komekn:


Young does not mean better.

Apart from KC that set of U17 players all approaching 21 are still largely potential.

Osimhen that has been highlighted even invited to the SE is yet to play a full game for Wolfsburg and struggles to make the bench. So he is essentially a youth player.

So who are the young players that we have that can be compared to Obagoal name one

Taiwo Awoniyi and Dessers are far ahead of Oshimen but mago mago wan Oshimen.

safarigirl:
lol....Martins tge upstanding man of integrity

Not exactly but proud and he is not desperately hungry. Obagoal has never needed the SE to promote his career he had gone way ahead of that years ago.

Other players will need the SE to further thier fledgling careers but not Obagoal

2018 World Cup: Sergio Aguero finally speaks on being drawn alongside Super Eagles



The striker told Lbero, ”The second half against Nigeria I could not see, because I was in the Hospital, but when they told me how it panned out, I asked, ‘what happened?”

”That happens sometimes, it was because they thought of me, they were scared, I do not know.”

edi287:

Keshi decided to invite Uche for our last game in the qualifiers instead of earlier on. He didn't have a great game but do we judge him by just that game?
Didn't Lukman Haruna score in one of our friendly games before the world cup in 2010?? He didn't flop in every match he played.
Martins can have an impact in this team. Ighalo was posting few average performances before he got dropped and then Rohr reinvited him after deciding he needed a target man. Nacho has had bad games as well. I repeat, If Ighalo from the same "weak" Chinese league is our first choice CF, then martins can do a job from the bench. Simple as that.

Like somebody said, it is better for these young players to be average than for the old ones. The average performances of these young stars will serve as valuable experience for the future. What future do we have with someone like Martins?

komekn:


Young does not mean better.

Apart from KC that set of U17 players all approaching 21 are still largely potential.

Osimhen that has been highlighted even invited to the SE is yet to play a full game for Wolfsburg and struggles to make the bench. So he is essentially a youth player.

So who are the young players that we have that can be compared to Obagoal name one

Onyekuru is there, another worthy mention is Paul Ononachu

Icon4s:


It is not necessarily the oldest player but more like the longest serving player.
For eg if Martins is called back and makes the world cup, Yes he is older but, Mikel will definitely captain the team.

Even if Enyeama returns and makes it to the world cup, it is still logical for Mikel to be captain as he has spent more time with this current crop than Enyeama.

Mikel is the indisputable leader of this
crop both on and off the pitch.

Segun Odegbami predicted Yobo and Mikel to be captains of the Super Eagles in their respective times and these have come to pass.

It's simple in football oldest mean longest serving player in the team.

Kog45:
Gok man good you said culture which mean we have imbibed it but not written rules.

The captain of a team can only be decided by a coach, comes tomorrow if Rohr said Mikel is no longer the captain that's it.Remember old Musa was removed as vice captain for younger Onazi,mind you Echiejele is still in the team

When Rohr was appointed the first thing he said was Mikel remain my captain just to set the record straight that am not ready to appoint another captain.

Let's go down to memory lane a bit on eagles captain,hope you still remember afcon 1984 Muda Lawal was the oldest with 4 afcon appearance but young Keshi was the captain.

Paul Hamilton made Andrew Uwe his captain at the despite having older players like Peter Rufai, Henry Nwosu,Ademola Adeshina even when Keshi came back fully during afcon and Olympics qualifiers in 1987,Andrew Uwe was still the captain

Hope you remember how Alloy Agu captain the team during early Westerhoff era with the presence of Ademola Adeshina,Andrew Uwe,Rasheed Yekini.

There was never a time Enyeama captain Eagles with the presence of Joseph Yobo in camp.Enyeama only captain the team on the field if Yobo find himself on the bench and this happened at Afcon 2013,this made Enyeama to handover captain band to him in the final to collect the cup.

The same scenario played itself at Tunisia 94 when Austin Eguavoen handed over captain band to Keshi after final game to collect the cup.

Remember Sunday Olishe was made the captain at the expense of older Finidi George 2000-2002 and no issue on it.

It was only Chuckwu(1980)Keshi(1990-1994)Austin Okocha(2002-2006)Kanu (2006-2010)Yobo(2010-2014)Enyeama (2014-2016)now Mikel, these are the beneficiaries of oldest being the captain.

My man it all depends on coaches decision cos a lot of things are put into consideration before a captain of the team is chosen.

Yes a lot of things come into play. And as u rightly pointed age is not the single determining factor.

Some players are natural leaders both on and off the pitch. He may not be the oldest but he must have spent some appreciable time in the team.

For eg no one is expecting players like Ebuehi, Idowu, Aina or Onyekuru to be Eagles captain next year. Not even in 2 years time.

Apart from time spent with the national team some players are natural motivators on the pitch. Some are naturally disciplined. Some relate better with the FA officials than others.

