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The man who will tell the Yoruba history authoritatively must himself be a Yoruba man, with the values and ethos of the Yoruba ingrained in his consciousness right from childhood.

Oriki is meant to communicate with the Yoruba man, the import is to remind the Yoruba of her identity. We are admonished time and again to "ranti omo eni ti iwo nse".

This means, remember the Scion of whom you are. I remember mine in my family oriki, and it goes thus:

Omo Ola,
Omo Ose,
Omose o see rofo,
Omo olomi nibusun,
Omo osun f'odo ro'ri.
Omo oniporogun l'ode orun.
Omo ogbale s'osa
Omo ogbale tan ti sasara b'omi
Omo onigbo muri
Omo elepo'ru.

Every line has a meaning. We will be exploring the meaning sideways with another oriki from Eletu Iwase. The comparative study shows similar style.

There are countless ways the founding fathers of the Yoruba civilization had tried to reach us with wealth of information and knowledge that has formed the bedrock of Yoruba culture.

One of such sees to the invention of oriki, meaning "geneological praise". It's definitely a great family poetry that seems ordinary but loaded with meaning. I will start with my family oriki, ile latii keso r'ode.

macof:
I am now one of your obsessions... Disgusting

As Olu was your obsession when you created a counter thread for him in unanswered question on Yoruba Hebrew origin.

You can always run, but you can never hide, just as you are hiding under this post to cover your shame or lack of it.

macof:
this guy is sick. So much whining
Jeez, get help

Do you see how brief and irrelevant to the post your attack is? Because it's a smokescreen to cover the obvious.

You can never get beyond your cover because it can be delicate.

I've seen that the software could not give a sensible reversion to English, and you are not prepared for another scandal after the "e sise si iko Yoruba yin" saga, where you mean this to say "you made mistake in your Yoruba".

A native Yoruba would say "miole rerin" or "mofee rerin ku". What does your version translated to in English? You are thinking from English to Yoruba, using a software.

Your incompetence dossier is on the way

I thought you are the champion for Niger Congo linguistic family? You have methodology learnt from your professor. Can you think out of the box?
Yes, you claimed.

If so, how come the same you mocking my claim that odion and odiyan means the same thing when its not long ago you claimed fon and Igbo have vocabulary and semantic connection with the Yoruba?

Of course I know you are snooping on my point about avoseh and afose, and Onitsha and Ado nidu. You failed to provide a valid instance from your professor. You have "mindshare" with me in this circumstance.

So, if the Yoruba who has close affinity with Edo cannot have a word with the same meaning, can you remind me how the two languages could share common origin?

Your mind is not where your senses are, you have no clue what you stand for, you are clever but not intelligent. Since you cannot learn from people more intelligent than you, you failed to recognize "cognate" in two kindred languages.

But you can speak on Viking, French, Norse, Farsi and so on, but a clueless chauffeur on the language of your primary assignment.

You are fighting against your claims.

macof:
what exactly is this mess?
God sent you to Yoruba to declare them Hebrews
The man on a divine mission to direct Yoruba to a divine people
Master Hebrews are calling

What an overbloated ego that doesn't check with the reality of your knowledge
This is what happens when you have no substance outside your imagination

U're a man void at the core of your being, a thin god unto himself, casting down anyone who never share your dream or sentiments.

When I inferred philosophy, citing great ideas from the heart of secular thinkers, the "healthy" you declared you have no interest in my dream or philosophy. Now that I wax spiritual, you found that to be a sickness.

I thought my dream or philosophy or divinity ought not interest you. Did I stop you from your expression of atheism or whatever ego you choose to believe about the rudder of your life?

Your existence is incomplete when you have not spread hate around your sphere of influence. I am the reason you are alive.

To build a thing is hard, to destroy it is easy. It's foolishness to continue building for a destroyer to do his job and claim the glory.

The best thing to do is leave the building to the destroyer,, he can build nothing with his bulldozer tools. He will be all about searching for what else to destroy.

A destroyer can never be called a builder.

It's unwise of a builder to get entangled with a destroyer. The two never work together.

Olu317:
Pardon me bro. I have been a bit here and there. And thank you for your compliment. Sometimes, I away from online commentary out of weariness. So accept my apology.

Besides, I have not seen much from you lately and some other guys who are actually doing justice to mysterious identity of the Yorubas, either via internal influence or external influence which some of us are opening the eyes of other people who underestimated Yorubas footprint in their original abode to migrants status across the globe.


On the Armana pictographs, of the Egyptian control over Israel after the fall to Babylonia is likened to present day Nigeria, when Britain is partially controlling and influencing Yoruba Nation at the detriment of rightful people to the throne and posts across board.Although Yoruba religion support divine authority to any position which has made Yoruba people persevere in whatever position one find himself or herself.

On the account of Joshua's biblical history,the man was actually half caste,like many other Classic Hebrews because his mother was actually called a black woman from Ethiopia/Kush linked. And, the man was actually spiritual and physically strong,which account for his great exploit and killing of Adonisedeq,who was the Canaanite king at that time.

