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May this 'new year in the corner' be filled to the brim with good things of heaven and awesome riches of the land for us.




Glory honour hallelujah.
I can't wait to be there.

Joy to the wise, joy to me.
I refuse to be a fool blown hither thither.

macof:

Abiriyamu is our father Abraham
the guy would invent anything to make himself feel good

it's all inferiority complex, anything but just let me feel among my beloved jews

he doesn't realize, Abraham is just anglicized form of "Avrhm" pronounced "Avraham"

Hebrew is a branch of Semitic language and we are made to understand that Abraham came from Persia, where Aramaic is the language.

In Aramaic, Abba means father, and Abraham is meant to mean father of many nations. Can he be a father (Abba) without a root to B?


think about this, think out of the box. 'B' is almost the universal word for procreation. Ibn, Ben, Begat, Bi.

Yoruba favours B instead of V, hence it fizzled out of Yoruba language and alphabet. Let me demonstrate this for my audience.

Yoruba: Aba (farmhouse, father).
Egun: Avari (farmhouse).

Yoruba: Ebo (sacrifice).
Egu: Avor (sacrifice).

Yoruba: Abore (Chief priest).
Egun: Avose (chief priest).

Yoruba is of common origin with Egun language. This phenomenon tells me that human language is not cast in metallic letterset.

Abiriyamu is taken from obara meji. Note B, R. Anibi, Niran. Obara, or 'A bi ara', father of brethren' so to say. A hint there is in IFA,

Adia fun onibara,
o yagan o ya 'pata,
o r'omo l'eyin ediye,
o bu puru s'ekun.

Oju omo nii pon bara.

another funny one - Ebora is yoruba name for Abraham. where's the consistency?

Here is the consistency: ebora has not been assigned to any element, it is idle in Yoruba pantheon. If not, you will be shouting god of something now.

Let's take a review from IFA once more, this time from odu oturupondi. It says and I quote:

Oturupondi yi eyin o p'omo re,
e ribi orunmila gbe soro be si.

ibi tologbon meji bati gbe nsoro,
okolo tinbe nibe a d'ofo,
adia fun atori rojorojo,
ti s'eru akora ebora.

Hope you are able to see 'atori' in there? What does that reminds you? Egba, Itori, Tori, Torinu. Atori literally means 'one who goes over the river'.

Atori means Oba in Egun, meaning king in Yoruba. No wonder the Tori describes themselves as Ahovi, meaning offspring of the king.

Ato, asue, apakrioko.

Which people goes about with atori in Yoruba? Egun. The hints always connect. That's the consistency, it's beyond what your low IQ can fathom.

giving too much attention to the "b" and ignoring the meaning of the name for similarities in sound

classic technical approach of pseudohistory and pseudolinguistics

The joke is on you, the /b/ is the backbone of the name, Abba father. Hope you know where your friend got the idea of the pseudonyms from?

I see it's your new funky flare.

Siamese fool.

Hope you remember the Ado thread? You spot the place with Megido. I think its all coming back to me now, thanks to this thread.

I was laughing and imagining slamming macof with 'Macof ben Ebora' as his new hebrew baptismal name and asking him to name the first son of Oduduwa if he must reject the name, this afternoon.

Something told me the name ebora rhymes with Deborah, so I made a google search. At a corner I found Gezer. It seems like what the Egun call Ado, namely, 'gese' pronounced 'gay zay'.

My brother just few days ago told me Ado starts from isolo, and that the founder came through the Ado river.

There are certain things that awe me in the link below, there are retelling of the afro asia tale: Amuwa, Amun, Ota, Tanis, afi ponpondo yoju ketu, Aegean, Agan, Igan-mode afele ja.

