Millex:

If you want to hurt a father deeply get his child to do the hurting for you. That's the devil's scheme since time immemorial, devil doesn't even need to force man, all he has to do is deceive, put doubt in man's heart. Then man does the rest hurting God. Why God let's devil keep doing it? His ways are not our ways nor his thoughts our thoughts. Devil is doing what he likes because God has allowed him, but be rest assured that the battle you are waiting for has been fought already and has been won.
God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the One who Is, Was and shall forever Be. He is that He is, He doesn't need human verification to be Real.

johnydon22:


hahahahahahaha isn't it funny how every religion lays claim to the words of God but humans are the ones doing the talking?

MY MAN CATHOLICS SAY THEIR SUPREME MASTER THE POPE, IS WITHOUT SIN. EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS PERFECT BECAUSE GOD CHOSE HIM TO BE POPE.



TILL DATE I WONDER WHY THE LAST ONE RESIGNED.. . GOD CHOSE THE WRONG PERSON? ?


THAT MEANS EVEN GOD CAN MAKE MISTAKES?


THAT MEANS HE'S ALSO NOT PERFECT AND CAN END UP LIKE OTHER INPERFECT PEOPLE, IN HELL?

HardMirror:
CONTINUATION...
My gradual loss in believe in the bible kept growing. I can say 2010 was the year I was last a christian, 2011 was the year of researching christianity and asking the important questions, 2012 I made up my mind i have had enough of being afraid of the truth.

We give a lot of excuses for god when things don't work out the way we expect and we praise god when coincidentally things fall in place.

Had another incidence in 2010 which rattled my faith.
One of my favorite books was "GOD's GENERALS" and the story of Kathrine KULMAN was my favorite. I got very carried away by one of her proteges BENNY HIN and really loved his book GOOD MORNING HOLY SPIRIT.
I always felt I had a similar calling to Kathrine Kulman. So marriage was something I believed won't be for me. All I wanted was to fully give myself to God.
So when ever I have the opportunity, I made sure I let the Spirit work fully. Manifesting so people would know God is real and affects their reality.
I never felt anything is impossible for God.
So early 2010 (before the idanre Outreach), we were on outreach to Ajabuto, a farming community in Ondo state.
The head of the community was a blind man and they still served idols. In fact there was an idol right in from of the community head's house.

This Outreach was a turning point in the lives of all ASF members that were involved. (We must have been more than 40 that were involved).
Everyone that went on this outreach returned to futa fully convinced of the supernatural.
For the first time in their lives, they were laying hands on the sick and casting out demons.

That night as the villagers gathered and I preached, many never knew what to expect. When I began giving word of knowledge and people were coming out responding. I asked the other ASF members I was with to start praying for people laying hands on them. And the whole place exploded.
I remember a brother coming to meet me after the program excited and saying he could not believe he layed hands on people and they were falling and reacting to the power of God. Many ASF members that were on this outreach got baptised in the spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues.
It was spectacular. It was like being in the Shangrila of the Holy Spirit.

We were confident God was ready to do anything and everything no matter how impossible it may seem.

The community head did not attend the crusade so we visited him early in the morning the next day. Remember the man was blind and had an idol at the entrance to his house.

Long story short, this man gave his life to christ that morning, abolished idol worshiping.
BUT. How could we preach a God that is greater than all other gods, a God who is the Almighty, All powerful! All loving!
A god we claim is better than his idol and yet leave this man blind. NO way! This man will see today!
So we prayed that God should restore his sight. A simple prayer that did not work. Then we had to query the man if he lacked faith (I remember this incidence with sadness). The man was almost in tears, he kept shout ""Jesu Mogbagbo!"
("Jesus I believe!". )
Damn!
"Heal me! I believe!"
Seeing him in this condition asking Jesus to heal him touched me. I insisted we won't leave until he sees.
We prayed and prayed and prayed. You can guess the rest. The man stayed the same.

I could not sleep the night of that day. I kept asking, "why?"

"Maybe the man lacked faith" common you can't be serious this man wanted to see badly, he wanted God to heal him. He was begging God with all his heart.
"Maybe I was doing it to show off". Haba! I knew I wasn't. I felt bad for this poor man.
There was absolutely no reason why God should not have healed that man.
God was mute, he never told me why.
Yet he promises that, "ANYTHING WE ASK IN HIS NAME SHALL BE GRANTED. ANYTHING!" "IF WE HAD FAITH LIKE A MUSTARD SEED WE WILL ASK MOUNTAINS TO BE UPROOTED AND THROWN INTO THE SEA" don't try to twist these scriptures. They are simple and straight forward, Problem is it does not work. Even if you have faith as big as pawpaw you can never command grass to be uprooted talkless of commanding mountain with mustard seed faith.
God is a liar, he does not honor his promises. Deep in my heart I knew this was the answer, but I had a deep relationship with God that would never allow such to take root easily.
But if God could not do this what can he now do? What was the value of his promises. His word that he has exulted above all His names?

Indeed something was wrong.
I can't continue to blame myself, the devil and people for God not doing what he promises even after all criterias has been met. And most annoying is he won't even reveal why he is not honouring his word, you have to keep guessing.

