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macof:
1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

How is it part of tradition? Care to explain?

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. this was your response in defence of Sultan Bello's canaan origin of yoruba.
"Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king"

going totally off point as usual.



4. it is Ifa. not Ifaodu. or you mean "odu ifa"? Odu-ifa are collections of stories and sayings. There are 16 principal Odu and 256 maximum. Where is this in connection to the Ephod? Is Ephod a system in which a chain of 8 cowries or 16 palmnuts are used to cast divination with a set of stories and sayings as guidance? answer is No

the Ephod is a garment worn by the jewish priests during ceremonies, yes sometimes used as a divination tool but the Ephod is not a system of Divination, it is a sacred garment not a system

while Ifa is not a piece of clothing or a tool. it is a system.

in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, Edo which are all the same thing, but you are trying to force Ephod (a garment) into the mix. It makes no sense

b. post screenshots of the books and websites

c. they enter it by walking in with their backs? is that it? that there is lmao
it is the same in Igbo shrines, same in Hindu shrines....i am sure it is a worldwide phenomena not unique to yoruba shrines and the kaaba

Also why is it that you pick so called similarities from all over the middle east, you will pick how to enter a shrine from arabs, pick "baba" from aramaic, pick opa oranyan inscription from hebrew? you don't even know where exactly you claim yoruba originate from anymore

5. You have been giving "super information" as claims here, if you know you have no intention to support your claims with the evidence you also claim to have then why so serious about the claims here?
You just make a claim here and expect to be taken seriously wothout providing any evidence for them. Make all your claims in the book where you want to provide your evidence. Just as AbsoluteSuccess blundered in his break down of the words Olofin and Atewonro in his book by using the same level of his NL posts to write a book, do not just pour out your imagination, provide evidence

Guy you have no clue what you want. How can you make claim for a man in two opposite directions? Oke ora? Heaven, sky? I already know your escape route.

One was his manifestation as god and as man later

That should be tenable to a hypnotic historian like you. It's your way of escape. What level of interpretation did you employ to get beyond all other possible meaning and arrive at the fact?

What if it's "Oduduwa a tewon ro"? That is, "one who descended from the prison"? . What stops you from viewing it from all possible angle?

macof:
LOL. Your command of yoruba language is poor for someone who calls me a non Yoruba and claims to be an expert Yoruba language decoder or cripted programmer or how do you call it again?

Ọlọfin is a dialectical version of Alaafin that stuck due to popularity.
In central and eastern Yoruba dialects it is Ọfin (Palace).
Not "one who twists the rules" ..

There is no Ewọ (taboo) in Atẹwọrọ
Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend)
So it means to descend through a chain

You should really stop, it's disgraceful what you do

When I told you that you are a plaigerising lot claiming to be historians, you were all like you are the best thing that ever happened to Yoruba history.

But here you all came for the bait because you wanted empty glory you never laboured for. Again macof, you are a pure serpent parading himself as an expert.i thought you claim "critic" is what you do best?

You can post the other info about oke ora, via Wikipedia but this tradition is not fit for public consumption, but the moment you saw my book, you became the advocate of the core truth you are hiding.

Don't you have brain enough to see I gave the very same interpretation you are submitting afresh before you did? So what's your excitement? That's called afterthought.

In fact you are a very clever clown. When you make your claim to Oke ora, I asked you for a core tradition on Oduduwa, you came up with festivals, rituals and rites of Ife.

I told you to let heaven be heaven and that you are turning the tradition of Oduduwa coming from heaven to Oke ora urban legend. You came back claiming all sorts.

Now that you saw my book, kia lo gbe oke ora ju sile, Erin fee pami So you know this but hide it from the public?

Can you see you are still confused? Can you please validate the tradition of descention of Oduduwa with fixed oral tradition from Ifa? At least you are the historian.

A tradition that has been in a culture for long should gather debris and become an enigma. A self acclaimed historian who picked up such and relay it the same way is not fit for the job.

Things are not the way they seems.

macof:
these are the kind of things they claim. No historical fact in their disposal at all

I have to say you have a weapon of scholarly texts and books

It's no news to anyone who is informed that Ife is set to have settlements as early as 500 BC using archaeological, linguistic evidence and interpretation of traditional records

One of the projects I am currently working on is about the Yoruba interaction with Muslim dominated cities in much of africa, which could even shed more light on the name "Yoruba" and just how well travelled the Yoruba were
Since apparently a few people think maintaining Yoruba are native west Africans is like saying we were primate isolationist

TAO11:


See I am uninterested in this kind of discourse.