The Ado claim to be scions of Alamunwa to jagun molu. Are we dealing with archeological language here? Why is Yoruba language unfolding like an archeological escavation?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezer

^Sir, this is quite insightful.
More wisdom and knowledge.

lawani:
These words are flowery but are also blasphemous. Ife (re do) means expansion not love by any stretch of the imagination. Are you a Yoruba man? Ife (do mi) is love. There is a clear distinction. Turning things upside down to appeal to sentiments or for whatever reason is wrong. Ife was the point where land rose above the oceans and started to expand. The first patch of land inhabited by terrestrials on Earth. Ife (re do) is expansion, Ife (do mi) is love. Ife (re re) is cup. The Yoruba language may become castrated in future but it is not yet castrated. Saying Ife (re do) is same as Ife (do mi) is very outrageous. Its like saying go is thesame as come. A speaker of a tonal language will understand

You are a subject of Ife, the centre of your cosmos.

I am 'omo oniporogun l'ode Orun'.

I'm from the makers of Ife.

Who are you?

The ife observes odun idi, in connection with omola rere.

Iwe is contemporary Yoruba for book.

Where is the book that the imeko ought to be reading from, for alluding to iwe?

Where is the idi that should take centre stage whe edi is celebrated?

These articles are easily perishable and then to make another, must trek to egypt for papyrus.

little by little, the books, the scribes and reading culture fizzle out of circulation.

Who knows what chronicle was lost, the language of composition, celophon and time?

Who knows if its the language they meant to re-enact at their temples?

All we know is that iwe is a perfect description of scroll, and idi keenly depicts 'seal'.

Followers of Islam knows 'ikraw' 'read', and we the Yoruba knows 'ikoro'.

I am alluding to Arolu, as as a scion of hunters: ara resa, omobadu elekoro.

Maybe its not by accident that unilag was situated at 'akoka' ~ to write and read.

Mba dele arolu o, mba dele arolu, ojo l'oro nio da o, mba dele arolu.

So what do the Yorubas call the planets Mercury, Jupiter or Venus or Sirius, Orion and the 12 zodiac signs? And where are the temples they built to observe their movements across the sky? What are the Yoruba religious observances or worship around these heavenly bodies that were a hallmark of anything Semitic? While you are at it, provide proof that the Yorubas had a writing culture like all known Semitic peoples.

I think this was neccessitated by the fringe hypothesis that no longer counts.

Also, hebrew culture forbids this, I wonder why you don't know.

Modern written seems to have started with phoenicians

and that took mellenia to spread and diverge. Perhap chinese and egyptians logography can be excluded from this.

There are indications that ancient Yoruba were familiar with books.

Imeko slightly means writing skill, and the people observe a tradition called Iwe.

At such feast, indigens recites long oral ancestral traditions in poetry. The Ife folks also.

I bet you are not well read enough to know there are experts who specialize
in phonological and etymological analysis. With a lil bit of effort and imagination...human language is such that similarities in pronunciation and meaning can be established with almost any language!
That area is a wellknown forte pseudo historians and fake academicians. It is only by establishing new or well known similarities in culture, religion, writing, politics etc. that accurate
historical conclusions can be reached.

Candid.

This curiosity must start from somewhere somehow by someone, a fake academician or pseudohistorian.

One man cannot become expert in all fields to prove a historical point.

Let the researchers have liberty to think, wander and seek within humanity.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

That's a line from the statue of Liberty. People shouldn't be coerced to 'themsay'.

The fact that you guys are not even aware you are using the anglicized forms of Abraham, Noah etc. shows the folly of your assertions. [b]For example, Greeks are aware that the Arabs call Alexander Al-Iskandariya ...[/b]so any creative historian using Al-Iskandariya to create a story of an ancient conqueror of Arab origins would be called out real
quick. Even Alexander is an anglicized form
of Alexandrios...which is how the name is pronounced natively. A visit to Macedonia would be suggested to cure him/her of such ignorance.

When Alexander got to jerusalem, the priest showed him the book of Isaiah predicting his rise.

He spared the city from falling on the edge of the sword. Was his name written on the prophecy? No, but a fitting description.

The same linguistic phenomena responsible for Al-Isakandariya (Greeko-Arabism) is spot on, considering Abraham and Abiriyanu.

Yorubas tilt to anglican variants shows there are updates reflecting medieval contact and direction of flow.

Provide plausible evidence that
the peoples living the SW area of
a British created country called
Nigeria are descended from the
Middle East.
That's the topic for discussion
ok?

Are you sure I will give you a 'plausible information' on a free forum? I wonder how you think. Would I offer something valuable for free?

