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| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 9:21am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: Romans catholics are considered pagans by you people?  Do I see Paranoia taking place? YOU SEE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ANSWER AND I KNOW YOU NEVER READ MY COMMENTS I SAY "THERE IS NO BIBLICAL COMMAND TO CELEBRATE OR NOT CELEBRATE" Oh I read all your comments and I want you to continue to emphasize those your comments that I have bolded.... |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:19am On Jan 04, 2017 |
@brocab @johnw74 @Septre @IlesanmiG @Hairyrapunzel to TO ALL RIGHTEOUS ONES, UNRIGHTEOUS ONES, HEAVEN-BOUND, HELL BOUND, APOSTATES, ANTICHRISTS, EXCOMMUNICATED, RESENTFUL-ONES, SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIANS, PENTECOSTAL THEOLOGIANS, RESEARCHERS, JWs, MFMs, COWARDS, COURAGEOUS and everybody on NAIRALAND Can you all make sense of the link sent to me by a Nairalander... 1. As a general event Christmas is driven by commercialism 2. There is the question of why Christmas is nowhere mentioned in the Bible 3. Some observe that Jesus wasn’t born on or near December 25 4. For many orthodox schools-of-thought the Christmas holiday is largely a recycled pagan celebration 5. Many believers in Christianity and Islam and Judaism says God condemns using pagan customs to worship Him (Deuteronomy 12:30-32, 2 Corinthians 6) 6. Many people are saying that Christmas is worshiping God in vain ((Mark 7:6-9) 7. You can’t put Christ back into something He was never in 8. The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to commemorate His death. 9. Christmas obscures God’s plan for mankind. a) Passover, has enormous significance in God’s plan for humanity. The Old Testament Passover, described in Exodus 12, was symbolic of Jesus Christ’s future role and sacrifice. Paul alluded to this great truth when he wrote in 1 Corinthians 5:7 that “Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.” Similarly John the Baptist, speaking under divine inspiration, said of Jesus, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29). b) Peter wrote that we are redeemed “with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot” (1 Peter 1:19)—a clear reference to the Passover lambs (Exodus 12:5). c) A central key to God’s plan for humanity is Jesus Christ’s sacrificial death on our behalf. He is “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” - Revelation 13: 8 —meaning His death for our sins was planned before the first human beings were ever created (1 Peter 1:18-20). Only through His death to pay the penalty for our sins can human beings receive God’s gift of eternal life (John 3:14-17; Acts 4:12; 1 Corinthians 15:20-22). Christmas, in contrast, teaches us none of this. Regrettably, because it is a hodgepodge of unbiblical customs and beliefs thrown together with a few elements of biblical truth, it only obscures the incredible purpose of Jesus Christ’s coming—as well as why He must return to earth a second time! For more details, request our free booklets Jesus Christ: The Real Story and The Gospel of the Kingdom from +234 8033233193 OR +234 8067516866 10. Would you not rather celebrate the Holy Days Jesus Christ and the apostles observed? |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:31am On Jan 04, 2017 |
themall: If pagan ceremonies & customs are mixed in with Christian ceremonies & customs I think they are unacceptable and detestable. They are unclean things and not even to be touched. (2 Cor. 6:17) Is Jesus christ the idol? Or the celebration of Jesus birth? And in the celebration what is the idol they worship? So what is the unclean thing on christmas day? Is it the birth, Jesus christ, celebration, the date? So which idol is worshipped only on christmas day? What is the christian ceremony and custom and what is the pagan ceremony and custom? At least you have agreed that Christmas and easter have both pagan and christian ceremonies and customs Christians should not do wedding anniversary because it is has pagan customs and origins also. 1 Corinthians 8:4-13, Paul clarifies the teaching on this subject. First, he says that eating meat offered to an idol is not immoral, because “an idol is nothing at all.” An idol is an inanimate object. “Food,” he says, “does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.” The meat itself is amoral. However, there is more to consider, namely the brother with a weak conscience. Some believers, especially those with a background of idol worship, were still very sensitive concerning this issue and considered it morally wrong to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Under no circumstances, Paul says, should a believer encourage another believer to violate his conscience. To the pure, all things are pure (Titus 1:15), but to one with a weak conscience, meat taken from pagan temples was spiritually defiled. It would be better never to eat meat again than to cause a believer to sin against his conscience. The “weaker” brother is not someone who simply objects to a certain practice, but one who is in danger of falling into sin. To illustrate, let’s say there are two 1st-century Christians named Demetrius and Clement. Both are former idolaters, now saved by faith in Christ. Demetrius shuns everything to do with his old way of life, including the meat sold in the marketplace, because, for