mazaje:

I do not need alternatives when I am presented with a bunch of lies to select from. . . The koran says that mohammed once divided the moon into two and the bible says that the stars in the sky once fought along side humans. . . I do not need alternatives to this because I know that they are all lies. . simple. . .A person doe not need alternatives when presented with a bunch of lies. . you dismiss them for the lies that they are simple. . . no alternative is needed. . .  

No one has presented you anything to choose from so pls spare us such pathetic lies.

Logic dictates that for you to claim something is a fraud it MUST MEAN there is a genuine out there . . . well if you reject the religious ideas about God then it MUST MEAN you have a plausible alternative no?

To say no alternative is needed is just a disgraceful way of admitting you really have nothing other than to continuously bash religion.

i said before the guy has nothing to say really

Deep Sight:

i said before the guy has nothing to say really

we've known that all along, he just uses personal insults to cover it up. He's only effective when he has his gang with him.

davidylan:

Again more hypocrisy and unintelligence

1. Why is it others who have to prove something to you? Why can you not prove an alternative to us?

2. you dont believe in science AT ALL, it is simply a fig leaf that you use to justify your disregard for religion. If you believed in science then you'd believe evolution and the big bang theory no? Or do you simply pick and choose what part of science you like or dislike?

Anytime you begin your desperate attempt like these you only end up shooting yourself in the foot. . .DID YOU ON SO MANY OACCSION SAY THAT EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE?. . . You yourself decleared that it is not science so why should I believe in it. . . If you bother to read what I said before rushing to display your ignorance you will see where I said that scientist have been able to verfify some of their assertions. . . .I believe in things that can be empirically verified. . . I do not believe in empty platitudes and outlandish claims that have no evidence at all. . .

mazaje:

Anytime you begin your desperate attempt like these you only end up shooting yourself in the foot. . .DID YOU ON SO MANY OACCSION SAY THAT EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE?. . . You yourself decleared that it is not science so why should I believe in it. . . If you bother to read what I said before rushing to display your ignorance you will see where I said that scientist have been able to some of their assertions. . . .I believe in things that can be empirically verified. . . I do not believe in empty platitudes and outlandish claims that have no evidence at all. . .

Another unintelligent red herring. I said evolution is not science but that of course is my personal opinion. It does NOTHING to remove the fact that evolution continues to be one of the pillars of 21st century science.

Its disgraceful to say that you dont believe evolution simply because i made a personal opinion on it . . .

Now you claim you only believe science where "scientists have been able to prove some of their assertions" . . . the problem with this is that scientists have proven so many assertions but NONE OF THEM has anything to do with either this thread or debunking the creationists ideas.

You believe in things that can be empirically verified . . . but science has absolutely NO empirical evidence to repudiate the bible . . . so how can you claim to believe science? You seem to be posting just for the sake of it, take good care to read your write-ups before hitting the reply button . . . it looks you're confused at this point.

mazaje . . .what is science?

Deep Sight:

He believes in Science he says!

O dear, maybe Scientists created the world!

Maybe Scientists can explain the mechanics of even the smallest living mystery in this world.

One thing I like about science is that it grows and acknowledges its mistakes unlike religion. . .scientist are honest enough to use the term" I do not know". . .unlike the various world religions that will never accept that they are wrong even when presented with evidence to show that their wild and baseless claims are false. . .  

Such as why new born mammals immediately know, while blind, the location of their mother's breasts. Or How Migratory birds born in Soth America find their way to Europe to meet parents they have never seen before. Or how Sea Turtle babies crack out of their shells on the beaches, and instantly head to the sea.

