winner01:
Boko haram and all muslims terrorists as well as theist murders over the years have not killed 1/100 of people compared to those killed by atheist murderers over the years. Ive proved that severally on my threads. I dont have your time now, just give me a few minutes.

What did I just read!! Well am not surprised it's a "Christian thing" LIE!
Fact:
From the 11th century to the 18th century Christian have been killing I won't compair this to the atheist that av killed but I will compare it to Muslims. the amount of people the Muslims have killed up to this day, is not even up to quarter of the amount of people the Christian have killed an tortured for over 700years now. this is not to include the Jews O just Christian we have the holy war,the Inquisition, the Holocaust and what have U This is one of the reason m following this thread. not to even talk of slavery self our African men & women that were beaten nearly half to death by Christians and our women that we're raped? And U have the guts to make that foolish statement of urs??

DeSepiero:
We don't try to understand or pick a point from another fellows argument while we debate. We rather look for conflicting ideas. This is a problem!!

Let's try to be empathetic.
We could learn a whole lot from one another.

Cc. HopefulLandlord, Winner01

Bros, I've been very clear, if atheism is evil, then you have to proffer a "non-evil" alternative that opposes it, if the alternative that's opposing it has it's own evil, then its definitely not a solution

KingEbukasBlog:


Evidently , Christianity is not that kind of religion - at least you insist on seeing as a religion . The greatest minds in all walks of life are Christians , in science , business , sports , entertainment just name it .

It appears atheism on other hand limits the potential of the mind , it portrays the universe as a purposeless cosmic mistake and cleaving unto that principle an atheist would most likely see life as worthless . Well , that explains why ab initio Mundi, atheists are the least distinguished and accomplished in life . They vent their frustration on the religious ones and out of hate and jealousy induced political theories that would focus on impeding the progress of the religious after they sate their thirst for power .

So aside from Christianity, you accept that religions in general are mental yokes?

What does Christianity have that other religions and atheism lack?

winner01:
I've not started anything again. I made claims and gave proof to support them. None of you have refuted it.

Story!!!

Stop embarrasing yourself, no one is demanding that you explain what communism is or isnt. Your words do not hold as much value as the quotes above. The intents of communist leaders are clear no matter how much you try to dilute it.


Ive given proof that the ideas of those atheist communist murderers are no different from 2016 atheists. I really do not need you to change history.

Winner, as usual, defying logic. My post simply gave you the context on which communism was founded, and the explanation to their antireligious statements. But as usual, you're not here to learn. Your mind is set in stone and you see what you want to see.
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Its funny how religious nuts like him are quick to scream that atheists take things like bible verses out of context, but then quote statements without understanding the context behind them. I provided that for him and he says I'm 'changing history'. Smh

Kay17:


So aside from Christianity, you accept that religions in general are mental yokes?

What does Christianity have that other religions and atheism lack?

Christianity is a lifestyle - denotes the interests, opinions, behaviours, and behavioural orientations of an individual or group . God's plan for mankind to attain his apotheosis remains the animus that keeps the Christians going .

*3 John 2 : 1
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Christianity which has 32 percent of the world's population as adherents is the wealthiest religion possessing 55 percent of the global wealt . The wealthiest countries are Christian countries , the most advanced country is a country . Christians are the wealthiest by miles- 56 percent of the 13.1 million millionaires are Christians more than half of the billionaires -over 1800- are Christians .

*The bible lays so much emphasis on education : " My people perish for lack of knowledge " , "Study to show thyself approved " even Jesus during his time was described as one who grew with so much wisdom . Aetatis 12 , Christ was already an erudite young man - amassing so much knowledge even more than his teachers .

*Also God detests foolishness . In fact , displaying foolishness is an anathema to him . Ignorance is foolishness , and education counteracts ignorance . Christians founded most of the top universities in the world , Havard , Yale etc and other prestigious citadels of learning .

Proverb 18: 12: A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Proverbs 1:7 : fools despise wisdom and instruction.

*Our belief in God gives meaning to life . We know we were created for greatness

Jeremiah 29:11 : For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.
Matthew 6:33 :But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 :For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.

