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macof:You can see "spiritual agreement" here, but observe the true Yoruba on this thread, no agreement. Lawani, olu, absolute success, metaphysical, obalufon. None of us share exactly the same view but we claim common origin. Compare to what you and your brother ihumadinuoju want us to believe by fire by force. Whereas you are complete Igbo folks. This pattern further proof how your locus standi as infiltrators will play out against the Yoruba history. Eventually, I guarantee that you are gradually unfolding as spies with vested interest to subject Yoruba tradition to your whims and Caprice. You are fading into thrash and vulgarity. Getting you engaged has paid off: ihumadinuoju is behind kayfra monicker. |
kayfra:Ihumadinuoju, Now I reckonize you. I have encountered you before with your old igbo monicker, and exactly what you said is as above. You are olaochi, you are ihuomadinuju or whatever, now you are kayfra. What the fellow said years ago was that she took Yoruba DNA to the lab when we the Yoruba were nowhere to be found. Her claim was that the Yoruba DNA that is farther North comes with Fulani invaders. Ihumadinuju, what's your vested interest in Yoruba history? Igbo guy, can you cut me some slack? Tell me a Yoruba man that will glorify his DNA with the invasion of Fulani. By their fruits we shall know them. |
macof:Brother, You are a good example of information without knowledge. What you have is information. You only need the input of someone else and viola, you bend it to suit your "information". A good example is the oriki eletu odibo. Can you share it? Stop acting as though the other person is having a "mindshare" with you. You are clever by half. Every claim you made does not autimatically translate to knowledge. Not until you substantiate the same with convincing evidence of knowledge. For instance, I asked you to interpret your Yoruba "erin fee pami" back to English, you haven't done that till date. Yet you claimed to be more Yoruba than my father. The claim is the information, your validation of such claim is knowledge. Any dick and Harry can put information to best use, but knowledge belonged to pundits. An informed person depend on a reliable source, but a knowledgeable person is the source of a given information. Can you translate your own sentence to Yoruba? That's the difference between information and knowledge. |
macof:Bro, save your outburst. You need to proof your mettle no matter how long. Be confident in your good works, no one can mosque you in that. Do you now have the oriki Eletu odibo? Every of your claims have to be substantiated. We are working from home now. ![]() |
macof:The teacher of knowledge who think the way you do here is clever but not intelligent. It's like saying if four students do not arrive at the same idea about a subject, then their points are invalid. But the point is, how can four individuals from different background have all similar claims and explanation without copying one another? Anyone expecting that kind of scenario isn't wise, each individual contributor come across as an "ideologue" and should be treated as such. Each one of us have a uniqueness pertaining to our understanding of the subject matter. Ever heard of the mathematical principles of Set? Of Venn Diagram? Of Subsets and of Intersections? We are educated to solve problems. In a Set, people have their own "properties" unique to them. The same property is noticeable in another member of the same set. That's subset. However, there is a property that cut across all members of the set. That's intersection. If you claim to be a graduate with impeccable methodology, you should know how this apply. This divergent view don't validate your proficiency. It only provide a spectrum of view of each contributor and the conclusion drawn from their individual observation on the subject. |
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macof:You can see how quick this response is, it's a proof of your decoy and fundermental deception. What take you so long? ![]() Would you have quoted post before this one? No. It's your forbidden post. "Conscience is an open wound, only the truth can heal it". Back to the topic: you pretend to be proficient in foreign languages and their connections, without vocabulary or examples drawn to butress your point. That should be secondary (if necessary) to proof your point and establish your claims. You are talking about Niger Congo, and that should come first. However, the refurbished "tokunbo points" from the Vikings, Norse, French and Turk is all you have before directing discussion in that path. Why not drawn from the work of your peers or give examples from the core of your argument to further our knowledge? |