Scienist have provided explanations to so many many things in the world today that were once thought to be supernatural events. . .The rainbow is said to be a supernatural eventbecause according to the bible is a covenant between man and the bible god after the mythical global flood that never happened. . . but scientist have been able to show and explain that the rainbow is just a refraction of light on the surface of water droplets in the earth's atmosphere. . .Other religion say it is the necklace of some goddess which she displays during the raining season. .  So the people that believe that it is a covenant between man and their god have to provide evidence to show us that water vapour in the atmosphere does not refract before the mythical flood that never happened. . . .Scientist are willing to accept that they do not have explanations for things. . .religion on the other hand makes baseless and false assertions and runs away claiming that it is the "truth"

It may take you many years, Mazaje, to learn a bit of wisdom

mazaje:

One thing I like about science is that it grows and acknowledges its mistakes unlike religion. . .scientist are honest enough to use the term" I do not know". . .unlike the various world religions that will never accept that they are wrong even when presented with evidence to show that their wild and baseless claims are false. . .  

The problem is many of those who make such offhand but ignorant comments dont themselves work in the science community. Science "acknowledges mistakes" ONLY WHEN there is no other option, there are a vast array of contradictory scientific evidence out there in literature, no one ever takes back his work as wrong. The same scientists who use the term "i dont know" are also the same who deliberately mislead the public with claims such as "maybe", "associated with", "likely" . . . i use these terms too and we all know what they mean.

mazaje:

Scienist have provided explanations to so many many things in the world today that were once thought to be supernatural events. . .The rainbow is said to be a supernatural event because according to the bible is a covenant between man and the bible god after the mythical global flood that never happened. . . but scientist have been able to show and explain that the rainbow is just a refraction of light on the surface of water droplets in the earth's atmosphere. . .

this is frankly a LIE. the bible never said the rainbow was a supernatural effect, it only said Noah shld always see the rainbow as a remembrance of God's covenant to him.

mazaje:

Other religion say it is the necklace of some goddess which she displays during the raining season. .  So the people that believe that it is a covenant between man and their god have to provide evidence to show us that water vapour in the atmosphere does not refract before the mythical flood that never happened. . . .Scientist are willing to accept that they do not have explanations for things. . .religion on the other hand makes baseless and false assertions and runs away claiming that it is the "truth"

do they have any other option?

davidylan:

Another unintelligent red herring. I said evolution is not science but that of course is my personal opinion. It does NOTHING to remove the fact that evolution continues to be one of the pillars of 21st century science.

It is not true a LOT of scientist say that evolution is not science. . . . .I know some scientist that do not accept evolution as a scientific fact. . .Your opinion does not even matter here at all. . .

Its disgraceful to say that you dont believe evolution simply because i made a personal opinion on it . .

When will you learn to read When did I say that?. . I was only showing you what you said about evolution. . you decleared so many times that it is not science and talk about some scientist that you know who agree that it is not science. . . Keep on grasping at straws. . .

Now you claim you only believe science where "scientists have been able to prove some of their assertions" . . . the problem with this is that scientists have proven so many assertions but NONE OF THEM has anything to do with either this thread or debunking the creationists ideas.

I was pointing to the fact that I believe in science because some of its assertions are verifiable. . .You on the other hand have only baseless upon baseless claims that you can not even verify to hold unto. . you go around declearing them as "truths" even though you can not verify them. . . how can something that is unverifiable be taken as the"truth". . .Claims are not facts. . neither are they "truths"

You believe in things that can be empirically verified . . . but science has absolutely NO empirical evidence to repudiate the bible . . . so how can you claim to believe science?   You seem to be posting just for the sake of it, take good care to read your write-ups before hitting the reply button . . . it looks you're confused at this point.

The desperate lies these deluded goons tell themselves so that they can sleep at night. . . Are you sure that science has no empiricall evidence to repudiate the bible? The bible talks about the stars created by the bible god to be used for signs and that the stars from the sky will amongst other things fall into the earth someday when jesus will return with chariots of fire from the sky. . .scientist have shown that this ridiculous claim is false because stars can never and will never fall into the earth from the sky. . . The bible talks about demons and evil spirits causing diseases scientist have shown that mico-organisms cause diseases not demons, satan and all the other mythical figures that abound in your book of myths. . .

