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Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 7:49pm On Dec 25, 2016
happney65:


Yes..It is..Religion is a scam my broda but people no dey hear word..Am happy I saw the light and am Happy for it..Very Very Happy..

Lol if you are truly happy then you won't keep hovering around a religious forum and create their criticizing, truly happy people don't criticize, keep deceiving yourself
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 7:52pm On Dec 25, 2016
Emmyemmy1:
why is it that naira land or who ever comes with christian days or programs has a way of critisizing openly.......but other religions don't get such treat...why ?? have bn following Sundays and other Christian days...and events..they make topics here..why I mean sometimes I feel naira land is against Christianity.... I just can't imagine why some issues Cnt be kept the way it is ..or published in in church tabloids... or somewhere else ...this topic is over flogged and not new... why the cheap popularity or traffic seeking posts

The Muslims have a safe haven where no one is allowed to criticize them but the owner allows atheists unleash their hate against Christianity. It's unfair but such is life
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 7:54pm On Dec 25, 2016
AlphaStyles:
that's why they call us African monkeys we don't think and do things by our self's. we allow the west to do it for us allowing us to look stupid and dumb. the west says we are Monkeys evolved monkeys we believe. the West says we have goat brains we believe. Can't u use ur brain to think for 1nce? must u be a slave to the West?

I wonder why African's nowadays don't use their brains anymore.

And atheism is an African thing, right?
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Omonigeriarere: 7:56pm On Dec 25, 2016
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Addicted2Women:

Religion is a scam

Jesus Christ doesn't exist

Hell fire which they claim have been flaming for 4000 years now doesn't exist, what type of fire dey flame for 4000 without stopping ?? Gas or firewood ??

The people in hell fire don burn for 4000 years, dem never turn to ashes ??
What happened to the people who were born before jesus Christ ?? Them no go heaven, them no go to hell fire, they just turned to a bird and flew away ??

God created the first human which were Adam and Eve and they gave birth to Cain and Abel, Cain and Abel married and had children, who the fucck did they marry ?? Their mother ??

Jesus was born through immaculate conception

The holy spirit just made a woman become pregnant

His pictures can't be found, his birth record can't be found

Oh, the picture they show you claiming he's Jesus was taken 4000 years ago with an iPhone 7

He walked on water, feed 5 thousand people with 5 loaves of bread but couldn't handle three nails on the cross

Can you just go tell this lie to primary school kids
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Have you asked yourself the reason why both Bible and Quran testify to the fact that Jesus was conceived without sexual intimacy despite their differences? Have you asked yourself the reason why Jesus was the only being that was accorded such glory throughout the bible and Quran?


Even Quran didn't give Mohammed the same status: get your fact right.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 8:00pm On Dec 25, 2016
fiponmile:


Hmmmm.


What a BIG FOOLISHNESS.......

Mr Wisdom why can't you mind your business or is your life empty without minding other people's affairs?
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by happney65: 8:31pm On Dec 25, 2016
Pidgin2:


Lol if you are truly happy then you won't keep hovering around a religious forum and create their criticizing, truly happy people don't criticize, keep deceiving yourself

OK
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by chigaemezuogu: 8:35pm On Dec 25, 2016
The 25th of every December is a day set aside to worship the sun god by Roman empires until emperor constantine the great favoured christians and christians said instead of worshiping the sun god let us use the same date every yr to celeberate the birth of christ, xmass is nowhere to be found in the bible
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by elblanco(m): 8:39pm On Dec 25, 2016
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Religion is a scam

Jesus Christ doesn't exist

Hell fire which they claim have been flaming for 4000 years now doesn't exist, what type of fire dey flame for 4000 without stopping ?? Gas or firewood ??

The people in hell fire don burn for 4000 years, dem never turn to ashes ??
What happened to the people who were born before jesus Christ ?? Them no go heaven, them no go to hell fire, they just turned to a bird and flew away ??

God created the first human which were Adam and Eve and they gave birth to Cain and Abel, Cain and Abel married and had children, who the fucck did they marry ?? Their mother ??