*We were likened to gods [Psalm 82 :6] - Do you know what that means ? We have what it takes to rule , to be very great . To leverage the potential of our minds .

*We are called royalty and seen as peculiar people who are out of darkness unto light .1 Peter 2:9 : But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

*On Morals , of course God is the source of morality . Christ exhorts us to live a life of rectitude and attain perfection just like God who is holy. And good morals affect one's behavior- evil communication corrupts good manners [1 Corinthians 15:33]

*On Life generally , we should love one another and be at peace with one another . We should eschew evil , depravities etc .

There are myriads of reasons why Christianity does not impede development . We have the most nobel laureates in various fields , we have the most successful sportsmen , businessmen just name it babe . These bible verses are been fulfilled in our lives .

AnonyNymous:

Winner, as usual, defying logic. My post simply gave you the context on which communism was founded, and the explanation to their antireligious statements. But as usual, you're not here to learn. Your mind is set in stone and you see what you want to see.
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Its funny how religious nuts like him are quick to scream that atheists take things like bible verses out of context, but then quote statements without understanding the context behind them. I provided that for him and he says I'm 'changing history'. Smh

Bro , stop spewing trash . Check out my sagacious rebuttal on front page - my post has been modified . We can now proceed from there

AmenRa1:

Red Herring .

KingEbukasBlog:



Bro , stop spewing trash . Check out my sagacious rebuttal on front page - my post has been modified . We can now proceed from there

Bros, tell us why "theism" does not have "evil" tendencies

I repeat "theism" since its opposite of "atheism"

KingEbukasBlog:


Christianity is a lifestyle - denotes the interests, opinions, behaviours, and behavioural orientations of an individual or group . God's plan for mankind to attain his apotheosis remains the animus that keeps the Christians going .

*3 John 2 : 1
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Christianity which has 32 percent of the world's population as adherents is the wealthiest religion possessing 55 percent of the global wealt . The wealthiest countries are Christian countries , the most advanced country is a country . Christians are the wealthiest by miles- 56 percent of the 13.1 million millionaires are Christians more than half of the billionaires -over 1800- are Christians .

*The bible lays so much emphasis on education : " My people perish for lack of knowledge " , "Study to show thyself approved " even Jesus during his time was described as one who grew with so much wisdom . Aetatis 12 , Christ was already an erudite young man - amassing so much knowledge even more than his teachers .

*Also God detests foolishness . In fact , displaying foolishness is an anathema to him . Ignorance is foolishness , and education counteracts ignorance . Christians founded most of the top universities in the world , Havard , Yale etc and other prestigious citadels of learning .

Proverb 18: 12: A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Proverbs 1:7 : fools despise wisdom and instruction.

*Our belief in God gives meaning to life . We know we were created for greatness

Jeremiah 29:11 : For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.
Matthew 6:33 :But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 :For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.

*We were likened to gods [Psalm 82 :6] - Do you know what that means ? We have what it takes to rule , to be very great . To leverage the potential of our minds .

*We are called royalty and seen as perpendicular people who are out of darkness unto light .1 Peter 2:9 : But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

*On Morals , of course God is the source of morality . Christ exhorts us to live a life of rectitude and attain perfection just like God who is holy. And good morals affect one's behavior- evil communication corrupts good manners [1 Corinthians 15:33]

*On Life generally , we should love one another and be at peace with one another . We should eschew evil , depravities etc .

There are myriads of reasons why Christianity does not impede development . We have the most nobel laureates in various fields , we have the most successful sportsmen , businessmen just name it babe . These bible verses are been fulfilled in our lives .

Excellent reasons.

Now you should see why atheists are skeptical about religions because they are mental yokes. Don't you at least agree with atheists on that?

hopefuLandlord:


Bros, tell us why "theism" does not have "evil" tendencies

I repeat "theism" since its opposite of "atheism"

Theism is now the opposite of atheism when we're attacking atheism but when you want to attack you focus on Christianity

KingEbukasBlog:
Communism is the conflation of Marxism and Leninism - ideologies of their originators Marx , Lenin . Karl Marx founded Marxism while Vladmir Lenin founded Lenin . These atheists as well as every atheist see religion as an impediment to development .