On top of everything you now show that you cannot grasp metaphors.

davidylan:



The problem is many of those who make such offhand but ignorant comments dont themselves work in the science community. Science "acknowledges mistakes" ONLY WHEN there is no other option, there are a vast array of contradictory scientific evidence out there in literature, no one ever takes back his work as wrong. The same scientists who use the term "i dont know" are also the same who deliberately mislead the public with claims such as "maybe", "associated with", "likely" . . .  i use these terms too and we all know what they mean.

At least they accept that their previous theories and hypothesis are wrong that is why science is always making progress and helping us to understand ourselves and our planet better. . . Religion on the other hand makes baseless claims that are false and wants immunity from criticism. . .   . . . .

this is frankly a LIE. the bible never said the rainbow was a supernatural effect, it only said Noah shld always see the rainbow as a remembrance of God's covenant to him.

The bible says that god put the rainbow in the clouds as a covenant between him and noah. . . if you believe that the rainbow began to appear only after the mythical flood that never happened then you will have to provide evidence showing that light does not refract any where in the earths atmosphere before the mythical flood that never happened. . .

do they have any other option?

At least it is better than making up lies like the religionist do. . .Pretending to know what you don't is the life blood of religion. . .

Deep Sight:

On top of everything you now show that you cannot grasp metaphors.

What are the metaphors. . .

Arguing with mazaje is an exercise in futility.

You can believe in the likelihood of extra terrestial beings, let me believe in the existence of demons and the devil, equation balanced.

there is a difference between probability and claiming something to be an absolute truth.

Are you saying your believe in the existence of demons is a "likelihood" or are you SURE?

davidylan:

Arguing with mazaje is an exercise in futility.

Arguing with deluded people that believe in unverifiable myths is really an exercise in futility. . .

davidylan:

Arguing with mazaje is an exercise in futility.

mazaje is a legend in making unprovable and baseless claims. . . .he is also the most talented in running round in circles.

noetic2:

mazaje is a legend in making unprovable and baseless claims. . . .he is also the most talented in running round in circles.

What are the unprovable and baseless claims?. . .Your bible is FULL of them. . .

This thread is turning into a mazaje versus davidlyan/noetic bout. I thought it was meant to discuss UFOs / Christian beliefs

Yes, so please lets return to the topic:

Cardinal Question: If there are extra-terrestial beings, do they need to accept Jesus inorder to be saved as well?

If not, then why should local aliens (non-christian ethnicities e.g chinese, indians, aborigenes) have to accept Jesus?

Deep Sight:

Yes, so please lets return to the topic:

Cardinal Question: If there are extra-terrestial beings, do they need to accept Jesus inorder to be saved as well?

If not, then why should local aliens (non-christian ethnicities e.g chinese, indians, aborigenes) have to accept Jesus?

ur questions do not add up.

Jesus came for the salvation of mankind. . . . , do your "local aliens" not constitute part of this mankind?

if . . if . . . if . . .

I believe in reality, where are the evidences proving the existence of extra-terrestial beigns?

Nezan - Its a theoretical question, so we dont need to prove anything.

Is it impossible to address theoretical questions?

Deep Sight:

Nezan - Its a theoretical question, so we dont need to prove anything.

Is it impossible to address theoretical questions?

That UFOs exist is a confirmed fact and not theoretical, what is theoretical is what is behind the UFOs, i.e who or what is flying them? There are a lot of credible sightings and pictorial evidence of them. Even the british goverment has acknowledge the fact that they exist they just don't say what they think they are.

So some of you do not believe in extra-terrrestrial beings?

Even your world governmnent knows and has been in official
contact with them centuries ago.

British Govt recently released some UFO Files publicly. Google that.

Below is an excerpt from evidences from top US Military Officers
(all of them are verifiable).