Jesus was born through immaculate conception

The holy spirit just made a woman become pregnant

His pictures can't be found, his birth record can't be found

Oh, the picture they show you claiming he's Jesus was taken 4000 years ago with an iPhone 7

He walked on water, feed 5 thousand people with 5 loaves of bread but couldn't handle three nails on the cross

Can you just go tell this lie to primary school kids



You intellectually and spiritually myopic. Just ask God for forgiveness and pray that he really forgives you. What Blasphemy!!!
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by AlphaStyles(m): 9:01pm On Dec 25, 2016
Pidgin2:


And atheism is an African thing, right?
No its not infact before the west came and sorry to use this words (domesticated) us,we africans believed in a higher power and that power manifests when called upon (Good or Bad)bth due to the influence nw sme nwadays toss those blves aways.so much twitching everywhere nw. they brought Good but nw they are trying to wipe GOD out of existence

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Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 9:05pm On Dec 25, 2016
bitcoininvesto:

I don't need to waith for JW to visit. I don Google am and am now convinced that Jesus wasn't born Dec 25 nor did he do Xmas.
give a biblical reference(s) not goggle reference
tell us where he said you should celebrate him and how to do so
give us biblical references that he counted Jan-Dec
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by maxzzo1(m): 9:31pm On Dec 25, 2016
E no mata....u can celebrate ur BD any day moreover Christians celebrate d significance of birth of Christ... Isa 9:6....luk2:10,14

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Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:53pm On Dec 25, 2016
A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues.” Awake! 2003 Sep 22 pp.23-24

Romans 14:5,6, 10 “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. … But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God…?”

where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.” (2 Cor 3:17)
As Christians we celebrate Christmas to remind each other about the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ. Whether christmas is of pagan origin or not its of no use. Our motive behind the celebration is what is important.

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Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by rabzy: 11:42pm On Dec 25, 2016
Hairyrapunzel:
A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues.” Awake! 2003 Sep 22 pp.23-24

Romans 14:5,6, 10 “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. … But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God…?”

where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.” (2 Cor 3:17)
As Christians we celebrate Christmas to remind each other about the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ. Whether christmas is of pagan origin or not its of no use. Our motive behind the celebration is what is important.

You raised some interesting points. But I don't think having the right motives is enough to just convert a pagan celebration to to a Christian one. The nation of Israel did the same and they perished. When Moses went up the mountain and the Israelites felt he was delaying too much. They decided to worship God the way they felt. They built a calf and did a festival claimed that it was a festival to Jehovah. They decided to worship God the way the Egyptians do their own worship. They didn't say they were honoring any Egyptian God but that they were worshiping Jehovah who led them out of Egypt. God considered killing all of them but Moses pleaded still thousands died. So motives alone is not enough. If in a thousand years xtians are now wearing egungun/masquerade clothes and dancing around town with canes and claiming that they are now using it to honor Christ, many of us xtians who are leaving now will condemn it because we know it is egungun, or pagan masquerade that they are doing and it is totally wrong.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 7:37am On Dec 26, 2016
rabzy:


You raised some interesting points. But I don't think having the right motives is enough to just convert a pagan celebration to to a Christian one. The nation of Israel did the same and they perished. When Moses went up the mountain and the Israelites felt he was delaying too much. They decided to worship God the way they felt. They built a calf and did a festival claimed that it was a festival to Jehovah. They decided to worship God the way the Egyptians do their own worship. They didn't say they were honoring any Egyptian God but that they were worshiping Jehovah who led them out of Egypt. God considered killing all of them but Moses pleaded still thousands died. So motives alone is not enough. If in a thousand years xtians are now wearing egungun/masquerade clothes and dancing around town with canes and claiming that they are now using it to honor Christ, many of us xtians who are leaving now will condemn it because we know it is egungun, or pagan masquerade that they are doing and it is totally wrong.


If you say something or an event is pagan in origin then dont participate in events or do things that have pagan origin. When you pick one and leave others out i call that cherry picking. I dont think God cherry picks

Then for the isrealites i think you got it all wrong

Ex 20 vs 4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Then in Ex 32 it says that moses was still on the mountain and the isrealites made themselves a golden calf and worshiped the calf as their god n said it was that calf that saved them from the egyptians please read the bible well.they were worshiping the calf not God o