On the divergency, I guess it is normal for us to share different view because as you had opined,that I agreed that even identical twin don't share same view often. Although, I posit my view based on my palaeography knowledge of mine and knowledge of Yoruba oral history, inscriptions,panegyric, which is what remain the basis for my work,which I intend working on to justify my book,that I intend to publish in some years to come.



Cheers for now

Very insightful post. I love that you mentioned weariness. Juggling life and other stuffs and doing this on the internet. I must tell you we are mistaken making post upon post out here.

My wife always have issues with me doing this. She asked if it's some kind of cultism discussion going on. And why the negative words.
.What are we doing here bro? We are not different from the prodigal son, with generational blessings, he think of nothing else to do but squandered all. And for what end exactly?

For Yoruba? Really?

Is this the Yoruba we were sent to? Is this the avenue to reach them? We are dining with swine's here bro. I realized that of late. God planted the swines here to push us to the true task he formed us for.

I agree with you that it's time to stop dining with swine and do the needful. You bring the best in you here and offer it, macof brings nothing but destroy whatever you bring. The Pearl and the swine, how do they connect?

He's smart, he brings nothing to the discussion table. As such, he has nothing to lose, but you know what? You and I have everything we have to lose. Time, confidence, convenience and possibly convictions.

Has he ever offer you a piece of material that forms his believe or principles? You're dealing with an original agent of Satan. A man without valid integrity. The best is to resist the devil, not to contend with it.

He's subtle and you can never win him in his game. You are not playing the game he's playing, neither am I. So I go with your offer to stop squandering the insights we have received so far. It's already been tested.

Archimedes said "give me a place to stand and I will move the world" this is not the place to stand to move the world, it's the idea that you have that must spark and move the whole world. You move the world with your book, not here.

Stop dealing with this unhealthy fellow, sooner or later it will wear you out insulting your dad. He's having the fun of his life and if you continue, you might lose your value. I have stopped on this page dealing with a fellow like that.

I will like to contribute to the making of your book buddy. I will provide you a thousand copy of 100 pages for free if you can make it happen. That should get you busy and out of here till December.

I know it's a hard habit to break, hence I rather use my wife's fone. Put your efforts in your own works, it will speak in the future, not here and now.

Allow macof to teach the Yoruba what they are supposed to know.

Read more, improve on your content presentation, trim off the clutters and you are good. You are versed enough sir. Most of all, drop the "Oduduwa hegemony" to allow even flow of ideas into your plot.

Do we have a deal?

Olu317:
I am good and you? Thanks brother.

I'd miss some of your input.

We might not agree on some issues, it's not hard feeling. We are humans working with ancient tradition, there's room for differences because we are not an artificial intelligence machine.

We are not also thinking from the same brain as we are capable of coming out with a divergent view that is connected in the core. The core being future discoveries.

The Egyptian connection to this work is very fact. The Egyptians control the Levant at the time of the patriarchs no doubt. They disdain the bedoins as sanddwellers.

The armana letters shows where the power house was at the time, and the letters confirmed the Bible as a carefully writing historical source for the time.

Adonizedek was complaining bitterly about the Invaders. He was really sick of them. You know that's the name of the king of Jerusalem killed by Joshua?

That validate the Bible character from another source back in the remotest time.

macof:
kíákíá lo fẹ́ gbé Egypt sọnù
Ẹrin fẹ́ẹ́ pa mi

Okobo 'o bimo sitosi!

The impotent man don't have his children nearby. This is the way Yoruba salute people who "says" excess when they were meant to "do" little.

You could have used your brain to express your thoughts in Yoruba when you said "I'm more Yoruba than your father". That's too much for too little.

Your precision machine could help you interpret this English thought to Yoruba, but cannot break antique word when it needs to.

Then again you could use the machine, why not on the post that question your Origin? You know you won't escape scrutiny if the harmony is broken.

It reminds me of olaochi who could write Yoruba with all the diacritics in place but failed to solve a simple question, interpret.

macof:
How to spot a fraud

You are the fraud here bro. To a fraud, every thing fails, only the fraudulent remains.

A fraud never gives anyone benefits of the doubt because fraud lack the attributes of sincerity in its core. So he never take chances.

Fraud will pretend to be who he's not. I am not claiming to be an Israeli national, but rather that the ancient Yoruba migrated from the Levant. That's a research thesis, or observation, not fraud.

You are no Yoruba pretending to be one. That's fraud. You are an imposter.

macof:
All this Odiyan na Odion people sef

Hmm, again, you have just failed to see the confirmation of that connection in the oriki because I didn't break it down.

Kai! You are smart but unintelligent.

That you miss this, claiming the oriki implies that the family came from bini shows you are trailing my steps and couldn't find it out yourself.

It's the last straw that breaks the camel. f you are Yoruba, translate what you said about your laughing back to English word for word.

