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It's been happening long time in public schools, and they will be shouting islamisation. #hypocrites

allen113:
Someone should remind me how many Ronaldo has

5 rejection and still counting.

paulolee:
PSG contract never finish and offer still full table...unlike one 37 yeat old wey all big clubs de reject

Some people go say na fake news.

ghettokid1:
make I talk..

Bro you too like vawulence.

Johnny147147:
We're not discussing if his absence is felt on his team or not. We're discussing his personal qualities and his uniqueness. His abilities is almost non-comparable

Your opinion please, my view is different.

He's going to athletico.

Kobojunkie:
OK. Read some of the posts at the links to see how indeed there are Muslims who get their answers from even the Bible

https://www.nairaland.com/7128840/deborah-samuel-killers-must-face/2#112896489

Here's a comment from a fellow Muslim who sees it a different way https://www.nairaland.com/7127875/view-blasphemy-according-glorious-quran#112854472

1. He actually pointed out that killing for blasphemy is from the bible, He ended his sentence with verses that says that Allah himself will punish those who blaspheme.
2. He supports my claim.

Kobojunkie:
1. You say he was both a political leader and a religious leader, so what leaders do you expect to implement this supposed blasphemy law? Political or religious? And at what level do you expect said leads to implement the supposed law ... for instance, per mosque, community, state, regional or national? which?

2. Jesus Christ came as King in the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom not of this world where He alone is judge and ruler of, just as He told them over 2000 years ago. He is the Law by which all those who belong in the Kingdom will be judged on judgment day as He explained in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 where He insists that He is the ruler over Heaven and over Hell.

3. Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that he did not forgive everyone who ever tormented him, does it now?

4. You have it all wrong! It is not that I don't want to accept anything good about Islam but instead that I cant see what you claim is good about Islam. Before I choose Jesus Christ, I was an atheist and had time to story various beliefs out there. Even attempted Buddhism at one point but the problem was none of them made sense to me at first. I came to where I am today not by exploring the beliefs from the point of view of men, but instead from God Himself. He was my way into understanding Him, and eventually Jesus Christ apart from all the junk out there about Him.

1.Whoever the superior leader is although there is no punishment for blasphemy in Islam.
2. Let's leave the day of judgment out of this because our beliefs on it differ, Jesus was not a leader in this world he never had his enemies before him seeking for mercy.
3. If there is a divine law on blasphemy then Muhammad saw would surely had implemented it when the need arises.
4. I'm surprised that an atheist could understand the concept of trinity and accept, most atheists i know of were formerly Christians.

paulolee:
athletico madrid president av joined the long list of big clubs dt av rejected d rumors of signing cr7....i de wait the club wey e go end up...
am even surprised dt united is still forcing him to stay, or dey need anoda maga wey go pay d same fee dey paid for cr7?
I would advise them to act like Juve, discard him for any avaliable club, count ur loses n move on...u cnt force him to play Europa na

He might go to Italy, inter dey or tottenham.

Kobojunkie:
1. Since Mohammed himself used the death penalty for disorder in the society and for retributions, can you not see how blasphemy of Mohammed could be easily consdiered, and explained, by some muslims as a disorder in what is Muslim society?

2. Well, fortunately, the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ we have today, remain as recorded almost 2000 years ago, so no matter how much men attempt to twist the narrative, the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, prevails.

3. As you openly confirmed in #1 above, Mohammed did not provide what is a true boundary as far as the belief is concerned so it is hard to hold anyone to any real standard. Some Muslims believe to some extent that what is written in the Bible applies to them, while others don't. Others subscribe to what is written in some other texts other than the Quran and the Bible, so where does one begin with this proof you seek?

All muslims believe in the Quran and hadith, and that two would be most appreciated by me although Quran supersedes the Hadith.

Kobojunkie:
1. Since Mohammed himself used the death penalty for disorder in the society and for retributions, can you not see how blasphemy of Mohammed could be easily consdiered, and explained, by some muslims as a disorder in what is Muslim society?

2. Well, fortunately, the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ we have today, remain as recorded almost 2000 years ago, so no matter how much men attempt to twist the narrative, the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, prevails.

3. As you openly confirmed in #1 above, Mohammed did not provide what is a true boundary as far as the belief is concerned so it is hard to hold anyone to any real standard. Some Muslims believe to some extent that what is written in the Bible applies to them, while others don't. Others subscribe to what is written in some other texts other than the Quran and the Bible, so where does one begin with this proof you seek?

