

It has been narrated in a gharib Tradition that the messenger of God said, "I have complained to Gabriel that I would like more strength when having intercourse with my wives, and he instructed me to eat harisa, " then you should know that he had nine wives, and he was obliged to satisfy them all, and that no one was permitted to marry them after his death, or even if he divorced them; his request for strength was therefore for this, and not for enjoyment.

"Prophet" requesting for SEXUAL strength, not spiritual strength!!

@gen2genius,
I will leave answering your off-point responses to the thread- starter. But let me just say that Prophet Muhammed did not 'found' Islam. Belief in only one God has been practised since time immemorial.
And please answer what Mr brownjay posted, stop 'googling' up and down looking for mud to sling at the muslims. If you want to talk about the hadiths you posted, start a new thread. If you do not have a response what is related to the topic of discussion, dont post anything.

Sorry, I can't start another thread because mukina2, a muslim, (and[b] not[/b] AKO) is the one moderating both the "religion" and "Islam" forums (See the ID of the person who wrote "rules and regulations for religion forum" and you'll understand better). And each time an "anti-Islam" thread appears, it is quickly deleted. Search the religion forum and check how many are against Christians and the Bible, you'll find many, especially by Abuzola and co. But check if there are topics against Islam. I doubt if you'd find any. Does it mean Christians have not been starting such threads? No. In fact, I started one today but it disappeared the next minute. So the only option we have is this

And I doubt if you know what you're talking about when you said Islam was not founded by Muhammed and that people had been having a normal religion before Muhammed came. Can you tell me the name of the religion? Are people who practise this religion without accepting Islam recognised by God? And why is it that Muhammed said only people who accept his teachings will go to heaven and those who reject it should be killed?

And why did Muslims go on killing and burning spree when the cartoons of Muhammed appeared? Would they have done so if they had not attached something to his personality? Would they have done that if it was just any other Muslim that was concerned. Abeg, don't think you can fool anyone with your empty rhetorics!

As for MrBrown, his headache is not just with Christians but with believers in God in general. So the issue is beyond my domain lol


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Sorry for the needless distraction, my good people. Here's more "tory" about our "prophet"

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to handle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

Sahih Muslim Book 3, Number 0629:

    'A'isha reported: I and the Messenger (may peace be upon him) took a bath from the same vessel and our hands alternated into it in the state that we had had sexual intercourse.

Can we ever imagine how an over fifty years old man could handle his pre-teen wife during her menstrual cycle! By the way, the meaning of Junub is sexual defilement, that is, the state after having sex.

If you thought that marrying a girl of six years old and having sex with her when she turns nine is too much to digest then there is more surprise for you!

In the Sirat Rasul, we read the incredible story that Muhammad, himself, wanted to marry a crawling baby girl a few years before his death. This happened after he married A'isha. The following citation is from the book of Sirat Rasul Allahby Ibn Ishak, the most authentic biographer of Muhammad (pbuh) Most other biographies are based on this monumental work by Ibn Ishak/Ibn Hisham:

(Suhayli, ii.79: In the riwaya of Yunus I.I recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu'l-Fadl) when she was baby crawling before him and said, 'If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.' But he died before she grew up and Sufyan b. al-Aswad b. Abdu'l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubaba, (ref.10, p. 311)

javalove

stop pretending you're using the bible to cover as justification for your porn addiction.

whatever dirty and perverted lifestyle you're practicing- bible no send you message oh.

small time now you'll sleep with snake and goat then say you found it in the bible.

You be Muslim- wetin concern you with bible.

@gen2genius, mrbrownjay was responding to what YOU posted. He brought points to contradict what YOU said. If you cannot respond to his contradictions, say so. Stop avoiding replying to his post with your claim about his having problems with believers, and not just you.
About your questions (I just have to derail, thanks to your not agreeing to start a new thread);
you said I should name some 'normal religion' that I mentioned.
Where on earth did you see 'normal religion' in my post? I said Prophet Muhammed (SAW) did not found Islam. It has always existed. Islam means submission to the will of Allah. Allah Is called God in the English language. Right from time, the only religion that was preached by the prophets of God were religions that preached total submission to God's Will. Submission through obedience which involves doing whatever He commands, beliefs in His revelations, and generally worshipping Him through any means He orders. Thats what I meant when I said Islam has existed since time immemorial.
Secondly, Prophet Muhammed (SAW) said that only those who accept his teachings are on the right path. True. This was for the people who were alive after Islam was revealed, not before. Those who existed before Islam was revealed were supposed to follow the teachings regarding how to carry out the religion, of the prophets who came in their time, and these teachings were those that were best suited to the period/time they lived in. The teachings of Prophet Muhammed, on the other hand, have been mentioned in the Qur'an to be suitable for all the generations that were to come after him, that is why after he came, the only accepted teachings/methods involved in practising Islam were the ones he brought.
Lastly, about the Danish cartoon; ask those who were involved in the killings for the reasons why they did what they did. Dont ask me. Shuo?