Olu317:
macof, I have answered many questions through my paleography knowledge and the transliteration . But your uncultured vulgar words pisses one off because, you are contesting what you don't have knowledge, which is highly shocking. Therefore, if you want intellectual juxtaposition, then rebrand yourself and I will teach you more on Classic Hebrew's language. In fact,the comparison between the Hebrew block letters that came into use after the Babylonian captivity (that commenced about 586 BC), the proposed original alphabet of "Proto-Hebrew" and the Egyptian Hieroglyphs may have been the basis for many of the letters. (from Douglas Petrovich)

Additionally, the discovery of many other alphabetic inscriptions in the Canaan area dated to the period from 1200-1050 BC helped facilitate the understanding of This lettering and its migration which was also found in Egypt.

Mind you, I am from an ancestor whose is from ‘Oru', which imminent in my general oriki. And it is of good note that,Oru/Or, are true cognate with same in meaning.

Hello, it's been a while. Hope you good?

macof:
LOL. Of course overwhelmed with irrelevant nonsense and whining. I'm not interested in your personal philosophy and life's dream and experiences

Please, I'm waiting for the day you will final provide better understanding and not word play
Because so far... All na wash
You are a fraud that's all anyway

What else should I expect you to say?

Already the Niger Congo linguistics is your history, elders and scholars have stamped it, you are to defend the culmination of knowledge with the last blood flowing in your vein.

Every other thing is counterfeit bro.

Greet your father for me.

macof:
When you are tired of seeking relevance you will go and seek mental treatment.
You have not yet found what you want from life, this history thing is not your thing at all

Of course, that's the line you draw when overwhelmed. My point is established, you will always run from pillar to post.

Just think the thought, let me deal with it.

When you are tired, you will go back to where you truly belong. As often as you imagine, as often as I will provide you with better understanding.

macof:
This dullard just likes hyping himself
I am not yoruba so I will not understand? your father is not more Yoruba than me.. Go and ask him for your Hebrew ancestors

This further proves that you are not Yoruba. However you want to hide by bringing me to insulting you.

I have left that level of conversation. It should be your strength for lack of home training and ethics of public speaking. Nkiise omo irankiran. Baaba ka eru, inu eru a baje.

I learnt the principle of using a methodology in historical research from you??
No, not my professors, not my studies but some dullard on nairaland who doesn't even respect nor use a methodology

Who cares where you learn methodology from fella? Use the process to solve problem, nna. If you like, learn it from Cambridge, better insight await man from least expected people and places than what you think you know.

I've told you before that your education made you push value around rather than create value. We're not talking about process, but application of process for results. Leave the hide and seek game unless you can't.

I've asked you to tell everyone what you mean by Green Sahara, you are no longer talking about that. So kiddish. Soon you bring that up again as though it's something worth keeping. I don't blame you, I get your time na im cos.

The folk traditions you keep mentioning very well dispel any idea of Hebrew origin, the oriki and sayings do not remotely imply Hebrew connection. Your obsession for Hebrews is so unhealthy and I've said it before that you have never seemed psychological OK

This doesn't interpret the antique word "Eletu Iwase" or "nigba Iwase". Does it? We are tired of your grammar, exploit methodology and let's see how you use the process on the simple historical words.

That it's costing you this stress implies that you have no idea. Tell us something. Talk is cheap. Polemics don't solve this problem, when you realize that, you have good attitude naturally.

The elders are clear on the fact that Yoruba believe to be the source, not sourced from others
But a dullard who has no single significance is so out seeking for relevance to challenge those who know better than you...

Bro, I am Yoruba. Bomode o batan, onilati ba arobba. Aroba ni baba itan. Omode gbon Agba gbon lafi dale'fe Ife. Owo Omode ko to pepe, tagbalagba o wo keregbe.

Elders in Yoruba are people who want to know why an oriki of the great Ooni would say "omo agbegbede Oyinbo", (Olu will also want to know), or that of Eletu Iwase, omo oyinbo f'oju orun s'ona.

It's not my first encounter with such either, I also have mine that says "mogbo ayato, omo oyinbo aise, omo afija sinu pete erin..." from my maternal grandmother.

Although she's Wae Agonnenu like my paternal grandfather. Her mom was the Scion of Agoro, resident in idojigan quarter of Ado. I dwell on this for a purpose.

At age 9, my family were preparing for "agogbo" meaning great burial feast. I was sick and laying beside my grandma. She was speaking about her mom and said if she knew how to write, she would have written about her mom.

It's at this conversation it occurred to me that people actually wrote books, I said in my mind, "when I grow up, I will write my book" So, I'm not seeking relevance here, I'm just on my path to greatness.

So, what is constant here is the "Oyinbo" and it's no crime in finding out more. You have no such experience as mine, I understand your concern, you are a necessary obstacle to become a stepping stone.

Where the case such that your challenge came with points that actually disprove the position of your betters, we would have taken your claims seriously and maybe even awarded you honours for seeing what scholars and elders failed to see

You are not capable of thinking out of the box. This imaginary authorities have cowered your ability to be free and formulate your thoughts based on what you can see through tradition, I veered off such influences from you to me..

You can read up on the philosopher called Baruch Espinoza, he was the first to introduce historico-criticism of the Bible. He was excommunicated from the synagogue, but he was fulfilled by the simplicity of his works.