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The Greatest Secret in Modern History

UFOs and a Solution to the Environmental and Energy Crisis

The Cover-up: UFOs

Mercury & Gemini Astronaut, Colonel Gordon Cooper
A saucer flew right over [us], put down three landing gears, and landed out on the dry lakebed. [The cameramen] went out there with their cameras towards the UFO….I had a chance to hold [the film] up to the window. Good close-up shots. There was no doubt in my mind that it was made someplace other than on this earth.—Video interview. Transcribed in Disclosure, Steven M. Greer, MD., ed., pp. 226-227. See also Gordon Cooper & Bruce Henderson, Leap of Faith: an Astronaut’s Journey into the Unknown, pp. 80-91, 194 - 200.

FAA Division Chief of Accidents and Investigations, John Callahan
The UFO was bouncing around the 747. [It] was a huge ball with lights running around it….Well, I’ve been involved in a lot of cover-ups with the FAA. When we gave the presentation to the Reagan staff, they had all those people swear that this never happened. But they never had me swear it never happened. I can tell you what I’ve seen with my own eyes. I’ve got a videotape. I’ve got the voice tape. I’ve got the reports that were filed that will confirm what I’ve been telling you.—Video interview and Disclosure, pp. 80 - 85.

Former Chief of Defense, British Royal Navy, Admiral Lord Hill-Norton
I have frequently been asked why a person of my background—a former Chief of the Defense Staff, a former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee—why I think there is a cover-up [of] the facts about UFOs. I believe governments fear that if they did disclose those facts, people would panic. I don’t believe that at all. There is a serious possibility that we are being visited by people from outer space. It behooves us to find out who they are, where they come from, and what they want.—Video and Disclosure, pp. 305 - 307.

Former Director of CIA, Vice Admiral R.H. Hillenkoetter
It is time for the truth to be brought out in open Congressional hearings. Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel.—The New York Times, Sunday, February 28, 1960: “Air Force Order on ‘Saucers’ Cited,” p. L30. See also Disclosure, p. 58.

US Navy Pilot, Lieutenant Frederick Fox
There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept.—Disclosure, pp. 145, 146.

Marine Corps, Corporal Jonathan Weygandt
[The UFO] was buried in the side of a cliff. When I first saw it, I was scared. I think the creatures calmed me….[Later] I was arrested [by an Air Force officer]. He was saying, “Do you like the Constitution?” I’m like, “Yeah.” He said, “We don’t obey. We just do what we want. And if you tell anybody [about us or the UFO], you will just come up missing.”—Video and Disclosure, pp. 275 - 277.

UFO Message: Don’t Mess With Nuclear Weapons

US Air Force, FAA, Captain Robert Salas
[The security guard called and] said, “Sir, there’s a glowing red object hovering right outside the front gate. I’ve got all the men out here with their weapons drawn.” We lost between 16 to 18 ICBMs [nuclear-tipped InterContinental Ballistic Missiles] at the same time UFOs were in the area….[A high-ranking Air Force Officer] said, “Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report.” I heard that many of the guards that reported this incident were sent off to Viet Nam.—Video and Disclosure, pp. 168-171.

US Air Force Lieutenant, Professor Robert Jacobs
So this thing [UFO] fires a beam of light at the warhead, hits it and then it moves to the other side and fires another beam of light. And the warhead tumbles out of space. What message would I interpret from that? [The UFOs were telling us] don’t mess with nuclear warheads. Major Mannsman said, “You are never to speak of this again.” After an article [about the incident years later], people would call and start screaming at me. One night somebody blew up my mailbox.—Video and Disclosure, pp. 184, 187.

For full story see book Disclosure and witness videos at www.disclosureproject.org.

Disclosure Project has over 400 government and military witnesses prepared to testify on this subject.

More Cover-up: Advanced Technologies Developed from UFOs

Russian Air Force, Space Communications Center, General Vasily Alexeyev
As a rule, [places where UFOs appear] are objects of strategic significance….[The Air Force] came up with a table with pictures of all the shapes of UFOs that had ever been recorded—about fifty—ranging from ellipses and spheres to something resembling spaceships….The study of UFOs may reveal some new forms of energy to us, or at least bring us closer to a solution.—pp. 345–347.

