hopefuLandlord:


He's been boxed to a corner

Let's say atheists killed 1B people

Theists killed 10M people (just examples pls)

He's now saying we should go for the one that killed 10M because it killed less people; and he still doesn't see a problem in that logic

hopefuLandlord:


Bros, now your dishonesty is laid bare

Deviates from believing in GOD (by God, you mean Yahweh) the same dishonesty I've always referred to

I've been straightforward in my posts here by making it clear that this is a "theism vs atheism" debate

[size=15pt]ALMOST ALL THE KILLINGS IN YOUR HOLY BOOK WERE CARRIED OUT BY THEISTS; ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE[/size]

now, back to the beginning of this argument; my post you're trying to counter is simply this



Bros, even neutrals can see that you've not countered that, you've only shown that both atheists and theists both have evil mentalities of their predecessors

[size=17pt]ALL YOU (WINNER01) HAS DONE SO FAR IS PROVE ME RIGHT; IF ATHEISM HAS EVIL MENTALITIES; THEISM IS NOT THE SOLUTION EITHER[/size]

hopefuLandlord:


He's been boxed to a corner

Let's say atheists killed 1B people

Theists killed 10M people (just examples pls)

He's now saying we should go for the one that killed 10M because it killed less people; and he still doesn't see a problem in that logic

DeSepiero:
We don't try to understand or pick a point from another fellows argument while we debate. We rather look for conflicting ideas. This is a problem!!

Let's try to be empathetic.
We could learn a whole lot from one another.

Cc. HopefulLandlord, Winner01

Ranchhoddas:
Those dishonest threads that you create every other day right?

"Thus, according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history."

The American Indian Holocaust, known as the “500 year war” and the “World’s Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives.”
Genocide and Denying It: Why We Are Not Taught that the Natives of the United States and Canada were Exterminated

Death Toll: 95,000,000 to 114,000,000

By mass-execution prior to the arrival of Columbus the land defined as the 48 contiguous states of America numbered in excess of 12 million. Four centuries later, it had been reduced by 95% (237 thousand). How? When Columbus returned in 1493 he brought a force of 17 ships. He began to implement slavery and mass-extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years five million were dead

DeSepiero:
We don't try to understand or pick a point from another fellows argument while we debate. We rather look for conflicting ideas. This is a problem!!

Let's try to be empathetic.
We could learn a whole lot from one another.

Cc. HopefulLandlord, Winner01

Weah96:

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302

Another one:

https://espressostalinist.com/genocide/native-american-genocide/



Why do you ignore 100 million dead humans? Narrative doesn't add up, heh?

AmenRa1:

What did I just read!! Well am not surprised it's a "Christian thing" LIE!
Fact:
From the 11th century to the 18th century Christian have been killing I won't compair this to the atheist that av killed but I will compare it to Muslims. the amount of people the Muslims have killed up to this day, is not even up to quarter of the amount of people the Christian have killed an tortured for over 700years now. this is not to include the Jews O just Christian we have the holy war,the Inquisition, the Holocaust and what have U This is one of the reason m following this thread. not to even talk of slavery self our African men & women that were beaten nearly half to death by Christians and our women that we're raped? And U have the guts to make that foolish statement of urs??

Seun:
I don't think the OP really believes any of his arguments. I'll engage him when he is willing to be honest. He's just trolling us in my view.

hopefuLandlord:


Bros, I've been very clear, if atheism is evil, then you have to proffer a "non-evil" alternative that opposes it, if the alternative that's opposing it has it's own evil, then its definitely not a solution

KingEbukasBlog:


Considering atheism is a mental yoke if we should scrutinize its principles I think y'all should become Christians and them help us extricate other religious people from their parochial beliefs so they can leverage their minds which have been decrepit . What do you think ?

AnonyNymous:

Winner, as usual, defying logic. My post simply gave you the context on which communism was founded, and the explanation to their antireligious statements. But as usual, you're not here to learn. Your mind is set in stone and you see what you want to see.
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Its funny how religious nuts like him are quick to scream that atheists take things like bible verses out of context, but then quote statements without understanding the context behind them. I provided that for him and he says I'm 'changing history'. Smh

winner01:
My mind is open to evidences that can disprove my claims, not emotional statements that seeks to dilute the truth.