Indeed something was wrong, I knew where the problem was, but it was terrifying to even think of it. So God takes glories for good things that coincidentally happens to man (hard work or coincidence), but we take the blame when God fails in his own end of the bargain

Millex:
God is not Dead, in the end we would know who's right or who is wrong, just pray to be on the right side.
It's however not a competition, life, salvation is a personal Journey. I choose to work out my own salvation with Jesus with fear and trembling, It's a personal Journey.
Lucifer grew too wise and rebelled again God, man that God created are becoming too wise and rebelling against God.
God is just watching, devil is busy laughing and rejoicing, in the end who would laugh last? Only God knows.
Man would always search for answers it's what happens when the fruit of knowledge of good and evil has been eaten. God in his mercies tried to save us this stress but devil constantly rebelling against God did his best and succeeded in Adams case,
God had to raise Jesus to come, become the divine lamb, with pure and divine blood. To be the final sacrifice, no longer do we need to shed blood of animals.
Wisdom of man trying to quantify God is the reason why you can't understand God.
Why do bad things happen? and all? Why did he heal the blind village head? Why not ask God at the end of time. Remember Daniel prayed for sometime and didn't get answers till God showed him what was happening in the spirit realm. Maybe that's why God didn't answer your prayers, maybe there's another reason. God really doesn't need to prove himself to anyone, if you won't believe you won't believe. That's why the rich man was told even if the dead come back to life to tell you about God and all man who won't believe won't believe.
I laugh however the manifestation of the endtimes when man would be wise of his own knowledge, the rise of false prophets and people who have become too familiar with God, who has known God too much. It's sad however that many would be swayed by vain wisdom.
To all who have known God and we're swayed, Jesus is still knocking on the door your hear, to those who never knew, I pray you encounter Jesus like saul-paul you too would make a great apostle. To those holding steadfast to your faith, hold on to the faith, do not sleep nor slumber, be wise to the devices of the devil.
Rev 22:11-12: He that is unjust, let him be unjust still, and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still, and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according to his work.
Happy workers day.

johnydon22:


Again incorrect, where did the evolution theory assert that man is billions of years old

Why is it that people always argue ignorantly over what they don't even know... I am sure you never read a book on evolution.

johnydon22:

..LOL.. Its useless engaging this one

kolinz:


That was an assertion on my part, I was waiting for you to clear me on the issue of the origin of the universe and man the atheist way.
U have carefully avoided that part and want to dwell on my assertion.
Well, the universe according to science is over a billion year old, is it safe to say that man is also billions of years?

soulpeppersoup:


Do you know most serial killers are a product of information (books they read) they have acquired. Believe it or not what you are now is a product of information you have acquired. Every terrorist is a product of information as every good man is a product of information, non of us was born good or bad.

Help yourself by giving yourself to acquire information you will like to resemble

kolinz:


That was an assertion on my part, I was waiting for you to clear me on the issue of the origin of the universe and man the atheist way.
U have carefully avoided that part and want to dwell on my assertion.
Well, the universe according to science is over a billion year old, is it safe to say that man is also billions of years?

Danyl:

Just like Job asked God several questions but never received any answer, but when God finally answered him, he knew outrightly that he has sinned against God. God is our father but He can't be taken by surprise, however one thing is certain, when God decides to bring you back to His fold you will be surprised. He is not done with you yet. Sometimes it takes that little extra to see things the way God see things. There is only a very thin line between truth and error but many have slipped into error thinking they are still in line with God, and some think they are on the right path but they totally slipped into error, it will take God nothing to redeem you but for those who are once enlightened, who have tasted of the heavenly gift, that have known the power of God, and of the ages to come, if they slip away it is impossible for them to be brought back but my prayer is that this will not be your portion. There is light at the end of the tunnel. One of the scientists who was an atheist realized on his sick bed that truly there is God but he never did accept Christ before his demise. my believe is that the very basis of atheism is 'there is no God', but the end will justify the means.

wirinet:


Please read what you wrote slowly, and see whether it makes any sense. God does not need human verification to be real but he goes into fits and rage at those that fails to verify him as real. God foes not need human verification, but he permit Devil to test job to see if job can remain loyal in face of adversaries. In fact the whole of the bible is all about the obsession of God for human verification.

opeaceo:


and why did Jesus "stop" the stoning of the adulterous woman since the Bible is the unchanging word of God?

swaggzo:




NO.
ACCORDING TO SCIENCE, DRAGONS, DINOS, AND OTHER TERRIBLE CREATURES INHERITED THE EARTH FOR MOST OF THAT TIME.

promise101:
Wow, a new wise fool!

I pray that you will be smiling while dying on your deathbed.

nelsonoba:


Oga, the last time i checked, this was a public forum and i'm not preventing the NEW ATHEIST from writing his story. I also do not expect you to obstruct my answers when i make a comment and the NEW ATHEIST or any of his group members question my comment. I do not recall trying to address you directly in any of my questions/answers with the NEW ATHEIST

HardMirror:
CONTINUATION...
My gradual loss in believe in the bible kept growing. I can say 2010 was the year I was last a christian, 2011 was the year of researching christianity and asking the important questions, 2012 I made up my mind i have had enough of being afraid of the truth.