macof:The post exposes you as a stranger to the core of your argument, which is Niger Congo. You have earlier claimed that the Yoruba shared vocabulary and semantics with the Fon and the Igbo. So, why not draw instance from such to explain the attributes of the thesis you are making? I believe such will shed some light to our understanding of how linguistics works especially on the indeginous languages. I noticed that you are an "assimilative plagiarizer": You read stuff online and edit it to your taste, posting it as though you are the original thinker. The weakness of this trick is that you know more of notable examples drawn to butress the points made elsewhere, but incapable of drawing plausible examples from your own case study. A man who makes your kind of claims should be capable of substantiating them instead of swinging from outburst to outburst. |
Life will not stop because you are brainless. |
macof:I'm not the one to keep quiet for you and your hordes. As long as you are not Yoruba, and you claim to be one, everything you claim to know multiplied by this fact is ZERO. The fact of this is that you can never go over your own post twice because it's baseless claims built on sinking sands, you can fare better when its grammar. As such, I expected a regular vulgar smokescreen, insults or a sweeping claims.You can't repeat yourself often because your claims are not easy for you. Your words are too harsh and heavy for you to carry around.Deposit as much as you can here, it never establish you as an authority. Your foundation is a lie. You are the infiltrator, an impostor pretending to be the spokesman for the culture you've no ancestry nor knowledge of its principles. I have asked you to butress your point about two years ago with your present knowledge, and your response is hiding you and shaming me. So it's not a validation of knowledge but a decoy. You must hide because you have no clue when it comes to Yoruba tradition, you only operate at familiar terrain of grammar. Can you put a man to shame about his roots? The shame belong to you as a coward who lied about his own immediate origin but seeking to proof Yoruba antiquity to be relevant online. You lied, you know it. ![]() |
macof:Has there been a crucial fact from your end till date to establish you as knowledgeable on this topic? If so, post a link to the same here. The complexity of Yoruba history is only due to 3 factors - 1. Secrecy and Mysticism which you can only overhaul(if you think it is a problem) when you are deeply in the tradition. The importance of initiation and active practice cannot be overestimated when it comes to Yoruba 2. Yoruba history is not Yorubaland-based or Town-based but first of all Family-based. Each family has their own history and traditions that revolve around certain events in the history of that family. Even what you might think are town festivals are mostly just certain families reenacting an historical event that is specific to that those families not the entire town.How does this aspects of Yoruba history blend in to your Niger Congo claims? Is this a Yoruba affair that's not extended to others? Can you justerpose this with another culture in the same linguistic family as an aspect of how anthropology linguistic works? 3. The duality of most Yoruba figures. Most characters in yoruba stories have historical and spiritual aspects, the spiritual aspects are myths that guide the Yoruba religion. This can be a total mess to a person who doesnt know better, that is why you hear of Oduduwa creating the earth as he came down from Orun, yet that name is also given to the first Olufe (Ooni), take it as one side inspiring the other, sometimes we don't even know which inspired which...although in the case of Oduduwa the two sides seem to have inspired eachother, which the name Oduduwa coming from an older spiritual myth but the myth itself changing to incorporate elements of the historical events eg. Oduduwa the man, came down a chain from Ora hill, Obatala lost the war mostly due to his drinking problemsThis is your entry point on this thread, it shows you are clueless about Yoruba tradition. Can you cite the original traditional source where your claims here were taken from? |
macof:This is your coping mechanism for evading scrutiny, forget about me and repost the material at your reach for posterity. You have abundance of such materials I think, it will always vindicate you hundred years from now when its here, you don't border about my watery brain. You do your bit of proving your claims, you don't speak a pint of Yoruba and I don't know what you claimed to know. So, help the reader, not me. Teacher, teach them how anthropology and linguistic works from your wealth of experience, not endless bragging about how it imaginarily works. |
macof:Go back and read very well, this time withouth lunacy playing in your head. ![]() cite the original paper where Niger Congo was first postulated as a linguistic theory. I know how impulsive you are. |