You will keep making fun and giggle till my opinion takes root. It's you that need to work on what to offer the public.

Given that I give you such, and you are convinced, what will you do with it?

See it like this, there are pyramids
and megalithic buildings spread
all over the British Isles, North
Africa, South America, Russia,
China, and the Middle East.


Historians and archaeologists
have dedicated their lives to
establishing similarities between
the cultures that shared such
structures.

It can demonstrated today that
Stonehenge in England,
Newgrange in Ireland and the
pyramids of the Incas,Aztecs and
Mayas are all astronomical
buildings.

Experts have found that
they are all built to be aligned to
certain planets, constellations and
stars.


The Mayas even left documents
mapping the phases of the planet
Venus thousands of years ago!
The trio of the Giza pyramids have
been found to mirror the layout of
the constellation Orion as it was
thousands of years ago!


So it is safe to say that the
peoples who built these megaliths
and pyramids had advanced
astronomical knowledge and
undoubtedly had a stellar religion.

You sound like it occur to you that the Celtics built Stonehenges, and recent Egyptians built the sphinx?

Your carefully crafted words and suspense studded stuff seems intending to deny this if the ruse foils.

one thing permeate the post, cunning. You don't want to think I'm a fool? You are a Google scholar.

Alright, the present Britons did not build Stonehenge, they inherited the site.

You don't mean you expect me to exhume Yoruba cognates in this places?

You want me to bring back Yoruba from a lost civilization that the inheritors lack explanations for?

First, ask the Brits to do likewise.

But since I'm a folklorist, I give you a tale that explain it better than the experts from the natives

The Devil bought the stones
from a woman in Ireland,
wrapped them up, and brought
them to Salisbury plain. One of
the stones fell into the Avon , the
rest were carried to the plain.

The Devil then cried out, "No-
one will ever find out how these
stones came here!" A friar
replied, "That’s what you think!",
whereupon the Devil threw one
of the stones at him and struck
him on the heel. The stone
stuck in the ground and is still
there.

Have you found the builders of pyramid of Giza in the first place? It's funny that the conclusion cited as 'fringe hypothesis' is where you want me to fetch you a historical proof.

Fringe hypotheses Orion correlation theory

Main article: Orion correlation
theory

The Orion correlation theory , as
expounded by popular authors
Graham Hancock and Robert
Bauval ,[17] is based on the
proposed exact correlation of
the three pyramids at Giza with
the three stars ζ Ori , ε Ori and
δ Ori , the stars forming Orion's
Belt , in the relative positions
occupied by these stars in
10500 BC.


The authors argue that the geographic relationship of the Sphinx, the Giza pyramids and the Nile directly
corresponds with Leo , Orion and
the Milky Way respectively.


Sometimes cited as an example
of pseudoarchaeology , the theory is at variance with mainstream scholarship. [18][19]

These two individuals, (Graham Hancock and Robert Bauva) are the 'world authorities' that synchronized all the wonders of the pyramids to 'Stella religion'.

You believe their 'pseudoarcheology', turning them to world experts, but have troubles believing my points....I'm made of black.

Lazy wiki-scholars.

Next...

Sometimes ago, I was searching for the meaning of erigialo, which is an alias for Orunmila,

then search engine brought me the closest word to it that has been grabbed by it's cache.

en rigialo (cades). I was like, is this a message or serendipity? If you don't appreciate little things, you will miss the secret of a lifetime meant for you.

why was palm tree (Ope, the symbol of orunmila) so conspicuous in this very short verse and the word so compatible with Yoruba stuffs?