Leninism developed from Marxism . And Lenin , the founder of Leninism , has the following views about religion :

1. He sees religion as a tool used for oppression of the indigent : As a system of belief, religion adds to the oppressive woes of the exploited, “coarsening and darkening … the spiritual and moral life of the masses” (Lenin 10:83).

We have seen time after time how religion adds to the oppressive woes of the masses. Look at pastors telling people to pay tithes in order to get married. The ideas behind communism, a centrally planned economy, means everyone is equal. Therefore there will be no need for anyone to ask you 'pay money to god to help the poor' because there's no rich and no poor, and everyone has the same amounts of money. No pastor will be able to lie about 'giving to the poor'.

2. He also sees religious beliefs as delusions : We may believe that the gods will provide us succour under trial, that our prayers for relief will be answered, that God will punish our enemies at the Judgement Seat, that the grace of God will lead to a life far greater than our present one. Yet we are deluded, for these beliefs merely make us content with our lot (Lenin 5:338).

While these are more of Lenin's personal beliefs, I'm pretty sure you'd agree with me that a person who decides to sit on a tree till Zeus comes down from heaven is deluded. This is the same way he views your religion. If you notice there, he believes that the delusion that 'the grace of god will lead to a life far greater than our present one' make us 'content with our lot'. In other words, a lazy man on earth has been promised mansions as long as he believes in a book and goes around telling people to believe in it. That particular statement is merely telling us not to rely on some bogus promises that may or may not be true, but instead NOT be content with mediocrity and strive by ourselves, to make the best we can possibly make.

3. He blatantly mentions religion as being a problem to man : Our own beliefs are only part of the problem, for they are perpetrated by clergy, the “gendarmes in cassocks” (Lenin 17:142; Lenin 5:385, 414; 6:259) who are hand-in-glove with state powers, from which they receive their stipends, residences, church buildings, and by which the whole ecclesial system is maintained.

This is an obvious reference to the Roman Catholic church's marriage of church and state. I don't have to remind you of the horrors of that terrible union. Remember the Borgia's?

4. He sees religion as a tool used by capitalists to preserve their affluent status : In short, the clergy are part of the small ruling class, numbering also landowners and capitalists: those keen to preserve their privileged status (Lenin 19:28).

Look at the pastors and their private jets. Paid for y members of the church. Jesus Christ had socialistic tendencies. By mere appearance, you couldnt tell apart the status of Jesus and his followers.The religion that came after him is capitalistic. Rich pastors and poor members.

Every atheist holds these views on religion.

Not EVERY atheist. In some cases religion is used to comfort people and keep them in check. Religion, however genuine the original founders may have been, has become a distorted concept that can be twisted into various different meanings and used for any purpose.

They see the acceptance of atheism as a panacea to the world's problems.

As I said, atheists are different people with different ideologies. You and a Muslim are both theists and hold different beliefs.
'Acceptance of atheism' is not a solution, because phrasing it as such is basically just turning it into another religion, where you hold the hypotheses of various scientists to the same level religious people hold their myths and legends. However, separation of religion from state decisions is a very good idea. Look at how much money Nigeria recently lost, just to subsidize exchange rates for religious people. Your religion should be for you and you alone, same as the way nobody cares about what your favorite color is.

They accuse the religious of instigating conflicts . Some of today's atheists have overtly said that if they had the power , they'd annihilate religion . This same animus pushed the communist leaders to go on a killing spree -exterminating the lives of the religious ones .

Religious people have instigated enough conflicts. I don't need to list examples, just turn on your TV and go to CNN.
People claiming to want to 'annihilate religion' are deluded because its not possible. Note that its one thing to annihikate religion and another to annihilate religious people. I am strongly against any idea that involves harming a fellow human being. And as for trying to annihilate religion, its just like trying to change a person's favorite color. You just cant. However, you can decide that the person's favorite color will not decide the color you will paint your house, but instead you'll paint it in a color that is more beneficial to everyone that will live there. Including those that don't even want the house painted.