Then for the masquerades/egungun if they say they honour Jesus Christ maybe thats how they know how to honour Him. I wont condemn or judge them as far as they honour Him. 1 cor 10 vs 31 - 33
There was never a place in the bible where Jesus discouraged us as his followers from celebrating His birth. Merry Christmas
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 7:56am On Dec 26, 2016
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Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by rabzy: 8:22am On Dec 26, 2016
Hairyrapunzel:



If you say something or an event is pagan in origin then dont participate in events or do things that have pagan origin. When you pick one and leave others out i call that cherry picking. I dont think God cherry picks

Then for the isrealites i think you got it all wrong

Ex 20 vs 4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Then in Ex 32 it says that moses was still on the mountain and the isrealites made themselves a golden calf and worshiped the calf as their god n said it was that calf that saved them from the egyptians please read the bible well.they were worshiping the calf not God o

Then for the masquerades/egungun if they say they honour Jesus Christ maybe thats how they know how to honour Him. I wont condemn or judge them as far as they honour Him. 1 cor 10 vs 31 - 33
There was never a place in the bible where Jesus discouraged us as his followers from celebrating His birth. Merry Christmas

The Israelites clearly were trying to be clever, they knew the calf and such practices were pagan rites and is against the law. But they wanted to clean it up and make it acceptable by calling it a festival to Jehovah. Jesus has already told us how we can honor him, it is by obeying his commandments and doing his father's will and he also told us how we can remember him: by the lord's supper. The apostles and other early xtians honored Jesus but they clearly didn't need a redefined pagan ceremony to do so. The apostles didn't go to the gentiles and told them their pagan worship can be converted to honor Christ, rather they asked them to repent and stop doing them.

Asking people to stop using masquerade to honor Christ is not judging, it is doing your bit as a Christian warning your fellow xtian from doing what is bad or tainting his worship with demonism. What fellowship does light have with darkness. When a police man or even citizens sees a person committing or about to commit an offense, they try to dissuade or stop him. If the matter gets to the court he is judged by the judge. A xtian warns as a watchman because if you don't the blood of the person can be asked from you but God eventually judges the person to life or death.

Jesus cannot talk about Xmas when it didn't exist as a celebration amongst God's people then, but he warned us that we must worship with Spirit and truth not rites, he also said when he leaves Satan will sow weeds amongst the wheats and it would be hard to differentiate the weeds from the wheats. So we have accepted Xmas, new year, egungun and blend it in what then is xtianity. It would become an all comers affair, a broad way that accepts all sorts, that exerts nobody but accepts all and we know where Christ says that leads to.
Shallom.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:30am On Dec 26, 2016
rabzy:


The Israelites clearly were trying to be clever, they knew the calf and such practices were pagan rites and is against the law. But they wanted to clean it up and make it acceptable by calling it a festival to Jehovah. Jesus has already told us how we can honor him, it is by obeying his commandments and doing his father's will and he also told us how we can remember him: by the lord's supper. The apostles and other early xtians honored Jesus but they clearly didn't need a redefined pagan ceremony to do so. The apostles didn't go to the gentiles and told them their pagan worship can be converted to honor Christ, rather they asked them to repent and stop doing them.

Asking people to stop using masquerade to honor Christ is not judging, it is doing your bit as a Christian warning your fellow xtian from doing what is bad or tainting his worship with demonism. What fellowship does light have with darkness. When a police man or even citizens sees a person committing or about to commit an offense, they try to dissuade or stop him. If the matter gets to the court he is judged by the judge. A xtian warns as a watchman because if you don't the blood of the person can be asked from you but God eventually judges the person to life or death.

Jesus cannot talk about Xmas when it didn't exist as a celebration amongst God's people then, but he warned us that we must worship with Spirit and truth not rites, he also said when he leaves Satan will sow weeds amongst the wheats and it would be hard to differentiate the weeds from the wheats. So we have accepted Xmas, new year, egungun and blend it in what then is xtianity. It would become an all comers affair, a broad way that accepts all sorts, that exerts nobody but accepts all and we know where Christ says that leads to.
Shallom.