The Song of Songs ( Songs
1:14 ) speaks of the "vineyards
of En Gedi." The words of
Ecclesiasticus 24:18, "I was
exalted like a palm tree in
Cades" (’en aígialoîs), may
perhaps be understood of the
palm trees of Ein Gedi.
The indigenous Jewish town of
Ein Gedi was an important
source of balsam for the Greco-
Roman world until its
destruction by Byzantine
emperor Justinian as part of his
persecution of the Jews in his
realm. A synagogue mosaic
remains from Ein Gedi's heyday,
including a Judeo-Aramaic
inscription warning inhabitants
against "revealing the town's
secret" – possibly the methods
for extraction and preparation of
the much-prized balsam resin,
though not stated outright in the
inscription – to the outside
world. [4]
According to the Miholjanec
legend , Stephen V of Hungary
had in front of his tent a golden
plate with the inscription: "Attila ,
the son of Bendeuci, grandson
of the great Nimrod, born at Ein
Gedi: By the Grace of God King
of the Huns, Medes, Goths,
Dacians, the horrors of the
world and the scourge of
God. ""[ citation needed]"

compare 'en aígialoîs' with erigialo, and ein gedi with 'ehin gbeti'.

the same kind of topography and etymological implications exist.

Boju o ba t'eyin igbeti, oju oni teko

meaning if the fortress is not compromised,

Lagos will not be compromised.

Why the similarity?

My answer is, people who were very familiar with ein gedi named a part of Lagos as eyin gbeti (marina) before the Portuguese.

ein gedi was remembered also for palm tree, eyin is palm kernel in Yoruba.

That part of Lagos Lagoon once has Palm at the beach as you can see from Taqwa bay at a close distance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada

MetaPhysical:
His supporters club is here. All you have typed up here is jibberish comparing apples and bananas.

No one is concerned with Greek snd Arab or astrology and Alexander. Focus on Ile-Ife, Afroasia, Yoruba and ancient Hebrew.

The first task for you is go to my thread, you and your supporters league and find holes in Dr Oduyoye's claims.

Thanks big brother,

God bless your wit.

You are an inspiration.

PabloAfricanus:

You know a dude has lost the argument when he resorts to ad hominems.
A mere challenge to prove your point cannot be countenanced by someone claiming special knowledge he wants others to know about! That bloke in typical African fashion expects no opposition to his creative fantasies.
Its the transliteration part that got me laughing Abiriyamu
Anything to soothe the feeling of inferiority in the face of overwhelming Arab and Jewish cultural hegemony!
I understand!

You felt this way all along and you kept quiet, I purposely draw you out with the insult, and to impress it upon you that I didn't go thus far to please you.

Now you can laugh out. Tell me what your mood say of your perception of my response to your enquiry?

Your quiet mockery and body language in your closet and happy banter does it portray you as a better scholar? Aren't your mockery ad hominem?

You have no regard for oral traditions, because it's worthless to you, but what you regarded I don't know it. Only the pyramid of Giza and co. is 'history worthy' to you.

I rather give a traditional position than what I feel like as history.

Abiriyanu is from Obara meji: if it makes you laugh, what is that to me? You want it to make you cry?

You can't expect me to change your believe system ingrained in you. What time was that ideals are not mocked and opposed?

Remember the Pharisees and sadusees, the epicureans and stoics and so on. People oppose ideas that's beyond them, as was with Galileo's trial.

Many times, the opposers are people whose cup is full, and they can't learn anything anymore, the proponents of new ideas are half-empty.

Meanwhile, knowledge continue before and after us to infinite eternity. What we know can't be compare to what elude us.

What if memoirs are left in songs and oral traditions? It must be exactly the way it is for thousand years to convince you. No weathering or permissible twists and distortions allowed.

I am telling you there are traditional evidence, I gave you stunners, but all I gave that you can see is derisive Abiriyamu.

And you still want more from me isn't it? Is your country the way it was in the slave trade era, tell me to proof that to you again.

Put your stuffs together and you will clearly see I'm right about your mentality.

Shame on all men scared to share their keen ideas before mockers without wit.

PabloAfricanus:
Why throw up tantrums over a challenge to some post?
I have neither demeaned nor insulted your (anonymous) person on this forum.
Why result to ad hominems? Or are you one of those who cannot make a point without resorting to insults?
I called macof cos he was one of the posters before me, and I know him to be one of the authorities on Yoruba history on this forum.
How that translates into silly 'comrademanship' or 'always looking up to him' or 'looking for supporters club' is well beyond me.
Or do you have a comprehension problem?

And stop being patronizing with all the philosophizing and advice...save it for those glorious occasions when someone awed by your great wisdom will solicite for it.
If you've not noticed this is not a thread on philosophy or elderly advice...but a thread on history or the lack thereof.