him, eating such meat would constitute a return to paganism. Clement avoids the temple and refuses to participate in the pagan festivals, but he has no problem eating the meat from the market. Clement understands (correctly) that an idol has no power to corrupt good meat, and, for him, eating such meat is a non-issue. Then one day, as both men are in the marketplace, Demetrius sees Clement eating meat that was sacrificed to idols. Demetrius is horrified, but Clement laughs it off and encourages Demetrius to eat some, too. When Demetrius hesitates, Clement cuts off a piece and hands it to him. Demetrius—emboldened by Clement’s confidence—eats the meat. Biblically, both believers have sinned. Clement sinned by violating the conscience of a fellow believer. Demetrius sinned in that he essentially returned to idolatry—at least, that’s what his conscience is telling him. More importantly, Demetrius is learning how to ignore his conscience—a very dangerous thing to learn. 1 Corinthians 10:25-32, Paul emphasizes the believer’s liberty and what should limit that liberty. If you buy meat for your own use, don’t inquire where it came from; it doesn’t really matter whether it was sacrificed to an idol or not. “The earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it” (Psalm 24:1). However, if you are invited to dinner and someone there says, “This meat was offered to idols,” then graciously refrain from eating. Since your associate obviously considers the meat to be “tainted” by the idols, do not eat it for his conscience’s sake—even though your own conscience is fine. The Christian glorifies God when he limits his freedom for the spiritual benefit of others. [/b]In the worship of God: "Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips." - Exodus 23:13, NIVSB How are Christians invoking the names of other gods. IS JESUS CHRIST NOW AN IDOL? b]Holidays, for example, are "Holy Days" and are a part of "worship", by their very name. WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THIS. OK SINCE SATURDAY IS NAMED AFTER THE god SATURN OR JANUARY IS NAMED AFTER A god JANUS WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM IN OUR DAYS OF THE WEEK OR MONTHS OF THE YEAR. Since names now defines what and what not to partake in. Since holidays are no longer viewed as holy days. While we today have no practical option but to use things like the Gregorian calendar. Holidays are observed in all parts of the world. Example summer or third term holidays how has it become part of worship abi it is now a holy day for you so we should not observe holidays again we should go to school and work all year round just because holiday is coined from holy day abi? While we today have no practical option but to use things like the Gregorian calendar (which uses the names of pagan Roman gods), we do have a choice whether or not to participate in customs which were originally devoted to honoring these gods. And according to Scripture, we should take advantage of that choice STOP GIVING EXCUSES FOR IDENTIFYING WITH THINGS OF PAGAN ORIGIN. IS GOD A TWO WAY GOD? IS EITHER IT IS A DO OR NOT DO. While we today have no practical option but to use things like the Gregorian calendar (which uses the names of pagan Roman gods), we do have a choice whether or not to participate in customs which were originally devoted to honoring these gods. And according to Scripture, we should take advantage of that choice. PLEASE HOW IS CELEBRATING JESUS BIRTH NOW HONORING pagan gods or idols. Please which idol are we honoring is it JESUS CHRIST? |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:47am On Jan 04, 2017 |
themall: So at least you agree people in the bible even angels worshipped Jesus even God commanded angels to worship Jesus Christ We will worship Jesus Christ even Olukoya that says Christmas is demonic worships Jesus Christ. Are you sure Jesus Christ is your mediator? You are going against your teachings too o. Is he not the mediator for only the anointed class? Are you of the anointed? I WILL WORSHIP JESUS SINCE HUMANS AND ANGELS WORSHIPPED HIM. GOD EVEN OKAYED THE WORSHIP. I WILL WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST EVERYDAY |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 11:40am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: This is the ultimate comedy high point: "in the bible even angels worshipped Jesus even God commanded angels to worship Jesus Christ" Stay in that dark room by choice.Is he not the mediator for only the anointed class? Are you of the anointed? Will you not be angry if I am one of that?  Something is telling me that you are a resentful excom/disfellowshipped member of JW OR bystander or dejected member please which one. Why are you angry with this mediator for only the anointed class?  |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 11:53am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: That's why your group is not making any spiritual progress, maybe only political conversions of bread seekers. You should make it plain from the very beginning that, rather than worship the Almighty God, you are only bent on Christ worship and later angel worship and maybe soon Daddy G.O? You will worship Jesus and not God because Humans and Angels worshiped him, ALL BECAUSE OF RESENTMENT?! CHAI, CHAI, CHAI AS CHRISTIANS DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT HAS BEEN RECORDED. |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by brocab: 12:42pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