For the atheists who controvert that atheism led to the killings , the founders of the ideologies don't agree with you . Here's what Lenin said in his book Religion :

Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism.

As I said. You cannot achieve equal distribution of wealth when it is tied to religion. Its impossible. Religious ideas promoted some people to super status and push others to lowly positions. Communism wants a complete balance between all members of society as the initial belief is that all men are equal.

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Kay17:


Excellent reasons.

Now you should see why atheists are skeptical about religions because they are mental yokes. Don't you at least agree with atheists on that?

Considering atheism is a mental yoke if we should scrutinize its principles I think y'all should become Christians and them help us extricate other religious people from their parochial beliefs so they can leverage their minds which have been decrepit . What do you think ?

@AnonyNymous ... you only responded to parts of my post . Go back and complete it so I can respond Thanks

KingEbukasBlog:
@AnonyNymous ... you only responded to parts of my post . Go back and complete it so I can respond Thanks

The only part I ommited was your final conclusion. I answered everything else. And reduced the font sizes.

KingEbukasBlog:


Theism is now the opposite of atheism when we're attacking atheism but when you want to attack you focus on Christianity

Bros, why not show me how my turning theist would remove the tendencies?

Open your holy book

[size=15pt]ALL "EVIL" IN THE BIBLE WAS DONE BY A THEIST[/size]

I don't think the OP really believes any of his arguments. I'll engage him when he is willing to be honest. He's just trolling us in my view.

AnonyNymous:

The only part I ommited was your final conclusion. I answered everything else. And reduced the font sizes.

Dude , You just elaborated on Lenin's take on religion- duurrhh you an atheist - but did not refute the main point of the post which is the proof that atheism was the animus that drove them to kill millions of religious people .

The point of stating lenin and karl marx 's beliefs on religion was to show you that communism is simply " abolish religion and impose atheism"

Bro , its called "rebuttal" for a reason . And you didn't give me rebuttal and I saw traces of red herrings .

Rebuttal
When two people debate, one of them makes an argument, and the other follows with a rebuttal, which, plainly put, is the "no, you're wrong and this is why" argument.

The above was my expectation , show me that atheism did not lead to those deaths

KingEbukasBlog:


Dude , You just elaborated on Lenin's take on religion- duurrhh you an atheist - but did not refute the main point of the post which is the proof that atheism was the animus that drove them to kill millions of religious people .

The point of stating lenin and karl marx 's beliefs on religion was to show you that communism is simply " abolish religion and impose atheism"

Bro , its called "rebuttal" for a reason . And you didn't give me rebuttal and I saw traces of red herrings .

Rebuttal
When two people debate, one of them makes an argument, and the other follows with a rebuttal, which, plainly put, is the "no, you're wrong and this is why" argument.

The above was my expectation , show me that atheism did not lead to those deaths

Maybe you should read my post first.

Seun:
I don't think the OP really believes any of his illogical arguments. I'll engage him when he is willing to be honest. He's jut trolling us in my view.

Logical fallacy pooh pooh - that's what weaklings do , a redoubtable debater does not resort to logical fallacies .

Seun:
I don't think the OP really believes any of his arguments. I'll engage him when he is willing to be honest. He's just trolling us in my view.

So true

AnonyNymous:

Maybe you should read my post first.

I did . And I didn't see you prove that atheism isn't culpable for the killings carried out by communists . Like I said you elaborated on the already stated beliefs of Lenin and Karl and then focused on subjects that are extraneous to the discussion , red herrings .

You could post an excerpt of what I want to see though , so we can proceed .

hopefuLandlord:


Bros, why not show me how my turning theist would remove the tendencies?

Open your holy book

[size=15pt]ALL "EVIL" IN THE BIBLE WAS DONE BY A THEIST[/size]

Honestly , why are you being disingenuous ? When you guys attack , do you focus on theism or Christianity . Please focus on the arguments , if they are too tenable for you then leave it for someone else who understands the subject being discussed .

KingEbukasBlog:


Honestly , why are you being disingenuous ? When you guys attack , do you focus on theism or Christianity . Please focus on the arguments , if they are too tenable for you then leave it for someone else who understands the subject being discussed .