A player like Victor Moses has spent almost same considerable period of time as Onazi and Echiejile but has never been considered as an assistant captain option? Why? Moses comes to me as an arrogant person. His level of diplomacy is not something to be admired. He cannot lead the Eagles else there would be several clashes between him and many state holders. Stuff like that.

Keshi like you rightly mentioned became a captain at an early age. Why he is a natural leader. That why he is called "The Boss".

His and Andrew Uweh's captaincy are part of a few exceptions.

Kog45:
It's simple in football oldest mean longest serving player in the team.

No.

Balogun is older than Musa, Echiejile, Omeruo and Onazi but is he longer serving than the quartet?

Humility017:


there is nothing simple anymore...
we have gone beyond the stage of trial and error....
the bench should be for young and hungry players.....and not for one old leg.

your points on nacho and many others posing an average performance is not true...

even when the young nacho fired blanks you see his impact in those games...how he kept pressure on the opponent defenders. ..
as such allow his colleagues to do damages...

on unche....I believe you just trying to create excuses for him....
more than 45 minutes is enough for any player to prove himself...
I remember osaze took just few minutes to prove keshi wrong against Iran...and against Bosnia he earned a starting berth...and even scored the lone goal....


so that lane excuses for martins and co holds no water......

Gbam

komekn:


That's a huge contradiction, doesn't make any sense. The supposed chief scout saying no new players needed.

Then what on earth was he appointed for.

may be just to scare agents.

SerVik:

Here you go again. Stop living on past glory, this is the same way you've been embarrassing yourself with Alampasu's clean sheet against Porto 2years ago now it's uche's top scorer award in 2010. Uche was invited in 2014 for nations cup qualifiers, he did nothing special. Against congo he scored from the penalty spot, he did not win the penalty, emenike did. Against south Africa, we needed Sone Aluko's brilliance to earn a draw, again ike uche was on the pitch, nothing special. Truth is we have a special spot for certain players and when those players don't live up to expectations, we try to find certain excuses, just as you are using injury as an excuse to justify haruna's atrocious performance. Was haruna certified fit or not for the game? That haruna's performance was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a professional. Injury or not, he flopped.

Finito

This is my major headache on this forum, other players are blamed for favourite players' flop and its not getting funny anymore

junnyjake:


I'd make an example with Guadiola. Between Joe Hart and Claudio Bravo, who was the better keeper? Hart of course. Hart wasn't part of his team because Bravo was a ball playing GK whereas Hart wasn't.


Not all good players would fit into a coach's philosophy. Wasn't there the case of one Owubokiri who didn't get a chance with the eagles in the 90s despite his painting of Europe with goals?

If you're not a Ronaldo or Messi, I doubt any coach would like to build his team around you.

I would like that we always have those from the best teams and leagues to be in the team, truth is it can't always be like that, there'd be some flexibility at some point.

As it stands now, majority of the regulars in our team are products of the English system, which to you is quality. As for me i'm satisfied with that.

The core of the SE emanates from the EPL no doubt.

Being in a big club and or leagues is not entirely conclusive it's indicative. However, you must be performing in that league and club to be considered all things being equal.

On the other hand being a stand out player in a lower league and club is still a basis for consideration. I remember Gomez at 18 left Charlton Athletic straight to the first team of Liverpool. From first team to England senior team crowned with MOTM against England he actually pocketed Neymar.

So I dont believe in top team and league alone. But if you are in a lower team you should really be standing out and exceptional. Which was not the case for Nwakali, Osimhen and others.

mazimee:
ADO Den Haag Worried Over Ebuehi's Situation : He Became A Nigeria Intl At This Club
Published: December 06, 2017
Dutch Eredivisie outfit ADO Den Haag are frustrated that Nigeria right-back Tyronne Ebuehi has yet to put pen to paper on a new deal, six months before the start of the 2018 World Cup.
The Super Eagle can depart The Hague as a free agent in the next six months without the club recouping their previous investment on the player if he doesn't ink a new contract.
''We have been talking to him and his agent from August,'' says football manager Jeffrey van As to Voetbal International .
"It is not easy, he has to choose whether he wants to develop further at ADO, or whether he prefers to go to a bigger Dutch club or abroad.
''He has become an international at this club, enjoys the trust and can also take steps here. It's up to him.''
Ebuehi, 21, joined ADO Den Haag in 2013 after stops at SV Hoofddorp, VV Young Boys and HFC EDO.
Igho Kingsley

Smart club

SerVik:

Like somebody said, it is better for these young players to be average than for the old ones. The average performances of this young stars will serve as valuable experience for the future. What future do we have with someone like Martins?

help me ask them o! I don tire!

Icon4s:


No.

Balogun is older than Musa, Echiejile, Omeruo and Onazi but is he longer serving than the quartet?

