lexiconkabir:


its just after 12 joor....less than 7hrs to go....you too like food jere...

Toh, I go manage hol am!!!

lexiconkabir:


that is the exact problem I have with some Muslims here, do you practice Islam for them? that shouldn't be your reason, satisfying non-muslims shouldn't be your aim.

tintingz:
This is not about satisfying non-muslims, this is about those who are doing research about Islam and want to convert/revert. They come across this thread and start reading comments about Islam supporting wife-beating or how are you going to convince a non-muslim who's ready to convert to Islam but find the wife-beating disturbing.

Am very sure many Muslims don't even know nor understand this said verse.

lexiconkabir:


I think you are exaggerating the "beating"...... That has been explained for any rational person to comprehend.

tintingz:
Don't even mention @bolded because the verse clearly said "beat them" how do you expect a rational thinker or someone with another belief understand the way we Muslims understand it ?

tintingz:
Good.

The reason I asked does questions is for non-muslims who are reading or will come across this thread beacuse they wont understand, this thread will give their references on tagging Islam a sexism religion and support domestic violence on women.

I think the OP post is even better as some scholars have that same interpretation of the verse.

Empiree:
No problem. Dont worry about non-muslims. They are hypocrites. Even if you try to satisfy them, they still gonna find a way to criticize. They can say whatever they want. Almost everything they criticized islam and muslims for they do.

For instance, they criticize female genital mutilation(FGM). We know it is un-islamic. But unfortunately some muslims and non muslims do it in Africa and Asia. Oyinbo went over there criticising it. They called it "barbaric". But Michael Jackson mutilated his body, there are bunch of black in Nija turned 'yellow' or 'white'. How about Oyinbo people who used bottocks?. If you see the process of bottocks before it completes, they look ugly. But they called these things fashion. This is deception. But in reality, it is body mutilation. If you google the process of their bleaching, bottocks etc before it becomes stable, they look uglier them FGM.

Same thing with wife beating. They beat the holy crap out of their women. And their women also put up fight with them sometimes. The difference is, authority usually get involved in the West. So you can see why they have "domestic violence" against women in the west bcus it exists. Don't let them preach to you. They have no moral to do that. I understand what Qur'an is saying with respect to that verse. It is never obligatory. It is necessity. And even at that, figh clearly describes such scolding in a way that does not leaves marks or scars on her body.

So forget about non-muslims. They have no moral grounds to tell us what is right or wrong. Only men from among us we need to put in check. The verse was NEVER an order for violence against women.

tintingz:
This is not about satisfying non-muslims, this is about those who are doing research about Islam and want to convert/revert. They come across this thread and start reading comments about Islam supporting wife-beating or how are you going to convince a non-muslim who's ready to convert to Islam but find the wife-beating disturbing.

Am very sure many Muslims don't even know nor understand this said verse.

lexiconkabir:


A post made FP on nl about FGM, where I gave support for it and my reasons, they almost had my head that day, saying it has complications and bla bla bla, I wonder if it's complicated than those changing their genders, yet you dont see them criticizing.....

Empiree:
I even missed out @underlined. Exactly, they dont see noting wrong with that. It is nothing but "fashion" to them.

Demmzy15:
Toh, I go manage hol am!!!

lexiconkabir:


did you bother reading the explanations made? again you are exaggerating the "beating"

tintingz:
I understand the explanations but we are talking about beating grown up women.

Empiree:
No problem. Dont worry about non-muslims. They are hypocrites. Even if you try to satisfy them, they still gonna find a way to criticize. They can say whatever they want. Almost everything they criticized islam and muslims for they do.

For instance, they criticize female genital mutilation(FGM). We know it is un-islamic. But unfortunately some muslims and non muslims do it in Africa and Asia. Oyinbo went over there criticising it. They called it "barbaric". But Michael Jackson mutilated his body, there are bunch of black in Nija turned 'yellow' or 'white'. How about Oyinbo people who used bottocks?. If you see the process of bottocks before it completes, they look ugly. But they called these things fashion. This is deception. But in reality, it is body mutilation. If you google the process of their bleaching, bottocks etc before it becomes stable, they look uglier them FGM.