Espinosa teaches that God is not the master puppeteer, but that he lives in us to make the choices we make. We are thus like a miniscule passing in the aeons of time, doing what is in our nature to do.

You are doing what is in your nature to do, being a stumbling block. I am doing what is in my nature to do, using you as a stepping stone. So, we are here helping each other to be fulfilled.

After stating that science is borne of observation and evolves through stages to become fact
You still went ahead to proclaim Yoruba migration from Isreal as if it were a fact
Your so called observations have already been flogged off as obsessions and overstretch.

If so, have you found the Niger Congo to be a historical claim that had evolved to become a better fact? When was that discovery? According to Goethe, "a man who cannot draw from 3,000 years ago is living from hands to mouth."

Okay, so the classifications that came after the observation of the similarities in Sanscrit and European languages equally explain the origin of Yoruba? Because it was the explanation for the European language, it's 'history' to Yoruba?

An hypothetical classification of language in the same family for linguistic identify became our antiquity in the hand of scholars as longitude and latitude become real lines to quack geographers.

If that's the case, the folks concerned should speak mutually intelligible languages, share common origin in their folklore. Do we have that as the case? So this classification is hypothetical.

You are not sick.

You already have a conclusion and only use word play to attempt to fill the gap between observation and conclusion, basically refusing anything that could lead you away from Hebrews
You are not after facts... You are after Hebrews
You are a fraud and a mentally sick one

Use the same words and their true meaning to burst my ruse. If I say ijebu is double for Jebusite or Jebus as you have it in the Bible, you use the true meaning of Ijebu to expose me.

Just as I am after Hebrew, you are not. "For the product of an action to be in equilibrium, there must be equal and opposite reactions." Says Sir Isaac Newton.

You are equally sick from the opposite direction.

macof:
that is not how historical linguistics work

Pidgin English can't be Niger-Congo because despite local words in pidgin, it's diachronic nature is simply not related to other Niger - Congo languages.
What you mean might be that pidgin English gets dropped after greatly influencing a Niger-Congo language

Take the Turkish language for example, it is a turkic language that the Turks adopted after a possible switch from a Farsi related language... Hence cognate words are found in Farsi and Turkish... A relic from the time before the Turks spoke Turkish
Another example is Norman French which when the Vikings switched to French retained some Norse words


So if Yoruba people ever spoke Egyptian/Kemetic, we must have switched to a different language
Same applies to those who think Yoruba language is semitic

Of course in all of this there's no evidence that Yoruba language even has any Kemitic or Semitic inheritance

Your examples are Turkish, Vikings, Norse and French when you are dealing with a Niger Congo linguistics. So no worthy examples within the linguistic family?

You are a good 'electronic historian', you have no intelligence to postulate instances in the languages you claim to know so much about.

But you know everything about distance languages that you can draw instance from such to explain your blind spot.

Your blind spot is that you are not versed in any indigenous language that you can't figure out online.

macof:
you had posted this before and I ignored it being another useless irrelevant post which you are known for
Editing it to mention me to it doesn't make it less useless

I don't know what you are referring to here bro. Yoruba dun l'ede, baaba ka eru, inu eru a baje. You are not Yoruba, so I understand your frustrations.

I have addressed everything here from the importance of having a methodology and taking folk traditions seriously to what language families are all about.

How does methodology became a crucial subject on this thread brother? You don't often get it when I push you to the edge of your intellect. "Methodology" is a "process", not "result".

You apply a process to get results. How I wish you understand the difference. A good instance present itself to you earlier, but you blow it with the need to be a 'phantom authority'.

It's not methodology that's the next port of call. It''s appraisal and classification. You seem to be stuck to the word and failed to learn further.

Classification And Appraisal

You can classify an oriki by it's literary specifics as inherent in it's content and plot of it's composition to enable valid appraisal on it's historical importance.

Methodology was the word I first used here replying you at page 3, at page 42, it enter into your lexicon and recently, it's your validation for development of history by a university product. History is not all about this register, you can talk about something else.

Folk tradition derived from a group of people on their own, the details are transmitted orally or otherwise through the culture, and it gets to the receiver at the other end of time.

There's no methodology about this other than mouth to mouth transmission of ancestral pedegree. This was how oriki get to us.

Must everything be endlessly enslaved to methodology?

Thinking outside the box does not mean dismiss every fact and present delusions in its place. You are not thinking outside any box, you don't even understand or know what the box is

Well the box you operates from is apparent to me. Your character defines you: your SKA Skill, Knowledge and Attitude is the feedback from rational reactions to the Hamitic theory of the last century.

This theory produced a historical activism in you as in many and people react to it differently. People are unique and your angle is a good example of this.

Coming from a dullard who couldn't comprehend what the idea of Green sahara is or any other thing you jump on to attack

Well sorry if I've attacked you. What do I know when all I know is that I don't know anything. Tell me what Green Sahara means. Seems history depends on it.

Neither Oriki nor any form of yoruba traditions is your "guide" you have here on this very thread proclaimed Yoruba traditions wrong when you cannot overstretch Hebrew into it.