The birth of Jesus is enough for me, Christmas is a sign of given-birthday' Easter, and other given Holidays-which ever, it really doesn't matter. Giving is about Love-it doesn't matter what day's you would like to celebrate, the point is, you are celebrating for a purpose-it is either for Jesus-or it's either for someone you love. That's the spirit of giving. God is love-can anybody disagree with God-when ever, you are with your love ones-He is there. themall: |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 1:15pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
themall: I will worship God Almighty and I will worship Jesus for Jesus Christ is God. I can't be brainwashed. Imagine if all christian were like you there will be no happiness christians will live in fear of the unknown. I can't be like you I won't wish for God to kill 99.99% of humans he created. Nobody worships a mere human. We worship Jesus Christ whether you like it or not as it is written in the bible if God okays worship of Jesus Christ who are you to say he is not to be worshipped. I have the heavenly hope for I believe in Jesus Christ and know that I am saved. For the grace of the Lord is upon me so why should I fear 2 Corinthians 12:8-9 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon Hebrews 4:16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. Acts 4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people. Acts 11:22-24 The report of this came to the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch. When he came and saw the grace of God, he was glad, and he exhorted them all to remain faithful to the Lord with steadfast purpose, for he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord. Acts 14:1-3 Now at Iconium they entered together into the Jewish synagogue and spoke in such a way that a great number of both Jews and Greeks believed. But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers. So they remained for a long time, speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their Romans 3:20-24 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it — the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus Romans 4:15-17 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression. That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”— in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:12-21 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Ephesians 2:4-9 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast Grace means to get something that you do not deserve; unmerited and unearned favor. Mercy means you do not get a punishment that you deserve; compassion, forbearance. God is abundant in grace and mercy. I don't know the kind of God you worship. God is love and there is no fear in Love. I will celebrate Christmas easter and birthdays. |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 1:20pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
brocab:The LIFE of Jesus is enough for me, and Christmas to me is NOT a sign of any God-given birthday. If any one says Easter (and other given Holidays) really doesn't matter, that will not be new in today's Christianity of do-it-the-way-that-suites-you. Although giving is about Love, what matters most is NOT what days you would like to celebrate, but OBEDIENCE to how Jesus will wish to be celebrated. The point is, it is best to celebrate for a purpose-based only on how one is commanded. It is either one respects Jesus that we love by obeying him or ignore him and create a custom that he did not command. That's the spirit of submission and obedience. And yes God is love (can anybody disagree with God).....and whenever you place sacrifice ABOVE obedience then you are no more with your loved ones-and HE is no more there! |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 1:28pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
themall: Remain brainwashed Y should I be angry that you are in the anointed class wetin concern me. I have never and I will never be a jw. I dont believe that God will Kill 99.99% of humans in the world only psychopaths will believe this. The way you even talk is not a way a christian should talk. You cant guilttrip me to accepting your beliefs please find another means. So you have now agreed that you are a jw lol. And do you know your own religion once preached that Jesus Christ should be worshipped? |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 1:55pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
themall: Stop the guilt trip it doesn't change the fact that God is love. In what context what was obedience is better than sacrifice used? Don't take bible passages outside the context in which it is used. I Sam 15vs 22 is talking about something else and 1 John 4 vs 8 is talking about some thing else. In fact 1 John 4 talks about testing the spirits you don't obey anything blindly beware of false phophets. Before you quote a verse please read what the chapter is about. |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 2:22pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: Hahahahaha. This means we that we may be related "I dont believe that God will Kill 99.99% of humans in the world only psychopaths will believe this" REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH.REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH.REMEMBER NOAH REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH. REMEMBER NOAH But then again when one has become paranoid and sees psychopaths........ |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 2:30pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:Before you quote a verse please read what the chapter is about Hahahahahahahaahha. Why this hypocritical merry-go-round? So you also preach context. surprised. surprised. Something tells me YOU are actually a JW. You sound like one...but angry. FYI, Mr. Context, any day, any time, OBEDIENCE is Better than SACRIFICE in Christianity. Call +234 8033233193 OR +234 8067516866 |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 2:42pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