I've never seen a clever fool of that negro sort thanks for keeping him where he truly belonged. The original Monkey of Serrengatti. What wisdom is in coming online to claim Yoruba is one of the "uncivilized Africans" Who does that? This is called Freudian slip, where a man divulge his ulterior motives unaware.What determine who is civilized and who is uncivilized? Is it not what can be gleaned from a certain culture? The Yoruba adage says "kiitan lara omoba komaku dansaki". The meaning of dansaki is the token salute that denote title or identity. These impostors are tirelessly working to ensure you will make nothing sensible out of Yoruba tradition. As a result, the man became an obstacle to gleaning anything meaningful from Yoruba culture for the ulterior motive. A man who will disproof a point should give better meaning, not whinnying. Its now clear that claiming Yoruba is civilize is one of the original sin against this man. He is the only Yoruba who disdain Yoruba language or attempt to say Yoruba is civilize from inception. He became Yoruba apapandodo to cover up and to work from within, but his ruse is that this guy cannot make a single sentence in Yoruba without fear of being caught. How can an evolutionist hate monkey? Here is a fellow who recently claimed man developed from East Africa and angry with connection with monkey? Do you have a different theory than evolution? It seems our guy has no idea about the details of East African origin. If not, why should you feel bad being a dedcendant of monkey? AlreadyYou have no monument of history when your ancestors lived on trees. As monkeys, the "uncivilized African" lived on trees, hence no sites of archeological interest to date your culture because its a culture that never was. Monkey cannot built cultural monuments like the Incas or Aztec. Monkey lives on tree without a trace of civilization on ground. The "uncivilised African" is incapable of civilization, so he walked the plain and bush half naked. But Yoruba case is different, though equally disadvantaged by isolation but the Yoruba dated itself by the Oranyan staff as an obelisk dating back to "the stone age". The Yoruba had her own clothing like the rest of civilizations of the east known to have endured during the stone age that marked the beginning of Yoruba history in west Africa. The Yoruba had her oral tradition that trace back to the domestic rites of the stone age. So the Yoruba civilization dated that far and clear. The coping mechanism of hypnosis and internal confusion is to fight anyone who intended to make us see an issue plainly explained as Yoruba tradition shows. The coping mechanism for lack of intelligence is striving to be invincible. Put up a point, he finds something stupid to distract you and secure your attention. No transparent origin to validate the claims of this negro being Yoruba, ask him question in that needs him to shed light on his origin, he shouts "obsession!" No availability of the citation to proof guys had access to the holy Grail of the Niger Congo, we just need to agree because that's "the truth", his gut is "the evidence". Here is a fool who needed 4 mighty scholars to proof Bible wrong earlier. His dead brain can't do the work, but he want us to take his claims as "authority speaking". Even the Bible he hired authority to proof wrong spoke of "cities sitting upon their mounds", And a fool here is telling the world African history is built on linguistic theory he had never understood. Why not cite an excerpt from the papers where the thought was originally postulated? The only attainment of the negro is the historic Niger Congo language family. Obalufon: |
gunvi:Awanle po kenpo mana henmi je fide pepe. Mau nano po mepo. |
Hmm, this is one sided story. I belong to this community and my father's land is partly affected. The crisis began less than 15 years ago... The Awori originally gave their lands to the Egun to settle down after the several civil wars of the 19th century, especially between Dahomey and Egba. |
kayfra:. 1. Explain how Odiyan is nago for all to learn 2. Otherwise, tell us how the term Niger Congo came to be, quoting a paragraph where the phrase was first used, and the title of the book. When you fail you act comical, when you are right in your assumptions, you act brutal. |
My soul had peace from a reckless troll of 9 years this day. I give glory to God. The wicked knows no peace, whom will they not report me to? ![]() Invention of all sort of faults and still complaining after the 9th year! What a life. Ipin aise niipa alaroka. |
kayfra:At least you have learned that cognates exist here, you have learnt something after all. What you never thought exist has become part of your lingo. Go back to your own contribution and see confusion in one line of a borrowed idea, without tradition or native discovery on the job to back you up. Odion-Obeji Ibini. Go back and study the stuff very well. There's still beautiful points loaded within the oriki. But you will not see it yet as an intellectually blind sort. But when I unfold the meaning, it becomes another joke. You will continually have a joke and become a mediocre, because you are here to joke around my point. Every light needs darkness to shine brighter. You have no idea what history of the Yoruba is all about, not even the one you claim to be Historical is known to you. "Nago" exposes you as an impostor. Stop trying to be smart. If a Yoruba would spot out anything nago, where did he learn it from? How do you import a foreign name to better identify yourself or a section that the name never covers? 1. Explain how Odiyan is nago for all to learn ![]() 2. Otherwise, tell us how the term Niger Congo came to be, quoting a paragraph where the phrase was first used, and the title of the book. At least that should be easier enough to prove you know your subject matter. |