We give a lot of excuses for god when things don't work out the way we expect and we praise god when coincidentally things fall in place.

Had another incidence in 2010 which rattled my faith.

So early 2010 (before the idanre Outreach), we were on outreach to Ajabuto, a farming community in Ondo state.

This Outreach was a turning point in the lives of all ASF members that were involved. (We must have been more than 40 that were involved).
Everyone that went on this outreach returned to futa fully convinced of the supernatural.
For the first time in their lives, they were laying hands on the sick and casting out demons.

I asked the other ASF members I was with to start praying for people laying hands on them. And the whole place exploded.
Many ASF members that were on this outreach got baptised in the spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues.

It was spectacular. It was like being in the Shangrila of the Holy Spirit.

kolinz:


Don't tell me another that one day something else is going to evolve from humans, that would be ridiculous because Christians are already in the last days.

Anyway, human mind is dynamic in nature and capable of undergoing transition both in faith, believe and whatever. Do what works for you now till it no longer works. I am not about coercing anyone into anything but if I should, I would say just like Pascal it is safe to remain a believer because it doesn't cost a dime

Ganjafama:
Mr man what do you know about satan? The writers of the Bible were trying to discredit satan
. But have you had the opportunity of hearing Satan's side of the story?can you pin point one evil satan committed in the Bible? I can pin point over a million evils your god yahweh committed in the Bible. The so-called Bible you guys are carrying up and down is just a book that was written by men like you. Those men are not more intelligent or pious than you and I.

neoapocalypse:



I'll recommend he reads the Codex Gigas, the Devils Bible as we know it.

danny56:


Haba! With d depth u wrote from see what threw u off d course of Christ...... Go back to ur Bible, your answers are there. (1) Take note of the free will of humans.. (2) if God enforce His will on man against man's wish, it becomes witchcraft, yes! (3) learn also about every believer's authority.

wirinet:

No. Humans would never evolve into something else in the one day , it will take tens of millennia according to environmental and ecological changes. Evolution is a gradual process of allowing living things to adapt to changing climatic and ecological conditions. Without evolution, all living creatures on this planet would have been extinct by now.

Your pascal wager cost you more than a dime. First it will cost you millions if not tens if millions of naira in the guise of tithes and offerings, but it will cost you much more in time wasted. Time you should have used to add value to yourself and the world in general, you are wasting in church services, fellowships, night vigils, Etc. For example, the op is obviously a very brilliant and gifted fellow, imagine what he would have achieved for himself and his society had he used the energy and efforts he used for Christian activities for more productive activities?

PastorAIO:
I think I get what many here have been wanting the OP to get to.

They were waiting for some traumatic event in the story of the op that would explain his change of beliefs.

Armed with such a traumatic incident they can explain away his apostasy by saying that it's an emotional reaction.

As the op told the story though it seems that it was a slow process of rational evaluation. Very unsatisfying.


Very unsatisfying.

kolinz:



Great one from you, since you guys don't believe in the existence of any God or god could you please tell me here what you believe to be the true account of the creation of earth and the origin of man using empirical evidence.

Take the following in consideration,
1, logic is not enough to counter the existence of God i. e because u don't believe doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
2, man have existed for over a billion years

Now since u believe only empirical evidence there are chances that the people you call your parents aren't really your biological parents, unless you have gone for a DNA testing. How many of you atheists have doubts of their parents? It still boils down to faith. You need it, I need it, its in everyone's sub conscious mind

Ayomikun37:
Is God going to enforce his will on man in heaven, or is he going to give them free will?

kolinz:



Great one from you, since you guys don't believe in the existence of any God or god could you please tell me here what you believe to be the true account of the creation of earth and the origin of man using empirical evidence.

Take the following in consideration,
1, logic is not enough to counter the existence of God i. e because u don't believe doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
2, man have existed for over a billion years

Now since u believe only empirical evidence there are chances that the people you call your parents aren't really your biological parents, unless you have gone for a DNA testing. How many of you atheists have doubts of their parents? It still boils down to faith. You need it, I need it, its in everyone's sub conscious mind

johnydon22:


Current girl friend is an atheist, A popular one here on Nairaland at that... I'm a lucky bastard

For my kids i intend to raise them free, they won't be atheists or theists, rather maintain that default stance we all have from birth which is Pure agnosticism.

When they grow to the age of reason they can develop their own ideas not feed them my own ideas

wirinet:

No. Humans would never evolve into something else in the one day , it will take tens of millennia according to environmental and ecological changes. Evolution is a gradual process of allowing living things to adapt to changing climatic and ecological conditions. Without evolution, all living creatures on this planet would have been extinct by now.

Your pascal wager cost you more than a dime. First it will cost you millions if not tens if millions of naira in the guise of tithes and offerings, but it will cost you much more in time wasted. Time you should have used to add value to yourself and the world in general, you are wasting in church services, fellowships, night vigils, Etc. For example, the op is obviously a very brilliant and gifted fellow, imagine what he would have achieved for himself and his society had he used the energy and efforts he used for Christian activities for more productive activities?