What I will ask you to do (and be honest with yourself about is a very) simple data collection quest.

(1) Begin with honesty and fairness to yourself.

(2) Reach as many participants as you possible.

(3) Record your participant's religion of orientation (or religion of nurture).
[Not necessarily their present religion].

(4) Record also their hypothesis of Yoruba roots.

(5) I assure you even before your research that almost 100% of time your result will be as follows:

Islamic religion of nurture ---> Saudi Arabia, Mecca origin, etc.

Christian religion or nurture ---> Israel, Egypt origin, etc.

[Note: participant = those with Middle Eastern Yoruba root jokes].

Try this out and post your HONEST find on this same platform.

That should be a first step to your realization of how all the so-called research you all are doing is nothing but a self-fulfilling pseudo-intellectual goose chase.

I will be waiting to see your find.

Great confusion piece!

My error,

I forgot to put "West African" as "asset" in Yoruba history.

It's another historical phrase plucked from Yoruba antiquity.

That phrase is pregnant with "History".

illicit:
Translation



The Scion of Owa
the prodigy of Ekun (Leopard)



from the lustful savannah
the son of advocates, griots and orators

they come from a place where black sword is used in decapitating slaves,
where they killed their own children with golden ones,
In Osi of Asise

the son of potters

the son of a loaded gun.....

Great effort bro,

However I think you may have missed some great points that your oriki is meant to communicate to the historian.

My take is "... where they kill their [errant] child with a golden sword at Osi Asise". That would be the closest possible interpretation of the line in question.

Osi Asise

The left (West) side of town where offenders are beheaded. It may be in this present town or somewhere else altogether.

That the place exists will help the kids obey their parents and abide by the law of the land, such that the community is policed with the dread of the west side of town.

Omo Owa

The descent of the seekers. The Owa were an ancient guild of empire builders of Yoruba that many household in Yoruba trace their descent.

Granted, Ilesha was their capital, but the folks like every other cohesive guild at the founding era have members that sought and settled wherever they liked on the good land with their immediate family.

Hence we often have people says that they came from so and so, meaning that the family descended from a member of a group that may have camped elsewhere originally. From here we have the splinter group.

I mean, Angelique kidjo may claim that her grandmother's mom or so descended from ibadan yet that link may be thousand of years.

It could mean that Dahome and Ibadan have premordial link. The same reason the egun (Ajase) would claim to have descended from Oyo.

Then one individual from Ajase will claim his great grandpa travelled from Oyo royal family and then hunted in the bushes and built a house and the place now became a town.

Then he will recite the oriki which will surely turned out part Yoruba part egun, and one may be lucky to pick something regal from it also.

We could map the horizon today but that was not possible in the ancient times. The Yoruba device the oriki as tracer for Yoruba bloodlines.

It's worth our review because it also gives hints about how the ancestors lived and how much they knew back then. It helps us to be wiser.

Victory belongs to God.

Jman06:
Yeah, I believe our weather might be at play in controlling the spread. Otherwise, we would have been having similar situations as in Ecuador where people were dying helplessly on the streets.

Tell me something.

May the protection of God be certain over us.

In a thousand years you will go in circles with this guys without a finish line in sight. All they want is to make the subject "inconclusive".

They never made you study Yoruba history through "Yoruba indeginous knowledge", because they don't have any idea a knowledge like that exists.

The irony is to go through modern "Oyinbo scientific knowledge" as proxy to "Yoruba history". You never get to learn anything Yoruba from this folks.

Their treasure or assets are foreign words and phrases like lower guinea, Bantu, Niger Congo etc that has no interpretation in Yoruba.

Isn't that "Historical colonialism" or "whitewashed" African history by folks blaming others for inferiority complex? So what is the difference at the end?

That's fake history bro. Fake history from precision machines and Pittsburgh hoaxes. Why not employ Yoruba tradition to tell the white man's history?

We are not dinosaurs of Sahara, we don't have to be discovered from electronic apparatus, we can tell our history the way tradition put it.

We need no 40 million of years ago to be proud of. Just allow Yoruba tradition speak as your DNA and other precision machines speaks too

That's all.

Jman06:
If that is the case, we would have had the kind of situation in Italy. Anyway, anything to prevent further spread of the virus is OK by me.