themall: Stop the quilt trip it doesn't work. I should remember noah lol When God promised never to destroy the whole earth with flood hmmm. So God will destroy the earth with flood according to your watchtower I see. Interesting so your religion is join me or you will die in the flood. Lol. So that is the good news jws preach about. So the good news Jesus was talking about in the bible was that you either join jw or die from drowning in the flood? Your jehovah is awesome. So what is now the difference between your religion and ISIS? Lol. If you are happy to see 99.99% of the world die then I think you have antisocial disorder. Continue thinking that God will flood the whole world to make you happy. Lol Gen 9 vs 9-17 9 And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants[b] after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. 11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.” 12 And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. 14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; 15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” 17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.” |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Polymat9(m): 3:33pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Did u ask ur self anywhere it was written in the bible that we should make our Sabbath on Sunday? Na Xmas una go shout about. Alariwo2: |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 3:36pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
themall:So I should now obey what is not written in the bible abi? Because it is written by your watchtower right? Lol. How will I obey a magazine instead of the bible. Lol Read the whole chapter before using its Verse it will really help and understand what the verse is saying See you on easter day. |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 11:18pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: God will destroy the earth with flood according to your watchtower I see An apostate while in that state is truly NOT mentally alright. In any discussion, always creating off-topics and phantom questions. Now your former watchtower has now said God will destroy the earth with flood!! |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 9:07am On Jan 05, 2017 |
themall: You are the apostate you are the antichrist. You are saying noah obeyed and he and his family were not destroyed abi? In other words So I should obey your magazine or die in the flood abi? I should obey what was never written in the bible abi? You still haven't answered my question DID JESUS CHRIST SAY WE SHOULD REMEMBER HIM OR JUST HIS DEATH? DID HE SAY WE SHOULD REMEMBER HIM YEARLY? DID HE SAY WE SHOULD PARTAKE OR SEE THE BREAD AND WINE PASS US? DO CHRISTIANS CELEBRATE HOLY THURSDAY AND GOOD FRIDAY? |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 9:18am On Jan 05, 2017 |
themall: You are the mental person here how will you say if people don't obey what your religion formulated they will die. Hmm interesting. That is the message you are passing Or did they tell you that people that don't agree to your religious formulations will not be saved like noah and his family? Interesting. So your society is now God abi |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:06am On Jan 05, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:You still haven't answered my question Finally! |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:09am On Jan 05, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:Read the whole chapter before using its Verse it will really help and understand what the verse is saying I'm right about you every step of the way and you keep proving it. Predictable |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:53am On Jan 05, 2017 |
themall: You never asked any question about anything you don't even have an answer to the ones you said Jesus said you should observe Be hiding your deficiencies DID JESUS SAY WE SHOULD REMEMBER HIM OR JUST HIS DEATH ? DID HE TELL US TO REMEMBER HIM YEARLY ? DID HE TELL US TO PARTAKE OR WATCH THE BREAD AND WINE PASS OVER US? DO CHRISTIANS HAVE HOLY THURSDAY AND GOOD FRIDAY? ANSWER OOOOOOOO |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 11:02am On Jan 05, 2017 |
themall: What I told you to do and you didn’t agree with me on reading the whole chapter before understanding what the verse says wow we agree on the same thing now that's a good step So y are you saying I should remember noah? Abi there is another noah and the flood story? Lol |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by brocab: 11:11am On Jan 05, 2017 |