1. Muhammad was a political leader as well as a religious leader if blasphemy is punishable by death even then it's for the leaders to implement not every one as you see today.
2. Jesus was never in any position of authority through which you can judge him.
3. The Holy Prophet during his conquest of Mecca forgave all the meccans even though they tormented him physically, psychologically and emotionally, He could have decided there qnd then to kill them all but He did not.
4. As a Christian i know you would not want to accept anything good about Islam but ponder over this.

Kobojunkie:
1. Recall what I had said earlier, 2. I believe this all stems from the fact that Mohammed created a movement that left a lot open to interpretation.

There are lots of Muslims who right here on nairaland quote blasphemy laws including death by stoning statutes from what is the Law of Moses to justify their stance that blasphemy is sanctioned in Islam, and they do this by believing themselves true Muslims by this, something one cannot easily refute since Mohammed never really provided a true boundary for such measurements, not as Jesus Christ did.

And the fact that he never condemned violence committed in his name is not true, there was a time he sent an expedition to gather information about the mekkans, this companions attacked someone who has been guilty of incitement against the muslims, they attacked while in doubt about the month been part of the holy month, when they came before Muhammad saw He rebuked them seriously that they thought they were going to be destroyed.

Kobojunkie:
1. Recall what I had said earlier, 2. I believe this all stems from the fact that Mohammed created a movement that left a lot open to interpretation.

There are lots of Muslims who right here on nairaland quote blasphemy laws including death by stoning statutes from what is the Law of Moses to justify their stance that blasphemy is sanctioned in Islam, and they do this by believing themselves true Muslims by this, something one cannot easily refute since Mohammed never really provided a true boundary for such measurements, not as Jesus Christ did.

Muhammad saw was the leader in medina, He uses the death penalty as punishment for disorder in the society or for retribution but no where is it mentioned that he ordered the death of someone for blasphemy, and for the fact that he never created true boundary, that does not hinder someone from carrying out their self suited commentary of his saying, it is stated clearly in the Holy Quran that Isa is no more but they still twist words to suit their narrative.
Also i would love it 8f you refer me to anywhere someone has proved convincingly that such is in the Quran.

Johnny147147:


U and I know none of those players u mentioned can fill his boots.

Sentiments aside, who the F are those crops except Modric u campare KDB with?

It seems we know of different kdb boots, even his absence from the team is not that much felt.

Johnny147147:
Name 5 players on his level...

De jong, pedri, bissouma , modric, valverde, bruno, etc.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting claim!

Let me ask you this. Why do Muslims believe those who blaspheme the name of Mohammed deserve death? And why is this a part of what is Muslim sharia law?

How different are the blasphemy laws in Islam different from those stated in the Law of Moses, the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel?

Like i said blasphemy alone does not deserve death in Islam, but like it also there are many beliefs of a lots of muslims that have no basis or backing in the Holy Quran first or the Hadith, beliefs like murder for apostasy, life of Jesus in heaven and his return, concept of dajjal, finality of Prophethood etc.
Why majority of muslims believe in such wrong concept is a topic for discussion another time.

Kobojunkie:
1. The situation is such that Muslims claim to follow the Law of Moses, a Law which was instead given by God as a National Constitution only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins and for the Nation founded in the land of Canaan. So, it is all murky, to begin with.

2. You can go for it, but again, you have 1 above to contend with.

No we do nof follow the law of Moses although there might be similarities but it's totally different.

Kobojunkie:
Mohammed also never condemned violence done in his name, to begin with. He himself got blood on his hands which he sanctioned in the name of Allah, pretty much leaving it all open to interpretation.

I say this because the explanations I have read from many who also claim to be true Muslims also lead to the suggestion that Mohammed wasn't against killings done in his name. And if Allah is supposed to judge based on only that which Mohammed has in fact stated, then Allah can't really condemn one for killing in Mohammed's name, can he?

I would like you to refer me to those responses that are backed by the Quran and also the instance in his life he punished some anyone for blasphemy
And also i can provide you with a verse that back up my point.

Kobojunkie:
What is not commanded of Jesus Christ is not of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ made it clear that those who violate His teachings( and as a result His examples) are not of Him, this from over 2000 years ago.

So, according to Jesus Christ Himself, those who belong to Him are those who do as He commands, not those who do as they please using His Name to camouflage their ways. So, this really isn't about what I said but what Jesus Christ Himself made clear to all who care in His Gospel and Law to those who will follow Him.

