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Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 2:20am On Dec 14, 2016 |
Ikenna351: Oga Ikenna, I dont know much about the Peugeot, there is nothing to know that I believe I already dont know. All those engine types means nothing to this thread but the lubricant that the engines requires. I am not criticizing the local oil labels but trying to make them realize that motorists are now wiser. I have direct access with OANDO and TOTAL lubricants heads and we have been discussing the trend in the market especially OANDO and Forte. The major reason for this thread is to make us patronize our local oil labels. I have been buying Castrol and Mobil 1 USA and I was wondering why are we not buying local oil labels and we decided to investigate their claims. Forte oil lubricant manager was not willing to tell us more about the components of the Forte 10000 Synth. I called Mobil and they told me that the Lub guy is not in the office but he will get back to me. Total said that I should write the MD to obtain information from their Lub Manager. That said, I ran a lube bay with TOTAL in Zone 3, Abuja and so I worked on many Peugeot cars and also was privileged to service some of the vehicles of the Nigerian Customs service who were my neighbours. I remember that TOTAL were fidgeting about the 408, where they will get the oil to service the car and from the oil specifications of PSA Citroen, Q9000 cannot and is not suitable for use on newer Peugeot cars. PSA Peugeot-Citroën Oil Specifications Motor Oils The French PSA group issued a set of oil specifications in 2009 in order to exercise greater control over the motor oils used in their vehicles. All specifications are based on ACEA specs but also require further conditions to be met. PSA B71 2290 Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. B71 2290 is a low-SAPS oil intended for engines with diesel particulate filters and with Euro 5 emission standards. General specifications are: ACEA C2 or C3 with additional PSA tests. PSA B71 2294 Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. Main specification: ACEA A3/B4 with additional PSA tests. PSA B71 2295 Peugeot/Citroën engine oil standard for engine before MY 1998. General specification: ACEA A2/B2. [b]PSA B71 2296 Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. General specifications: ACEA A3/B4 + additional PSA tests. The bolded is the oem specification for Total Q9000. The new generation of Peugeot cars uses the oil that TOTAL does not sell in Nigeria. Can you tell us which of the TOTAL oils has ACEA C2 or C3? PSA B71 2312 Peugeot Citroën has developed B71 2312 standard for oils able to endure the most severe thermal constrains along with most modern after treatment systems compatibility. The PSA B71 2312 standard applies to all Peugeot and Citroën vehicles equipped with “BlueHDi” Diesel engines fitted with SCR (Selective Catalyst Reduction) allowing NOx (Nitrous oxides) treatment through the use of AdBlue® additive or so-called “diesel exhaust fluid”. The standard also requires improved cold flow properties to reduce hydrodynamic friction of the oil, in order to obtain fuel economy benefits especially when the oil is cold. This extra requirement for cold flow properties allows excellent oil flow at start up, faster oil pressure build up, faster revs raisings and faster operating temperature reach. This type of low viscosity lubricant allows fuel consumption reduction and therefore reduces greenhouse gases (CO2) emissions. Where do you get your oil, Lion King? Is it Total or Esso? |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by anneki(m): 10:32pm On Dec 14, 2016 |
Chief, Stay on track. i believe your mission is to create awareness and perhaps get enough momentum amongst users to force the local blenders to improve the quality of their products. sooperrescue: 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 4:01am On Dec 15, 2016 |
Thanks bros, that has been the intention but the ban that I have been facing is making me to believe that whoever is the moderator has sinister motives to be deleting my post every time I respond to the lion king. I will try it again and if it repeats itself, then I will know what to do. 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 4:14am On Dec 15, 2016 |