You know that the Italian football championship generates crowd in their stadiums, that's the springboard for the disaster.

We don't have that kind of gathering here at this time, and then the weather and the Divine hand.

If we don't have any alternative, we'll use natural herbs. I believe that till scientifically proven cure is hatched, we must depend on nature.

Jman06:
I don't know why I keep having this feeling that something is wrong somewhere with our covid19 test results in this country!

I seriously suspect those test kits they're using! We should try to separate real cases from fake ones.

Bro, just assume that the index case that got recorded is the Italian and from there, others began to be closely monitored.

However, the issue has penetrated (earlier than this) from community level. Already, the disease has been spreading without check.

The informal index case cannot be traced by anyone, so anyone sick at this time Is a suspect. If I've had fever in few weeks ago, I am a suspect too.

Let's say Lagos State was quick at raising alarm about her covid19 cases, compare to Kano. It would be difficult tracking Kano confirmed cases now.

It's not about the equipment but poor monitoring and management of cases as they unfold. Just before it gets out of hand.

The level of awareness in Lagos will help a Lagosian to be more conscious of the pandemic and alter it's spread than where the disease is handled with kids gloves.

Let's build strong immunity, it's our lives, not government. Let's follow due process as instructed. It's well.

OgbanjeProphet:
The truth is that many people may have contracted the virus, suffered mild symptoms and become well without even knowing that they had the virus.

You have a good point there. But the question is, what did they do right?

Let's attend to our immune system. We need no government to tell us that.

We shall all share our testimonies at the end.

Spot the "phone" has it.

I just spotted the phone.

It's not a physical phone, it's the word.

MetaPhysical:
The reference to middle east is nothing but your stereotypes at play.

We've beat this thing to death already.

There is nothing wrong with Yoruba coming from middle east or china or mexico or mongolia or even sub sahara.

We are following footprints in the dust. The footprints point to Afro Asia.

Forget about where Yoruba came from, review the footprints to see where they lead, period!

Our 'historians' here complained rather than do the job. One was asking how long it took me to make a post? Is that one an avid reader?

We are working with ancient masterpieces in Yoruba and Levant linguistic tradition, he created a "mockry piece" as "just a junk" as usual.

And his brother said it's born out of "knowledge". Because if imagination is greater than knowledge, then his brother is right.

These are foolish lots.

Imagination is volume of knowledge that could ever be, which is infinity. Knowledge however is the capacity per individual to tap from this volume scientifically or otherwise.

One claims he has taught me bantu and lower guinea. The same person claiming Yoruba is his only identity. What should we believe?

So what about his other bantu and lower guinea identity? How does that flow into Yoruba history? There's no single example of what it's like.

You give precept, you give examples. Examples helps the mind understand precept. Examples is actually the root of the original precept.

The man you quoted is here with another complaining system. No new thing will be here for another long wasteful back and forth.

RamessesIV:
Lol so because of some racist in faraway europe that's why you're doing all this,lol white people said you don't have history so you're making up yours To prove what So what will the ones in native america and Australia do?

And when I refer to "negro" I refer to dark-skinned people of sub-saharan ancestry,funny how black history these days is always about the middle east and north africa and not sub-saharan africa itself �����

I have served up to this point. Thanks for telling me my error. Now whinnying got us this far.

Make a difference, start right and teach people the truth. I've not rob you of your chances.

History is not about me, you can teach without two to tango. Sorry if I've wronged you.

Leave me out of it and teach.

ekitimanalways:
Bro, you're fortunate...

LOL,

Well I didn't finally settle down with my AkwaIbom gf. I miss her though.

I eventually married an Ijebu woman.

Things fall apart the year I decided to get married by fire by force with nothing in my pocket. My lady said her bride price was 500k and some emoluments here and there. She's a princess.

My brothers came and asked about my marital plans and I shared my plans with them. My immediate elder brother can be funny, when he learned that I'm rooted for uyo.

He said the marriage would have hold before we get to Akwa ibom for the distance. My eldest brother na die. Bunch of funny people got me realize I'm too broke for the journey.

So I did proposed but really broke. My lady can't wait. I considered someone in my church. Well I targeted three ladies in my church. I was getting familiar with them. One was green.

The following week, they stole her phone. Someone close to me complained about our age difference. Then a brother in the Lord suggested my would be wife. I said no, she has almost the same attributes as my first crush.