kayfra:One thing is to have idea of something, another thing is to be knowledgeable enough to handle the subject when scrutinized. Niger Congo is the only linguistic endowment you have as history, no wonder its all your business is all about it here. Can you tell us about it. ![]() A learner will be inconsistent with his claims with a lot to hide. His best arguments are built on sinking sands. So insults and "victimism" is usually their second nature to scare away hard facts. The evidence that you have learned something indefensible with your default reasoning capacity is apparent. I am not discussing insult with you. All I'm saying is use your brain to think, it belongs to you. You have a problem with my idea, solve it, give a better explanation. Stop insulting public sensibility just because you have freedom of speech and that you are entitled to your opinions. My 2 cents tho. Explain how people cross the Sahara desert 10,000 years ago just before it dried up (we are at the "Green Sahara" again, this should be it ) baphomet will know. When you explain this, your claim has only started. What dried up the Sahara? It either got dried up by your claims or you find a better explanations. Talk on points. |
RamessesIV:I want to believe you did not register a brand new account on nairaland just for this? Time will tell. ![]() Our obsession to black race is to inform you that we have history dating back to 5000 years ago in non-black societies around the world today. We are not a 'negro' whose history began with the advent of the European explorers in West coast, whose antiquity must be confined to this place. We are not negro whose identity is a continent they have to themselves, we are a people who can trace back to our root as far back. We are not an object of white Historical and scientific studies, we have interest in our history and antiquities too. So don't worry if we think differently too. We are not writing the history of the world, but the unwritten history of our ancestors. We have history dating that far, 5000 years of footprints stretching beyond our immediate environment, it's not a crime making this an obsession. Why do you prefer we confine to the continent we have? I think NASA need to confine to the earth and not find out about the outer space anymore. The limit of knowledge is always stretching. |
Inferiority complex is a thing of the mind and afflicted you without you realizing it does. It's being blind to everything else except just about what the white man thinks is right about you. It's inferiority complex to speak English and be educated in the knowledge formulated by others when you could spend time "developing" your own. It's inferiority complex to speak of the black as 'negro' in this age and time without knowing the difference. A black man is human being first, with equal qualification as any other man anywhere on the planet. He is not his 'skin colour', his history is not about his 'skin colour'. The black man is not a creation of prejudices and spectra of prejudice interpretations. Please allow the black man to be human being without self inflicted prejudice. Allow him to be free to explore his past without minding the mockery of the white and their apologists. A negro is the creation of the white man and he thinks what the white man wants him to think. It's education to him because he can't be sure to make reasonable claims or deduction by himself. Knowledge is a neutral phenomena, it has nothing to do with race, it's your interpretation of the subject matter based on what you could offer. Justice is blind to sentiments, it's better to do justice to the topic. If you know better, you will not be ashamed to share what you know. I have shared what I know not what the white man wants me to know. Omo eru nii sinni. |
So, did Yoruba originated at Iba also? Well Iba means "Father" to the Yoruba. The word implied a common patriarch for the two groups. Both culture emanated from Iba. Root identity The Eletu Iwase belonged to the white cap chiefs, and they were further reckoned as awonrin. Among the Egun, Awonrin is the native name for Lagos. At Ado, the quarter known as Ileba were the custodians of "owun olowonrin" meaning "handlers of the tradition of the emigrants". I am from this family. The cognomen of this realm is "omo eleba ori, omo ori onoja osan". The historical designation of the term iba is harmonious with ileba. Both were extra-Yoruba stickers. Now the point that the white cap chiefs claimed they were from Ibini does not make them less Yoruba. They were Yoruba from inception, however, they shared common origin with founders of Edo empire, that's all. The Yoruba record As the Eletu iwase connected to Awonrin, the Yoruba oral record posited this as "owonrin". Basically, awonrin and owonrin means the same thing: "awon o rin" the people who emigrated. Both records validated one another because historical events never happened in isolation or oblivion where the people who experience the epoch could not make record of what they witness. |