Same thing with wife beating. They beat the holy crap out of their women. And their women also put up fight with them sometimes. The difference is, authority usually get involved in the West. So you can see why they have "domestic violence" campaign against women in the west bcus it exists. Don't let them preach to you. They have no moral to do that. I understand what Qur'an is saying with respect to that verse. It is never obligatory. It is necessity. And even at that, figh clearly describes such scolding in a way that does not leaves marks or scars on her body.

So forget about non-muslims. They have no moral grounds to tell us what is right or wrong. Only men from among us we need to put in check. The verse was NEVER an order for violence against women.

tintingz:
I understand the explanations but we are talking about beating grown up women.

Contact17:


What do you understand by beating?

Striking the wife shouldn't be done harshly or cause harm, rather it should be as light as striking with a siwak.

tintingz:

It seems my own sef too much, make I jejeli exit thread before boda Rilwayne001 and will come and knock me for head.

Rilwayne001:


Lol. I will never knock you on your head. I don't think anything will ever make me beat my future wife no matter how light it is going to be. Even with a siwak

I've never seen my dad beat my mum no matter how light. The worst he would do is to say: "koburu" and walk away, and by the following day, they are back together after when my mum must have apologized. This is the kind of husband I want to be.

Even my younger sisters, I don't beat them, why would I then support wife beating? No no that's not the kind of person I am.

I get angry, but the technique I normally employ is to walk away from the source of what's making me angry, by the time I'm back my head would've cooled off.

In a nutshell, we all know our women are belligerent, what we need most is to be very very patient with them. When you say we shouldn't hit them hard, will beaten them softly with a siwak' change they attitude? She will just say, "after all he's going to beat me with a siwak', and not really hard, I won't feel much pain, let me provoke him". Then what is the essence of the light beating?


Patientce is what we need in marriage.. Real patience.

Been a while my kind sire, hope you're fine?
My sallah meat tomorrow abegg'

lanrexlan:
Ma sha Allah! May Allah bless you for the bold. You just nailed it!

Jazakumullah khairan.
Nabi is the greatest example and there are no reports of wife beating.

On a side note, it is being a long time. Where have you been brother?

Owo ni da? Wey my money? Una and tintingz still dey owe me oo.

Rilwayne001:


I just decided to lay low ni' jare.. I don't have much time like I used to, And the country isn't smiling at all.

I should be asking you as well because you just went away without leaving any notice.

Rilwayne001:

I truly owe, but I don't seem to remember again? Is it about that vedaxcol's thread? Remind me please

lanrexlan:
May Allah assits us my dear brother and grants us the best.

Lol, no mind me oo. I was just saddled with many things ni jare

Nah, All the jingo wey I do for you for Mr Nl nko? There is nothing free even in freetown biko, kindly pay up and tintingz too

Rilwayne001:


Lol. I will never knock you on your head. I don't think anything will ever make me beat my future wife no matter how light it is going to be. Even with a siwak

I've never seen my dad beat my mum no matter how light. The worst he would do is to say: "koburu" and walk away, and by the following day, they are back together after when my mum must have apologized. This is the kind of husband I want to be.

Even my younger sisters, I don't beat them, why would I then support wife beating? No no that's not the kind of person I am.

I get angry, but the technique I normally employ is to walk away from the source of what's making me angry, by the time I'm back my head would've cooled off.

In a nutshell, we all know our women are belligerent, what we need most is to be very very patient with them. When you say we shouldn't hit them hard, will beaten them softly with a siwak' change they attitude? She will just say, "after all he's going to beat me with a siwak', and not really hard, I won't feel much pain, let me provoke him". Then what is the essence of the light beating?

Patientce is what we need in marriage.. Real patience.

Been a while my kind sire, hope you're fine?
My sallah meat tomorrow abegg'

lanrexlan:
May Allah assits us my dear brother and grants us the best.

Lol, no mind me oo. I was just saddled with many things ni jare


Nah, All the jingo wey I do for you for Mr Nl nko? There is nothing free even in freetown biko, kindly pay up and tintingz too

Empiree:

Anyways, y'all owe me MEAT and I want NECK and THIGH

lexiconkabir:


You don't want head and legs of chicken