I don't understand, pls explain better cos my own assertion of longest player in a team started with the date of his debut.

I know Balogun is older but Echiejele,Onazi,Musa and Omeruo made their debuts before him,meaning they are the oldest.

In football the oldest not necessary player's age is longest serving player in the team

komekn:


That's not a measure of success and the basis for exclusion.

You consider it from another perspective if we were running without him if he had been in the team be would have been flying. Imagine the SE with him not without him and how much better he could be.

so how much has the team been better with martins in recent times. A great player brings so much value to the team like we see an experienced mikel whenever he plays. The Eagles have now qualified for the wcq and suddenly we remember we can be better with a martins. Doesn't work like that bruv. It took just 45 mins for us to know how much value ebuehi and an idowu can bring to a team, martins was handed same chance in the recent past[when in mls and even in china] and he failed to deliver yet we keep insisting he should be recalled on the basis of his exploits back in milan and newscastle. Am sorry it's not working for me.

junnyjake:


Akpeyi is older than Mikel, maybe he should be handed the...

GOKE7 is not talking about age but longest serving player in the team.

SerVik:

Here you go again. Stop living on past glory, this is the same way you've been embarrassing yourself with Alampasu's clean sheet against Porto 2years ago now it's uche's top scorer award in 2010. Uche was invited in 2014 for nations cup qualifiers, he did nothing special. Against congo he scored from the penalty spot, he did not win the penalty, emenike did. Against south Africa, we needed Sone Aluko's brilliance to earn a draw, again ike uche was on the pitch, nothing special. Truth is we have a special spot for certain players and when those players don't live up to expectations, we try to find certain excuses, just as you are using injury as an excuse to justify haruna's atrocious performance. Was haruna certified fit or not for the game? That haruna's performance was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a professional. Injury or not, he flopped.

Finito

Thank God you admitted Ikechukwu Uche scored a goal in the only two matches he played. Eod

According to you Mikel Obi flopped in the first leg against Swaziland hence the reason he was benched by Oliseh in the second leg for Onabi who did better than Mikel, ba? Bhuahaha.

forgiveness:


Was Onigbide tasked to win the WC or to raise a new team?

If the latter is the answer, then it is safe to say Onigbide didn't fail because he raised quality players that lasted for a while. Gbam

so what's Rohr's task

Goke7:


This is my major headache on this forum, other players are blamed for favourite players' flop and its not getting funny anymore

Iheanacho flopped big time in his first two games for the SE and several times as a CF. Why you no want talk about this truth? Oh! The truth is bitter.

Icon4s:


Yes a lot of things come into play. And as u rightly pointed age is not the single determining factor.

Some players are natural leaders both on and off the pitch. He may not be the oldest but he must have spent some appreciable time in the team.

For eg no one is expecting players like Ebuehi, Idowu, Aina or Onyekuru to be Eagles captain next year. Not even in 2 years time.

Apart from time spent with the national team some players are natural motivators on the pitch. Some are naturally disciplined. Some relate better with the FA officials than others.

A player like Victor Moses has spent almost same considerable period of time as Onazi and Echiejile but has never been considered as an assistant captain option? Why? Moses comes to me as an arrogant person. His level of diplomacy is not something to be admired. He cannot lead the Eagles else there would be several clashes between him and many state holders. Stuff like that.

Keshi like you rightly mentioned became a captain at an early age. Why he is a natural leader. That why he is called "The Boss".

His and Andrew Uweh's captaincy are part of a few exceptions.

Keshi and Andrew Uwe remain the best despite their young age then,they carried the team very well,funny enough Uwe was in University of Ife and playing for Leventis United.

kingphilip:
so what's Rohr's task

Initially, it was to build a team but now Pinnick wants the 2018 WC trophy in our cabinet.

As we can see, we are in for a greater task than 2012 WC task hence the need to achieve the task with better quality players.

Kog45:
I don't understand, pls explain better cos my own assertion of longest player in a team started with the date of his debut.

I know Balogun is older but Echiejele,Onazi,Musa and Omeruo made their debuts before him,meaning they are the oldest.

In football the oldest not necessary player's age is longest serving player in the team

Now you have brought in a third variable which is "debut date".

Now we have:
1. Age of player (which is where the phrase of "Oldest player" comes in)
2. Period of service (which "may' be measured by number of appearances. Also "longest serving" player)
3. Debut date

As you rightly said in your earlier post a lot of things come into play including discipline and leadership abilities.

The 3 points highlighted above, I don't need to explain one after the other cos I know we all understand what they mean.
A player like Bartholomew Ogbeche made his debut before Enyeama. If he gets invited like joebie is clamoring for and he makes the final world cup team, would you classify him as the oldest player, longest serving player or what? Fact is he would not be the oldest player neither would he be the longest serving player. He is just the player with the oldest debut. And is that enough for him to be made captain? I am sure your answer in no.