US Army, General Stephen Lovekin
Colonel Holomon brought out a piece of what appeared to be metallic debris. He went on to explain that this was material that had come from a New Mexico crash in 1947 of an extraterrestrial craft, and that was discussed at length….I got an opportunity to travel with the President [Eisenhower]. He was very, very interested in what made [the UFOs] go. But what happened was that Eisenhower got sold out. He realized that he was losing control of the UFO subject. He realized that the [study of these technologies] was not going to be in the best hands. That was a real concern.—Video interview and Disclosure, pp. 230 - 236.

US Air Force, Aerospace Illustrator, Mark McCandlish
This [US made] antigravity propulsion system—this flying saucer—was one of three that were in this hangar at Norton Air Force Base. They called [it] the Alien Reproduction Vehicle [ARV], also nicknamed the Flux Liner.—Disclosure, p. 501.

US Marine Corps, Captain Bill Uhouse
The [flight] simulator was for the extraterrestrial craft they had—a 30 meter one that crashed in Kingman, Arizona, back in 1953. I was inside the actual alien craft for a start-up, There are probably two or three dozen [ARVs] that we built.—Disclosure, pp. 384, 385.

US Air Force, NRO Operative, Sergeant Dan Morris
UFOs are both extraterrestrial and manmade….It’s not that our government doesn’t want us to know that there are other people on other planets. What the people in power don’t want us to know is that this free energy [from energy generators developed with UFO technology] is available to everybody. So secrecy about the UFOs is because of the energy issue. When this knowledge is found out by the people, they will demand that our government release this technology, and it will change the world.—Disclosure, pp. 364.

US Air Force, Colonel Charles Brown
I was getting 20 to 30% improvement in efficiency on an internal combustion engine. I sponsored the US Army race team on a racing car, [and] we won a race. [Then] the Federal Trade Commission performed an illegal act. I lost my vehicle, about $100,000 worth of equipment, and a test vehicle was stolen….So in three weeks, psychologically I was wiped out.—Disclosure, pp. 247 - 251.

US Army, Ph.D. in Nuclear Engineering, Colonel Thomas E. Bearden
Probably 50 inventors have invented [virtually cost-free energy systems]. If we use these systems, we can clean up this biosphere. But, what we have is a situation where the entire structure of science, industry, and the patent office are against you. And behind this, we have a few people who are quite wealthy. The more powerful the agency, the more they will resort not only to legal, but to extra-legal means to suppress their competition. Lethal force is used.—Disclosure, pp. 534 – 542. See also www.cheniere.org.

The Grand War Plan: It’s All Based on a Lie

Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries, Spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun, Dr. Carol Rosin
Von Braun [founder of modern rocket science] told me [in 1974] that the reasons for space-based weaponry were all based on a lie. He said that the strategy was to use scare tactics—that first the Russians, then the terrorists are going to be considered the enemy. The next enemy was asteroids. “The last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens, and all of it is a lie.”….I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in the War Room. The conversation [was] about how they were going to antagonize these enemies and at some point, there was going to be a Gulf War. Now this is 1977!—Video, Disclosure, pp. 255-259.

Disclosure Project, Founder and Director, Steven M. Greer, M.D.

The situation is so dire that senior Joint Chiefs of Staff leaders in the Pentagon who I have briefed, have no more access to such projects than any other civilian—unless they are on the ‘inside.’ The government is really quite outside the loop. We have insiders and scientists who can prove that we do in fact possess energy generation systems capable of completely and permanently replacing all forms of currently used energy generation and transportation systems.
Every single person who is concerned about the environment and the human future should call for urgent hearings to allow these technologies to be disclosed, declassified, and safely applied.—Disclosure, pp. 14, 15, 567. See also Dr. Greer’s websites at www.disclosureproject.org, and www.seaspower.com.