Well I know she won't agree but just to prove to the woman who said she's my wife (ab initio) wrong that she's not.

I approached my wife. But before then I saw another babe in the church, she's so beautiful. And we've been having eye contact lately.

She sat beside me in a program and I was wearing a nice cologne and my handwriting is really nice. Also I got an award around the time.

Her dad is rich though. Her dad knows that guys are not smiling at that parish and broke guys' menace add-join. All eyes on his daughter.

Just now now the lady is heading to Canada. But she had a crush on me. I know she did.

Because of her look when news of my marriage plan broke. I've felt the same way earlier too for another lady in the church that I like.

Although I admire that rich bae but would have lose. She and my wife were both climbing down on the staircase the day I wanted to open the file for one of them, then I was at the balcony and I said "beautiful ladies".

My wife is a real beauty and brain just like the first lady I asked out earlier. It's what I was running from that I settled with.

Now in that marriage, I was once broke, but now I have peace and financially stable. I've earned respect with many folks around me for this.

I make some enemies too. Please the crust of my yarn is this: don't wait to be rich. Your success could come from your marriage.

I didn't leverage on whatever my wife had, she never worked in 4 years. But I think God blessed me through her prayers and supports.

As for my Uyo bae, it's long I've heard from her. I believe she's doing well too. I wish her all the best in life just as myself too.

She will always be my sister.

As for my original crush, she allowed the way things were then to inform her decision and her mom never helped matter.

She encouraged her to marry up which is good, but it backfire because her daughter eventually married late, not sure she had her taste. If you want the doctor, you can be the doctor too.

Her desire is to marry a doctor, but the husband turn out to be a graphic designer. The Mom was late, business is not as it used to be.

Everything is in the hand of God sha.

^^
What do you want to hear?

Covid19 will not replace man on this planet.

Cowards die many times before their death.

Shakespeare.

MetaPhysical:
Oriki can be viewed as a continuum of historical evolution for its owner.

The Oriki is a record book of deeds showing contributions and exploits of Ancestors in their dimensional capacities - vertical and horizontal!

Very well bro.

Vertical from generation to generation, horizontal by how the custodians of oriki has spread and improved upon the information handed down in their new abode.

What I've found so far is that oriki has proven to be scientific: it's a tradition built on cogent and genuine information. Then it's a guide.

When the students are ready then the teacher will appear.

The place names you've listed are the group that formed what became known as Yoruba today. Ife, Ado, Cutonu (meaning perilous mariners), Ilesha, Oyo etc, in no particular order.

From what you have posted, we'll re-exermine some words that can be considered stickers because they've stacked on since inception.

A good instance is Iwase. Its the best way to start, hence I've keep track with it. I will be back.

MetaPhysical:
Thats the right approach. I have since ignored him and his contributions. Thank God he is doing it for Yoruba.....the only one with a rich history longer than human memory.


Yoruba Imperial said he was going to do something on Ad. I think his many bans have interrupted the work. Now, ive been lazy, I said i was going to keep that thread alive but i have not. He is going to be upset when he returns. I want to see what he uncovers.


I love your thread on Oriki. I just posted on it.

God bless you!

Quite nostalgic! I've just read your post on the oriki, great insight as usual. I have a co-discussant in you.

I think Whydeh is François for Awanden, which in fon means Awan (penile, warfare) deh (tough). By this, Whydeh means battle strong.

The peoples oriki confirm the obvious: wanganvi, pekonu. Alojehvi, alojeh mapekoh. Wanganvi means "scion of the war head".

Somehow the Yoruba have equivalent for the word whydeh, Alakija, ikijah, battle strong. The earliest form of this pertains with Elekiyah. That's Beyoja.

The oriki I cited belonged to poenu, the people of the lion or feline (omo ekun) similar to the egbas' igbedu ekun tofitofi, omo ekun to tirutiru.

macof:
Again, what is your point? What exactly is to take home from this post?

There is a source where your itemized points were derived, stop taking people for a fool, give them the substance that informed your conclusion.

Giving a sketchy points afterwards your conclusion is drawn insult every reader as being incapable of making conclusion on their own.