Christmas to you may not be a sign of anything? But this doesn't count the fact Christmas means something to a little Child. or a meal for someone in need. Jesus said, I was hungry and you gave Me food. Jesus ate on the Sabbath day, A day the Pharisees said it was forbidden. "A day" the JW's claim it is forbidden to celebrate the birth of Christ. Christmas day can bring happiness, or sadness, birthday's are celebrated because people see it as a new beginning. most people such as myself see it as ageing. People celebrate special day's for all sorts of reasons-a new child is born or the birth of Christ-or the day Santa arrives. Christ died-or the Easter bunny, for what ever reason people always find ways to celebrate-and what better way, is there without giving with love. Jesus was never against celebrations, He didn't give times and dates why we can't celebrate, matter of fact He Himself was at a celebration at the wedding making new wine, or at His last supper. Celebrations is never about hypocrites-its about people gathering together loving each other obeying the truth. First commandment is-Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength and with all your mind And the Second commandment is like this-love your neighbour as yourself-and what better way is to celebrate around those you love. Without having hypocrites "who do none, of the above. themall: |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 11:19am On Jan 05, 2017 |
themall: Worship is NOT solely about knowing Him, communing with Him, serving Him, and trusting in Him. It is about our faith in him as the CREATOR of everything in heavens and on earth. It is about TOTAL SUBMISSION to do the ALMIGHTY's will, acknowledging our SAVIOR Jesus Christ as the mediator. Worship the creator NOT creation! John1 vs1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it How will I worship Jesus Christ and not worship God. Worshipping Jesus Christ is worshipping God Jesus never ENCOURAGED those worshiping Him to CONTINUE, NEITHER did he encourage the to worship angels as you have rightly quoted (as I see it above Revelation 19:9–10). Yes he taught them that, he (JESUS), was their lord and master and that he is one with his heavenly father. He encouraged them to worship his FATHERSo Jesus has to encourage you to do something before you do it right? He never said worshipping him was bad and He never told anybody to stop worshipping Him so this means worship to Jesus Christ is wrong right? If worship to Jesus was wrong then y will people and angels worship him and God not pour His wrath on them? Exodus 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me. Deuteronomy 5:7 'You shall have no other gods before Me. 2 Kings 17:35-36 with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, "You shall not fear other gods, nor bow down yourselves to them nor serve them nor sacrifice to them. "But the LORD, who brought you up from the land of Egypt with great power and with an outstretched arm, Him you shall fear, and to Him you shall bow yourselves down, and to Him you shall sacrifice. Exodus 34:14 For you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God-- Deuteronomy 6:13-14 "You shall fear only the LORD your God; and you shall worship Him and swear by His name. "You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you 1 chronicles 16: 25 For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; He also is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 48:1 Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised, In the city of our God, His holy mountain. Psalm 96:4-5 For great is the LORD and greatly to be praised; He is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the peoples are idols, But the LORD made the heavens. Psalm 145:3 Great is the LORD, and highly to be praised, And His greatness is unsearchable. 2 Samuel 22:4 I call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised, And I am saved from my enemies. THERE WAS ALWAYS PUNISHMENT FOR PEOPLE WHO WORSHIPPED OTHER gods. John 4vs 23. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. Philippians 2:11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Matthew 2:11 After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Matthew 14:33 And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!" John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Matthew 28:16-17 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. John 9:35-38 Jesus heard that they had put him out, and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" He answered, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you. And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him. Philippians 2:9-11 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Hebrews 1:6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM." Revelation 5:8-14 When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth. SO IF THERE WAS PUNISHMENT FOR PEOPLE WHO WORSHIPPED OTHER gods OTHER THAN GOD ALMIGHTY WHY WOULD PEOPLE WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST AND HAVE NO FEAR FOR BEING PUNISHED? IF GOD GAVE COMMANDS WHY WOULD PEOPLE DISCARD THE COMMAND AND WORSHIP JESUS? IS IT THAT THEY WERE DARING GOD? Worshiping is the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity it involves reverence, revering, worshipping, veneration, venerating, adoration, adoring, devotion, praise, thanksgiving, praising, praying to, glorification, glorifying, glory, exaltation, exalting, extolment, extolling, homage, respect, honour, honouring, esteem