Was wedding anniversary or baby shower or bridal shower or pinatas mentioned in the bible? But i know you celebrate it andthey all have pagan origin. It is what you make an event to and your motive behind the celebration.
Your explanation is based on fallacies. Do not cherry pick. Dont say you dont celebrate christmas cos of its pagan origin and celebrate the others with pagan origin. Take all or non
And mind you we dont worship christmas day we worship Jesus Christ. Christas is an event that marks a savior was born. Its the savior we worship and not the day.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:32am On Dec 26, 2016
rabzy:


The Israelites clearly were trying to be clever, they knew the calf and such practices were pagan rites and is against the law. But they wanted to clean it up and make it acceptable by calling it a festival to Jehovah. Jesus has already told us how we can honor him, it is by obeying his commandments and doing his father's will and he also told us how we can remember him: by the lord's supper. The apostles and other early xtians honored Jesus but they clearly didn't need a redefined pagan ceremony to do so. The apostles didn't go to the gentiles and told them their pagan worship can be converted to honor Christ, rather they asked them to repent and stop doing them.

Asking people to stop using masquerade to honor Christ is not judging, it is doing your bit as a Christian warning your fellow xtian from doing what is bad or tainting his worship with demonism. What fellowship does light have with darkness. When a police man or even citizens sees a person committing or about to commit an offense, they try to dissuade or stop him. If the matter gets to the court he is judged by the judge. A xtian warns as a watchman because if you don't the blood of the person can be asked from you but God eventually judges the person to life or death.

Jesus cannot talk about Xmas when it didn't exist as a celebration amongst God's people then, but he warned us that we must worship with Spirit and truth not rites, he also said when he leaves Satan will sow weeds amongst the wheats and it would be hard to differentiate the weeds from the wheats. So we have accepted Xmas, new year, egungun and blend it in what then is xtianity. It would become an all comers affair, a broad way that accepts all sorts, that exerts nobody but accepts all and we know where Christ says that leads to.
Shallom.

Was wedding anniversary or baby shower or bridal shower or pinatas mentioned in the bible? But i know you celebrate it andthey all have pagan origin. It is what you make an event to and your motive behind the celebration.
Your explanation is based on fallacies. Do not cherry pick. Dont say you dont celebrate christmas cos of its pagan origin and celebrate the others with pagan origin. Take all or none
And mind you we dont worship christmas day we worship Jesus Christ. Christmas is an event that marks a savior was born. Its the savior we worship and not the day.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by KwoiZabo(m): 10:37am On Dec 26, 2016
Addicted2Women:

Religion is a scam

Jesus Christ doesn't exist

Hell fire which they claim have been flaming for 4000 years now doesn't exist, what type of fire dey flame for 4000 without stopping ?? Gas or firewood ??

The people in hell fire don burn for 4000 years, dem never turn to ashes ??
What happened to the people who were born before jesus Christ ?? Them no go heaven, them no go to hell fire, they just turned to a bird and flew away ??

God created the first human which were Adam and Eve and they gave birth to Cain and Abel, Cain and Abel married and had children, who the fucck did they marry ?? Their mother ??

Jesus was born through immaculate conception

The holy spirit just made a woman become pregnant

His pictures can't be found, his birth record can't be found

Oh, the picture they show you claiming he's Jesus was taken 4000 years ago with an iPhone 7

He walked on water, feed 5 thousand people with 5 loaves of bread but couldn't handle three nails on the cross

Can you just go tell this lie to primary school kids
No wonder you are addicted to women grin . lol don't mind me O. we are together. How can he die for sin his father can just take away. like seriously
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by macof(m): 1:46pm On Dec 26, 2016
chrisxxx:
We are far past the argument of Jesus' birthday. Jesus was born. The date of His birth presently celebrated may not be exact because He was born as nobody. He lived the life of a commoner until His ministry began.
The celebration of Christmas is only a remembrance of the benefits of His birth and existence.
So celebrate with soberness in full consciousness of the essence of His once physical existence on earth.

Luvdmx:
Jesus christ was not born on Christmas day but He's the reason for the season.

Share the love and drink responsibly. Cheers



and why are Christmas traditions identical to the tradition of the European pagans during the season?

Jesus has nothing to do with Christmas. .. let the church tell lies as they wish facts are facts. Christmas is a pagan holiday
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by chrisxxx(m): 2:41pm On Dec 26, 2016
macof:





and why are Christmas traditions identical to the tradition of the European pagans during the season?