Now, this is fresh, put the traditions you are referring to up here. You made the claim, the burden of proof is now on you.

macof:
Another nonsense.
Even on the issue of tradition of origin
We find similarities driving the conclusion that there is a pattern among Lower Guinean cultures
1. A flooded world. 2. An ancestor coming from the heavens 3. Creation of Dry land by this ancestor 4. The ancestor settling and becoming the father of the nation
This "tradition of origin" is hence "common"

So what exactly is your point with this post?
You just rant without making any real point

It's not scientific if not repeated twice. Every culture sharing this tradition should be family all across the world, not just lower guinea: by this token, every culture claiming God were family.

Because Sargon and Moses shared the same tradition of birth, then the two historical figures should be the same.

Because Bible and Epic of Gilgamesh talked about flood, then Noa and Utnapishtim should be the same and both Summer and Semitic culture should merge.

Because the Hebrew claimed to be descended from Jacob and Esau, their story should be combined with Romans who descended from Romulus and Romus, because they were twins too.

You can see how I mentioned names and places here, stop your stupid superficial copy and paste nonsense. You copy stuffs and make it your own.

Knowledge is different from information.

MetaPhysical:
Long time bro! Hope you are well and prospering.

No, i havent seen your writing on Ad. I would love to read it.

Na one by one Edumare dey reveal them. They say everyday for the thief one day for the owner.

B'Oloun bati fota eni han ni, kolee pani mo. My brov I'm pressing forward, I'm happy you find time to check out your hommies here, omo abule s'owo.

Our Igbo friends are striving to help us fix our history in proper linguistic "ancestry" made possible through precision machines and linguistic theory.

May we not be a spectator in our own history.

It's not straight about Ad but the clues derivable from it has really helped in decoding idumea and related ideas.

Work out your history and allow the Yoruba work out her history. You can explore the "we" relativity the way you like but "we" don't share common original tradition, so explore science for your "Igbo" history.

macof:
How does this address the post? another episode
You weren't talking about oduduwa moments ago. Suddenly you start ranting about oduduwa being exclusively Yoruba
Duh! Who said oduduwa was igbo?

Kindly assume I know what's on my mind for once if you are clueless about my point. I know exactly what you want to do here: I didn't say "traditional thought" if that's what "common tradition of origin" means to you.

How hhypnotism works

Earlier, all I said is that the Yoruba and Igbo doesn't share common tradition of origin. Tradition of origin to me is how a people claims they originated.

But the hypnotist created a different phrase to take us from my point to somewhere else he can do the kill.

Once done, he can party with the Igbo man he is backing up and they can have party after party, party after party after party sort of things.

Meanwhile, this is a man who did not provide any indigenous proof of connection between Yoruba and Igbo, but whose slander phrase "traditional thought" is the joker

The joker is meant to do the talk while I do the proof. At the end he has brought nothing to the table but kindled my fire to devour me. But there's something foundermental.

Communication Theory

One of the basic theory in communication that we learned at school was that information derived from a source, then travel through s channel to a destination.

I am the source of ikoko and okoro, macof is the channel, he adds nothing to it for like, 8 years. Here is the destination.

Effective communication generates feedback. Mr. Daramola (para) would say.By this, my claims are effective.

Knowledge emanates from a source, it travel through a channel as information. If macof is knowledgeable, he should draw from his own resources.

But no, he wanted to hypnotise and take us from the issue to a smokescreen where he can laugh with his brother doing nothing.

macof:
addressing what issue. I should tell you my personal details so you stalk me or even trail me to my abode? This one that you are obsessed with me
And even if you were not to stalk me. Just what does giving you my personal deitals achieve? On a faceless forum anyone can lie about their personal details. Heck. All of you Hebrew and Arab wannabes probably don't have Yoruba ancestry. You can't question someone else when you are not free of suspension of impersonation either. Have I seen your birth certificate and state of origin certificate? Do I know your face? Do I even know your name and your family members?

But buffoons like you don't think straight

Also let's be real historical research has nothing to do with whether you are from the place whose history is being talked about or not. It is only expected that natives would be exposed through the historical culture of their society to firm remembrance of their past. But what happens when a society fails to develop a solid historical culture, or foreign influences like colonisation and foreign religions corrupt their historical culture... Natives fail to have a firm remembrance of their past.

Ask any other historian about this..
But oh, well its not like you are even capable of understanding this


I am igbo, I am Edo I like how none of you attempt or pretend to find evidence for your claims anymore, seems you have found that you are all lost causes
It's now to try to "disqualify" those who challenge you from the discussion of yoruba history

Be whatever you like to be, you are a pretender with excuses you will never take from anyone as you can see in your response.