Provide plausible evidence that the peoples living the SW area of a British created country called Nigeria are descended from the Middle East.
That's the topic for discussion ok?
See it like this, there are pyramids and megalithic buildings spread all over the British Isles, North Africa, South America, Russia, China, and the Middle East. Historians and archaeologists have dedicated their lives to establishing similarities between the cultures that shared such structures.
It can demonstrated today that Stonehenge in England, Newgrange in Ireland and the pyramids of the Incas,Aztecs and Mayas are all astronomical buildings. Experts have found that they are all built to be aligned to certain planets, constellations and stars.
The Mayas even left documents mapping the phases of the planet Venus thousands of years ago!
The trio of the Giza pyramids have been found to mirror the layout of the constellation Orion as it was thousands of years ago!
So it is safe to say that the peoples who built these megaliths and pyramids had advanced astronomical knowledge and undoubtedly had a stellar religion.

Should an attempt be made to suggest Fulanis for instance have advanced astronomical knowledge and a stellar religion, one of the concrete signs/evidences historians would look for is well known similarities...like scrolls, pyramids, megaliths, astronomical observations, names of planets and constellations...that are also found in similar cultures and peoples sharing such history.

You and some posters on this thread have made assertions, citing phonological similarities between some Yoruba words and some anglicized Semitic/Hebrew words.
The fact that you guys are not even aware you are using the anglicized forms of Abraham, Noah etc. shows the folly of your assertions.
For example, Greeks are aware that the Arabs call Alexander Al-Iskandariya...so any creative historian using Al-Iskandariya to create a story of an ancient conqueror of Arab origins would be called out real quick. Even Alexander is an anglicized form of Alexandrios...which is how the name is pronounced natively.
A visit to Macedonia would be suggested to cure him/her of such ignorance.

I called you and your 'supporters club' to provide native oral evidence of the personalities, events and locations you are all trying to transliterate into Yoruba.
I bet you are not well read enough to know there are experts who specialize in phonological and etymological analysis. With a lil bit of effort and imagination...human language is such that similarities in pronunciation and meaning can be established with almost any language!
That area is a wellknown forte pseudo historians and fake academicians.
It is only by establishing new or well known similarities in culture, religion, writing, politics etc. that accurate historical conclusions can be reached.

So what do the Yorubas call the planets Mercury, Jupiter or Venus or Sirius, Orion and the 12 zodiac signs?
And where are the temples they built to observe their movements across the sky?
What are the Yoruba religious observances or worship around these heavenly bodies that were a hallmark of anything Semitic?
While you are at it, provide proof that the Yorubas had a writing culture like all known Semitic peoples.

Thanks as I await your contributions.

Try help break the lump to pieces, as you numbered the one you provided earlier and try be realistic.

I definitely know the version I'm given is anglicized variation of the terms in question, there are transliterations in Yoruba that has been explored in the past, which are the Hebrew variants.

Many ordinary Yoruba words has affinity with Anglo Saxon words, such as 'sun' in semblance of 'osan', and 'issue' in comparity to 'isun' and 'isan' to the 'ocean'. I'm not telling you that these means historical lot to me.

Meanwhile, expecting me to furnish you artifacts as proof is asking what you know you don't need to have to agree but to disagree.

How robust and developed is archeological studies in the country? What can turn out from the rubbles tomorrow no one knows.

macof:
let's simple really. . you have an hypothesis of Ogun river being named after orisa Ogun. . like Osun river is named after orisa Osun
but that's not the case
there's no controversy over the Ogun river. it's connected to Yemoja and not Ogun.

the Ogun river got that name from "gun" meaning "long" in english

This is interesting, I would have loved to ask how river ogun is connected to iyemoja, but I remember

lamilami tonjo lori omi, onilu e wa nisale odo.

Your source for this no one knows, to ask too much is to offend you. Do you mean you know it or you read it somewhere?

All bodies of water are connected to iyemoja in Yoruba who believe the fellow lives under water.

MetaPhysical:
That's it, these people don't care for truth. They seek popularism and applause.