PSA Peugeot-Citroën Oil Specifications Motor Oils The French PSA group issued a set of oil specifications in 2009 in order to exercise greater control over the motor oils used in their vehicles. All specifications are based on ACEA specs but also require further conditions to be met. PSA B71 2290 Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. B71 2290 is a low-SAPS oil intended for engines with diesel particulate filters and with Euro 5 emission standards. General specifications are: ACEA C2 or C3 with additional PSA tests. PSA B71 2294 Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. Main specification: ACEA A3/B4 with additional PSA tests. PSA B71 2295 Peugeot/Citroën engine oil standard for engine before MY 1998. General specification: ACEA A2/B2. PSA B71 2296 Peugeot/Citroën engine oil specification introduced in 2009. General specifications: ACEA A3/B4 + additional PSA tests. PSA B71 2312 Peugeot Citroën has developed B71 2312 standard for oils able to endure the most severe thermal constrains along with most modern after treatment systems compatibility. The PSA B71 2312 standard applies to all Peugeot and Citroën vehicles equipped with “BlueHDi” Diesel engines fitted with SCR (Selective Catalyst Reduction) allowing NOx (Nitrous oxides) treatment through the use of AdBlue® additive or so-called “diesel exhaust fluid”. The standard also requires improved cold flow properties to reduce hydrodynamic friction of the oil, in order to obtain fuel economy benefits especially when the oil is cold. This extra requirement for cold flow properties allows excellent oil flow at start up, faster oil pressure build up, faster revs raisings and faster operating temperature reach. This type of low viscosity lubricant allows fuel consumption reduction and therefore reduces greenhouse gases (CO2) emissions. |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by helpishere(m): 4:26am On Dec 15, 2016 |
Why will the moderator ban you? What are they hiding from us? Nairaland Cartalk do not have quality contributors anymore and yet they do this? Marpol must be high on Ethiopian chat 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by helpishere(m): 4:55am On Dec 15, 2016 |
http://catalog.lubricants.total.com/en/products/dh5/CLASSIC-C3-5W-40. With due respect to the LION Guard or King, why does Total sell us Classic sae 40 and sell Classic 5w40 in other markets? This is the classic C that Peugeot recommends for their new vehicles. We dont have it here. Op, what choice do we have in these local oil labels? should we all go foreign? But Turkish oils are worse than our locals, what do we do? And Ikenna, the mobil 1 oil that is imported is not the same quality with the one sold in the local Mobil petrol stations across Nigeria. Haba, na you dey talk like this? My take on this thread is that it has opened the eyes of many motorists that these so called synthetic oils except for Oando are not good for our engines. Since Total does not have good lubricants for Peugeot engines, then start buying the Oando Oleum Syn in [b][/b]drums . It has the C3 qualities. 2 Likes |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 4:20pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
Helpishere, thanks for making them lift the ban and restoring my post. Maybe the Ethiopian chat don finish. Like you rightly pointed out, Total does not have the right oil for even Peugeot cars that people are made to believe it is only Total oil or no oil.That said, we need to end the impunity in the industry. I spoke to the Forte lube Manager to withdraw Super Visco Static which is an API SG and which is obsolete or put a caveat on the gallon that this oil is not suitable for modern engines. He said it is not possible. That there are many older vehicles still in circulation and they use the oil but API states that the current oil can work perfectly with an older engine, so why produce SG and SL and sell both without telling us which vehicle will use the oil. 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by anneki(m): 10:30am On Dec 18, 2016 |
@sooperrescue Have you researched on what differentiates API SN oils from API SG oils in chemical terms ? Pay particular attention to Zinc and Phosphorus. You need to do this so that you do not waste time asking for the impossible from people whose hands are tied. 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 12:16am On Dec 19, 2016 |