Bros, you're the one being disingenuous; check my posts, I've almost always focused on theism as a whole, but would attack you guys when you shove your own religion in my face, check my posts

I'm simply asking a simple question here and you're dodging

How does my believing in ANY of the 5000 gods remove the tendency?

Read up about "evil" head of states Nigeria's had over the years, are they "atheists"?

Read up on " evil" being carried out in Nigeria, are they done by "atheists"?

Now, if Yahweh believers can be "evil"

The tendency is therefore there for both theists and atheists

When a Christian sins, is he suddenly an atheist?

it gives too much power to the government and those that tend to be in charge later develop autotheistic tendencies in believing that they, themselves, are a form of a god - the exact same thing Marx was against.

As I said, atheists are different people with different ideologies. You and a Muslim are both theists and hold different beliefs.

However, separation of religion from state (main tenet of communism) decisions is a very good idea.

There's more, and I thought you'd draw the conclusion yourself. My elaboration on those points you raised are to show you that they don't support your claim that atheism is responsible for the killings.

You keep referring to atheism as a belief system - when you do that you are referring to people who hold hypotheses of some scientists as the ultimate.

Atheism in its real sense is just the rejection of belief in gods. Its not a counter-belief, its unbelief.
Most atheists rely on logic, facts, observed laws of nature.

The killings of religious people by Stalin are products of his delusion that he could force people to stop believing in fairytales. By using violence, you don't make people stop believing, you just induce fear.

People claiming to want to 'annihilate religion' are deluded because its not possible. Note that its one thing to annihilate religion and another to annihilate religious people.

KingEbukasBlog

FearGodAndLive:

He made claims. You jumped up with a notepad, typed 'atheist killings' on Google, and opened over 12 tabs worth of copy-and-paste, ready to bombard him with. Christ must be proud of your kind of evangelism.

Wow, and you're so sure I did just that. Maybe you should type atheist killings on google and counter my facts.

Its evident you cant defend the evils committed in the name of atheism. Just watch and sulk if you cant.

hopefuLandlord:

And I've given you an assignment

Go to your Bible and other religious books; pick out killings by atheists

The Bible records only the history of israelites and few other clans to pass a message. It is not an hostory textbook.
We can turn to our history text books to find out about atheists murderers in history.

FearGodAndLive:

It is. The hope of heaven keeps u going through suffering. There can be no progress where a people's creativity, aspirations, ideas and dreams spring from a dead Jew's cross, a story converted by their Colonizers for the sole purpose of control. No Holy Spirit prophecy can change or erase that part of our history. Neither Christianity nor Islam was created with the African's progress in mind.

Those creativity, aspirations, ideas and dreams have been far better and are still far better than that of atheism. There are proofs of discoveries, inventions and innovations of these christians whose minds were influenced by our Lord Jesus.

Your cries and pain wont erase that fact.

Nobody killed anybody with the aim of promoting atheism. Stalin and Pol Pot killed thousands in order to perpetuate themselves in power not for the religion they believed in.

hopefuLandlord:
[size=15pt]PLS GUYS THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT ATHEISM, SO COUNTER POINTS SHOULD PLS REFER TO "THEISM" AS A WHOLE RATHER THAN SITE EXAMPLES OF ONLY ONE OF THE RELIGIONS

LAST TIME I CHECKED, BOKO HARAM ARE "THEISTS"[/size]

[size=15pt]If boko haram continues to kill for the next 20 years at theist rate, they still wont meet the record of madness frim just one atheist. Mao ze dong.[/size]

hopefuLandlord:


Why are you scared of answering that question?

TAKE YOUR BIBLE AND SHOW ME WHERE AN ATHEIST KILLED SOMEONE

Whats has happened to you today? Its like me referring to a physics textbook asking it to show me what to eat. The book has a target, it does not record every history of all humans. I also cant show you in the bible where a muslim killed someone, but islamic murders are evident in our world. Crying wont stop the Bible from being the best seller ever.

hopefuLandlord:


So, "theism" isn't the solution?

That's what you're saying?

Of course, religionis not the solution. God is the solution. Religious people were constantly against Jesus.