Yes,

you are a wise man, and you have said it long ago, remember? the 'occupy social media' crew, Yoruba chapter.

If you take a survey, there are more mediocres than there are intellectuals,

in a vote, a mediocre will win the intellectual.

people vote for their kind, it does not make the intellectual wrong.

I don't know how a man contesting a point believes he is absolutely right.

Nobody argues with absolute right, they argued over unclear matters only.

Only a mediocre fight dirty claiming to be right, just present your claims.

Leave others to judge.

MetaPhysical:
2prexios,
In one of your posts you advised OPCNAIRALAND not to engage in back and forth. Please take the high road. All dissenters should go to the thread on Oduyoye, The Man who rewrote Genesis and test their theories against his claims.

I have in my posession more damning evidence that Yoruba had footprint in Afroasia. We've been at this discussion two years and our input have shaped minds and gained new converts even amongst the most obstinate in academia. We refuse to fight anyone or engage in antagonism, we bring hard core evidence backed by hard to dispute truths and give room for opponents to find faults, if they can. Simple!

good morning baba,

I just intended to do a cameo that these fellows were in a mind game and have nothing to offer.

to do that, you have to throw in what often excites them and you will see the reactions that follows. Their best is about to come.

Did any idea came all this while? No, but now nko? Macof best is already in display with ease. Wandering star.

Dear macof, what happen na? you are not good at proverbs, nor have you recounted any IFA piece you have learn from the last Prof Wande Abimbola IFA Academy, fraud.

ifa ni 'ojo esan o lo titi ko joro o dunni' can you learn from such teachers and your language will not be enriched?

But your English is always impeccable and never once garnished with Yoruba word, mantra or proverb.

Its always english grammar, even when attempting to interpret a small word of Yoruba, very careful making sentence in Yoruba, calling laughter irerin, lol.

You are not omo ibile, King of Grammar.



I'm not that bad, metaphysical, I just want to feel the waters, people who are out to learn something will bypass problems to learn.

There will always be obstacles on the way of learning, I refuse to be stopped by obstacles. Let the light shine.

kk

macof:
such comedy

macof is a bully
macof is below me.. even going as far as insulting pabloafricanus for calling you out. you don't want people to question you, everybody must shove your shit down his throat.

why all this nonsense? pabloafricanus asked simple questions that will make all yoruba people believe you and opcnairaland that Abraham is the father of Yorubas. you want to tell me my origins don't you? so I can't ask questions and challenge you over my own origins? I should just accept what ever you say? what my father never told me

and you call me a bully


if you really have linguistic and cultural features shared between Yoruba and Hebrews strong enough to suggest hebrew origin for yorubas ...please present it..I'm begging you, show me that I'm beneath you by providing this evidence of hebrew origin..I want to know my origins. since according to you my ancestors were monotheist hebrews who formed the Torah. I want to be forever below you, just show me that Yorubas have nothing in common with Igbos, Edo, Urhobo, Igala etc but our family are Jews and our home Jerusalem. let's discuss hebrew culture and how yoruba culture was derived from it ..that way we can reclaim our ancestral land as God's chosen people



enough of all this emotional outcry... I know you are not a child but a grown man, so please act like one

I'm no Hebrew lap dog ok? unlike you I'm not sired by the hebrews or any foreign people for that matter..As much as I love the Chinese I have no business claiming my ancestors were the builders of the Great Wall. so if you have anything useful to do with your life do it and stop seeking to use "your Invented history" to gain some relevance...there are more decent self employed jobs which don't deal with pseudohistory

No the joke is on you people, that you don't bring resources to the table beside what will earn you likes and shares.

hope you get it?

pabloafricanus

Kai, the black man really has
been eaten up with inferiority
complex!

And macof I've followed your
posts for a while now...no
word of reprimand for these
low self esteem guys?

I don't think your head is working fine, sorry to say. The reason is, can't you share the crust of your unhappiness without calling for help?

Aren't you thoughtful? Are you anyway conjoined to macof like a siamese? You are looking for supporters club abi?

You have low intelligence hence you must lean on bully like that to make a point. Those calling him are below him, they fear him because of his ways.