The Twins Clue First is to establish this claim, all we have to do is understand that Odiyan is not a typical Yoruba word, it's a transliteration of Odion. Then the family that has this tradition declared that they are descended from Ibini. What does Ibini seems to mean in Yoruba? The word means first born. Then back to our oriki, it says "omo Erin-Obeji". Since this is not a prose, it's poetic rendition of "son of the emigrant twins". Odion, -Obeji, Ibini: that shows an internal agreement. Obeji is a poetic rendition of ibeji, the wordsmith won't interpolate the line with a prose that will further confuse the listener. As such, Ibini is the first born in a twins. If so, who was the other twin? Can one be both twins and only retain the identity of one? The other twin would be a group originating at the same time as Ibini. That's the Erin, implying "emigration". The Eletu Iwase did not claim to have come from Ibini, rather from Iba. So it is said "omo sese niba", meaning son of the one originating at Iba. The sense in this is that the people predates the empire, and the empire derived from the ancestral home of the people. So, Iba was the original home of the twins. |
Like I said, the poster announces the death of "Olori Ebi Eletu Iwase" Pa Abdulrasak Isola, aged 93 years. Oriki Eletu Iwase Omo odiyan Omo Ogun niwase Omo arofoba b'egun Omo aseu mapekan Omo apekan ma f'obinrinje Omo afelele wole oba Omo Erin obeji Erinbeji o yaso Omo oyinbo f'oju orun Sona Eye f'oju orun sorere Omo Oro sese niba Omo ibini arokuntayo Ogbono igbado ota. I have no access to this oriki when I made the claim that the Edo have a tradition of Odion and Akere, which establish a valid case for Yoruba and Edo being twins at the onset of time. And that if that tradition should be repeated in Yoruba, Odion will become Odiyan, that is, "one who preferred pounded yam". Then Akere will be Yoruba for "one who claimed the blessings". |
That of Eletu Iwase is given by the Providence, I had predicted that the Yoruba and bini were a twins at the onset of time. And while looking for thermometer around that iga iduganran axis (Eleko's palace), I found a poster at the entrance to the Enu Owa mosque and copied the oriki of the deceased. |
macof:End of discussion. |
macof:Smokescreen. How does this connect us to your last post about odiyan and Odion? How does this nonsense interpret "erin fee pami" back to English? ![]() You recently began digging to my profile on Facebook and turn around to claim you give me no regards when I connect you back to reality. I have nothing to hide. You are the one screaming "I'm Yoruba and right after my name Yoruba is my only identity" who asked you this before you impose it on them? That's the ultimate ruse. I have created a vacant place for you to post your oriki, b'ogo eni ba dani loju, afii gbari ni. Yoruba e ko l'ogo. ![]() Afoun pamo nii sami ona. I have your post where you claimed your ancestors emigrated into Yoruba land about a century ago from the middle belt. You made the post yourself. Since then you have acculturated into Yoruba culture, you claimed. You can deny this as lie. I have the link. I won't be surprised if this migration is your inspiration to Oduduwa coming from the middle belt to "civilize" Yoruba as you wont to do. So you are the online Oduduwa who has married into the local population. As for olu's info about you, even if your name is ekundayo, will you agree? Oruko omo nii momo sokigbe. The sorrow you think you can give others maximise your joy. |
Obalufon:Baba ejo'o e dariji man yen o, Kofi tara tara gbadun ni problem eh o. Asi need madness e diedie, then to bati cast, aje ko kuku maa gbe inu ado yen, titi laelae. A wumi kojepe o maa stood down ninu ado yen gan ni, iya mbe fomo tio gbon, ekun mbe fomo tinsakiri. Leyin yen, to ba ni grace pe o tun taye wa, to ba ri nair...ko ni duro. ![]() |
Olu317:You've really tried to have gotten his name. I never have an inkling about his identity for 9 years he has been trailing and trolling me. Yoruba said baaba leni baaba bani, iwon laabani sota mo. This guy has just been a nuisance. Imaging a man claiming common linguistic ancestry for west and south Africa that could not recognize "cognate" in two kindred languages. Now here he would be stuck: if he agrees with me as to Odiyan meaning Odion, his claims that I had been engaged in wordplay all along means that he is mentally dehydrated. Then his "outbursts turned claims" proves that he is mentally and intellectually deranged. And he has been fighting a blind cause all along. If he disagrees to the apparent, then it proves that he is mentally deranged and intellectually off range. His claims to nigercongo another anchor for a man without a specific base to launch out. If he return with another smokescreen as he always do, then he is an incompetent impostor without abilities other than to be invisible when his head is buried in the sand and all his body exposed to the light of the day. Did you mean he is an elderly man with grown up daughter married to your friend? That's something. So an elderly man is here with us using all sort of vulgar words? It can't be. Abi na so? |

but in actuality you are just exposing how simple information passes your head