You're confused. 

God back to page 1 and see the proof and cover your face in shame. It wasn't my post MRBrown responded to (It was princekevo's). I was the one that responded to his post based on what he said to princekevo and that has been the focus of our debate.

^^^^Have you read post number 32 in this thread? Who did Mrbrownjay quote before he replied?
Abegi.
If you dont want to reply him (maybe because you see what he means) say so.

Labbaikallah huma, Hadith is not our Holy book, for sure it contains descrepancy and contradiction except our belove Holy Quran, about killing unbelievers the Quran set out condition that except you are attack first or oppress

Quran 2:190
And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truely Allah likes not the transgressors.

gen2genius:

And how do you expect minors to read these without becoming assassins and terrorists:

Quran 8.65:: "O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight".

Q 9.123: "Fight the unbelievers around you and let them find harshness in you".

Q4:84 "Fight in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you"

Q 2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), even if you dislike it".

Q 47:4 "Smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding them".

Q 8.12 "Smite infidels on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."

How does this promote peace (remember islam is PISS?) love and unity among humans?

And these people claim to be worshipping God?

Shameless kettles calling the pot black

Please provide the context for the above quotations and u wud be shocked that u are the fool. . .

And u are shameless. . .all u r doing is trying to turn the table around cos quoting from the quran doesnt justify why there are X-Rated verses in the Holy B

tpia.:

javalove

stop pretending you're using the bible to cover as justification for your porn addiction.

whatever dirty and perverted lifestyle you're practicing- bible no send you message oh.

small time now you'll sleep with snake and goat then say you found it in the bible.

You be Muslim- wetin concern you with bible.

i'm not a pron addict. . . but doesnt it bother u that the book u claim is from God Almighty. . . contains X-Rated sturvz. . .this is what yoruba people call AGIDI ON A KENTROO LEVEL!!!!

Why quote Hadiths that you can't even prove its authenticity? Have you forgotten we have criterias for authenticating Hadiths? Anybody could come here and quote some mowdoo(fake) hadiths, we don't have one remember? Please tel me the last time me or whenever any muslim quote a bible here that's different from your book? If you are faulting the Hadith, i'm sorry we also fault it at times. The only muslim book that is totally free from errors remains the Qur'an. Which is the Christians?

Don't mind them jare, am boastful and proud to show my beard like bin laden, en ! Enemy must vex tire turn red come burst. Quran mwah, a pure book,

Oh Holy Quran , what a lovely book full of wonders. So pur and so true , free from contradiction. What God says he will do , he does . He has protected the Quran all these while. Allahu Akbar

Perfectly

javalove:



i'm not a pron addict. . . but doesnt it bother u that the book u claim is from God Almighty. . . contains X-Rated sturvz. . .this is what yoruba people call AGIDI ON A KENTROO LEVEL!!!!

yes you're a porn addict- stop lying. People with an addiction always deny they have one unless they want to quit.

what you are is what you see.

How many passages are in the bible? You dont want to notice the verses on salvation, sin and prayer. For some reason, the only ones you focus on are things you think mention perversion and sex.

Come on, this isnt rocket science.

when you sleep with snake nobody send you message oh.

you deliberately quote the Bible out of context

The bible is already a book who is out of the context of reality. So your accusation is wrong.

Tpiah, why not embrace the true religion of monetheism, the god that never die on the cross, the god that never die with thieves. Allah the Exalted

Abuzola:

Tpiah, why not embrace the true religion of monetheism, the god that never die on the cross, the god that never die with thieves. Allah the Exalted

cant relate with that.

I need a God who knows the meaning of weakness and can help me through my own.

Yeah i can assure you of that

@tpia, whether we call to propagate Islam or not, it will forever remain. Afterall it has been passing the tests of time. Islam meaning Submission is the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses n ol the past prophets (may the Peace of Allah be upon them all). Nobody will kill you whether or not you accept Islam. What was the religion of the past Prophets of God before Jesus? If you stop campaigning for your religion today, will it survive knowing that nobody will be dogmatised? I invite you to the religion of Jesus; submission to the onenness of God (John 17:3). Islam is beautiful, you don't need be told!

Can u imagine jesus married a prostitute, mary magdalene, the verse were among the numerous verses talking of muhammad that were rejected in Rome

Tpia,
God can do whatever He wants effortlessly. He can bring about whatever He wants immediately/instantly, not after passing through the rigors human pass through to accomplish things.
God does not need to be a human being to understand human beings.
Analogy; a person who designs and makes cars knows what the cars can withstand and what they cannnot handle. He does not have to turn into one of those cars to know what is right or wrong for them because he has already designed them to have some things favour them and others, not.
Also, you would agree that God being very Merciful, is not a tyrant, neither is He oppressive or unjust, yet He understands human beings enough to know that behaviours like that should not prevail among them. He knows them even more than they know themselves, He created them. He doesn't have to turn into a human being to understand human weakness.
God never came to die on earth or to be weak in order to understand how we feel.