Kindly call my attention to it. How do I come to that conclusion? Except you want me to buy any junk that cannot be validated by another tradition as pristine tradition.

The Eletu in question traces his origin in that oriki to Benin and not Edom or Jordan or Israel. And nothing implies the act of migration in the words "Eletu Iwase"..

My brother, you are not Yoruba, so don't bother your head trying to teach me my language. But if you must do, Yoruba is a tonal language, try interpret the word to suit your argument. Then give us your version.

That's the deal. I am waiting.

And even if we start talking about migration, why Semitic people, chiefly Hebrews?
When you are obsessed with Hebrews you want to see them reflected everywhere

Well I don't know how to get you to understand. Let's say the history of the Yoruba has some entries that matches with the history of the Levant in place names, this create double entry in human history.

If such come across to you as phenomenal, you are at liberty to write about it to further the understanding of knowledge enthusiasts. The same thing may be thrash to another person.

It's the same thing that inspired at first the interest in Indo-European language, which spiralled down to Greenberg work and classification of the language in linguistics. I never learn this from you, but now you know.

This gives a hypothetical framework of the original language that the people so classified could have spoken originally. Note "hypothetical".

If you have scientific background, you should know that idea moves from observation to hypothesis then to theory and if unchallenged, it becomes a principle. Your own is from observation to principle.

I have also taught you severally that saying Yoruba are local West Africans doesn't mean Yoruba are uncivilised. Africans are not uncivilised people who need the middle East to "have a history"

This is the core of your intellect. You need not teach me your worldview. Rather, it's like saying "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". I don't equate "emigration" to "civilization". You are aware of your limitations, not mine.

I know things are hard for you to swallow. I duly respect every source of Yoruba tradition and do not buy into seeking from the Oduduwa stories to validate my findings, but from common Yoruba tradition. So, I don't share the imperial bug.

I don't peddle Hamitic theory, I never claimed some people mixed up with the Yoruba. I said Yoruba ancestors emigrated from the Levant, I know that's breathtaking, kajiko? Hence the Yoruba claims to be "omo anibi ni Iran."

The Yoruba Civilization

Civilization is human property. Civilization is part of the characteristics of man. Every human being that gathers and agree to common purpose and fraternity are already on the way to building a civilization thousands of years ago.

The moment the Yoruba ancestors migrated from the Levant, a civilization is borne. Wherever they anchored, they become a civilization and since they were derived from earlier civilization, you have token from such in their culture.

But of course a relevance-seeking-know-nothing cannot get it and would rather keep running in circles

Thanks.

Macof

Bloody clown
Linguistics and historians are wrong despite the evidence
But a Jobless frat like yourself who has been debunked time and time again is correct. You have failed to make a superior argument yet wish to be accorded superior respect

It's interesting how persistent you are in your phantom expertise and onerous debunkery business. Do you roll in as multipurpose linguistic and historian here?

So, "Niger Congo" and "late Stone Age" are debunkery of my claims? Or slamming my posts with "furgery" and what's not a debunkery?

You can never think out of the box or box me up in your convenient convictions. Your claims are your views, not fact. No one argues with fact. So, your education is not my education, so just keep your lane.

I have never mocked any oriki. I mocked your interpretation of it as an obsessed attempt to link Yoruba to Hebrews. Nothing in the Eletu Iwase oriki connects the family to Hebrews
What's more you try to apply the oriki of a single family to the origin of all Yoruba. How dumb is that

Well it's because you are not Yoruba. If you are, you would know that when Yoruba says "nigba Iwase" they were referring to "the inception".

Now that you know, don't mesmerize, just give another better word for this in your findings or understanding. Use it to butress your next points.

If a section of the Yoruba, a family for that matter has a credible contribution to add to the memoirs of the antiquity of the Yoruba, would it be dumb to categorize the entry in a time suitable to the PLOT of the oriki?

@the bolded, by the name of the family in question, Eletu Iwase means "coordinator of the arrival at inception". If you have a better meaning, offer it.

So, how do you expect me to understand this about the oriki and still fail to see that the pioneer of that family line played a crucial role at the inception of Yoruba?

I am not the one doing the talking, the oriki is my guide. The patriarch was long gone but a family kept the memoirs, others might be descended here that have lost connection.

Many leaders were on the ships of the founding fathers, and we have contacted the family whose father captained the ship. Oduduwa was not everything Yoruba. There were others too.

Even members of the Eletu Iwase and Eletu Odibo families in Lagos who have the "ọmọ odiyan" in their oriki have never claimed to be from Israel or Jordan or anywhere in the middle East but some frat wants to use their oriki to say something that isn't there

And "omo oyinbo f'oju orun s'ona" means that they were trying to establish their confidence in "Niger Congo linguistics" and had never had contact with any other race talkless of spotting a mention of such in their pedegree?

What stops them from mentioning a place like Fon or Igbo that better butress your point? How did I implied Odiyan means Israel or Jordan or anywhere in the middle East?