You will always look up to him to reprimand nairaland, for you to be happy and thats good for you. Hurray.

I don't chase people who are below me in wit, such as the subtle macof. I give them assignment.

You want to know why Africa lag behind and struggles as a continent? Many folks says 'shut up, who are you' to the unfolding knowledge of one another for very many silly reasons.

At this junction man, don't bring your complex issues to my thread, stop being halfwit, tell the world your side of the story.

pity is for a given, but jealousy you have to earn. Take a cue from your masters, don't shut down a school of thought for an agnostic pride. Let people think.

Their thinking does not rob you of your pride, if it enlighten their spirit. Except yours is a pride of darkness that should not be seen in the light.

Present your worldview as if it will become a branch of knowledge in time to come, enrich your blank soul in others knowledge that elude you.

Stop fighting knowledge with empty pride. Present your knowledge free of silly 'comrademanship'.

op, kudos,
your piece is beautiful, keep the flame on.

PabloAfricanus:
You know it really bites when you see a full grown black man realize his stark impotence and apparent lack of historical significance in the midst of the Whites. Being powerless in the face of a stronger neighbour or foe is not a bad thing per se...except if you do nothing about it.
It becomes bad when to make up for his feeling of impotence or low self worth...one starts inventing grandiose histories to make oneself feel good. African posterity will be confronted with the realities of today's African men who have refused to build a world class legacy for them.

Afrocentrists can postulate,extrapolate,attach,glorify and massage as much African history as they feel like...the reality is that the African continent has been owned...literally
We need to come to terms clearly with that reality. No need to sugar coat it or white wash it. IMO, it is only then we Africans can get a clear bearing on where we are coming from...before we can even begin to talk of moving forward.

Right now, our so called elders and "leaders" have refused to confront their cowardice in the face of Western Imperialism.
Our surviving native traditional practitioners are still holding their "secrets and mysteries" to their chests.
Imagine what the world would have lost if Africans discovered electricity and telephony?
Our "leaders of thought" are so cool with the damage done to the African psyche by imported religions...that they till today still budget millions for "pilgrimages" to Meccas and Jerusalems of the Arabs and Jews.
Sharing of knowledge is still a strange concept to most Africans...some will deny it...but tell me how many public libraries are filled with self published books by local authorities and how well African history is being taught in our schools.

Having said all that, I think those guys above are just projecting their inherited sense of low self worth. Claiming histories and historical personalities whom even your fathers cannot produce the native form of their names in local dialects...is plain silly.
Rather than document first of all whatever history we have as Africans, they rely mostly on Western sources for events that happened in their backyard!
To the best of my knowledge, none of the artifacts, writings, social structures, warfare methods of the Middle East is replicated anywhere in contemporary or ancient sub Saharan Africa...and yet some folks actually think its cool to disregard lack of historical evidence and transliterate Lamurudu to Nimrod abi na Imran
Yeye

I'm not sure the op is out to solve African problem on this thread,

the more you whine the more the solutions elude you, you need to

do, be, have.

not

have, be, do.

Do stuffs that gives you technological incentives, don't wait to have everything to start.

Be inclined in little enterprise that solve problems around you, don't wait till you be come a special man.

Have a good experience that can be invested upon at the passage of time. No, dont need to have money or position for transformation.

Nigerian youth feel great finding scapegoats responsible for this and that problems. Is the thread already leading tourists to Israel?

At 20, I told myself that I will never rely on any person or institution to become a success. I believe in inventiveness, I believe in personal efforts.

I stayed true to my resolve, and the last time I took salary was 15 years ago. Can you bring your ideas to life?

I believe the little I do justify my quota in the task. I don't have to complain anything, it's my life, not someone's.

People keep looking to the leader somewhere for answers. Will they teach you what you must invent to solve a problem?

keep waiting and keep rotting. People who complain can do nothing but find the most unbeatable complaints, and that apply to bullies.

this thread is not yeye, at worst, it points to brotherhood of man. Nowhere has it been said 'be stu.pid' so, don't be silly.

Scholastic topics are meant to exercise the brain probably to know how much of the tale of old elude us.