http://www.api.org/certification-programs/engine-oil-diesel-exhaust-fluid/~/media/files/certification/engine-oil-diesel/publications/mom_guide_english_2013.pdf You need to do this so that you do not waste time asking for the impossible from people whose hands are tied. I have been laughing all day and it was amusing to be laughing. Thanks. If his hands are tied, he should resign and be loosed from his conscience. Selling Super Visco Static which is SG and obsolete and Super Visco 2000 which is an SL which is still current baffles me. Why cant Forte oil withdraw the SG to save the motorists the anguish of failed engines. In their greedy mind, they believe that they are making car maintenance affordable by offering oils classified as obsolete to our teeming motorists. I have not done any research on any oil and so wont be able to tell but from constant usage and reading about the oil trends, if you say your product is API SG and API says that oil is obsolete, there is no need to sell the oil. If Forte is still selling SG oil, then we should be mindful of the Visco 2000 which they claim is SL. If they can proudly sell API SG in 2016, then they can as well falsify the SL on Visco 2000. I went to Lanre Badmus in 2006 to ask about their Holts ATF. Their works director told me that I should take the oil as Dexron 2. Nothing to back it up. I went in pursuit of all the white can atf packagers and they were evasive. I went to Coscharis in the same 2006 asking why they should be bringing Abro Type A. They took me to their warehouse and claimed that itwas the popular demand for Abro that makes them import the fluid. It was the period they were also importing and selling the famous Jaguar used bikes (Okada). Now you see Abro with Dexron/Mercon sticker on the can. For me I believe it is the same fluid that is type A but the label has been changed. So it is with Super Visco 2000. If Forte oil can sell Super Static which according to API, is obsolete, and they sell Forte 10000 synth which is suitable for BMW LL01 which is API SJ while claiming to be SN and with OEM approval for General motors Diesel cars and not approved for GM gasoline cars, then their famous Visco 2000 which is API SL, that has destroyed many Honda transmissions is fake. It is not an SL. IF they can claim that their Visco 2000 is SL, let them tell us why are they selling synthetic oil that caters for only diesel brands of GM and not the Gasoline cars and why are they still selling an API classified obsolete oil? We want to know why, so that the Lub Manager for forte oil should be set free...... |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 3:38am On Dec 21, 2016 |
I have been receiving phone calls from Nigerian Motorists concerning the choice of engine oils solutions for their cars. It seems a lot of motorists are hurting over the noises emanating from their engines due to their use of the local oils. I dont have any oil that I can recommend right now except if Oando reverts to selling their synthetic oil in drums, or if Total introduces their latest oils sold in other markets to our motorists in the country. As for Forte oil, it is not advisable until they explain to us their oem approvals, their reason for selling obsolete oils. It is not only Forte that does that, Oando, Conoil, Total does the same too. I believe that if these oil packagers are selling API classified obsolete oils, then their so called current SN should be investigated. I was at the Olowu market in Ikeja today and all we see on the shelves of the shops are obsolete oils which mechanics and motorists buy with the belief that it must be good. In this Buhari recession, companies are selling obsolete oils to Nigerians and the Government is doing nothing about it. We shall soon focus on Mobil 1, the 0w40 and the 5w30 and see what they have to offer. But in the meantime, check the labels on the gallon of the oil that you want to put in your engine and read what they are claiming. In the medical parlance, you wont buy drugs meant for typhoid and treat your pneumonia symptoms. It is the same that we are facing right now in the automobile industry. Read well before use. Merry Christmas to all and have a safe trip this week. If you have a breakdown on the road, dont destroy your car the more by using adulterated oils on the road. Service your car with good quality oils and ensure that your tyres are temperature A rated and that you dont have any S rated tyre on your car. Please check before travelling.......... 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by connkg(m): 8:19pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
@sooperrescue, anneki Please say something about this "new" brand, Pertamina Fastron Gold 5W30. It hit the market and I cannot recall what spec was on the (mostly green) label. |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 9:47pm On Dec 21, 2016 |
The oil is having the same characteristics like Oando Syn but we dont know if it is genuine. You cant have three ACEA certifications on one particular oil. PERFORMANCE LEVEL FASTRON GOLD SAE 5W-30 has an International quality level of API SN/CF, ACEA C3-08, A3/B3-08, A3/B4-08, Mercedes Benz Sheet 229.51, BMW Long Life 04, VW 502 00/505 00, and Porsche. . Where do we classify the oil? |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by connkg(m): 2:59pm On Dec 22, 2016 |
I tracked it down...