Instead of searching for a parralel (oriki Eletu odibo) and referring us further to "what we cannot see" as "fact", kindly do us a favor,

1. Pick the one you have and tell us what it's plot is all about,

2. Compare it's content with that of the parralel if necessary.

At some point, history calls on folk tradition. Let's see how your proficiency solve this traditional problem. It's not Everytime you have to insults, sometimes you delve into tradition.

You talk of METHODOLOGY very often, apply it on this piece as an authority.

kayfra:
This thread is an embarrassment to Yoruba heritage

...whose ancestors were Charles Darwin's 'great ape' or Greenberg's "[proto]Bantu" proper.

What do I know without a university degree

Olu317:
I can't phantom the reason people impersonate other someone's identity,especially if it has to do with ethnic setting ..I just wonder

Most people are not comfortable when others make progress, so they will find fault lest they are the only sad person around. No one can give what they don't have. The dude is one of the many psycho wandering about on this forum.

Shila16:
You are a great story teller, I learnt alot

Omo ale nii fowo osi juwe ile baba re.

Shila16:
Mr man you are talking trash, we Yoruba have no correlation whatsoever with the Hebrews

Ok thanks for sharing your opinion. You can substantiate your claim with your findings about Yoruba origin.

Shila16:
I have been able to save #300000 but I dunno the business to go into that's going to yield profits.Nairalanders abeg I need your wise advice .Having heard of how people getting scammed ,all I need is something legit

How old are you?

Whatever you do to raise that much can help you make millions, don't be in a hurry to start something else because, the more you have to start, the more you have to lose. Its not about the big money, but good idea that you invest 20% and cash out 80%. Then rinse and repeat.

Be humble to learn from those that know better than you and apply their wisdom in your life and business and it will be good for you. What you are experiencing presently is the temptation to ground your business capital under the pretext of "what next?". Don't be stuck on sucker.

There is nothing like where to relax when you are just waking up in the morning into business. So, if you hide from hardwork, you will be exposed to hardship. Go and face the "brainwork" that goes with good success, and success will befriend you always. You haven't arrive yet.

That's what you ought to do and do more buying and selling for profits. Meanwhile, intellectual expertise is beyond buying and selling. If you can solve your own intellectual problem, you can proceed to solve we Yoruba problem banking on your intellectual prowess on Yoruba.

For now, you are a trader, not a scholar.

Olu317:
This second line that says,“The second line is telling, as it is in harmony with what Iba means, "a rodo do", "ado odo", "a ri odo do si". "Arododo pogo lori esin" means "One who discovers and camp by the bank of the river, killer of the glorified horse rider".

There is something unique about Yoruba people and how they put so much attention to waters and rock-hill. The reason being that, there is a preference by yorubas to live around location, where water is easily accessible if war isn't threatening. And during war time, they seemed knowledgeable about surest location for defence,which is in between rocky hill for safety. This is what I connect with “Ado odo”, “ a ri Odo do si". In fact, Odo is even deeper in meaning than river or bank of river from my deduction but valley; a rocky area, where water and shelter is found,either for tranquillity or during war period. Plainly a place one can live or dwelling.

Furthermore, Yoruba call a valley environment Odo and same goes for river as Odo,which the two are used for defence and weapon to defeat enemies. Thus,eba odo, eba odan, Iba dan; simply means, camp by the rocky environment,where water can be accessed.Invariably a kind of a valley.

Interestingly, the ancient Hebrew have many words for same place as founded in Yoruba enclave and one such name in classic hebrew is called “Medor" which its meaning is as follows: dwelling, place, base, from my research, which connect more to the same word as Do-Tedo-Medo ; dwelling or settlement camp .

On a last note, Ebora is of Yoruba origin and its actual meaning has to do with discoloration of a particular Yoruba ancestors, who was mystical and different from amongst the people he once lived. In fact part of the panegyric of Oranfe is , Ebora Ti N Je Ewe Gbegbe.


*It took me time to retype this because the messages wiped out. Anyway, I hope you are good.


Cheers...

I'm good bro,

you made some interesting points up there, God bless your wit.

Olu317:
My view on this Celt are as follows

1. I deduced the history of Celts across Northern Europe and environs, showed there were people around 300s BCE that moved from Middle East,with the named Ibri,Hiber or Eber,Ebora etc, which Plutarch connected the Hyperboreans with the Gauls who had sacked Rome in the 300s BCE. And these people have been identified with the Celts and Scandinavians.The early Greeks thus identified the northern peoples as Hyperboreans meaning Hebrews.

2. That they (or their Roman successors) also equated the Israelites with descendants of Cronus (Saturn) whom they said had been exiled from the Middle East and gone to live on one of the British Isles.
This legend reflects the Exile of the Ten Tribes of Israel who went to the west and a portion of whom from an early date did indeed settle in Britain. Unfortunately, these people only know the named ancestor as Iber,Hiber,Eber,Ebora,etc but don't know the meaning, until the defined meaning as pass over,migrants, nomadic people etc.

