goldfish80:

If only poor Alex had a defence attorney who tried to prove he made good runs in the game but passes weren't finding him, I would have exhausted a week arguing how terrible a game he had.

I have always said from day 1 that Kelechi is not best utilised as a lone forward but in a strike partnership, he will be good as a second striker. You even share the same view with me. After the Algerian game, I recall you argued against TheGoodJoe that Kelechi is better playing as SS.
Today somehow you're caught in a dilemma, you're caught in the middle of supporting your friend TheGoodJoe or standing firm on your belief.

Yes, the Internet never forgets. I can pull out your earlier affirmations that Kelechi is better as SS.

Ahmed Musa

TheSuperNerd:
I am not caught in any dilemma. Don't even think of making it a thing of emotional allegiance coz that is so lame.


I still maintain that Nacho is best utilized and in full beast mode when played behind the striker as a no.10 (AMF) or in partnership with another as a no.8 (SS) But.....

...... I am also open-minded to the fact that Nacho has shown good enough impressions as a no.9 and thus cannot be termed "Useless".

" Useless" is a huge and heavy word to use on a player who took the EPL by storm playing as a no.9. It is not fair on the lad. You saw my analysis on Nacho vs South Africa and I bashed him too.... but calling him useless is way off the mark.


And the day you or anybody call Iwobi "Useless" or "rubbish", then you will know that Iwobi's attorney is around. I guarantee it. Just do so. And Alex was not in Nacho's shoes all game. He had his own battles to fight out wide... Iwobi is still one of the top ballers and Super class acts of the team. That day was just bad for all our players... sad day but we dust ourselves up and move the hell on.


And who is scared of having you pull out what I said when I have always and always called Nacho a super hybrid?

I am not denying my stance but only stating that a fair analysis be given concerning Nacho. Terming him useless is the height of you ignoring what he still brings as a no.9 even when that is not his best/finest/most influential position.

P.S. : Even my first post quoting you saw me mention again my stand on Nacho's best/most influential position. Take a look back at it. My points and angle of discussion are put in perfect perspective here.

goldfish80:

There's a difference between playing as a no 9 and a lone striker. You still don't get it.

TheGoodJoe:


The problem is you saying USELESS as a lone striker. Haba. That is so off tangent that someone can miss road in Ojota.

goldfish80:

There's a difference between playing as a no 9 and a lone striker. You still don't get it.

TheSuperNerd:
He played lone striker a couple of times for City and still delivered the goods on certain occasions. So He is not Useless.

goldfish80:

Yes he's absolutely useless playing as a lone striker. He's not blessed with the body and strength to hold the ball up and fight 2 CBs on his own.
I have no problems with him paired up with someone in a twin strike force.
I hope it sinks in this time.

TheSuperNerd:
More news from few days back..... Success set to return.


Watford's Success Makes Himself Available For World Cup Qualifier Against African Champions




Watford frontman Isaac Success has made himself available for Nigeria's World Cup qualifier against Cameroon if he is called up by manager Gernot Rohr.

The former Golden Eaglets sensation would have made his competitive debut for the senior national team against South Africa this past weekend, but had to pull out of the squad after failing to recover from a groin injury he sustained just before the end of last season.

''Isaac Success is nearing full fitness and has promised he will
honour the next call-up if he is invited by the coach,'' a top source close to the Hornets number ten told
allnigeriasoccer.com .

''He started training with his former team in Nigeria this week, he wants to be fully fit before he returns to Watford for pre-season training.''

The 21-year-old Success made his international bow versus Senegal in London three months ago.



**Igho Kingsley


Source: http://allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=23427

goldfish80:

Having a good game here and there in such a role does not mean that's his most favorable position.
Just like when Fabregas was played as a 9 by Barcelona. It doesn't mean he's not useless in that's position leading the line.

TheGoodJoe:


Please, you played Organized football. When there is a highline, there is a lot of space at the back and the best way to utilize it is to get well timed runs into that space.

Or in your organized football, there is no space behind a highline?

TheSuperNerd:
@bolded... now you are the one not getting it. Who is talking about his most favorable position?

Haven't I already tackled, spelt out and Explained that Nacho's best/finest/most influential position is as a no.10 or no.8??

So why taking me back to "most favorable position"?

We are talking " Is Nacho useless as a lone striker?? Has he or has he not delivered the goods on a good number of occasions as a lone striker??"

That is the issue here... not most favorable position.

I have already said what his best positions are but I am not blind to the fact that he also delivers the goods in a less favorable position.

TheGoodJoe:


Please, the runs came. Looking at the above, you say the runs never came. Maybe you watched another game. If Nacho dropped deep, what happens. Let me explain to you.

The striker drops deep to help buildup plays. (this was not a problem because we got the ball to the point of given the final ball repeatedly) after dropping deep and exchanging passes, the next thing is for the striker to make piercing runs right. As he makes those piercing runs, we still need someone to make the right final balls.

We are back to square one. We did not have someone in midfield making accurate final balls. The runs made after the build-up will prove ineffective because no accurate final balls.

There was no need dropping to help build-up because Iheanacho was already making the right runs. Just get someone in the right position to make the right balls. With Mikel Obi, we would have slaughtered the South Africans in that set up.

So talking playing organized football does not change anything. You guys are also calling for the same wrong call Rohr made. An attacking change was not the solution. We needed to sort the midfield.

goldfish80:

He has been entirely anonymous for the Super Eagles as a lone forward.

Against Tanzania, he had a good game and scored a tantalising goal, I think cnn goal of the week. Odion Ighalo provided a foil for him that day and he had time and space to take shots.

Zambia, he played top with Ideye and influenced the game in the first half and got a goal. When Ideye left the pitch, he barely touched the ball till final whistle.

Senegal friendly, he came alive when Kayode or was it Success came on. Prior to that he was anonymous.

Algeria, he didn't do anything to influence the game. I can't recall him doing something really threatening as a lone striker on the day.

The less said about South Africa the better.

Togo*( nobody watched that came so can't say)

Corsica*

So yes, I still stand by my assertion that he's useless as a lone forward.

bossto:
My preferred formation and lineup against Cameroun.


Ikeme



Omeruo......Balogun.....Ekong....Echiejile


Onazi


Mikel


Moses. Iheanacho. Aluko/Musa.


Kayode.




That's my preferred formation (4-2-3-1),what do you think Elders?

Icon4s:


I think it is still too early to make a starting list.

Mickael2:


you missed the point. I said he was making runs for passes that never came against an organized defence, you are acting as if Nacho is a clone, doesn't he know how to think outside the box? you have been saying X=2 since why don't you try X=-2 and see if it works?!

goldfish80:


It will be difficult for a striker to beat that high line and offside trap. Even when he does, the keeper is usually trained to keep an eye out and play the sweeper role.
That is why you need a big striker to hold the ball up and flick to very quick wingers and midfielders to run into the space left.
That is how to break down such a setup.

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