That is same with Islam, the Prophet never commanded any one to get violent in his name, but that they will be judged by Allah on the day of judgment.

ghettokid1:
Messi's contract never expire dem don dey rush am....

I swear unlike one wey everybody dey reject.

Kobojunkie:
But according to many of those of you who claim to be true Muslims, the lynching of even Deborah which took place only weeks ago was sanctioned in the name of Mohammed.

According to many so-called true Muslims, anyone who insults even Mohammed, a dead man, deserves to be put to death to honor him. So, aren't those who praise these lynchings same as those who carry them out in the name of Mohammed?

And since Mohammmed didn't distance himself from killings, many of which he carried out by his own hands, how can any one really claim that true Muslims have not been commanded to fight for anyone?

I always see your comment against your fellow Christians where you claim that what they do is not what jesus commanded and you bring your proof from the bible, If in that case someone still claims that no what some other Christians do or say is what Christ commanded what will be your response to such person?

Johnny147147:
People on KDB's level are few. Just admit it

Why should i just admit it, there is nothing exceptional about him he his good though.

Ade1177:
But wait oo


WHY NOT PLAY EUROPA AND HAVE THE CHANCE OF WINNING IT

THAN JOIN ANYHOW TEAM AND GET KNOCKED OUT IN GROUP STAGE

I'LL ADVICE RONALDO TO STAY

IBRAHIMOVIC PLAYED EUROPA
LEAVE MESSI ALONE TO BE STAYING UNDER THE SHADOW OF MBAPPE

ITS TOO OBVIOUS, MESSI IS THE 3RD MOST IMPORTANT PERSON EVEN IN PSG
MBAPPE FIRST
NEYMAR
MESSI

RONALDO SHOULD FORGET ABOUT COMPETITION WITH MESSI JARE

I RESPECT BOTH BUT NOT A DELUDED FAN
THEY WERE GREAT, YES! BUT SO MANY PLAYERS ARE BETTER CURRENTLY

THATS WHY COACHES DONT JUDGE THE WAY YOU PEOPLE JUDGE

MY FAVORITE PLAYER THAT CAN DO NO WRONG TO ME RIGHT NOW IS KDB

DEBRYUNE NEEDS MORE RECOGNITION

KDB that disappeared against madrid, he good but hes mate are plenty.

Fahdiga:
Ronaldo won't even go there.

He's desperate, he would go if the opportunity arises.

Truly a false concept bro.

Explain point no 1 please.

Kobojunkie:
If you don't understand what it means to be a Christian to begin with, then I suggest you start with the basics to realize why it is inane to continue to pitch Christians against Muslims in the way you go around doing.

1. A Christian is one who lives life in complete submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. And as Jesus Christ never asked His own to fight in HIs name nor defend themselves or anyone in His name, it is pretty commonsense why those who follow Him cannot and should not take up arms in His name.

2. Muslims are those who bow to the commandments and traditions of the man called Mohammed who basically allows them to kill and maim in his name. That is majorly why they are able to and openly carry out killings in his honor.

Not true, muslims have not been commanded to fight for any one.

NobleStag007:
Sarafa gbadebo detests

Qobla zawal, Praying with footwears, Calling kafir a kafir e.t.c


Sarafa is mumayiun. Mixture of elegbe (sect) with little touch of Sunnah

Not everyone brain si preprogrammed like yours, people do use their brain.

Bar ronaldo record every other one is breakable

paulolee:
see Wetin frustration of supporting united don turn u to...cant wait for August mk league start.. una frustration go resume with enough heartbreak..

Bros no vex i ne man u fan but I'm not frustrated, e be like say the guy get other problems.

Thinkam:
This is just unexplainable from Tinubu and APC...

While Christians are letting their opinions known, don't go to sleep, rally around a candidate and make sure you vote ..

Because the disaster that await Christians should Tinubu succeed after all this, will be worst than what buhari did to the SE.

Even if Christians vote overwhelmingly for Tinubu and Shettima, the Christians would still be punished, there's an agenda.



So you mean a Muslim - Christian or Christian - MUSLIM Ticket is anti Muslim? Since when?

I'm agnostic.

The only real question is!.

What has Nigeria gained from quota system?
What has Nigeria gained from APC?

I'm agnostic, yet you care more than the regular Christian.

BATified2023:
this is the same thing ipob does in the east by telling people not to come out on Monday n when u do they kill u

They do same thing,doing things against peoples wish in their region,so if u support ipob n condemn this people u are an hypocrite

But hisbah is operating legally now.