Very accurate of you dear brother. You need not wonder how the claim of the rabbi parralels with that of the Yoruba. Remember where we are coming from, Iba Oluyole, who loaned the Yoruba eponymous name "Ibadan" the prefix "iba" from his ancestral name: a line of his orile says

Oluyole oluyowon Igbo,
Arododo pogolori esin,
irin wowo wi
ase buruku
se rere.

The second line is telling, as it is in harmony with what Iba means, "a rodo do", "ado odo", "a ri odo do si". "Arododo pogo lori esin" means "One who discovers and camp by the bank of the river, killer of the glorified horse rider".

That sentence is loaded with meaning, one is translation of Iba and the other, the oriki that Jacob gave to Dan as the serpent that bite the horse heel and the horserider fell. I think the Ilorin cavalry is an attestation to this fall.

Gen. 49:16-18.

I put the Ado as a reminder to the notion that our ancestors were seafarers and the bank of the river or coastland was often their target, hence we have the word Ibudo "that which has river (or bay)" as the word for "settlement" in Yoruba, such as we have in ido, tedo, adaludo.

And from the odu Ifa that you based the narrative of ebora, as being victimised,could be termed to be an abnormal man, perhaps with skin discoloration(albinism),which the onifa/Olifa/adifa, advised him to brace up for the challenge by using a weapon to fight any man who look down on him with disgust and harassment, from wheresoever....

However, my submission is that Éba - Iba and Ibri,Hiber,Ebora may actually be words that grow out of the same root. While its meaning has been unable to deduce by some of the migrants party whose ancestors didn't have the opportunity to reveal the meaning as a probable reason beyond our immediate knowledge.

In all of this,it is also same problem associated with yoruba of today whose original history is in obscurity. Even to have become embarrassment that the most respect king in the whole of Yoruba land can't even realise the gravity of making mistake is non forgivable in Yoruba Nation.

That is it, the Celts have something similar with the Yoruba past being explored here and though they were part of the larger "white population", they (the Celts) still have the distinct peculiarity that can be explored back to its root (based on ancient words that has survived) down some thousands years, instead of being lumped up into an "all inclusive" anglo-saxon historical tradition.

They were not seen as suffering from "inferiority complex" because of this claim, yet that's often the noise here because the mystery (science) of the birth of races beat the present limits of knowledge. it is not possible to unravel a knowledge that one cannot fathom.

Olu317:
Complement of the season to you.
And I have seen it. Quite voluminous though I will go through it.


Thanks
Cheers

It is indeed, you know if a prose is well written, you wont mind the volume and time to read it over and over. I like what that rabbi has done on the topic, no dogma all plain expository from start to finish. From it i've learnt alot too.

A fool has said here sometimes ago that there is no relationship between Iberia, Spain and Portugal, that Ibadan is from Iba (edge) of the savanna (Dan), I think that great fool also needed to read the info, not to learn as its impossible for him to do that but to keep quiet as he has been.

Now that bring us back to Odu Ifa Oturupondi that I shared sometimes ago:

Oturupondi yi eyin o pomo ire, eri bi Orunmila gbe soro bee si?

Nibi t'lologbon meji bati gbe nsoro, okolo ti'mbe nibe a d'ofo...

Adia fun atori rojojo tii s'eru akora ebora.

According to this piece, Ebora often had confrontations with people he come across in his itinerary life, such that they often waylay and assault him. Then he combined two to three and went to a seer for advice.

The seer asked Ebora to find a very tough cane that he would use in self defense any other time he has confrontations with the detractors. Once did, the notorious detractors were wary of confrontation with Ebora.

Ogbon nii segun, the cane referenced there implies wisdom, knowledge and understanding. May God bless us with mouth speaking great wisdom as he has promised, every trade in life has its "enemy of progress".

Just now, I used the same search query above on google and I found hordes of impressive information out there other than my first port of call. One of such is Mr. Steven M Collins' website on the topic. He (like we wanted to do) has two books on the topic already. I believe it would be a good read.

Now my interest is the psychoanalysis of the folks here who have no idea of their origin or a pint of knowledge on what we are talking about or good understanding of the very idea they ascribe to, but enmeshed in vain glory that evolution may ascribe to them for being African...

To them, being too "self conscious" to the extent that you see yourself as different race that could not have "devolve" from other race is not seen as inferiority complex but "science", meanwhile what is food for the goose is food for the gander, evolution argues for devolution.

When a black man become ardent believer in evolution and replaces every form of black history with this and garnishes the same with sentiments that debunk ancient historical connections, but praises biological or paleontological claims, this is inferiority complex hiding behind education. However, when the same set of people cannot make head or tail of simplest historical data, it becomes grandiose delusion.

I hope you read and understood my analytics on the post by ladionline? People who invent stories have no connection to the fact, its the fact of history that we should rather ponder upon rather than self conscious sciences. evolution antagonizes creation, but evolution trace back to devolution.

Epicure, who contends with the stoics told us that the world with her seas and mountains will equally devolve at some point in time (hence the saying "change is constant", so if that change got us here, it is a continuum and you don't know its schedule because its greater than you. How then are we any stakeholder in a process in which we are a raw material?