Jesus has nothing to do with Christmas. .. let the church tell lies as they wish facts are facts. Christmas is a pagan holiday
What do u remember during Christmas? In case you don't know no other than birth of Christ. Let me help you as well, u have the choice of choosing on which day to celebrate your birthday. Christians choose 25th December to celebrate Christ.
Our big problem is that we have misplaced our priority. We major in the minor and vice versa.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by KingSango(m): 6:02pm On Dec 26, 2016
macof:





and why are Christmas traditions identical to the tradition of the European pagans during the season?

Jesus has nothing to do with Christmas. .. let the church tell lies as they wish facts are facts. Christmas is a pagan holiday

Only Christians founded Christmas, no other religious group celebrate it. Ifa and Vodoun doesnt celebrate Christmas. NO SO-CALLED PAGANS do, only Christians. How can Christians be percieved with integrity if they are too morally coward to check and balance the behaviors of those within the CATHOLIC umbrella of CHISTIANITY? A CHHRISTIAN is a Christian no matter denomination. Christians are sanctioning and blessing gay marriage and unions for sodomites, possible pedophiles, to adopt children, and curse those children into this abomination of sodomy. Some Christians are projecting the rise of Sodomy out as a world problem but the spreaders and condoners of Sodomy are Chrstians and Christian nations. Ase.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by lolaibitoye(f): 10:25pm On Dec 26, 2016
sheyee:
Una don come again, is not compulsory u celebrate it, setting apart a day to celebrate Jesus i think is not a bad idea...abi e get anoda thing wey una dey celebrate again
Merry Christmas Nairalanders
oga God bless you for this. You just made perfect sense!!!
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:41pm On Dec 26, 2016
thorpido:
Overflogged topic. If you don't wish to celebrate Christmas, go and do your laundry. undecided
Thanks grin
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 10:45pm On Dec 26, 2016
You can choose to celebrate your birthday anyday. In fact as a Christian you celebrate your life everyday. That is being appreciative of God for your existence.
I can choose to celebrate my dead mum any time of the year. So it matters not if Jesus was born in December or October.
What matters is we are celebrating Him.
If I choose to throw a party for the birth of my daughter who was born on june 6th in December 25th that falls on same day the Osun river goddess is being celebrated does it me we are celebrating the same thing or person?
About the Sun god that is being celebrated on 25th of December. Tell me if on your birthday a god is not being celebrated somewhere in world.
So if you were born on the day they worship Ogun or Sango you must because of that shift your birthday?
or cancel the fact that u were born on that day?
No second, no minute, no hour that a god is not being celebrated somewhere.
I have chosen to celebrate my God on the 25th of December and it should be no one's headache.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by macof(m): 10:33am On Dec 27, 2016
chrisxxx:

What do u remember during Christmas? In case you don't know no other than birth of Christ. Let me help you as well, u have the choice of choosing on which day to celebrate your birthday. Christians choose 25th December to celebrate Christ.
Our big problem is that we have misplaced our priority. We major in the minor and vice versa.

and why are Christmas traditions identical to the tradition of the European pagans during the season?

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Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by rabzy: 10:05am On Dec 30, 2016
Hairyrapunzel:

Was wedding anniversary or baby shower or bridal shower or pinatas mentioned in the bible? But i know you celebrate it andthey all have pagan origin. It is what you make an event to and your motive behind the celebration.
Your explanation is based on fallacies. Do not cherry pick. Dont say you dont celebrate christmas cos of its pagan origin and celebrate the others with pagan origin. Take all or none
And mind you we dont worship christmas day we worship Jesus Christ. Christmas is an event that marks a savior was born. Its the savior we worship and not the day.

Please do tell how Wedding anniversary has pagan origin.

The first wedding was done by God himself and if someone chooses to remember and reflect on the day he was married, that is a personal matter.
An “anniversary” is ‘the annual recurrence of a date marking some event.’ It could be an anniversary of any event—the day you had an automobile accident, saw an eclipse of the moon which will be today, went swimming with your family, the day you got your car or moved into a house. So many events can be marked.

A wedding anniversary is not a religious event, it is a social event that originated in ancient times. There is no indication that it is rooted pagan religious rites.

For Christmas a group of people decided to choose a date that has nothing to do with Jesus, but has a lot to do with a pagan god, then uses the methods and rites of the pagan celebration to honour christ which was absolutely not necessary nor commanded. Jesus himself has told us what to do to remember him. Why should some people hundreds of years later re-brand a pagan celebration (NEPA - PHCN), then make it a paramount celebration.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 3:30pm On Dec 30, 2016
rabzy:


Please do tell how Wedding anniversary has pagan origin.