Use your intellectual abilities and enrich your world. History and culture is not an answer for political dissatisfaction.

Mind you, all known cultures who
had any dealing with Middle
Eastern peoples have written or
oral verifiable histories...complete
with dates, historical personalities
and factual events as others
remembered them. The Ethiopians
still had the Book of Enoch
complete with them even when a
single copy could not be found
among the so called Jews of
Europe. The ruins of Axum are
enough evidence to link her
ancient inhabitants to Egypt. Why
do conquered and colonized
Africans who were literally told the
story of Mohammed, Jesus Christ
and Abraham...want to invent
histories around peoples they
never knew or heard about?

Look at where you started from, and look at where you end it. You related well with the land of punt because of material things and records chiseled into public consciousness in books.

You have good disposition to tangible record, but do you have any idea how to evaluate an intangible record? Do you have any idea how to harness oral tradition?

Do you have any pristine oral tradition at your disposal? Do you value what it is or similar linguistic items wherever?

Now you gave us a good glossary of libya and Ethiopia, but you slide to a default when you come to African history as 'conquered and colonized African people'.

Look, this default is where you are stuck to, because you can not push back behind this default line. If not, you would have been telling a story of Yoruba antiquity at that point.

Now, I have been reciting my lineage traditional account from childhood. You are only familiar with 'conquered and colonized African people',

is this more important knowledge in your custody, because that's all you have as African history. Good, but I am familiar with stories of Yoruba antiquity in my lineage.

I am not Afrocentric, don't label me, I have a traditional account that 'backtracts' behind the experience you have as default, I may see what you can't see.

.

Thanks so much for this great piece, how excellent!
This is a building-brick to the culmination of prophecies.
The prophecies of the ancestors shall come to pass, and flourish.

Thanks so much for this great piece, how excellent!
This is a building-brick to the culmination of prophecies.
The prophecies of the ancestors shall come to pass, and flourish.

NakedEve:
Oil wick lamp.

LOL,
you are the only one that really answered the op.
brilliant.

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OPCNAIRALAND:
Thank you prexios for sharing.

Welcome,

keep being curious, the more you think the more secret reveals itself to you.

Only a mediocre covers his track with malignant indignation so as not to be demystified as a stranger and a liar.


Don't engage in back and fort feat of anger, so you can establish a cogent point that becomes durable.

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terrible state of infrastructures and lack of social amenities has become a way of life to many a country man around the border communities.

and this people complained of cash crunch, building worthless fly overs where it's useless, in the name of development.

What development leads the hands we need for agriculture to stream to the city or engage in trans-border smuggling?

They prefer to make us criminals, so they can continue to rule us and keep killing our youth. God will judge if you crops of leaders fail this generation.

We don't ask for too much, give us clean water, a road and farm assistance, give us a dispensary, give us electricity, and if you can, give us educators.

You can keep what remains with you and your insatiable generation.

thanks.

OPCNAIRALAND:
I brought an information i found with me and opened the thread to learn more, I do not limit anyone from lerning or sharing what they know. So I dont know what you are talking about in regard to the thread or the referenced quotation. Please elaborate.

Great effort op, God bless.

I was discussing with my brother in the morning and this topic came to mind. He is a Christian, and was talking about his childhood that I don't know.

He was talking about being the one that helped grandpa carried his 'apo ifa' when the old man was alive.

I looked questioning, and he said the apo ifa is the same as 'ephod' or ifodu, money is always in it, and chalk, and the opele, and the saworo.

He said 'a life that has not discovered its purpose look outward and is angry with everyone believing anyone is a problem'. I took a mental note.

He talked about such languages that were used in culture shrines being different from the regular language spoken by the same group of people.

At last he said 'no gospel is worst, but the one that was never shared'. Truly, no story is bad but the one that was never shared.

I've really been blessed by that guy being my elder brother in this life. Sorry if it seems I've brought family story here again.

I'm not akudaaya, (zombie). I belonged to a household I'm very proud of, my pride is not supposed to pain any one except an orphan. So sorry.

I have great love for being loved and strong emotions to express it, love is divine, hate is for children of ceaseless sorrows and moodswings.

enjoy the beauty of the day.