I don't have to put you to shame about this, you are helping me to putting yourself in perpetual shame on autopilot every time.

Why do what your enemy will do against himself for him? The fire of my enemies shall devour them.

Just let me handle the complicated part.

macof:
This clown is here saying Yoruba and Igbo don't share any common traditional thought
But some time ago he was trying to make out a Hebrew connection with the Yoruba word "ìkókó" and the igbo name "Okoro"
Same thing you try to do with Edo "Odion" and the Yoruba "Odiyan"

Yes I said that years ago, probably 7 or 8 years back. I said now that Igbo doesn't share common tradition of origin with the Yoruba in the simple sense that Oduduwa will appeared in their tradition.

By this token, I respect the uniqueness of Igbo tradition as different from Yoruba tradition. If I know nothing about it, the limitations are mine not Igbo tradition.

That difference extends to the uniqueness of Yoruba tradition too. If an Igbo man doesn't know a thing about Yoruba tradition, its not the limitations of tradition but that of the fellow.

The methodology inherent in this scenario is the principle of Set.

We do not share common tradition of origin. So on our original circle, Oduduwa is part of Yoruba property that does not extend to Igbo or others.

However, we were not neighbors by accident.

Whatever we shared with every other culture at our neighborhood (or beyond, as the case may be) with each having the same explanation is the "intersection" property so to say.

That property is what I mean by relativity: whatever it is we have in common with the Igbo or any of our neighbors. I am not dealing with the intersection, but with the unique Yoruba tradition.

Yoruba history is already established... So you know that? Yet you have attacked the establishment of yoruba history for years, trying to rubbish it and turn Yoruba to Hebrew descendants
You are sick mr. Man

Your sickness is assuming my inferences to twist my point to your information. Whatever you know multiplied by the fact that you are not Yoruba but pretending to be one equal to ZERO.

MetaPhysical:
He is addressing moles in our midst, which many of you have proven to be.

Why do you think many of us stopped engaging you on Yoruba topics. Your cover has been blown.

Get sense!

Yes bro, quite a while. Hope you are good bro? Thanks so much for your interest. I believe you have read my findings on the Ad?

Great knowledge is infective.

You see that they are incapable of addressing the issue questioning their identity. Even the most callous criminal breaks when you get them, imagine if they were the ones having that to use against you.

They will turn the anger to something else and you must be careful not to play their game, just keep the cool to see where else they want to hide. It's for the destroyer to find a prey.

The point is already made, only a fool wallow in their kind of polemic. Macof and ihumadinuoju were both Igbo, they needed Yoruba to be what they claimed for a purpose.

But can a total stranger become authority on Yoruba history? They were "phantom authority". They will strive but end up in shame at the end. The end is the progression of now.

kayfra:
You absolutely said nothing meaningful

Your need to be invincible is without end.

Read again Igbo man,

I'm not playing your game.

kayfra:
We don't have any Hebrew background, both imagined and contrived. Get that through your very thick but hollow skulls

Ihumadinuoju

"We" doesn't work in Yoruba/Igbo history.

Work out your history and allow the Yoruba work out her history. You can explore the "we" relativity the way you like but "we" don't share common original tradition, so explore science for your "Igbo" history.

Oko kii je ti baba at'omo k'oma laala.

Yoruba history is already "well established" on scientific "ground" and thus, not needing your "scientific" theory to function. You don't understand this "BLINK" about Yoruba history as ingrained in her culture.

That's what the thread is all about.

kayfra:
Lolz. Hebrew didirin ni. Probably bringing down the collective "Jewish" IQ down by 5 points

Dumba$$ inferior Africans

Have you seen what prejudice confused you to believe?

What does this say of your collective IQ?

The same way it has far reaching effect on your collective psychology.

I've told you before that you are fading off into thrash and vulgarity.

kayfra:
Symptoms of delusions are not exactly alike. The prognosis is exactly the same though

Igboman,

Is this the best you can do?

macof:
. this guy is a shameless buffoon.
So you are pretending not to be absolutesuccess?
Jeez! Really? You must be very stupid to think it's not obvious you run multiple accounts

Guy why are you like this?

You clutch to any flimsy opportunity like your life depends on it. But let it be another person, you cry the ocean.

I am absolute success, ladionline, prexios and 2prexios. Do I need to always remind you? Are you clear now?