The first wedding was done by God himself and if someone chooses to remember and reflect on the day he was married, that is a personal matter.
An “anniversary” is ‘the annual recurrence of a date marking some event.’ It could be an anniversary of any event—the day you had an automobile accident, saw an eclipse of the moon which will be today, went swimming with your family, the day you got your car or moved into a house. So many events can be marked.

A wedding anniversary is not a religious event, it is a social event that originated in ancient times. There is no indication that it is rooted pagan religious rites.

For Christmas a group of people decided to choose a date that has nothing to do with Jesus, but has a lot to do with a pagan god, then uses the methods and rites of the pagan celebration to honour christ which was absolutely not necessary nor commanded. Jesus himself has told us what to do to remember him. Why should some people hundreds of years later re-brand a pagan celebration (NEPA - PHCN), then make it a paramount celebration.

A birthday is annual recurrence of an event (which is the birth of an individual) christians choose 25th December to mark the event ie birth of the savior Jesus christ and I think the celebration should be a personal matter.
So what is pagan about celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ?
And is it everything Jesus said you should do you do? Did Jesus say you should celebrate wedding anniversary, or baby shower or graduation parties?
It doesn't change the fact that they all have pagan origin.

A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues.” Awake! 2003 Sep 22 pp.23-24. It depends on how Christmas is now viewed.

The first life given was given by God himself and if someone chooses to reflect on the day he was born by marking it as his birthday it becomes a personal matter
If we decide to celebrate Christmas is because we love life and we love the fact that God sent his only Son to save us. If we decide to mark it annually its because we love him and we remember He was born
Luke 2:10-14 “But the angel said to them: “Have no fear, for, look! I am declaring to YOU good news of a great joy that all the people will have, because there was born to YOU today a Savior, who is Christ [the] Lord, in David’s city. And this is a sign for YOU: YOU will find an infant bound in cloth bands and lying in a manger.” And suddenly there came to be with the angel a multitude of the heavenly army, praising God and saying: “Glory in the heights above to God, and upon earth peace among men of goodwill
If an angel of the Lord and the heavenly host saw fit to sing songs of praise to God on that momentous occasion, then so should we!

On the night before his death, Jesus "took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them (his disciples) saying, 'This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19)
Mark 14 vs 12 -26, 1 Corinthians 11:23-26. I never read were the disciples were happy or angels joyfully glorified him like they did in luke 2 vs 10 - 12 when he died if there are passages I would love to know
Not so much a celebration, more of a solemn reminder of what our Lord and Saviour did for sinful humanity.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come …” (Colossians 2:16-17, King James Version)
If we decide to choose Dec 25th as our holy day who are you to judge or warn us?
And in the bible when did they use months January to December? Please passages
And if Dec 25th was used in celebration of pagan gods those days and now we are celebrating Jesus birth how is it pagan again?
Jesus is the ONLY reason for the season, and even though he wasn't born on 25 December, we should all give thanks to God for sending us his Son to redeem sinful humanity.

Don't give excuse for celebrating things with pagan origins. Most things in life have pagan origins yet we don't forbid them
And Jesus told people to commemorate his death he never told any body not to or to celebrate birth then I don't think he had any issue with it. If you do or do not celebrate it is your own personal matter
Abi you want to say your all knowing Jehovah forgot to put some things or inspire bible writers to put it down. If that is the case then you are saying God is not what he says he is. That is He is not omniscient. I think the bible is clear on things we should do and not do.
Then jehovah told you not to celebrate Christmas that has pagan origin and to celebrate wedding anniversary, baby showers, graduation parties that have pagan origins because they don't concern Jesus abi? Please I need the bible passages
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 1:15pm On Dec 31, 2016
Hairyrapunzel:

Was wedding anniversary or baby shower or bridal shower or pinatas mentioned in the bible? But i know you celebrate it andthey all have pagan origin. It is what you make an event to and your motive behind the celebration.
Your explanation is based on fallacies. Do not cherry pick. Dont say you dont celebrate christmas cos of its pagan origin and celebrate the others with pagan origin. Take all or non
And mind you we dont worship christmas day we worship Jesus Christ. Christas is an event that marks a savior was born. Its the savior we worship and not the day.
Why cherry pick. Hypocrite! listen to yourself: "we dont worship christmas day we worship Jesus Christ" Lair!
Will anyone worshiping the Savior get life eternal according to your own "broad road bible"?! Worshipers of creation why not worship the creator at Christmas!