etc Going to church everyday, or every sunday or celebrating christmas easter good friday holy thursday etc is not worship. Worship is not about ceremonies, it is worshipping God in spirit and in truth, with the coming of Christ, all of God’s children gained equal access to God through Him. Worship became a matter of the heart, not external actions, and directed by truth rather than ceremony. Worship of God is not to be confined to a single geographical location or necessarily regulated by the temporary provisions of Old Testament law. With the coming of Christ, the separation between Jew and Gentile was no longer relevant, nor was the centrality of the temple in worship. Worship does not happen only inside the church. It is not tied or in connection with any event the church observes, it’s an internal, individual action, it could/should be done most of the time (or all the time) in our lives, regardless of place or situation Worship is defined by the priority we place on who God is in our lives and where God is on our list of priorities. Worship is a matter of the heart expressed through a lifestyle of holiness. Since external actions are unimportant in Christian worship, there is no rule regarding whether we should sit, stand, fall down, be quiet, or sing praises loudly while in corporate worship. These things should be decided based on the nature of the congregation. The most important thing is that we worship God in spirit (in our hearts) and in truth (in our minds.). CHRISTIANS DO NOT CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS OR EASTER AS PART OF WORSHIP. IF PEOPLE WORSHIPPED JESUS AND THERE WAS NO PUNISHMENT THEN I WILL WORSHIP HIM TOO BECAUSE IT IS NOT A BAD THING TO DO. |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 9:33am On Jan 06, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: It's a democracy, but above all, Jesus is encouraging and commanding you to worship his father. Listen to Jesus. Do not allow your rhetoric to be superior to his commands! |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:24am On Jan 06, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: CONTEXT 1 The entire chapter is about (A) Jesus, being once lower than the angels, (B) has now become better than the angels having inherited a better name than the angels. Only after he was glorified did God put everything under his feet. This is an obvious reference to his resurrection glory. Our people translate and insists that at HEB 1:6 "worship" simply means "to bow down before. Does " Bowing down to Jesus indicate he is God? Maybe another meaning is that, it indicates he has authority over the angels. There are two sides to a coin whenever it comes to this types of understanding. There are many examples of men bowing down before higher authorities. CONTEXT 2 The word "first-begotten" refers to the concept that Jesus is the firstborn out of the dead. This is verified by the context which is about Jesus' resurrection, by the preceding verse which parallels the concept conveyed at Acts 13:30-33 and by Hebrews chapter 5 which again conveys the same idea. Many authorities (including those I also respect) translate "world" to simply mean "community of residents." The community in view is God and all his angels in heaven. The verse is obviously intended to mean "when He brings his firstborn out of the dead into the community of heaven, let all God's angels worship him." MY POINT I see some type of dishonesty especially, with the "physical" believer of the Trinitarian conceptare. It is quite plain that this chapter is referring to Jesus' resurrection glory and ascension to the right hand of the throne of God. Having become better than the angels in this way, and having inherited a better name than them in his resurrection, they must bow down before him, since they are now subject to him, as he - who was once lower than the angels - is now a higher authority. He sits on the throne of God and this is the reason the angels are to now bow down before him. Our Savior, has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him. (1 Peter 3:22) TWO KEY ISSUES There are two key issues with the Trinitarian interpretation of the passage @ Heb 1:6. First, this verse refers to bowing down proskyneo before Jesus. Second, Trinitarians interpret the Greek word oikoumene as referring to this geographical world. This ultimately results in an extremely misguided misinterpretation which claims that Jesus of Nazareth, before he was crucified (or impaled or nailed) was worshiped by the angels. Think about it |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:34am On Jan 06, 2017 |
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| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:40am On Jan 06, 2017 |
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| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:47am On Jan 06, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel: HOLY THURSDAY AND GOOD FRIDAY Oh, Oh. Something has gone wrong here. Are you sure........  ? leme be watching first! |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by brocab: 11:48pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
Well advanced "ARE" your way's of thinking "NOT" [quote author=themall post=52577656][/quote] |
| Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 8:56am On Jan 07, 2017 |
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