Regarding UFO & Bible,

Will anyone tells me how a man in the 1,345 B.C would describe a phenomenon like UFO?

The Ashtar Command Fleet of the Galactic Federation is working relentless, to bring
the consiousness of this world into an higher frequency.

And those that operates in love will attain this feat (so that they will be able to withstand the
5th dimension field when the last catastrophe befalls the planet earth (end of the world)
and the saved are caught up into the heavens (RAPTURE).

This Galactic Federation in operating in our star systems contains million of ships that
are on standby for the evacuation of willing souls.

The Lord Jesus Sananda is the Lord God of this universe.

He is one of the Sons Creator of the FATHER. He actually created this universe and He commands
all beings living in this universe.

You should understand that there are many Gods as told in the Bible.

Try and look for an Hebrew translation of the Bible, you will realized how much the Bible has been
twisted.

I leave in Peace. Await my next transmission.

Ashtar.

@ Ashtar, although very intrigued by your posts, also worried about your mental stability.

I suppose you are accessing Nairaland from the safety of your Space Ship some 5 billion years above the earth . . . ? ? ?

HA!! SANITY INDEED ,

Forget about sanity for once.

I hope you read my post about the UFO Cover Up.

Now assuming you are sitting on your porch, and suddenly
you saw a spacecraft looming overhead as large as New York City,
without making a sound.

Would you consider yourself sane at that moment

Nah , I bet you wouldn't.

Let's get one thing straight, Mr Galacticos -

I firmly believe in the existence of extra terrestial intelligence and i am convinced that there are billions of worlds in existence.

WHAT I WANT, is an incisive grasp of the realities and real knowledge.

Your posturing as an alien hardly makes it possible to take you seriously in that regard.

So getting serious now:

Question: What is the Uncaused Cause of ALL existence.

@ashtar
Since you are the commander of a galactic fleet and you are so intent on convincing us as to the existence of UFOs why don't you pay us a visit and we would hold a world press conference to show the whole world your "galatic fleet" in that way people would stop doubting your existience.

Deep Sight:

Your posturing as an alien hardly makes it possible to take you seriously in that regard.

LMAO ,

Deep Sight:

Let's get one thing straight, Mr Galacticos -
Question: What is the Uncaused Cause of ALL existence.

Yeah , the existence exists because somebody/something/an entity made it exists.

See, there is God - better called a Supreme Creator that created all things.

I doubt if Himself could remember or know how He came into existence.

At a point, He became indescribably lonely. So, He began to express Himself and expand into existence.

His first impression of Himself were called creator Sons - Jesus Christ is one of them.

Jesus Christ created this universe and He actually embodied Himself into this world.

There are other universes apart from this one we know.

But really, getting to know all these is a daunting task considering the fact that we are not in the
right frame of consciousness to grab it.

But very soon, I promise, the Son of Man will come back riding in the biggest Spacecraft (clouds) you can ever imagine

For the lack of technological terms, the ancient people have to way to describe spacecrafts and spacebeings than to
say angels come in clouds, Elijah was taken in a Chariot of Fire, Jesus Christ ascended into heaven etc

All these are very advanced technological feat that has been existing from eternity.

Await my next transmission.

Kunle, this is a great siggestion. But Ashtar may have security concerns since he states that the World Governments are keen to hide the truth.

So let just you and i agree on a place to meet with him secretly, so that he can show us various UFO paraphenalia and if we ar lucky we can also get him to take us on a 1 week trip to other parts of the Universe.

Ashtar, wetin you feel?

Deep Sight:

Kunle, this is a great siggestion. But Ashtar may have security concerns since he states that the World Governments are keen to hide the truth.

So let just you and i agree on a place to meet with him secretly, so that he can show us various UFO paraphenalia and if we ar lucky we can also get him to take us on a 1 week trip to other parts of the Universe.

Ashtar, wetin you feel?

I concur @Ashtar i eagerly look forward to meeting you and your galactic fleet.