Only stubborn apostate christians will make the statement "Christ(m)as is an event that marks a savior was born" As far as we know in theology Christmas as an event will NEVER mark the Savior's birth but a defeat of pure christian teachings, traditions, integrity and a reminder that the devil is like a virus and can often succeed in making material man bend away from commands of God.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Nobody: 1:25pm On Dec 31, 2016
chrisxxx:

What do u remember during Christmas? In case you don't know no other than birth of Christ. Let me help you as well, u have the choice of choosing on which day to celebrate your birthday. Christians choose 25th December to celebrate Christ.
Our big problem is that we have misplaced our priority. We major in the minor and vice versa.
You are right that one can choose whichever day to celebrate his birthday. Only some are saying when it comes to worship, Christians must be circumspect about what Jesus ask them to do and what NOT to do. Our priority should be first to OBEY God and Jesus and the angels and his prophets....

In 1931, the Coca Cola Corporation contracted the Swedish commercial artist Haddon Sundblom to create a coke-drinking Santa. Sundblom modeled his Santa on his friend Lou Prentice, chosen for his cheerful, chubby face. The corporation insisted that Santa’s fur-trimmed suit be bright, Coca Cola red. And Santa was born – a blend of Christian crusader, pagan god, and commercial idol.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by chrisxxx(m): 2:18pm On Dec 31, 2016
themall:
You are right that one can choose whichever day to celebrate his birthday. Only some are saying when it comes to worship, Christians must be circumspect about what Jesus ask them to do and what NOT to do. Our priority should be first to OBEY God and Jesus and the angels and his prophets....

In 1931, the Coca Cola Corporation contracted the Swedish commercial artist Haddon Sundblom to create a coke-drinking Santa. Sundblom modeled his Santa on his friend Lou Prentice, chosen for his cheerful, chubby face. The corporation insisted that Santa’s fur-trimmed suit be bright, Coca Cola red. And Santa was born – a blend of Christian crusader, pagan god, and commercial idol.
Thanks.
Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by Hairyrapunzel: 4:23pm On Dec 31, 2016
themall:
Why cherry pick. Hypocrite! listen to yourself: "we dont worship christmas day we worship Jesus Christ" Lair!
Will anyone worshiping the Savior get life eternal according to your own "broad road bible"?! Worshipers of creation why not worship the creator at Christmas!

Only stubborn apostate christians will make the statement "Christ(m)as is an event that marks a savior was born" As far as we know in theology Christmas as an event will NEVER mark the Savior's birth but a defeat of pure christian teachings, traditions, integrity and a reminder that the devil is like a virus and can often succeed in making material man bend away from commands of God.

We worship Jesus Christ not Christmas day. I worship Jesus everyday. Even on the Christmas day we still worship Him.
Heb 1:6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."
Philippians 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Matthew 14:33 And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!
Matthew 2:2Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship

Although there is no verse in the Bible that tells us to celebrate Jesus' birth, the gospel account of Luke informs us that an angel of the Lord, no less, announced the joyful news to the shepherds. "Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying 'Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favour rests.' "
If an angel of the Lord and the heavenly host saw fit to sing songs of praise to God on that momentous occasion, then so should we!
Jesus is the ONLY reason for the season, and even though he wasn't born on 25 December, we should all give thanks to God for sending us his Son to redeem sinful humanity.

We celebrate Christmas, new year, wedding anniversary, bridal shower, baby shower all have pagan origin. But you decide not to celebrate Christmas but celebrate others with pagan origin who is cherry picking?

Where in the bible did God or Jesus tell us not to celebrate Jesus birthday? If God or Jesus had a problem with it he would have put it down in the bible except you are saying jehovah is not all knowing or he can't even tell the future?

Don't say pure christian teachings it is your watchtower teaching because it is not mentioned in the bible.
You are the apostate you are doing and teaching what the bible did not mention.

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