Tpia,
God can do whatever He wants effortlessly. He can bring about whatever He wants immediately/instantly, not after passing through the rigors human pass through to accomplish things.
God does not need to be a human being to understand human beings.
Analogy; a person who designs and makes cars knows what the cars can withstand and what they cannnot handle. He does not have to turn into one of those cars to know what is right or wrong for them because he has already designed them to have some things favour them and others, not.
Also, you would agree that God being very Merciful, is not a tyrant, neither is He oppressive or unjust, yet He understands human beings enough to know that behaviours like that should not prevail among them. He knows them even more than they know themselves, He created them. He doesn't have to turn into a human being to understand human weakness.
God never came to die on earth or to be weak in order to understand how we feel.

No need for God's of any sort. Just need some normal people on the planet  

Thor:

No need for God's of any sort. Just need some normal people on the planet  

God is one

fellis:

Tpia,
God can do whatever He wants effortlessly. He can bring about whatever He wants immediately/instantly, not after passing through the rigors human pass through to accomplish things.
God does not need to be a human being to understand human beings.
Analogy; a person who designs and makes cars knows what the cars can withstand and what they cannnot handle. He does not have to turn into one of those cars to know what is right or wrong for them because he has already designed them to have some things favour them and others, not.
Also, you would agree that God being very Merciful, is not a tyrant, neither is He oppressive or unjust, yet He understands human beings enough to know that behaviours that should not prevail among them. He knows them even more than they know themselves, He created them. He doesn't have to turn into a human being to understand human weakness.
God never came to die on earth or to be weak in order to understand how we feel.

Gbam!!!!! You took d words out of my mouth

The Holy (?) Bible, Quran, Torah, vada, Book of Mormons, the Guru Granth Sahib, BaghavadGita,
All these pretended words of God/ fake Holybooks, I DISBELIEVE THEM ALL
They all deserve to be flushed down the sewer. FLUSH THEM NOW AT
http://flushaholybook.com/

God have mercy on all of una

then who would you attribute the death of the sick cancer patients to? shall we blame it on cancer? oh no, i have a better idea, why dont we blame it on satan.
the sick aids babies? the rape victims? all satans fault

god only listen to people who insults him and punishes them, all the innocent christian  people who die are not his fault and his concern. he doesnt want to deal with the prayers of all the innocent people who beg him for life and STILL DIE, he wants to ONLY deal with the people who are against his words.

i like the way you think:
people who insult god die untimely and they do so because that was the will of god but all the innocent christians who pray and stand by god who die untimely due to another persons stupidity is not god fault and he has absolutely nothing to do with it.
then why doesnt god protect his children from these evil being? i am sure he can do that with his mighty powers
why doesnt god protect all the children abused by all the pedophiles around the world? i am sure he can do that with his mighty powers
why doesnt god cure all the innocent sick children around the world? i am sure he can do that with his mighty powers
why dont god save that poor girls all over the word from being raped? i am sure he can do that with his mighty powers

if god can "punish" people who speak against him then he could surely use "his powers" to save his good christian innocent children.
or is there something missing i should know?!
here is some reading from your bible(i guess all the sick christians, aids victims, rape victims etc should just disregard it as i am not sure they fell into that bracket):

He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.

I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress,
my God, in whom I trust."

Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare
and from the deadly pestilence.

He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

You will not fear the terror of night,
nor the arrow that flies by day,

nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
nor the plague that destroys at midday.

A thousand may fall at your side,
ten thousand at your right hand,
but it will not come near you.

You will only observe with your eyes
and see the punishment of the wicked.

If you make the Most High your dwelling—
even the LORD, who is my refuge-

then no harm will befall you,
no disaster will come near your tent.

For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

You will tread upon the lion and the cobra;
you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

"Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him;
I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

He will call upon me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble,
I will deliver him and honor him.

With long life will I satisfy him
and show him my salvation."

Psalm 91

@Mr brownjay, that was really a nice piece, i can see that many folks here did not grab the message there,

More expose on the life of the "holy" prophet Grin Grin

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:

Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3373:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported:

We took women captives, and we wanted to do 'azl with them. We then asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born



On the matter of having sex with multiple partners, Imam Ghazali writes (ref.7, p.368):

It has been narrated in a gharib Tradition that the messenger of God said, "I have complained to Gabriel that I would like more strength when having intercourse with my wives, and he instructed me to eat harisa, " then you should know that he had nine wives, and he was obliged to satisfy them all, and that no one was permitted to marry them after his death, or even if he divorced them; his request for strength was therefore for this, and not for enjoyment.

"Prophet" requesting for SEXUAL strength, not spiritual strength!! Huh Grin Grin Grin

Hadith is not our holy book, the Quran is