But I understand you. You are looking at oldest player in terms of longest servicing which may be ambiguous if stated that way.

komekn:


In football nothing is static you are either going up or coming down.

Last season KC was doing OK now he is struggling, Isaac Success was playing good in La Liga but came to Watford and is now essentially a waste man.

Top players are measured with consistency not one game wonders.

but i still remember last season you never said anything like the bolded



so what changed

Kog45:
Keshi and Andrew Uwe remain the best despite their young age then,they carried the team very well,funny enough Uwe was in University of Ife and playing for Leventis United.

Keshi yes but Andrew Uwe I dnt agree. We have had better captains than Uwe.

Christian Chukwu, Okocha, Kanu, Yobo and even Mikel have displayed better captaincy than Uwe. Not also forgetting Sunday Oliseh.


Andrew Uwe only featured for the Green Eagles from 1987 to 1990. I think he was part of the players affected by the Westerhoff's Tsunami. Other players like Henry Nwosu, Michael Onyemachara, Yisa Shofoluwe, Wole Odegbemi, Ndubuisi Okosieme were also swept out of the team.

I am sure you know Andrew Uwe still played professional football up till the year 2000.

Goke7:


so how much has the team been better with martins in recent times. A great player brings so much value to the team like we see an experienced mikel whenever he plays. The Eagles have now qualified for the wcq and suddenly we remember we can be better with a martins. Doesn't work like that bruv. It took just 45 mins for us to know how much value ebuehi and an idowu can bring to a team, martins was handed same chance in the recent past[when in mls and even in china] and he failed to deliver yet we keep insisting he should be recalled on the basis of his exploits back in milan and newscastle. Am sorry it's not working for me.

According to your assertion Onyekuru failed to deliver but why do you still want him in the team?

forgiveness:


Initially, it was to build a team but now Pinnick wants the 2018 WC trophy in our cabinet.

As we can see, we are in for a greater task than 2012 WC task hence the need to achieve the task with better quality players.

well i've not read the news anywhere

can you help me with the link?

and by the way the 2018 world have not come and gone so we judging him now might just be too early



have you thought about him taking an average player to the world cup to set himself to fail?

Icon4s:


Keshi yes but Andrew Uwe I dnt agree. We have had better captains than Uwe.

Christian Chukwu, Okocha, Kanu, Yobo and even Mikel have displayed better captaincy than Uwe. Not also forgetting Sunday Oliseh.

Okocha was not a great captain. He was the main reason we failed to qualify for the 2006 world cup when refused playing away qualification games.
This was a huge dent on his reputation as a good captain.

goldfish80:

Okocha was not a great captain. He was the main reason we failed to qualify for the 2006 world cup when refused playing away qualification games.
This was a huge dent on his reputation as a good captain.

He was better than Andrew Uwe. That is my point.

goldfish80:

I just need clarification. It's not serious

Kai u like wahala which clarification,so you don't know we have PRO and ANTI here,nothing you can say that w convince the moniker.It's war for past three days now Pro Iheanacho vs Pro Martins.

Do not worry Rohr will settled the matter soon,if martins made the team expect some to pray for Naija downfall and some to pray for goal drought for Iheanacho.

At the end of the day who to blame or who would carry the burdens,we fans,players after matches you see them in the night club chilling off but here we continue to deliberate on what went wrong,funny enough Martins and Iheanacho will be chilling together in far away Dubai on yacht.

Only God w save Nigeria fans of emotions, sentiments, tribal affiliations,Foreign born,these reign supremely in our comments that a lot have forgotten objectivities in their analysis.

Honestly i tire for unna.

kingphilip:


well i've not read the news anywhere

can you help me with the link?

and by the way the 2018 world have not come and gone so we judging him now might just be too early



have you thought about him taking an average player to the world cup to set himself to fail?

"We do not just want the team to qualify, but to go to Russia and break new grounds, set new records, possibly win the World Cup,” he said, while confirming that there is no division within the NFF Executive Committee.


http://.com/pinnick-reveals-world-cup-ambition


Well, I am afraid to say I am seeing signs of taking average players like Ezenwa and bench warmer Oshimen to the WC. I fear no bi small.

mazimee:


2018 World Cup: Sergio Aguero finally speaks on being drawn alongside Super Eagles



The striker told Lbero, ”The second half against Nigeria I could not see, because I was in the Hospital, but when they told me how it panned out, I asked, ‘what happened?”

”That happens sometimes, it was because they thought of me, they were scared, I do not know.”

i agree with this statement , football has alot to do with the state of the mind ,..... but i will advise Aguero to pull thesame stunt next just ..and the team should keep thinking of him .. till they will be down again