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Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 8:18pm On Dec 22, 2016 |
The one on the picture is Api sm which is also Ilsac 4 which according to Ilsac is no longer current. The one that I posted was an Sn but with 3 different Acea certifications and which is not ilsac 5. If your car is less that 2008 MY, and it is not those that requires serious oils, then go for it. But the question is, which car are you going to put the oil in? 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by medacares: 8:25pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
sooperrescue: Pls I need this info urgently. Pls. What is the best engine oil to use for my Toyota Camry 2008. 5w20 Pls help me with the brand and where I can get the oil in Abuja. |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 8:33pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
Get in touch with autotrader 2. He sells Toyota engine oils |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by medacares: 8:43pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
sooperrescue: Pls I don't know who auto trader is Is there a link to how I can location him. Or a hint ? |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 9:30pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
Nairaland.com/autotrader2posts on google |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by medacares: 3:10am On Dec 24, 2016 |
sooperrescue: Thanks and God bless. 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by autotrader2: 8:05am On Dec 24, 2016 |
medacares: Autotrader2 here . You can reach me at 09086679585. |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by helpishere(m): 1:50am On Dec 26, 2016 |
Sooperrescue, Can you tell us why we should boycott Nigerian oil labels? And help Lion king to source for better oil for his lions in the Zoo. I have not seen any young man buying Peugeot cars brand new. Either he was given by Government or by someone who want to punish him by giving him the Peugeot car government gave that donor. Which oil is good? Oando Synthetic in drums? How do you know that the Oleum Syn quality in gallons are breached? |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by visionforit(m): 3:09pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
Nice and informative, please keep it up |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by lipman1122: 6:39pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
No time to write stories in comment today. Just to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in advance. Ojasweb Digital Solution wishes you all a joyous celebration. 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by symbianDON(m): 9:39am On Dec 27, 2016 |
this thread is super informative; thanks superrescue! I have always used quartz 9000 but I'm switching to mobil 1 right away. it's really worrisome that we have a standards organization that does absolutely nothing! why are motorists been shortchanged if not for the uselessness of SON? thank God people are getting more enlightened by the day. 3 Likes |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 4:27am On Dec 28, 2016 |
SON are doing their best according to one of their top guns. It used to be worse than this. They told me to try and visit Oil Marketers blending plants and you will begin to sing the lamentation of Sodom. He claimed that the SON sticker on the gallons are just signs that they registered the oil and not that the certification was approved. They do not even have a laboratory to conduct such tests and so the beat goes on. The local oil labels know what they are doing and it is a shame that it is Nigerians that are in charge and doing this abominable acts against the country. But when you see the other actions, like adjusting the meters in the evenings and paying their fuel attendants 10,000 a month as salary, then it is an all round cheating arrangement. There used to be a time when Q7000 label was being swapped on a Q5000 Total gallon until we caught them. I once bought 95 litres in my Range Sport at a Forte oil Station at the Local Airport and when I shouted, they quickly begged me to pay what I have and I paid N5000. 95 litres in a Range that takes 80 litres and I came down and saw that the meter was zero when they started dispensing and I was waiting for the automatic to cut off and it never did. On many occasions in TOTAL at Toyin in Ikeja, they doctor the meter in the evening and restore it by 10 am the next day. I have warned them on these occasions to stop it and I think every motorist should be vigilant and don't allow these cheats to ruin our mobile investment. They cheat on the fuel that is being dispensed and cheat on the oil quality that they sell. They make claims that are not and make motorists lose their time and money over their activities. These are economic crimes against Nigerians and I call on the CPC who are viewing this topic to act now. After the Mobil 1 claims verification, we shall look at the foreign oils being dumped into the country. I saw one 5w30 Yesterday which was an SN but it was written that it is only suitable for smaller engines, like Kia Rio and it is selling well and the mechanics and motorists are not reading the label where it is stated that it is only suitable for smaller engines, 1.4 litre to 1.8 litre engines. Read the label on the gallon of oil that your mechanic is putting in your car. Most Motorists even buy these cheap oils and claim that that is what their money can afford. It is enough. Good conventional oils last for 3 months and anything above that, it turns to gel. Oando SM last for two months and anything above that, na you know. Happy New Year in advance. |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 9:38pm On Dec 29, 2016 |
Mobil special 20w50 made in Nigeria is Api SF. Obsolete. Beware.
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Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by nickxtra(m): 3:24pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
sooperrescue:What of 5W-40? |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 9:44pm On Dec 30, 2016 |
That is a good question. I have not seen any car manufacturer that recommends 5 w 40 for their cars. 5 w40 is majorly for those oil companies to make oils that can protect the engine above 50 degrees but when you have a 5w 30 that can exceed 50 degrees, or 5 w 20 that can exceed 50 degrees, you have gotten a better oil. The oil primary task is to lubricate the engine and take away the heat from the engine and keep it cool. It is assisted by oil coolant which is attached to the oil filter to keep the engine temperature down. But when the 5w40 cannot protect the engine, eliminate sludge and keep it cool, then you should be wary of the oil. Honda cars require 0w20 nowadays and motorists don't bother to use the grade of oil. That oil grade must be of high quality. |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by helpishere(m): 11:54pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Sooperrescue, what about the Mobil update |
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