So, why argue to protect ideas that you have no clue how it got us here for the complexity of materials at its disposal to wrought its purpose? just like Aristotle says, people believe a thing because a popular person has said it. The Source of all materials has purpose for creation, and its not haphazard or in disarray as the whole creation is in form and works beyond our imaginations.

Aristotle has said that lighter thing will fall to the ground faster than a heavier object. He was speaking from "the look of things", but Galeleo Galilei countered that physics that in absence of air resistance, thing will fall at the same time (based on acceleration due to gravity). Aristotle was oblivious of acceleration due to gravity, later to be discovered by Isaac Newton.

Socrates said it: "things are not always what they seems to be", and that we resemble apes does not mean we descended from the primates and its left to whoever buy into that theory to obey their teacher as e-so-be ("Apes Obey". An idea based on "look of things" is indeed a theory. these are classical examples of how weak great thought can be.

There are things that you don't know you don't know you don't know whilst still thinking you know.

Olu317:
Unexpectedly, BOT has become a problem for posting on NL,which is the reason we need the attention of the Moderators on this forum. I hope anyone who intend to post on this platform should follow this method that has helped me out despite my long typed messages which resulted into this problem. Perhaps, you should follow this instruction as follow:

1. Type your messages

2. While typing, make sure you are 98% to end your typing.

3. Then copy your typed messages.

4. Go back to the quoted messages or to the main post if you didn't quote anyone

5. Thereafter, go forth to the space meant for creating new thread and paste the 98% messages of yours.

6. Complete it up with your remaining 2% to make your messages 100% good to go!

7. Post it.




Cheers

Thanks bro.

I needed you to check my signature for more details on the #ebora. I've had a serious one with the antispam recently and I have to resort to the last option of using my signature to furnish you with the information you are looking for.

I believe the site hebrew nations .com /celts as Israelites will help you a lot for your angle. You can just type celts as Israelites into your search engine, then you will be amazed at the wealth of info as related to what we have shared here all along.

hayoholla:
is "absolute success" your alternate moniker?

How do you do brov?

Happy Easter to you.

hayoholla:
is "absolute success" your alternate moniker?

Yes its mine.

hayoholla:
how can I reach you sire?

This is my mail
ladesther@yahoo.com

Thanks, stay blessed bro.

Watch out for these symptom when pregnant, its a sign of preterm birth

The Medical director at the hospital where my wife registered for her antenatal heard her complaining about cramp that felt like contraction with our first baby, (other doctors asked her to meet the medical director for this reason) but instead of telling her to have bed rest, he said it’s too early to say such things, at 2nd trimester. He increased her painkiller; it was an oversight, that’s a very technical error that cost us a child. Anyone can be blamed, but the loss belongs to someone.

I was a novice, I never knew that she needed to rest, but doing all sort of menial work and walking some distance to me makes a child to be strong at birth (you can imagine how far people can take some stupid advice), so I encouraged it. Lo and behold, the baby came preterm. If you feel like working when pregnant, it’s natural, but if your body type does not agree with that, stop it already. Pregnancy is the most noble work alive, do other works later.

When we first came to our present abode, it was an upstairs. First I didn’t want it because my wife has took in, but checking the apartment, I changed my mind and we moved in, and my wife was climbing up and down the stairs to buy things. By the second week, blood began. So, I learn to keep what I have with diligence. I’ve learnt my lessons the hard way. https://www.nairaland.com/3575185/how-lost-first-child

We learn everyday and its either we learn from personal experience or from around us. I wish I lived with couples that have had similar experience in the past to share knowledge how to manage spouse pregnancy, but I've learnt from my personal experience. We all have wgat we are battling with, marriage is sweet, yes but its not a bed of roses, we can't choose the challenges of life assigned to us, but manage it.

Go to the ants

One of the reasons God created the lesser animals is for us to learn from them, to mirror our ways, change our lifestyles and amend our mistakes. The lesser animals never have many of the problems and issues we have because they were perfect and consistence, they do not eat what their Maker did not put in their menu as we do, no sharwama, no fries, no burger, no soda, nor confectioneries for them, so they do not have progesterone issues, no cancer, no cystic ovary, no fibroid.

No complications at childbearing for them 70% of the time. that's worth our consideration. That’s beyond biology. It is 70% natural foods, meaning, we can only be sustained by our natural source. Our food often tamper with our DNA. The free radicals in most food preservatives distort our vital body cell, it can as well be the reproductive organ in another person, so why not stave clear of them when trying to conceive?

Please, this is the time to eat more of fruits and vegetables, especially in the morning and evening, (if you are not already doing that by now) and, my best combination is Cucumber, Lettuce and Carrot, chopped into pieces, no mayonnaise or salad cream. My wife and I took this regularly as food every evening when we were trying to conceive.

Did it work? Did it worked! This really boosts the spleen as we pee often through the night. You need consistence cleansing to get rid of waste materials that the body needed to do away with by initiating it. This diuretic formula is the best approach to organic cleansing. The phytonutrients enriches vital organs, and part of this organs are connected to reproduction, so eat.