You want to explain the contextual meaning of when one says: Religion is a disease and should be eradicated.
ok!
Go on, i'm listening.

AnonyNymous:







There's more, and I thought you'd draw the conclusion yourself. My elaboration on those points you raised are to show you that they don't support your claim that atheism is responsible for the killings.

You keep referring to atheism as a belief system - when you do that you are referring to people who hold hypotheses of some scientists as the ultimate.

Atheism in its real sense is just the rejection of belief in gods. Its not a counter-belief, its unbelief.
Most atheists rely on logic, facts, observed laws of nature.

The killings of religious people by Stalin are products of his delusion that he could force people to stop believing in fairytales. By using violence, you don't make people stop believing, you just induce fear.
KingEbukasBlog

chijiblaze:
Nobody killed anybody with the aim of promoting atheism. Stalin and Pol Pot killed thousands in order to perpetuate themselves in power not for the religion they believed in.

winner01:
But why now?
I want to know where the indians were killed because of their disbelief in God or because americans wanted their lands.

AnonyNymous:

I'm not diluting anything, I explained in my first post and then in my responses to king Ebuka, read those objectively first

winner01:
You wish they were dishonest. I give proofs supporting my claim, else it would have been easy to refute them.
No one can dispute the evidences in my posts simply because they are the truth.

Weah96:


Christians exterminated them in order to occupy their lands. The fact that they were indigenous heathens had everything to do with it. Can we divorce purpose from identity?

Stalin killed those opposed to his ideas, did he kill because people believed in god? That's a real narrow way of presenting an argument.

Weah96:


Christians exterminated them in order to occupy their lands. The fact that they were indigenous heathens had everything to do with it. Can we divorce purpose from identity?

Stalin killed those opposed to his ideas, did he kill because people believed in god? That's a real narrow way of presenting an argument.

Ranchhoddas:
Like the truth about Hitler being atheist right?

winner01:
Ive told you. Religion is not the solution, Jesus is the solution.

Weah96:


One man is the solution to the problems of the whole world, and he's Israeli by origin.
Ok.

Sounds like Donald Trump a few weeks ago. He called himself the ONLY solution for America's problems and got riduculed for expressing megalomania in public.

But i get your point. This your Jesus created the whole universe. Before he became an Israeli human and died.

winner01:
Should I provide you with 5 quotes of Hitler against christianity and the dates, while you provide for me just 1 pro-christian quite from Hitler after the dates i will provide?

KingEbukasBlog:


Christianity is also the rejection of all other gods . Due to atheism , the founders of Marxism and Leninism developed several critical beliefs about religion . Communism , Marxism-Leninism , simply means "abolish religion and impose atheism " . It had nothing to do with the personal desires of those atheist potentates . They killed because their political ideologies were caused by atheism - the rejection of gods and religion

Atheists rely on different ideologies INDUCED by their disbelief in God and religion - atheism . Now look at this , the bellicose rabid theists kill because of the ideologies induced by their belief and religion , and bellicose rabid atheists kill or are malevolent because of the ideologies induced by the disbelief and rejection of religion Eg communism .

For the rabid theists they want to impose their religion because of their religious ideologies and for the rabid atheists they want to impose atheism and abolish religion because of the atheistic ideologies e.g communism .

Plus you have to impugn their morality - subjective morality , whereby what is morally wrong or right is due to a person's personal perceptive. What was their perspective on how to annihilate religion ? Kill the contumacious religious people . Why is it the right thing to do ? Because they are perceived as encumbrances to development due to their beliefs . See ? The killings were justified from their personal perspective . Of course we know that the religious agrees to objective morality .

Ranchhoddas:
Please explain to me how opposition to Christianity/religion equates atheism. Show me one quote where Hitler renounced belief in a Higher Power.

AnonyNymous:

I don't call for a total ban because that'd be irrational and against freedom of expression. But I think that religion should not be elevated to the level that it is today and should be more personal, to the point that no one cares but you yourself, just as nobody comes asking you on the street if your bellybutton is in or out.

winner01:
If Jesus were to come from Nigeria, israelites will say the same thing,

Jesus had to come from somewhere bro.

winner01:
How do you intend to do this, you would have to kill someone like me to try to seperate me from my Creator. Many other people are like me.

winner01:
AnonyNymous, what exactly do you believe in?